Ched Evans to Oldham....

So what are peoples thoughts on this?, personally i am in the camp of he has served his time and so should be able to earn a living.

What would be interesting if it was a "Messi" standard of player seeking employment in Evans position, i have no doubt every top club i the world would be quick to give him another chance.

So what are peoples thoughts on this?, personally i am in the camp of he has served his time and so should be able to earn a living.

What would be interesting if it was a "Messi" standard of player seeking employment in Evans position, i have no doubt every top club i the world would be quick to give him another chance.

For League one standard sides Ched Evans is a Messi level player

To be honest I'm not sure, I get what you are saying that he has served his time but on the flip side he has shown no regret or made no apology.
I feel for the girl he raped, Evans isn't a supermarket worker who she never had to see again.. He's plastered all over the press and is going to be playing football again in the public eye, she can't get away from him.

I think if it was my daughter or sister

Plus football fans at times can be fucktards.. The way the Sheffield Utd fans sang for him when they thought he was coming back and chanted sh*t about the girl makes my skin crawl. Let alone the abuse they gave the likes of Jessica Ennis

I think he needs to show regret and say sorry before he gets anywhere near a new club

He's shown no remorse, for rape... A dirty horrible crime

He has served his sentence, he's suffered the punishment given to him by society and has completed his rehabilitation. So I am of the belief he deserves to be working after his prison sentence, and a job as a footballer should be seen as any other occupation.

I think Ched Evans has a right to work.

For League one standard sides Ched Evans is a Messi level player

To be honest I'm not sure, I get what you are saying that he has served his time but on the flip side he has shown no regret or made no apology.
I feel for the girl he raped, Evans isn't a supermarket worker who she never had to see again.. He's plastered all over the press and is going to be playing football again in the public eye, she can't get away from him.

I think if it was my daughter or sister

Plus football fans at times can be fucktards.. The way the Sheffield Utd fans sang for him when they thought he was coming back and chanted sh*t about the girl makes my skin crawl. Let alone the abuse they gave the likes of Jessica Ennis

I think he needs to show regret and say sorry before he gets anywhere near a new club

Agree completely re the actions of football fans, they are truly moronic at times.

I also cannot disagree with your views, as i know this is going to split people. I think this is a reason OLDHAMS sponsors didnt kick up much of a fuss as they are solicitors and have to back the criminal justice system.

Personally i would of waited until his case had been reviewed before making a comeback as it has been fast tracked.

Good signing for Oldham on the pitch. Bad signing off it, but that may fade away if he starts banging in the goals.

For League one standard sides Ched Evans is a Messi level player

To be honest I'm not sure, I get what you are saying that he has served his time but on the flip side he has shown no regret or made no apology.
I feel for the girl he raped, Evans isn't a supermarket worker who she never had to see again.. He's plastered all over the press and is going to be playing football again in the public eye, she can't get away from him.

I think if it was my daughter or sister

Plus football fans at times can be fucktards.. The way the Sheffield Utd fans sang for him when they thought he was coming back and chanted sh*t about the girl makes my skin crawl. Let alone the abuse they gave the likes of Jessica Ennis

I think he needs to show regret and say sorry before he gets anywhere near a new club

He's shown no remorse, for rape... A dirty horrible crime

What if he's innocent mate?

Anyway i heard they only did the deal since Oscar Pistorius refused to sign a contract with them.

Good signing for Oldham on the pitch. Bad signing off it, but that may fade away if he starts banging in the goals.

Banging in whatever that's a bad choice of words.
Wonder how the 19 year old girl he raped feels about his offence being regarded as dismissible.

What if he's innocent mate?

He was found guilty and his appeal was rejected due to lack of evidence to the contrary

I'm imagining there was enough evidence to convict and not grant an appeal



Like I say I'm not sure about him coming back, he should be able to earn a living yes, and maybe if he had shown remorse..

But in a sense it's no different to Hughes or Mcormack back in the game having killed people drink driving.. They came back even if morally it doesn't sit right that they are in the public eye while the families of those people, those children in McCormacks case have to try to rebuild their lives

I also cannot disagree with your views, as i know this is going to split people. I think this is a reason OLDHAMS sponsors didnt kick up much of a fuss as they are solicitors and have to back the criminal justice system.

Don't know where you have got that from because they have kicked up a fuss, one sponsor has already walked away and a few more are about to.

He's a convicted rapist and I think every fan has the right to kick off about whether their team is in talks to sign him or do sign him. I know I wouldn't want anyone like that anywhere near our club. Time served or not.

Don't know where you have got that from because they have kicked up a fuss, one sponsor has already walked away and a few more are about to.

He's a convicted rapist and I think every fan has the right to kick off about whether their team is in talks to sign him or do sign him. I know I wouldn't want anyone like that anywhere near our club. Time served or not.

Carter solicitors the kit sponsors came out and said they would continue with the club if he signed couple of days ago.

Think the whole thing has been handled badly myself. 

I know he's not apologised or expressed any remorse towards his victim, which he can't do because of the review as legally that would imply he's guilty, so keep out of the limelight until after the review and if he gets his wish for an appeal then he has the opportunity to prove his innocence.  If his appeal is upheld then he's free to get on with his life.

However he came out to a fanfare, then issues a statment on tv barely acknowledging the victim after he's had at least one review turned down due to lack of new evidence.

At this moment in time, he's a convicted rapist who is out on licence till he's served his sentence or new evidence is unearthed to allow a review and subsequent appeal.

Don't know where you have got that from because they have kicked up a fuss, one sponsor has already walked away and a few more are about to.

He's a convicted rapist and I think every fan has the right to kick off about whether their team is in talks to sign him or do sign him. I know I wouldn't want anyone like that anywhere near our club. Time served or not.

According to BBC report ''he is in the process of appealing the verdict''.
He has appealed and was subsequently jailed, he raped a girl and it could have been your daughter, sister or wife, would anyone be as detached in that case, would he deserve another chance?

Carter solicitors the kit sponsors came out and said they would continue with the club if he signed couple of days ago.

What?! Sports Direct are the main shirt sponsor mate and clubs do have more than one sponsor

"Oldham’s main sponsor is Sports Direct, whose chairman is the Newcastle United owner Mike Ashley, though the company has yet to comment on the issue."

Verlin Rainwater Solutions - "Craig Verlin, a director of Verlin Rainwater Solutions which sponsors a stand at Boundary Park, said in a statement: “After receiving the news regarding the imminent signing of Ched Evans it is with great regret that Verlin Rainwater Solutions will no longer be associated with Oldham Athletic."


Zen Office - "A statement from the company said: “This partnership has been based on mutual respect as OAFC did share the same values as ZenOffice, based on family and community.

“ZenOffice do not agree that the current path OAFC are embarking on espouses these values. Therefore it is with much regret that ZenOffice would like to confirm that we will end our association with Oldham Athletic Football Club if the move goes ahead to sign Ched Evans.”


Mecca Bingo - Mecca Bingo, another Oldham sponsor, threatened earlier in the week to withdraw its support. In a tweet Mecca Bingo said: “We can confirm [we] will be ending our association with @OfficialOAFC if they sign Ched Evans.”


This isn't a case of sponsors not "kicking up a fuss".

The club has many sponsors like you said, but if you believe the media they are "all" jumping ship which is the point i was making. This is not a thread for arguments but debate as like i said previous there are two very strong viewpoints.

As for the "if it was member of your family argument " of course anybodies stance would be different, and i would ask what would you feel if a member of your family was killed like Lee Hughes did drink driving? is that worse? You also state that you wouldnt like anyone like that at our club, again i cannot argue with this but did you complain when we signed Pennent? who but for luck could of killed someone like Hughes did!!

The club has many sponsors like you said, but if you believe the media they are "all" jumping ship which is the point i was making. This is not a thread for arguments but debate as like i said previous there are two very strong viewpoints.

As for the "if it was member of your family argument " of course anybodies stance would be different, and i would ask what would you feel if a member of your family was killed like Lee Hughes did drink driving? is that worse? You also state that you wouldnt like anyone like that at our club, again i cannot argue with this but did you complain when we signed Pennent? who but for luck could of killed someone like Hughes did!!

It's not a case of believing what the media says mate because they are quotes from the sponsors themselves.

I didn't say anything about the second part of your post so are you asking me or Stuey?

For what it's worth I wouldn't have had Lee Hughes at the club either and I was glad to see the back of Pennant too like.

If a club signs Evans then that's up to then but if it was down to me and a lot of other people, he wouldn't be signing for anyone.

Football seemingly has no shame when it comes to these sorry episodes. The whole footballing world seems to live in an alternative world from the rest of us, and the sports media are partly to blame also.

If a player has been done for racism (John Terry) or is involved in some tawdry sex scandal (Ryan Giggs, Rio Ferdinand) or convicted of GBH (Joey Barton), the sports media revel in trivialising it - a 40 yard screamer into the top right hand corner of the net is enough for the player to 'redeem' himself and thus saint-like status is reclaimed.

But forgetting the shoddy journalism for a minute, football squads need to take a long hard look at themselves and the culture that surrounds them. This macho, 'lad' culture that predominates football always steps into dangerous territory, creating a comfort zone where sexism is postively encouraged rather than scorned until it is taken too far when some innocent young girl is humiliated - or in this case - assaulted. And the worrying thing is - many of them can't see what they've done wrong, seeing no difference between what is seen as 'being a lad' and rape.

It looks likes Ched Evans is guilty of falling into this trap like so many others. People like Evans are part of the problem, and his actions are not just merely an isolated incident in football, but indicative of a wider problem in the sport.

Whether or not you think he was guilty is irrelevant - the bottom line is the courts found him guilty and, anyway, his treatment of the girl was disgraceful whether you think he was guilty or not. He hasn't shown remorse for his disgraceful actions anyhow and thinks he's done absolutely nothing wrong. The guy should never be allowed to play football again - it would at least send out a message as to how serious a problem this is, and for a start, might make other footballers consider their actions.

It's not a case of believing what the media says mate because they are quotes from the sponsors themselves.

I didn't say anything about the second part of your post so are you asking me or Stuey?

For what it's worth I wouldn't have had Lee Hughes at the club either and I was glad to see the back of Pennant too like.

If a club signs Evans then that's up to then but if it was down to me and a lot of other people, he wouldn't be signing for anyone.

Apologies as two replies merged into one re the Pennant issues.

For what its worth I agree with you but i am just a massive hypocrite as i believe in the criminal justice system as well, but i wouldnt have them anywhere near our club either., but again I would of forgiven Suarez "again" for yet another bite grrrrr sometimes its impossible to take a stance.

I think reddebs point is a good one like i said earlier i think he should of waited on the outcome of his legal challenge before he resumed his trade.

Apologies as two replies merged into one re the Pennant issues.

For what its worth I agree with you but i am just a massive hypocrite as i believe in the criminal justice system as well, but i wouldnt have them anywhere near our club either., but again I would of forgiven Suarez "again" for yet another bite grrrrr sometimes its impossible to take a stance.

I think reddebs point is a good one like i said earlier i think he should of waited on the outcome of his legal challenge before he resumed his trade.

No worries pal. In fairness, biting an opponent is no where near the level of rape or death due to drink driving.

And yeah, I'm surprised the FA would even let him join a club with that going on.

Banging in whatever that's a bad choice of words.
Wonder how the 19 year old girl he raped feels about his offence being regarded as dismissible.

I imagine she doesn't mate. Unfortunately it's the world we live in now I think.

Obviously I'm not saying I'm going to look at him and think anything other than rapist... However I'm certainly not wrong in saying there'll be plenty who think of his 'goal at the weekend' first.

The guy should never be allowed to play football again - it would at least send out a message as to how serious a problem this is, and for a start, might make other footballers consider their actions.

And where would you draw the line and who decides upon it?

Although some people may think he has been punished enough, I think that he should serve some sort of community service, to at least put something back into society. As a covicted rapist who has served half his sentence, he has to be made well aware of his wrong doing, rather than immediately left back into the public eye. Mind you this is only my view as a 60 year old.

Someone provide a breakdown of where he is at? He got released but he is appealing some decision? Ive only read loose bits of info.

Either way, if he is appealling some decision after jail time then he shouldnt really be in a position to walk in to employment i would think.

I think if it was my daughter or sister

I look at it from this perspective, and he is an absolute scum and vile. If I had it my way, I would have him serve a 20 year prison time in Brazil, Thailand or somewhere that's considered to have a brutal reputation for criminals.

However, as much as I dislike him, I believe he has the right to work in the field he specializes in, just hope he'll never be associated with us and will never be called up by Wales!

I imagine she doesn't mate. Unfortunately it's the world we live in now I think.

Obviously I'm not saying I'm going to look at him and think anything other than rapist... However I'm certainly not wrong in saying there'll be plenty who think of his 'goal at the weekend' first.

You're not wrong mate, there was an Oldham supporter on the TV and he was saying more or less 'what's the problem, he's served his time and he can do the business for us' - morons.

Have people seen the CCTV video on the Ched Evans website? I watch it earlier and it puts doubt onto some of her claims even though I still think she's telling the truth and that it wasn't consensual. She claimed she was too drunk to remember sleeping with either Ched Evans or Clayton McDonald yet she was sober enough to remember she had left her purse in the taxi, she was sober enough to remember she had left a pizza on the floor outside and she was sober enough to walk perfectly OK in quite high heels without swaying all over the place. You can't go from being too hammered to consent to sex one minute to then knowing full well that you didn't consent (if you get what I'm trying to say?) She seems a confused girl and that's understandable but I also think she's lucky in a way because some of the evidence appears to be inconclusive and on any other day the same decision may not have been made.

I also seriously don't understand how Clayton McDonald got away scot free yet Ched Evans got jail time - questioning why Clayton didn't get jail time rather than why Ched did. She said she didn't consent to sex with either of the two lads.

Personally, I hope he doesn't play professionally again because its sending out the wrong message to other players and also to people watching. Ched should have thought about what the consequences for his actions would be before he committed such a horrible act but obviously being a thick tw*t, he didn't. 

Remember Houllier almost signed that c**t of a man Lee Bowyer.

Ched Evans? Clear your name first then decide on your career.

I'm actually quite relieved to see some sensible comments here, comments elsewhere boil down to, "He's a scumbag rapist, bugger him with a spiked mace then burn him to death".

My view.
It's not for you, me or Oldham Athletic to judge whether he's guilty or innocent, that's been done by the courts, as it should be.

They said he's guilty and he was handed a sentence.

In this country, prison is not supposed to be purely a punishment but also a rehabilitation system.

Evans should have only been released if he's not considered to be a threat to anyone, i.e. he is rehabilitated.

To that ends, he should be free to seek employment and as a footballer, it makes sense that he would go back to that.

Oldham and Sheffield Utd before that are being attacked for not taking a moral stance but actually, by denying Evans work solely on the basis of his conviction, they would effectively be undermining the penal system in the UK.
So to that ends, I think Oldham are right to offer him work.

HOWEVER, given that he was found guilty of rape, my own personal view is that he should still be inside until way past his footballing years!

So in short, question the legal system here, not his potential new employers.

(Note that I don't know the ins and outs of the case... pun intended... so I'm making no comment as to whether I think he's guilty or innocent. As I said at the top that's not for me to decide).

Ched Evans may have "served his sentence" (you'll note he didn't have to serve the entirety of his 5-year sentence), but for the victim, she carries that rape with her the rest of her life.

Seems the deal is off now

I'm actually quite relieved to see some sensible comments here, comments elsewhere boil down to, "He's a scumbag rapist, bugger him with a spiked mace then burn him to death".

My view.
It's not for you, me or Oldham Athletic to judge whether he's guilty or innocent, that's been done by the courts, as it should be.

They said he's guilty and he was handed a sentence.

In this country, prison is not supposed to be purely a punishment but also a rehabilitation system.

Evans should have only been released if he's not considered to be a threat to anyone, i.e. he is rehabilitated.

To that ends, he should be free to seek employment and as a footballer, it makes sense that he would go back to that.

Oldham and Sheffield Utd before that are being attacked for not taking a moral stance but actually, by denying Evans work solely on the basis of his conviction, they would effectively be undermining the penal system in the UK.
So to that ends, I think Oldham are right to offer him work.

HOWEVER, given that he was found guilty of rape, my own personal view is that he should still be inside until way past his footballing years!

So in short, question the legal system here, not his potential new employers.

(Note that I don't know the ins and outs of the case... pun intended... so I'm making no comment as to whether I think he's guilty or innocent. As I said at the top that's not for me to decide).

I'm not too sure whether the football lifestyle and it's gruesome materialistic excess (which Evans took to the max) is the lifestyle by which rehabilitation should occur.

Just heard Gordon Taylor talking about ched Evans and the tw*t mentioned Hillsborough saying that we are finding out now that what was reported at the time was wrong, seriously don't know where to start,

Just heard Gordon Taylor talking about ched Evans and the tw*t mentioned Hillsborough saying that we are finding out now that what was reported at the time was wrong, seriously don't know where to start,

Thick tw*t.

Just heard Gordon Taylor talking about ched Evans and the tw*t mentioned Hillsborough saying that we are finding out now that what was reported at the time was wrong, seriously don't know where to start,

The guy is a monotone cock who has no place in any organisation.

What the pr**k was referring to is the legal challenge that's ongoing, but his mind was probably down the bookies hence why he came out with that sh*t.

Someone provide a breakdown of where he is at? He got released but he is appealing some decision? Ive only read loose bits of info.

Basically he is appealing that he was found guilty just to clear his name. Don't know why he is appealing it now though, surely he'd have appealed it when the guilty verdict was given...

F**k me that Gordon Taylor is symptomatic of the general F**k up that English football is. Simpering, bordering on pissing his pants pr**k.

Basically he is appealing that he was found guilty just to clear his name. Don't know why he is appealing it now though, surely he'd have appealed it when the guilty verdict was given...

So he got sentenced, served jail-time, and now he wants to appeal it for the sake of his name?

Looks like he hasn't learnt anything, just wants his name cleared so he can get back in to football.

Apparently, Oldham have said no to Ched Evans but he is taking it as a yes.

 

Apparently, Oldham have said no to Ched Evans but he is taking it as a yes.

 

he said he was the one who pulled out...

Taylor sorry for Evans comments

Gordon Taylor has apologised after comparing the Hillsborough tragedy to the Ched Evans rape case he said ''the last thing I wanted to do was upset anyone connected to the Hillsborough case''.
Taylor who made the comments in an interview with the BBC on Thursday went on to say ''Ched Evans is a totally different case, but he has belief in his innocence''.
Evans of course was convicted and jailed for rape in 2012.  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30740207

How is an individual with such flawed judgement allowed to hold public office??
Such are the tiers of misapprehension that riddle football from Sepp Blatter to this F***ing moron.

So he got sentenced, served jail-time, and now he wants to appeal it for the sake of his name?

Looks like he hasn't learnt anything, just wants his name cleared so he can get back in to football.

First of all there is a lot of confusion over this case. There is no doubt Ched Evans acted like an idiot but how can it be that one footballer had consensual sex with this woman then 5 minutes later it was rape when Ched Evans had sex with her, she can't remember having sex with either one btw? In any case even if it was rape the lad has served his time now, he's been rehabilitated, so why shouldn't he be allowed to return to his career, it seems grossly unfair to me.

Oh and Gordon Taylor is a complete and utter ass clown.

To be honest I'm not sure, I get what you are saying that he has served his time but on the flip side he has shown no regret or made no apology.I feel for the girl he raped, Evans isn't a supermarket worker who she never had to see again.. He's plastered all over the press and is going to be playing football again in the public eye, she can't get away from him.

Sorry to pick this part but, although totally different I know, remembering the Suarez and Evra affair kind of made me not just judge him because he was found guilty as silly as that may initially sound. Meaning I wanted to look into it from his point of view as the fact that he was showing no remorse and refusing to give up in trying to clear his name meant something to me. I just don't think this is the behaviour of somebody who has been rightfully convicted of rape.

I remember how Luis was attacked from all corners and labelled as this racist scum by people who refused to look into the facts of the report and ignored things like Evra and United admitting they didn't think he was a racist as it was just a lot easier to go with the flow (mob), alienate him and call him a racist and what have you.

It would be easy for people to call me this or that for writing this but at the early stages of looking into the incident and its undisputed facts I'm struggling to see how a girl who apparently couldn't remember a thing as she was so drunk walks into a hotel looking very in control of herself and comes out of it in the morning claiming that she was raped by two people.

Remember that one was acquitted and one convicted as well even though she couldn't remember a thing about being in the hotel. I really struggle to see how a jury managed to come to that decision.

There is also the receptionist at the hotel who listened at the door and heard the moans and groans of two men and one women having sex go on for an amount of time.

I smell a rat if I'm being honest and putting my thoughts on it out there.

So he got sentenced, served jail-time, and now he wants to appeal it for the sake of his name?

Looks like he hasn't learnt anything, just wants his name cleared so he can get back in to football.

You got it.

Basically he is appealing that he was found guilty just to clear his name. Don't know why he is appealing it now though, surely he'd have appealed it when the guilty verdict was given...

So he got sentenced, served jail-time, and now he wants to appeal it for the sake of his name?

Looks like he hasn't learnt anything, just wants his name cleared so he can get back in to football.

Not quite right boys. He has always insisted that he was innocent and has actively been trying to clear his name since the day he was arrested.

"In the eyes of the law the jury system is sacrosanct and once a conviction has been reached you need significant new evidence that was not available for the original trial, evidence that the defence team was negligent or that the judge misdirected the jury.  The new evidence we had which was essentially a further new witness statement and expert medical evidence, was discounted by the panel of three judges.  Whilst the judge in the trial when summing up introduced the theory that the complainant could have imbibed more alcohol after leaving the night club, it was only put forward as a theory and was not misdirection"

This come from his website and although is bound to be swaying towards him being innocent it does deal with facts. Again, whilst I despise rape obviously, it is important that people look at this from all angles especially when you look at the points made in the letter on the website from a girl who claims she was raped but her attacker got away with it:

Feedback That Everyone Should Read

We have received thousands of letters and feedback via the website some of which are extremely moving.  This is one we received week commencing 6 May.  We have received huge criticism of this website from some feminist groups and some groups who support rape victims, but from individuals, all of whom are women, a clear message that Ched’s conviction and the complainant’s actions demean and diminish the act of rape.

On our homepage, we state categorically our position on the act of rape and that this website is about a miscarriage of justice.  When we received this letter from Jane (name changed), we asked permission to publish it on the website which was instantly given.  We would like to publically thank her for her courage and support, we have already done this privately.

On a feminist website there is the claim that this letter is fabricated for our own purposes, for the avoidance of any doubt we have the original in our possession its genuineness can be verified.  We also have others of a similar nature.

 
I'm a female in my 20's who was raped at the age of 15 by a boy the same age as me. It was a very difficult time in my life as I was young and in the wrong place at the wrong time I guess. I still struggle with it to this day it's had a complete and utter effect on my life but I'm not "learning to live with it" I'm learning to deal with it. In July 2010 the scumbag that raped me walked free from court and our corrupted justice system, that's meant to be in place to protect the people of our country. I was a 17 year old girl asking my dad "why? Why didn't the jury believe me" the police who took 8 hours to come out to my house told me I could retrial but not for rape. Why retrial for half of what he had done?

 As a Charlton Athletic fan this was a massive story to come out to fans of football and at first I was in a situation of two sides as a victim myself I tried not to look into the story as I knew how it was going to affect me, until I saw this website I sat down and read through everything and I’ll say this now, this girl is the reason why me and plenty other girls who are VICTIMS don't get justice.

 I had a court case that had more evidence than you could chew, DNA etc. etc and still lost a case. Girls like this ruin lives, girls like this mess things up for girls like me, this justice system is corrupted.

Ched you need to fight this to the bare bones. This girls mind is screwed up and I hope she cannot sleep at night & I hope that soon enough this corrupted sickening justice system sees sense!

Keep your chin up. All the best. Jane.

http://www.chedevans.com/feedback

This nonsense that he has served his time and should be allowed to make a living. No he has not he has been released to serve his 5 year sentence on parole, he can be recalled back at any time.
Which company in the real world would employ a convict who is still serving his time?

Bottom line he was found guilty by a court of law and has shown not a ounce of remorse for what he has done. In fact he and his embarrassing band of supporters who have set up a website in his support should be ashamed for continuing to haunt this poor girl.

This nonsense that he has served his time and should be allowed to make a living. No he has not he has been released to serve his 5 year sentence on parole, he can be recalled back at any time.
Which company in the real world would employ a convict who is still serving his time?

Bottom line he was found guilty by a court of law and has shown not a ounce of remorse for what he has done. In fact he and his embarrassing band of supporters who have set up a website in his support should be ashamed for continuing to haunt this poor girl.

Well said HSc.

He can protest his conviction any day he wants but he still can't get it into his thick, misogynist skull that he took advantage of a highly inebriated woman who was most probably in no state to make a conscious decision or perhaps even know where she was.

As far as I'm concerned, Evans is guilty from the moment he saw that girl as a slab of meat. In the same way that John Terry, Ashley Cole and Wayne Rooney have done so in the past. This culture of misogyny in football is deeply toxic and the worst thing is that, for the latter three, they've been redeemed not because they

This sexist and deeply toxic 'lad culture' where it's deemed in many circles amongst males to be acceptable to act in the most degrading fashion to women just to impress their friends is only helped along by apologetic tone many fans and the media have towards their favourite footballers. Although never convicted for something as horrific as rape, the likes of your Wayne Rooney's, John Terrys and Ashley Coles always knew they could easily forget their immoral actions because the fans and the media would exonerate them because their 'great player' status or the support of a few thousand behind you wearing the same strip would help them along the way. Christ, it doesn't matter whether they re offend time and time again - they know they can easily forget it by scoring a 30 yard beauty or a goal line clearance in the dying seconds of a world cup or champions league match. Your Martin Samuels, Ollie Holts and Paddy Barclay tw*ts will hail them as heroes of our age, conveniently forgetting that as human beings they are utterly terrible role models who have treated women in appalling fashion.

This nonsense that he has served his time and should be allowed to make a living. No he has not he has been released to serve his 5 year sentence on parole, he can be recalled back at any time.
Which company in the real world would employ a convict who is still serving his time?

Bottom line he was found guilty by a court of law and has shown not a ounce of remorse for what he has done. In fact he and his embarrassing band of supporters who have set up a website in his support should be ashamed for continuing to haunt this poor girl.

Dont want to come across on the side of Evans here, because of a father of two young girls thats the last thing i want to do and not my intention. But i think people need to realise a few things in this case without making their own conclusions.

1. Yes he was found guilty. ( a jury found him guilty )

2. He appealed at the time ( the appeal was knocked back on the following grounds...... the judge was experienced, not the most convicing of arguments )

3. His friend was found not guilty even though the defendant claimed she did not consent to either ( thus the victimes evidence was the same for both men )

4. For some reason the judge said the jury should decide on the verdicts of each defendant seperatley. 

5. The jury irrespective of the evidence found Cheds mate to be more credible in the box than Ched, which means if you believe his defence if you nervous about speaking in public and the victim gives the same eveidence against both attackers a jury can convict you on this basis.

6. The evidence againt two men was the same, yet one was found guilty and was was not.

My opinions for what its worth both offenders should still be in prison now serving 5 years, as a believer of the criminal justice system if one was cleared both should be cleared. Bottom line Judge was out of touch and messed up, interested to see the outcome of the legal challenge.

Dont want to come across on the side of Evans here, because of a father of two young girls thats the last thing i want to do and not my intention. But i think people need to realise a few things in this case without making their own conclusions.

1. Yes he was found guilty. ( a jury found him guilty )

2. He appealed at the time ( the appeal was knocked back on the following grounds...... the judge was experienced, not the most convicing of arguments )

3. His friend was found not guilty even though the defendant claimed she did not consent to either ( thus the victimes evidence was the same for both men )

4. For some reason the judge said the jury should decide on the verdicts of each defendant seperatley. 

5. The jury irrespective of the evidence found Cheds mate to be more credible in the box than Ched, which means if you believe his defence if you nervous about speaking in public and the victim gives the same eveidence against both attackers a jury can convict you on this basis.

6. The evidence againt two men was the same, yet one was found guilty and was was not.

My opinions for what its worth both offenders should still be in prison now serving 5 years, as a believer of the criminal justice system if one was cleared both should be cleared. Bottom line Judge was out of touch and messed up, interested to see the outcome of the legal challenge.

We're you one of the jurors?

If the judge was that incompetent as you claim there would be a case for retrial, that's not going to happen.

What if he's innocent mate?

Anyway i heard they only did the deal since Oscar Pistorius refused to sign a contract with them.

what if he's not

In what way is this topic related to Liverpool? General football thread section maybe?
For what it's worth though, Rape is a really shitty crime, if he's guilty, he shouldn't be allowed to kick a ball professionally again.
If Mario got a ban for making a joke, what should a rapist get?

First of all there is a lot of confusion over this case. There is no doubt Ched Evans acted like an idiot but how can it be that one footballer had consensual sex with this woman then 5 minutes later it was rape when Ched Evans had sex with her, she can't remember having sex with either one btw? In any case even if it was rape the lad has served his time now, he's been rehabilitated, so why shouldn't he be allowed to return to his career, it seems grossly unfair to me.

Oh and Gordon Taylor is a complete and utter ass clown.

he hasn't served his time, he is out on licence, his mate sent him a text saying 'I've got a bird', he would have seen straight away the state she was in and should have walked away, his missus is the sort of women who need to sort themselves out, to portray the girl in the case as anything other than a victim is pathetic, yes we can argue about her behaviour but really. Evans moans about mob rule forgetting the fact his victim has supposedly had to change her identity 5 times, been outed on social media and had all sorts of threats

Why not give him the death penalty if he isn't allowed to do anything to earn a living ?

The prison serves also, besides the punishment, as a education facility, and one of it's purposes is reabilitating the individual and making it easy for him to integrate into society.

And also the rape case doesn't look straightforward, like all the rape cases when somebody forces a girld into sex, from what i understand the girl was drunk and he had sex with her.

Believe what you will, but Evans has apologised for "that night in Rhyll" to the woman. What I wonder is though, if maintaining your innocence, why apologise to someone who has sent you to prison for rape?

I know for a fact I wouldn't apologise. Ever.

Imo he is a liar.

Believe what you will, but Evans has apologised for "that night in Rhyll" to the woman. What I wonder is though, if maintaining your innocence, why apologise to someone who has sent you to prison for rape?

I know for a fact I wouldn't apologise. Ever.

Imo he is a liar.

This! Why apologise if there is nothing to apologise for.

So he got sentenced, served jail-time, and now he wants to appeal it for the sake of his name?

Looks like he hasn't learnt anything, just wants his name cleared so he can get back in to football.

Bang on the money this.

Have no respect for Ched, comes across as an absolute pr**k and he's a F***ing rapist too!

And also the rape case doesn't look straightforward, like all the rape cases when somebody forces a girld into sex, from what i understand the girl was drunk and he had sex with her.

You might want to read up on the case then fella.

She was having sex with someone else, Ched just fancied getting involved. The woman agreed to sleeping with the other fella, she didn't consent to Ched getting involved.

He's a F***ing wrong'un rapist!