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      Racism in the Premier League
      Feb 03, 2015 10:55:20 am
      Hi,
      I am an undergraduate student looking into football fans views of racism in football. I am trying to collect data via fan forums and would be very appreciative if you could spare a minute to complete a short anonymous survey.
      Many Thanks,
      http://www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/143952UQGFL
      LFC for life :)
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #1: Mar 23, 2015 02:00:59 am
      In stoppage time at the end of the first half, around 46:40, Sakho gets the ball and is dallying around with it, not quite sure what to do.  Then you can hear one of our supporters clear as day yell out "pass it, coon!"

      oh but it's only other clubs that have racist supporters, right? 

      This is what I was saying when that Chelsea fans in the tube story happened.  We will never get racism out of football if every club says "oh it's only other clubs that have racist supporters."

      there are racist supporters at every club.  Best way to deal with it is for each club to clean its own house instead of pointing the finger at other clubs.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #2: Mar 24, 2015 12:39:47 am
      wow.  One of our supporters yells out "pass it, coon!" to Sakho and no one cares.  interesting.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #3: Mar 24, 2015 03:50:23 am
      wow.  One of our supporters yells out "pass it, coon!" to Sakho and no one cares.  interesting.

      1 - You have posted no evidence, do so and then you may get a reaction as...
      2 - The only source at present is you and you're hardly reliable. 
      « Last Edit: Mar 24, 2015 04:03:20 am by Roddenberry »
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #4: Mar 24, 2015 08:35:17 am

      I'll get a video up it later today.

      Although I just said in my post the exact moment in the match when it happened, it wouldn't exactly be hard to look it up on your own.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #5: Mar 24, 2015 08:50:42 am
      Shocking if true

      1. That one of our own fans would treat a black player in such a way
      2. No one around the idiot didnt do him

      Because of 2 I find it hard to believe.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #6: Mar 24, 2015 11:21:32 am
      wow.  One of our supporters yells out "pass it, coon!" to Sakho and no one cares.  interesting.

      As others have said Fed we only have your word for it.

      Having said that I do agree with you that we more than likely have racist supporters. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a little blinkered.
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      Reply #7: Mar 24, 2015 11:54:35 am
      1 - You have posted no evidence, do so and then you may get a reaction as...
      2 - The only source at present is you and you're hardly reliable. 

      The assertion without a 100% credible back up is worse than disgraceful.
      If proof of the racist filth is forthcoming the culprit should be identified and banned.
      If none transpires the same should apply to the mischief maker.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #8: Mar 24, 2015 12:29:45 pm
      As others have said Fed we only have your word for it.

      Having said that I do agree with you that we more than likely have racist supporters. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a little blinkered.

      Truth right there mate.

      The assertion without a 100% credible back up is worse than disgraceful.
      If proof of the racist filth is forthcoming the culprit should be identified and banned.
      If none transpires the same should apply to the mischief maker.

      This forum would be a very dull place if you ever become a Moderator, calling for bans is very undemocratic & infringing on Fed's right to freedom of speech  >:D
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #9: Mar 24, 2015 12:31:31 pm
      While Fed hasn't provided any evidence, so far, does anyone really think that such things would never be shouted out in the crowd at Anfield?
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      Reply #10: Mar 24, 2015 12:47:11 pm
      While Fed hasn't provided any evidence, so far, does anyone really think that such things would never be shouted out in the crowd at Anfield?

      Can't remember the game but I'm sure one of our own was making monkey gestures to a Manc player on loan at this particular club we were playing.

      Given an opportunity it would continue, of that I have no doubt.
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      Reply #11: Mar 24, 2015 12:52:15 pm
      While Fed hasn't provided any evidence, so far, does anyone really think that such things would never be shouted out in the crowd at Anfield?
      Football is a microcosm of society in general.

      As such; there is every chance that racists exist in our numbers just as there's every chance that we have radicalised Muslims in our number. Why would anyone be surprised if there are?

      I'm still not sure how any of this is either news or being worthy of much discussion. All right thinking people know racism is not tolerable: is there much else to say?
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #12: Mar 24, 2015 12:56:59 pm
      Football is a microcosm of society in general.

      As such; there is every chance that racists exist in our numbers just as there's every chance that we have radicalised Muslims in our number. Why would anyone be surprised if there are?

      I'm still not sure how any of this is either news or being worthy of much discussion. All right thinking people know racism is not tolerable: is there much else to say?


      What a f**king cheap shot with the Muslim reference, you could also add Rapist, murderers, Paedophiles etc etc to our support base.

      I would be embarrassed yer tw*t.
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      Reply #13: Mar 24, 2015 01:06:29 pm
      What a f**king cheap shot with the Muslim reference, you could also add Rapist, murderers, Paedophiles etc etc to our support base.

      I would be embarrassed yer tw*t.
      Like I said;  a "microcosm" of society. Am I wrong?  :confused-smiley-013:

      If it helps your 'pain'... as a microcosm of society - there are also bound to be white Christian paedophiles in our ranks too.

      Why would news that there are racists (black and white) in our ranks come as a surprise?



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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #14: Mar 24, 2015 01:08:13 pm
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      Football is a microcosm of society in general.

      Ain't that the truth.

      When I go down the pub nowadays to socialise and have a chat (as ya do) albeit it not with the professors and doctorates of this world  :D I sit round a table and find most folk with their heads down in their phones all night looking up sh*t on Google or whatever. Not too dissimilar to Anfield by the looks.

      At least us Luddites can hold a conversation, and sing a song or two...
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #15: Mar 24, 2015 05:46:51 pm

      This forum would be a very dull place if you ever become a Moderator, calling for bans is very undemocratic & infringing on Fed's right to freedom of speech  >:D


      If the accuser has no evidence his motives are up for scrutiny.
      If the evidence is produced and the culprit ID'd he would be the subject of disciplinary measures by either the club or the authorities.
       
      Where do you get off with the personal remarks?
      The facts are as they are as explained above; alleged racist language cannot be tolerated much less somebody using the allegation for ulterior motives.
       
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      Reply #16: Mar 24, 2015 05:58:36 pm
      If the accuser has no evidence his motives are up for scrutiny.
      If the evidence is produced and the culprit ID'd he would be the subject of disciplinary measures by either the club or the authorities.
       
      Where do you get off with the personal remarks?
      The facts are as they are as explained above; alleged racist language cannot be tolerated much less somebody using the allegation for ulterior motives.
       


      I'm very surprised it hasn't come out on other media sources, considering the hot button subject it has been, of late.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #17: Mar 24, 2015 06:01:08 pm
      I'm very surprised it hasn't come out on other media sources, considering the hot button subject it has been, of late.

      You'd have thought so mate.  Not seen or heard a mention of it either online or tv, not that that means it didn't happen but I'd find it strange that nobody else seems to have picked up on it.
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      Reply #18: Mar 24, 2015 06:34:21 pm
      You'd have thought so mate.  Not seen or heard a mention of it either online or tv, not that that means it didn't happen but I'd find it strange that nobody else seems to have picked up on it.

      Rest assured mate if there was any meat on the bones of this the shitehawks would be all over it.
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      Reply #19: Mar 24, 2015 06:53:38 pm
      Rest assured mate if there was any meat on the bones of this the shitehawks would be all over it.

      Naturally they would mate and quite rightly so.
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      Reply #20: Mar 24, 2015 07:00:39 pm
      If the accuser has no evidence his motives are up for scrutiny.
      If the evidence is produced and the culprit ID'd he would be the subject of disciplinary measures by either the club or the authorities.
       
      Where do you get off with the personal remarks?
      The facts are as they are as explained above; alleged racist language cannot be tolerated much less somebody using the allegation for ulterior motives.

      To be fair federer is a pedantic pain in the arse but he always backs up his views etc so I hope he can post the video.
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      Reply #21: Mar 24, 2015 07:18:23 pm
      To be fair federer is a pedantic pain in the arse but he always backs up his views etc so I hope he can post the video.

      Entirely agree, for everyone concerned.
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      Reply #22: Mar 24, 2015 07:35:09 pm
      Not to throw a firecracker into the mix but I was listening to City Talk this morning and Neil Atkinson (The Anfield Wrap) inferred to racism at Anfield and he was talking about the match on Sunday. Obviously he never went into detail but the lad sits on The Kop and said he's disappointed at the inability of some supporters to support the team through thick and thin and some of the vitriol he hears is unacceptable.

      As for none of the rags/sly sports reporting anything, they also didn't report the munters singing 'always the victims' and 'justice for the 39' amongst other sh*te they decided to bile onto the pitch.
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      Reply #23: Mar 24, 2015 08:15:57 pm
      In stoppage time at the end of the first half, around 46:40, Sakho gets the ball and is dallying around with it, not quite sure what to do.  Then you can hear one of our supporters clear as day yell out "pass it, coon!"

      oh but it's only other clubs that have racist supporters, right? 

      This is what I was saying when that Chelsea fans in the tube story happened.  We will never get racism out of football if every club says "oh it's only other clubs that have racist supporters."

      there are racist supporters at every club.  Best way to deal with it is for each club to clean its own house instead of pointing the finger at other clubs.

      You are a Chelsea fan so why do you stalk these pages? You've admitted that the only Liverpool game you've seen is at Stamford Bridge, no doubt because you've got a season ticket there. Quite why no one else has woken up to your Chavved up nature on this forum is beyond me. All the clues have been there.

      You're a terrible terrible troll. You really are. Begone you rent boy supporting, flag waving loon!
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      Reply #24: Mar 24, 2015 10:11:33 pm
      Not to throw a firecracker into the mix but I was listening to City Talk this morning and Neil Atkinson (The Anfield Wrap) inferred to racism at Anfield and he was talking about the match on Sunday.

      He and Jay McKenna, I think it was, also skirted around this on one of the latest podcasts after the game as well.
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      Reply #25: Mar 25, 2015 12:56:11 pm
      He and Jay McKenna, I think it was, also skirted around this on one of the latest podcasts after the game as well.


      I don't get why everyone gets so offended when someone parps up with a racist comment. We have a huge society with everyone getting told what to do and say all the f**king time so it's completely natural in a volatile situation for the worst to come out of people and for them to rail against those that say don't.

      Racism, homophobia etc have been around for millennia and everyone clasps their hands to their mouths when someone dares an utterance that doesn't fit into today's societies values.

      Changing attitudes doesn't take weeks it takes generations. I'm doing my bit with my girls and the more that do the faster it'll happen, at least have the patience to let it happen.
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      Reply #26: Mar 25, 2015 01:28:34 pm
      I don't get why everyone gets so offended when someone parps up with a racist comment. We have a huge society with everyone getting told what to do and say all the f**king time so it's completely natural in a volatile situation for the worst to come out of people and for them to rail against those that say don't.

      Racism, homophobia etc have been around for millennia and everyone clasps their hands to their mouths when someone dares an utterance that doesn't fit into today's societies values.

      Changing attitudes doesn't take weeks it takes generations. I'm doing my bit with my girls and the more that do the faster it'll happen, at least have the patience to let it happen.

      Also a huge difference between a heat of the moment racist comment and being racist.  If I called someone a black c**t, I wouldn't be being racist, the insult is the c**t part, much like I called a mate of mine a slaphead c**t the other night, during an argument.  Same goes for big nose, ginger, fat, skinny, big ears etc.  Huge difference between calling some a c**t because he's black or calling someone black a c**t and whilst we continue along the lines of not being able to mention creed and colour, we'll have race issues.  I'm not saying racism is right, it's abhorrent, just that sometimes, a comment deemed as racist, isn't.
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      Reply #27: Mar 25, 2015 01:48:38 pm
      Also a huge difference between a heat of the moment racist comment and being racist.  If I called someone a black c**t, I wouldn't be being racist, the insult is the c**t part, much like I called a mate of mine a slaphead c**t the other night, during an argument.  Same goes for big nose, ginger, fat, skinny, big ears etc.  Huge difference between calling some a c**t because he's black or calling someone black a c**t and whilst we continue along the lines of not being able to mention creed and colour, we'll have race issues.  I'm not saying racism is right, it's abhorrent, just that sometimes, a comment deemed as racist, isn't.

      So, was the bloke behind me in the pub racist when he (repeatedly) called Balotelli a "f**king useless monkey".?
      Because if he wasn't I probably shouldn't have had a pop at him  :laugh:
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      Reply #28: Mar 25, 2015 02:42:02 pm
      So, was the bloke behind me in the pub racist when he (repeatedly) called Balotelli a "f**king useless monkey".?
      Because if he wasn't I probably shouldn't have had a pop at him  :laugh:

      Didn't think I'd need to explain this to you, Swab, Monkey is a racist slur, black isn't, apart from chimp & monkey I went to school with, both white, but could have been extras in The Planet Of The Apes without make up.
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      Reply #29: Mar 25, 2015 03:22:33 pm
      Didn't think I'd need to explain this to you, Swab, Monkey is a racist slur, black isn't, apart from chimp & monkey I went to school with, both white, but could have been extras in The Planet Of The Apes without make up.

      I was being facetious mate.
      On a more serious note, the bloke did a runner after someone told him to shut up or get filled in (not me), but I was surprised he thought he could get away with it.
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      Reply #30: Mar 25, 2015 04:39:20 pm
      I was being facetious mate.
      On a more serious note, the bloke did a runner after someone told him to shut up or get filled in (not me), but I was surprised he thought he could get away with it.


      We need to invent facetious & sarcastic smilies.
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      Reply #31: Mar 26, 2015 05:34:26 pm
      Racism in football? I blame the Black Irish Muslims!  :f_whistle:
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      Reply #32: Mar 26, 2015 09:37:24 pm
      Where's that shameless Chelsea fan federer? Gone quiet has he...
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      Reply #33: Mar 27, 2015 05:10:07 am
      You are a Chelsea fan so why do you stalk these pages?  You're a terrible terrible troll. You really are. Begone you rent boy supporting, flag waving loon!

      you're a bit of an odd one aren't you.  Why does it bother you so much that some people might, just might, not think exactly the way you do?  yes, it's true, I don't rate all of our players.  Yes, it's true, I don't like Rodgers---I don't like how he treated Pepe and Agger, I don't like how he throws players under the bus etc etc.  It is what it is.  But you think unless someone is a carbon copy of you, they must be given labels and called "trolls" etc.  it's a very limited way of approaching the world.  You can disagree with me on issues, but I don't see why you feel the need to ostracize people so aggressively just because they have a different viewpoint from you.

      As I have said before, I grew up in Kent without a lot of money, and with a father who had a disability.  That meant that going to the football was a very rare event full stop, let alone being able to go up to Merseyside just to see a match.  Now that I'm an adult I've been based abroad for several years now, first in Mexico then in the States, so I have even less access to our games.  The last time I was in London and able to see one of our games, it was at Chelsea.   and I went.  And from that, you somehow come to the conclusion that I am a Chelsea supporter?  that's quite a big leap!

      you should go read Edward Said's "Orientalism," it's a seminal work and you in fact are a perfect example of one of the archetypes Said talks about in creating and referring to the "Other."
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #34: Mar 27, 2015 05:28:42 am
      1 - You have posted no evidence, do so and then you may get a reaction as...
      The assertion without a 100% credible back up is worse than disgraceful.
      Eh?  why do you act as if I am the sole owner of the "evidence"?  do you not record our games?  you could easily go back and watch the moment again.  If you don't record them, there are similar options---i.e., you are on this forum; that means you have internet access.  If you have internet access, all you have to do is Google "Liverpool/Manchester United full match" and you would have plenty of options to watch the match again, immediately.  I even did the hard work for you of pointing out the exact time when it happens, around 46:40 in the first half.  The evidence is about two clicks away from you.

      But, apparently it's much easier to write a post than just do a quick Google search, and you refuse to look for yourself, so I went ahead and came up with the video.

      Here it is.  Around 46:40 Coutinho gives the ball to Sakho.  He dallies around, there's no pass on, and at 46:45 you clearly hear "pass it, coon!"   The video---

      http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2kqg5i_race_news

      Google Drive option also here:

      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4DEaeW2IzMgX2E0Q0tkRUd5NXc/view?pli=1
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #35: Mar 27, 2015 07:18:31 am
      Not clear to me at all, could have been pass it you or more likely pass it Cou ie pass it to Coutinho.
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      Reply #36: Mar 27, 2015 07:31:19 am
      Not clear to me at all, could have been pass it you or more likely pass it Cou ie pass it to Coutinho.

      riiiiight....  I'm sure that's exactly what it was.... "pass it Cou..."

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      Reply #37: Mar 27, 2015 07:49:22 am
      riiiiight....  I'm sure that's exactly what it was.... "pass it Cou..."



      I assume like me your not an audiology expert in which case my assumption is just as likely as yours.

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      Reply #38: Mar 27, 2015 07:56:25 am
      I assume like me your not an audiology expert in which case my assumption is just as likely as yours.

      Sorry but no.  You don't need to be an expert to know what is being said.  "Pass it coon" is clear as day.  Had he said "Pass it (to) Cou(tinho)", maybe that would have made sense, at a stretch. 

      On top of that the way he yells suggests he is annoyed, understandably since we were down and the mancs were controlling the game.  Sakho was also doing nothing and looking like a deer in the headlights.  Oh and there's the small fact that Sakho happens to be black.   Oh and as previously mentioned in the thread there were racist comments made by our supporters during the match as well.  as if it weren't clear enough from the audio, the comment checks off all the contextual boxes.  Do I really need to spell this out?

      anyway, this is all so ridiculous.  "Their racists are terrible! but ours?  oh he probably meant to say something else..."

      we need to just work on getting stuff like this out.  full stop.  we clean up our club, everyone else cleans up their own club, and that's the way.  When we all point fingers at each other and say "we don't have any racists, but you do!"---nothing gets done. 
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #39: Mar 27, 2015 09:25:23 am
      Eh?  why do you act as if I am the sole owner of the "evidence"?  do you not record our games?  you could easily go back and watch the moment again.  If you don't record them, there are similar options---i.e., you are on this forum; that means you have internet access.  If you have internet access, all you have to do is Google "Liverpool/Manchester United full match" and you would have plenty of options to watch the match again, immediately.  I even did the hard work for you of pointing out the exact time when it happens, around 46:40 in the first half.  The evidence is about two clicks away from you.

      But, apparently it's much easier to write a post than just do a quick Google search, and you refuse to look for yourself, so I went ahead and came up with the video.

      Here it is.  Around 46:40 Coutinho gives the ball to Sakho.  He dallies around, there's no pass on, and at 46:45 you clearly hear "pass it, coon!"   The video---

      http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2kqg5i_race_news

      Google Drive option also here:

      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4DEaeW2IzMgX2E0Q0tkRUd5NXc/view?pli=1

      What exactly are you waffling about?
      I asked for evidence one way or the other and made reference to your penchant for using personal comment.
      You provide a link and cannot help but add comment completely without context.
      Too much time on your hands lad.
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      Reply #40: Mar 27, 2015 11:00:29 am
      how does federer have 237 upvotes? what the hell? surely they're requests for him to be banned?
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      Reply #41: Mar 27, 2015 11:04:00 am
      how does federer have 237 upvotes? what the hell? surely they're requests for him to be banned?

      He does post a few pearls of wisdom from time to time among the other nonsense.

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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #42: Mar 27, 2015 11:13:33 am
      Just watched the video clip, make of it what you will? ( coon? ) I thought he shouted pass it through!
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      Reply #43: Mar 27, 2015 12:01:02 pm
      All this over some audio that sounds different depending on the listener?

      This honky's outta here.

       :f_run:
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      Reply #44: Mar 27, 2015 12:56:25 pm
      Eh?  why do you act as if I am the sole owner of the "evidence"?



      You posted the accusation ya muppet, therefore it's your job to supply the evidence.  Having listened, I know Brummies drop aitches from the beginning of words, was unaware of Scousers dropping n's from the end of words.  It's inconclusive at best, especially as the scouse accent has a predilection for pronouncing the last syllable of a word harder, especially when preceded by a double vowel.  After several listens, I'm still hearing a couple of things though, it's either pass (it) 't t' (to) Cou or pass it through.  Got a Chelsea fan here to listen to it to, he thought it was pass it through first time, still thinks it is after another listen, when I asked if he thought it could be coon, he just went 'f**k no'.

      Not saying we don't have racist fans, just saying, on this evidence, you've failed to make your point.
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      Reply #45: Mar 27, 2015 12:57:26 pm
      In stoppage time at the end of the first half, around 46:40, Sakho gets the ball and is dallying around with it, not quite sure what to do.  Then you can hear one of our supporters clear as day yell out "pass it, coon!"

      oh but it's only other clubs that have racist supporters, right? 

      This is what I was saying when that Chelsea fans in the tube story happened.  We will never get racism out of football if every club says "oh it's only other clubs that have racist supporters."

      there are racist supporters at every club.  Best way to deal with it is for each club to clean its own house instead of pointing the finger at other clubs.

      Not even close to what the problem was in the 80s, mass chanting, NF calling-cards, NF trying to recruit from the terraces.

      Personally don't think the supposed 'problem' is anywhere near as bad as what it was. And if what we're down to is individual shouts, then I think we're doing very well as a sport.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #46: Mar 27, 2015 01:43:28 pm
      'Pass it soon' or 'pass it through' is what I make of it.

      No racial content to it.

      Sometimes you hear what you want to hear.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #47: Mar 27, 2015 02:43:13 pm


      Sometimes you hear what you want to hear.

      Do you have to bring the Zionists into every thread Shabs?  ;)
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      Reply #48: Mar 27, 2015 03:52:04 pm
      Honky's back.

      Maybe it was a Scottish fan saying "pass it doon".

      Or

      Because Sakho looks like one, " pass it loon".

      Or

      Possibly it was "if you see that federer off Reds give him a kick up the arse....soon".

      Interpretation, mental.

       :P
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      Reply #49: Mar 27, 2015 05:43:29 pm
      Definitely sounds like ''pass it Cou!'' to me, which is consistent with the fact that Coutinho is right next to Sakho and available for the pass. At best, it's open to a range of reasonable interpretations, so I don't think fed has any point.
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      Reply #50: Mar 27, 2015 05:53:53 pm
      Can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I have heard that disgusting term in Liverpool in the last 10 years.
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      Reply #51: Mar 27, 2015 07:57:18 pm
      Can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I have heard that disgusting term in Liverpool in the last 10 years.

      About right that Stu, it's a proper old skool slur.
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      Reply #52: Mar 27, 2015 10:45:22 pm
      One person shouts "pass it" and then somebody else, possibly even from the bench, shouts "Cou".

      There would be gasps if somebody shouted that and I've never heard anything of the like when I've been there. I'm sorry but I'm not having somebody telling everyone how racist it is at Anfield and then in the next breath telling us all how he has never been there and that he is from nowhere near the area.

      There will be racist people in a group of 45,000 no matter where you put that many together. There will also be somebody with a 12 inch cock on flop but that doesn't mean he's going to be getting it out and swinging it around his head.
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      Reply #53: Mar 27, 2015 10:52:18 pm
      One person shouts "pass it" and then somebody else, possibly even from the bench, shouts "Cou".

      Listened to it some more, you're right, it's two voices, making Federer looking like an even bigger muppet than I already thought.
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      Reply #54: Mar 27, 2015 11:32:28 pm
      Listened to it some more, you're right, it's two voices, making Federer looking like an even bigger muppet than I already thought.

      It's almost a scandal that his name should be associated with a legend of tennis. It really doesn't sit right.

      How about one of the mod's change his name to Barry Cowan?
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      Reply #55: Jul 18, 2015 03:26:17 pm
      Not the Premier League but Frimpong has just been sent off in Russia because he gave the finger to fans who were monkey chanting him. More shameful antics from Russia, can't believe the referee allowed the game to go on never mind sending Frimpong off for a perfectly justified and human reaction. He and the Russian fans should be ashamed of themselves. How can FIFA allow this to go on? And we're meant to have the next world cup there! God help us.
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      Reply #56: Jul 22, 2015 05:29:43 pm
      Not the Premier League but Frimpong has just been sent off in Russia because he gave the finger to fans who were monkey chanting him. More shameful antics from Russia, can't believe the referee allowed the game to go on never mind sending Frimpong off for a perfectly justified and human reaction. He and the Russian fans should be ashamed of themselves. How can FIFA allow this to go on? And we're meant to have the next world cup there! God help us.
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      Reply #57: Jul 22, 2015 05:55:40 pm
      Here's my interpretation (not that anyone cares):

      Listened to a few times and really, I wish I could have listened to it without knowing what I was listening for. In other words...had someone just said "Hey, listen to this and tell me what you hear", I don't know if I'd have heard "c**n".

      As it is, it did sort of sound like that to me but even so, here would be my questions:

      1)How/why would someone be so bold as to yell something like that at a point in the game when the stadium was so quiet? I mean would have to be a real mental giant to be so bold or so dumb.

      2)How do we know what section it had come from? Say for a minute it was "c**n".....do we know it wasn't said by one of the other team's supporters?
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #58: Jul 22, 2015 09:01:26 pm
      Not the Premier League but Frimpong has just been sent off in Russia because he gave the finger to fans who were monkey chanting him. More shameful antics from Russia, can't believe the referee allowed the game to go on never mind sending Frimpong off for a perfectly justified and human reaction. He and the Russian fans should be ashamed of themselves. How can FIFA allow this to go on? And we're meant to have the next world cup there! God help us.

      Time after time it happens in Russia, the country is a confirmed fascist state and the authorities(?) do nothing to dispel the assertion.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #59: Jul 23, 2015 03:14:23 am
      5 year ban for racist Chelsea fans in the Paris metro incident.

      Disgusting punishment. Nothing surprising though considering its Chelsea.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #60: Nov 10, 2015 09:24:07 pm
      Disheartening day for black coaches, says Troy Townsend

      The sackings of Chris Powell and Chris Ramsey were "disheartening", says anti-racism campaigner Troy Townsend.
      Powell departed Huddersfield and Ramsey left QPR to leave four bosses of black and minority ethnic (BME) and Asian backgrounds in the top four leagues.
      "To lose both managers sends out a really strong message to those aspiring to get on this journey," said Townsend.
      But former Chelsea defender Frank Sinclair disagreed and called Townsend's claims "damaging".
      Last week the Football Association's newly appointed BME boss Wayne Allison said he wanted to increase the number of black coaches.
      But the sackings of both Powell and Ramsey within the space of a few hours on Tuesday left numbers at a low and could discourage black coaches, according to Townsend.
      "People will look and think 'Is it worth it? Is it because of the colour of their skin? Or is it because they are bad managers?," Townsend told BBC Radio 5 live.
      "I know people will say results are not right but there is a lot more to it than that.
      "Today is disheartening without a doubt."

      Chris Hughton (Brighton), Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink (Burton Albion), Keith Curle (Carlisle) and Ricardo Moniz (Notts County) are now the only managers from BME backgrounds in the Football League after Wednesday's sackings.
      Townsend - education and development manager at Kick It Out,  as well as the father of Tottenham winger Andros - said the loss of both Powell and Ramsey from the Championship sides was "a really disappointing day for BME people who are looking to be part of the game at the highest level".
      He told BBC Radio 5 live: "We are talking about the under-representation of black managers in the English game.
      "We have 25% BME players in this country. There are less than 4% in terms of major coaching roles. The stats don't stack up."
      'Totally out of order'

      Sinclair was recently coaching Brackley Town in the National League North and says he "totally disagrees" with Townsend's claims.
      The 43-year-old says that he has twice recently come close to a job and believes there are opportunities for black coaches in England.
      "They [Powell and Ramsey] are both terrific lads who have given me advice in the past, and you're disappointed that they lost their jobs, but you've got to be realistic," he told BBC Radio Northampton.
      "To make a statement that more or less says 'is it because of their colour that they've been sacked?' is something that I had to make a response to because I totally disagree.

      "It can be damaging. I don't question a chairman's integrity.
      "I've been very close to getting a couple of jobs recently, and out of 35-40 applicants, I've got to the final two twice. There's encouragement that if I keep doing the right things, then I'll get the opportunity to manage at the level that I want to.
      "[Townsend's comments] are damaging. People could read that and think: 'If I take on a black manager is he going to turn around if it doesn't go well and say 'the reason I got sacked is because of the colour of my skin'?
      "That is out of order and you can't have statements made like that."
      Huddersfield said that the dismissal of Powell "signals a change of direction by the club and a new approach", while QPR director of football Les Ferdinand said that replacing Ramsey was in the "best interests of the club".

      Huddesfield have won 3 games all season and sit 19th in the league. Manager deserved to be sacked.
      QPR sit 13th and have the squad to be winning that league. Manager deserved to be sacked.

      Absolutely shameful comments from Troy Townsend who needlessly plays the race card time and time again. How is it 'disheartening' to see this happen how on earth can he claim this is due to the colour of their skin and ignore the poor results on the pitch. Managers are judged on performance and not by ethnicity. Both were not performing, both deserved the sack.

      I would wholeheartedly hope Kick It Out remove Townsend from his post as development manager, he is crying wolf and totally out of order. No one in his position should be making such radical claims. Lets kick racism out of football when we see it, not go calling any decisions made against non-white players or managers racist every time they happen.
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      Reply #61: Nov 10, 2015 09:30:47 pm
      Disheartening day for black coaches, says Troy Townsend

      The sackings of Chris Powell and Chris Ramsey were "disheartening", says anti-racism campaigner Troy Townsend.
      Powell departed Huddersfield and Ramsey left QPR to leave four bosses of black and minority ethnic (BME) and Asian backgrounds in the top four leagues.
      "To lose both managers sends out a really strong message to those aspiring to get on this journey," said Townsend.
      But former Chelsea defender Frank Sinclair disagreed and called Townsend's claims "damaging".
      Last week the Football Association's newly appointed BME boss Wayne Allison said he wanted to increase the number of black coaches.
      But the sackings of both Powell and Ramsey within the space of a few hours on Tuesday left numbers at a low and could discourage black coaches, according to Townsend.
      "People will look and think 'Is it worth it? Is it because of the colour of their skin? Or is it because they are bad managers?," Townsend told BBC Radio 5 live.
      "I know people will say results are not right but there is a lot more to it than that.
      "Today is disheartening without a doubt."

      Chris Hughton (Brighton), Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink (Burton Albion), Keith Curle (Carlisle) and Ricardo Moniz (Notts County) are now the only managers from BME backgrounds in the Football League after Wednesday's sackings.
      Townsend - education and development manager at Kick It Out,  as well as the father of Tottenham winger Andros - said the loss of both Powell and Ramsey from the Championship sides was "a really disappointing day for BME people who are looking to be part of the game at the highest level".
      He told BBC Radio 5 live: "We are talking about the under-representation of black managers in the English game.
      "We have 25% BME players in this country. There are less than 4% in terms of major coaching roles. The stats don't stack up."
      'Totally out of order'

      Sinclair was recently coaching Brackley Town in the National League North and says he "totally disagrees" with Townsend's claims.
      The 43-year-old says that he has twice recently come close to a job and believes there are opportunities for black coaches in England.
      "They [Powell and Ramsey] are both terrific lads who have given me advice in the past, and you're disappointed that they lost their jobs, but you've got to be realistic," he told BBC Radio Northampton.
      "To make a statement that more or less says 'is it because of their colour that they've been sacked?' is something that I had to make a response to because I totally disagree.

      "It can be damaging. I don't question a chairman's integrity.
      "I've been very close to getting a couple of jobs recently, and out of 35-40 applicants, I've got to the final two twice. There's encouragement that if I keep doing the right things, then I'll get the opportunity to manage at the level that I want to.
      "[Townsend's comments] are damaging. People could read that and think: 'If I take on a black manager is he going to turn around if it doesn't go well and say 'the reason I got sacked is because of the colour of my skin'?
      "That is out of order and you can't have statements made like that."
      Huddersfield said that the dismissal of Powell "signals a change of direction by the club and a new approach", while QPR director of football Les Ferdinand said that replacing Ramsey was in the "best interests of the club".

      Huddesfield have won 3 games all season and sit 19th in the league. Manager deserved to be sacked.
      QPR sit 13th and have the squad to be winning that league. Manager deserved to be sacked.

      Absolutely shameful comments from Troy Townsend who needlessly plays the race card time and time again. How is it 'disheartening' to see this happen how on earth can he claim this is due to the colour of their skin and ignore the poor results on the pitch. Managers are judged on performance and not by ethnicity. Both were not performing, both deserved the sack.

      I would wholeheartedly hope Kick It Out remove Townsend from his post as development manager, he is crying wolf and totally out of order. No one in his position should be making such radical claims. Lets kick racism out of football when we see it, not go calling any decisions made against non-white players or managers racist every time they happen.

      What a dick this guy is. A person who continually plays the race card is as bad as a racist in my opinion.
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      Reply #62: Nov 10, 2015 09:48:47 pm
      What a dick this guy is. A person who continually plays the race card is as bad as a racist in my opinion.

      You'd think someone in his position would understand the severity of making such claims. It's completely reckless and he's the one doing the damage not QPR or Huddersfield.
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      Reply #63: Nov 10, 2015 11:30:50 pm
      Agree with both of you people like this really get on my tits.

      If your not up to the task irrespective of colour, sex, age or whatever you should be given the boot.

      Wasn't this one of the wallies who had a right field day with Suarez-Evra?
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      Reply #64: Nov 14, 2015 06:23:23 am
      Agree with all of the above,  that Troy fella has done more damage than either of those sackings,

      Coaches have to be of a standard befitting the leagues at that level in the first instance and of course bme guys have to want to coach. I'm sure there are plenty out there who are well capable,

      Troy needs to give his head a wobble and rethink what he's actually saying.


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      Reply #65: Mar 30, 2016 10:30:42 pm
      Also a huge difference between a heat of the moment racist comment and being racist.  If I called someone a black c**t, I wouldn't be being racist, the insult is the c**t part, much like I called a mate of mine a slaphead c**t the other night, during an argument.  Same goes for big nose, ginger, fat, skinny, big ears etc.  Huge difference between calling some a c**t because he's black or calling someone black a c**t and whilst we continue along the lines of not being able to mention creed and colour, we'll have race issues.  I'm not saying racism is right, it's abhorrent, just that sometimes, a comment deemed as racist, isn't.

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      Reply #66: Mar 30, 2016 10:35:56 pm
      I love how an anecdotal story about witnessing verbal racist abuse in a public place requires hardcore physical evidence. Video, high quality audio, more than 1 witness, a DNA sample, finger prints, a blood sample, and an e-fit, for people to believe it actually happened.

      Is it really that hard to believe?
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      Reply #67: Mar 31, 2016 12:05:53 am
      I love how an anecdotal story about witnessing verbal racist abuse in a public place requires hardcore physical evidence. Video, high quality audio, more than 1 witness, a DNA sample, finger prints, a blood sample, and an e-fit, for people to believe it actually happened.

      Is it really that hard to believe?

      It is when you're commenting on something almost a year old!!
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      Reply #68: Mar 31, 2016 12:40:53 pm
      Also a huge difference between a heat of the moment racist comment and being racist.  If I called someone a black c**t, I wouldn't be being racist, the insult is the c**t part, much like I called a mate of mine a slaphead c**t the other night, during an argument.  Same goes for big nose, ginger, fat, skinny, big ears etc.  Huge difference between calling some a c**t because he's black or calling someone black a c**t and whilst we continue along the lines of not being able to mention creed and colour, we'll have race issues.  I'm not saying racism is right, it's abhorrent, just that sometimes, a comment deemed as racist, isn't.

      Agreed 100% and it's those that don't seem to grasp the difference and indeed having to endure their ignorance who I think cause an enormous amount of the problems. 
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      Reply #69: Apr 01, 2016 04:42:29 am
      If you can ave racism towards someone who comes from 15 miles away then someone who comes from a hundred or thousand miles away can be subject to racism too, it's life.
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      Reply #70: Jan 09, 2018 04:57:25 pm
      Peter Beardsley in a spot of bother,http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42627051.
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      Reply #71: Dec 10, 2018 04:58:55 pm
      Guess i'll bump this,https://www.nbcsports.com/video/premier-league-soccer-world-has-regressed-how-it-deals-racism.Sterling right on this,still think he's a tw*t.Bit of hypocrisy from nbc sports in regards of their continued use of the backpage headline sh*te from prem league insider and sun dude neil ashton.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #72: Dec 10, 2018 05:40:02 pm
      I tried to speak out against racism recently and got a load of flack for it. I've seen Origi compared to Hesky, Gini compared to Veirra, Mbappe compared to Henry, Sterling compared to Pele and Ibe compared with Sterling. If racism was dealt with on a fundamental level it wouldn't grow to what happened at Chelsea v City.
      « Last Edit: Dec 10, 2018 05:46:23 pm by Ribapuru »
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      Reply #73: Dec 10, 2018 06:59:42 pm
      I tried to speak out against racism recently and got a load of flack for it. I've seen Origi compared to Hesky, Gini compared to Veirra, Mbappe compared to Henry, Sterling compared to Pele and Ibe compared with Sterling. If racism was dealt with on a fundamental level it wouldn't grow to what happened at Chelsea v City.

      Totally get what you are saying and understand why you could see that as racism, and maybe you have a point that kicking out the lower levels (no matter how little to nothing they are) could stop the growth in actual racism for us and our future generations, but for me, it is more about the intent than some player comparison of the same skin type, stereotyping or joke.
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      Reply #74: Dec 10, 2018 07:24:22 pm
      Totally get what you are saying and understand why you could see that as racism, and maybe you have a point that kicking out the lower levels (no matter how little to nothing they are) could stop the growth in actual racism for us and our future generations, but for me, it is more about the intent than some player comparison of the same skin type, stereotyping or joke.
      i understand that, but it's important not to plant subconscious mindsets that point towards differences between humans. I'm probably thinking outside the box, but our subconscious is 95% of brain activity and conscious is a mere representation. There's much bigger problems out there but it seems like mankind is forever trimming branches instead of pulling roots.
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      Reply #75: Dec 10, 2018 07:30:19 pm
      Football has  done more than it’s fair share in tackling racism in the game & stands..from grassroots to professional...

      Society needs looking at itself, It’s obvious events in politics rear their ugly heads in the stands..the media needs looking at itself how it protrays black/ethnic footballers compared to white footballers..

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      Reply #76: Dec 10, 2018 07:51:40 pm
      i understand that, but it's important not to plant subconscious mindsets that point towards differences between humans. I'm probably thinking outside the box, but our subconscious is 95% of brain activity and conscious is a mere representation. There's much bigger problems out there but it seems like mankind is forever trimming branches instead of pulling roots.

      I think we may be heading down that road to an extent due to SJW's. People are being more careful in what they say and how they judge people, with mainstream media taking a more indirect approach imo.

      Whilst I do not agree with the SJW's methods of harrassment/bullying, intimidation and aggressive/violent behaviour, and feel it is wrong, I do also see their filtering out racisim/bigotry/misogyny mindset POV and how they want a better society long term, but we'll only know if they are successful or not in 20-30 years time imo.
      « Last Edit: Dec 10, 2018 07:58:40 pm by PurpleMonkey »
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      Reply #77: Dec 10, 2018 08:07:02 pm
      I think we may be heading down that road to an extent due to SJW's. People are being more careful in what they say and how they judge people, with mainstream media taking a more indirect approach imo.

      Whilst I do not agree with the SJW's methods of harrassment/bullying, intimidation and aggressive/violent behaviour, and feel it is wrong, I do also see their filtering out racisim/bigotry/misogyny mindset POV and how they want a better society long term, but we'll only know if they are successful or not in 20-30 years time imo.
      I agree. Something that also gets overlooked is in some foreign cultures racism is allowed, foreigners have to pay extra money for the same items a home national would pay in some circumstances and insults cannot be prosecuted there. We're multicultural so we accept them into our society, they have children here who have their parents ways from a country with no laws against racism... it needs to be a bigger effort than just UK media.
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      Reply #78: Dec 10, 2018 08:56:18 pm
      I tried to speak out against racism recently and got a load of flack for it. I've seen Origi compared to Hesky, Gini compared to Veirra, Mbappe compared to Henry, Sterling compared to Pele and Ibe compared with Sterling. If racism was dealt with on a fundamental level it wouldn't grow to what happened at Chelsea v City.
       

      Nope.You saw something that wasn't there and changed the narrative of the thread to be about you,just like you're trying to do with this thread. racist tw*ts in the premier league.
      https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46504433 John Barnes.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #79: Dec 10, 2018 09:14:36 pm
       

      Nope.You saw something that wasn't there and changed the narrative of the thread to be about you,just like you're trying to do with this thread. racist tw*ts in the premier league.
      https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46504433 John Barnes.
      how could anyone possibly compare Emile and Divok both same height and weight (when Emile played) both centre forwards both not the most prolific of goal scorers . SO do we have to accept we cannot compare footballers if they happen to have the same skin colour.
      Like you said trying to stir is all this poster is good for.
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      Reply #80: Dec 10, 2018 09:39:48 pm
      If more people had the balls to speak out against the English media we could get somewhere. Fair play to Raheem Sterling.

      Great from Neville and Carra on Monday Night Football, tonight:

      https://youtu.be/YF3jTYjXEe8

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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #81: Dec 10, 2018 11:11:49 pm
      how could anyone possibly compare Emile and Divok both same height and weight (when Emile played) both centre forwards both not the most prolific of goal scorers . SO do we have to accept we cannot compare footballers if they happen to have the same skin colour.
      Like you said trying to stir is all this poster is good for.
      Hesky and Origi aren't the same weight or height, now you are making things up.  Why not compare Origi to Milan Baros etc...? Honestly, denying it and sweeping it under the carpet is real sh*ty.  What next? Will people be saying Son Heung-min reminds them off Honda? Get a grip! If an African origin person makes a speech in your work place, will you say they remind you of Martin Luther King? If so, expect P45 the following day. It's the acceptance of this cr*p that allowed papers to get away with it.

      If people keep comparing because of ethnicity this kind of thing happens.

      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/20/lord-sugar-under-fire-over-racist-senegal-world-cup-team-tweet

      Comparing based on race is racist.
      « Last Edit: Dec 10, 2018 11:29:47 pm by Ribapuru »
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #82: Dec 11, 2018 07:00:35 am
      Hesky and Origi aren't the same weight or height, now you are making things up.  Why not compare Origi to Milan Baros etc...? Honestly, denying it and sweeping it under the carpet is real sh*ty.  What next? Will people be saying Son Heung-min reminds them off Honda? Get a grip! If an African origin person makes a speech in your work place, will you say they remind you of Martin Luther King? If so, expect P45 the following day. It's the acceptance of this cr*p that allowed papers to get away with it.

      If people keep comparing because of ethnicity this kind of thing happens.

      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/20/lord-sugar-under-fire-over-racist-senegal-world-cup-team-tweet

      Comparing based on race is racist.

      If you think that tweet and comparing Heskey to Origi is the same thing then you genuinely need help.

      Not to mention the Henry and Mbappe comparisons you also sight as racist, what a speedy French star who likes to drift wide and slot home finishes with a side foot to the corner. Sure Mbappe has more power to his game but it seems a fair comparison.

      You then go on to just fabricate some examples of black players being compared to others that are completely different, in a desperate plea to make your point. Making up comparisons that could be perceived as racist just so you can desperately try to prove a point. You sad little man. I pity you.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #83: Dec 11, 2018 07:50:05 am
      Hesky and Origi aren't the same weight or height, now you are making things up.  Why not compare Origi to Milan Baros etc...? Honestly, denying it and sweeping it under the carpet is real sh*ty.  What next? Will people be saying Son Heung-min reminds them off Honda? Get a grip! If an African origin person makes a speech in your work place, will you say they remind you of Martin Luther King? If so, expect P45 the following day. It's the acceptance of this cr*p that allowed papers to get away with it.

      If people keep comparing because of ethnicity this kind of thing happens.

      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/20/lord-sugar-under-fire-over-racist-senegal-world-cup-team-tweet

      Comparing based on race is racist.

      Your constant attempts to look for a racist angle within player comparisons is poor - really poor and actually undermines when people try and tackle true racism

      Heskey and Origi were compared due to their style of play on a football pitch and their lack of confidence etc - nothing to do with their skin colour or ethnicity- they were compared as footballers.

      For example I would compare Owen to Defoe , Baros to Cisse , Son to Garcia etc etc

      And none of it will be because the colour of their skin or where they come from

      Your accusations aimed towards forum members of racist undertones is poor and lacking any substance
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #84: Dec 11, 2018 08:35:55 am
      Heskey and Origi were compared due to their style of play on a football pitch and their lack of confidence etc - nothing to do with their skin colour or ethnicity- they were compared as footballers.
      Different style of play, a lot of players lack confidence and Origi isn't one of them. Origi and Hesky are both forwards aland that's all,   as for the rest... One is centre forward now other ended his career a support striker. One has strength other has agility. I'm not getting into this again. They're also not the same height or weight like it's been suggested. It's not a narrative and I know that Tweet in the papers is worse, but it just shows there's a scale and people should be more thoughtful about comparisons. Regardless if you disagree with me, I've raised the issue and people who read this may consider comparisons more carefully in the future.
      « Last Edit: Dec 11, 2018 08:42:20 am by Ribapuru »
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #85: Dec 11, 2018 09:33:44 am
      If you think that tweet and comparing Heskey to Origi is the same thing then you genuinely need help.

      Not to mention the Henry and Mbappe comparisons you also sight as racist, what a speedy French star who likes to drift wide and slot home finishes with a side foot to the corner. Sure Mbappe has more power to his game but it seems a fair comparison.

      You then go on to just fabricate some examples of black players being compared to others that are completely different, in a desperate plea to make your point. Making up comparisons that could be perceived as racist just so you can desperately try to prove a point. You sad little man. I pity you.

      he is right though I think Emile is an inch taller so impossible to compare them both :f_doh:. He is on a constant wind up of forum members and plays the victim to get support from his mates who then say he is being bullied.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #86: Dec 11, 2018 09:36:23 am
      he is right though I think Emile is an inch taller so impossible to compare them both :f_doh:. He is on a constant wind up of forum members and plays the victim to get support from his mates who then say he is being bullied.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #87: Dec 11, 2018 09:36:43 am
      Different style of play, a lot of players lack confidence and Origi isn't one of them. Origi and Hesky are both forwards aland that's all,   as for the rest... One is centre forward now other ended his career a support striker. One has strength other has agility. I'm not getting into this again. They're also not the same height or weight like it's been suggested. It's not a narrative and I know that Tweet in the papers is worse, but it just shows there's a scale and people should be more thoughtful about comparisons. Regardless if you disagree with me, I've raised the issue and people who read this may consider comparisons more carefully in the future.

      I’ll say it again as you appear to want to ignore the plain truth

      People compared Origi and Heskey as footballers and not because of the colour of their skin - stop looking for a disgraceful angle to try and wind up forummers.

      Using racism to score points is low
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #88: Dec 11, 2018 09:40:12 am
      I’ll say it again as you appear to want to ignore the plain truth

      People compared Origi and Heskey as footballers and not because of the colour of their skin - stop looking for a disgraceful angle to try and wind up forummers.

      Using racism to score points is low
      we'll have to agree to disagree here.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #89: Dec 11, 2018 09:53:27 am
      I remember posting a couple or three seasons back something like "Looks like racism is still a live and well in football", and two or three people here took it as I was saying that LFC was a racist club, Of course that was not what I was saying... But it seem that because of Brexit many of the people out there who felt that they had to hide thier attitude toward people of a different skin colour, or race feel that it is now OK to voice that opinion openly now... It has never really gone away, It has only hide itself away, but has always been there...
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #90: Dec 11, 2018 10:16:43 am
      In stoppage time at the end of the first half, around 46:40, Sakho gets the ball and is dallying around with it, not quite sure what to do.  Then you can hear one of our supporters clear as day yell out "pass it, coon!"

      oh but it's only other clubs that have racist supporters, right? 

      This is what I was saying when that Chelsea fans in the tube story happened.  We will never get racism out of football if every club says "oh it's only other clubs that have racist supporters."

      there are racist supporters at every club.  Best way to deal with it is for each club to clean its own house instead of pointing the finger at other clubs.

      Here is the thing Fed' no matter how any Club tries they will never totally get rid of racist Supporters, Those racist supporters will just learn to hide it as they have been going since the "Kick Racism Out" campaign started Look at the way the English supporters behaved in France during the Euros

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO_Un-lKwPM
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #91: Dec 11, 2018 02:26:29 pm
      It's not as bad in the prem, but try going to lower league matches and see the thuggery, hooliganism and racism that takes place away from the camera's.

      Yes, it's a minority, just as hooligans have always been a minority, but it creeps upwards into the prem as it gains traction through people going to lower league matches and premier league matches.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #92: Dec 11, 2018 03:09:25 pm
      Fair play to Mings for this,https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46520506.Bit of victim blaming by Kitson.But yep it okay gotta keep the callers and advertisers coming in.scum.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #93: Dec 11, 2018 11:57:10 pm
      Evra .

      Sterling.

      ?

       ;D
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #94: Dec 12, 2018 09:24:26 pm
      I think Evra was the biggest racist ever,he set out to trap Suarez and succeeded.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #95: Dec 12, 2018 09:57:41 pm
      I think Evra was the biggest racist ever,he set out to trap Suarez and succeeded.


      With help  from his friends Ferguson and Phelan.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #96: Jan 31, 2019 12:56:50 am
      Did i hear right ? Did Neil Lennon a ginger Irishman say he was racially abused? Lol now that's funny 🤣😂🤣
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #97: Jan 31, 2019 12:58:55 am
      Wish he'd make his mind up 🤣🤣😂😂
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #98: Jan 31, 2019 01:01:16 am
      Always be a tw*t anyway . Racially abused I can't stop laughing 🤣🤣
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      Reply #99: Jan 31, 2019 01:21:52 am
      I think Evra was the biggest racist ever,he set out to trap Suarez and succeeded.


      It was the worst. So much assumption with hardly anyone actually reading in full, reporting on or talking fairly about the full FA report.

      Massive joke. He's no angel, Luis, but that sh*t was horrendous.
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      Reply #100: Jan 31, 2019 01:45:05 am
      It was the worst. So much assumption with hardly anyone actually reading in full, reporting on or talking fairly about the full FA report.

      Massive joke. He's no angel, Luis, but that sh*t was horrendous.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #101: Jan 31, 2019 12:27:18 pm
      Are you drunk? WTF are all these posts about you bellend.

      Can't believe he's actually got away with that.
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      Reply #102: Jan 31, 2019 12:33:44 pm
      Can't believe he's actually got away with that.

      Agreed.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #103: Jan 31, 2019 12:47:15 pm
      Can't believe he's actually got away with that.

      We hope not.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #104: Jan 31, 2019 03:46:46 pm
       :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:  wrong Lennon, and wrong colour,

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47039159

      but there we go, backs up what i was saying
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #105: Jan 31, 2019 03:54:24 pm
      Not sure what Molby was drinking but that was a full blown exercise in how to get a ban.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #106: Jan 31, 2019 04:19:15 pm
      It was the worst. So much assumption with hardly anyone actually reading in full, reporting on or talking fairly about the full FA report.

      Massive joke. He's no angel, Luis, but that sh*t was horrendous.
       

      I was called racist for defending Luis over that,i made an effort to read all of that report,the dude that was spouting sh*t to me had only read headline/trash media reports.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #107: Jan 31, 2019 08:11:17 pm
      wow

      So all that happened is his posts got deleted?

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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #108: Jan 31, 2019 08:24:59 pm
      Just been a few instances of late and it has to be stamped on sharpish. Sport generally has done a lot but it could easily let things slip. Just sickens me.

      Bias or prejudice against colour, greed or class is a disease born out of hatred.

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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #109: Jan 31, 2019 09:34:22 pm
      wow

      So all that happened is his posts got deleted?
       

      Would maybe put it down to drunk posting,would be ok with an explanation ? before booting.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #110: Jan 31, 2019 09:47:47 pm
       

      Would maybe put it down to drunk posting,would be ok with an explanation ? before booting.

      Never an excuse.. Sorry mate.. call it for what it is..
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #111: Feb 02, 2019 10:47:21 am
      Looks like Peter Beardsley is on his way out of Newcastle after allegations of racism & bullying..
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #112: Mar 15, 2019 06:10:22 pm
      https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47552029.So just an ignorant kid or something worse?
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #113: Mar 15, 2019 06:14:33 pm

      Something worse.

      The amount of xenophobia and outright racism in this country is f**king shocking, and it's all down to government policy and the press.

      Take today's daily fail for example, desperately trying to humanise a mass murderer while ignoring his victims.

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