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      Roddenberry
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #30: Mar 25, 2015 04:39:20 pm
      I was being facetious mate.
      On a more serious note, the bloke did a runner after someone told him to shut up or get filled in (not me), but I was surprised he thought he could get away with it.


      We need to invent facetious & sarcastic smilies.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #31: Mar 26, 2015 05:34:26 pm
      Racism in football? I blame the Black Irish Muslims!  :f_whistle:
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      Reply #32: Mar 26, 2015 09:37:24 pm
      Where's that shameless Chelsea fan federer? Gone quiet has he...
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #33: Mar 27, 2015 05:10:07 am
      You are a Chelsea fan so why do you stalk these pages?  You're a terrible terrible troll. You really are. Begone you rent boy supporting, flag waving loon!

      you're a bit of an odd one aren't you.  Why does it bother you so much that some people might, just might, not think exactly the way you do?  yes, it's true, I don't rate all of our players.  Yes, it's true, I don't like Rodgers---I don't like how he treated Pepe and Agger, I don't like how he throws players under the bus etc etc.  It is what it is.  But you think unless someone is a carbon copy of you, they must be given labels and called "trolls" etc.  it's a very limited way of approaching the world.  You can disagree with me on issues, but I don't see why you feel the need to ostracize people so aggressively just because they have a different viewpoint from you.

      As I have said before, I grew up in Kent without a lot of money, and with a father who had a disability.  That meant that going to the football was a very rare event full stop, let alone being able to go up to Merseyside just to see a match.  Now that I'm an adult I've been based abroad for several years now, first in Mexico then in the States, so I have even less access to our games.  The last time I was in London and able to see one of our games, it was at Chelsea.   and I went.  And from that, you somehow come to the conclusion that I am a Chelsea supporter?  that's quite a big leap!

      you should go read Edward Said's "Orientalism," it's a seminal work and you in fact are a perfect example of one of the archetypes Said talks about in creating and referring to the "Other."
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #34: Mar 27, 2015 05:28:42 am
      1 - You have posted no evidence, do so and then you may get a reaction as...
      The assertion without a 100% credible back up is worse than disgraceful.
      Eh?  why do you act as if I am the sole owner of the "evidence"?  do you not record our games?  you could easily go back and watch the moment again.  If you don't record them, there are similar options---i.e., you are on this forum; that means you have internet access.  If you have internet access, all you have to do is Google "Liverpool/Manchester United full match" and you would have plenty of options to watch the match again, immediately.  I even did the hard work for you of pointing out the exact time when it happens, around 46:40 in the first half.  The evidence is about two clicks away from you.

      But, apparently it's much easier to write a post than just do a quick Google search, and you refuse to look for yourself, so I went ahead and came up with the video.

      Here it is.  Around 46:40 Coutinho gives the ball to Sakho.  He dallies around, there's no pass on, and at 46:45 you clearly hear "pass it, coon!"   The video---

      http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2kqg5i_race_news

      Google Drive option also here:

      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4DEaeW2IzMgX2E0Q0tkRUd5NXc/view?pli=1
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #35: Mar 27, 2015 07:18:31 am
      Not clear to me at all, could have been pass it you or more likely pass it Cou ie pass it to Coutinho.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #36: Mar 27, 2015 07:31:19 am
      Not clear to me at all, could have been pass it you or more likely pass it Cou ie pass it to Coutinho.

      riiiiight....  I'm sure that's exactly what it was.... "pass it Cou..."

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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #37: Mar 27, 2015 07:49:22 am
      riiiiight....  I'm sure that's exactly what it was.... "pass it Cou..."



      I assume like me your not an audiology expert in which case my assumption is just as likely as yours.

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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #38: Mar 27, 2015 07:56:25 am
      I assume like me your not an audiology expert in which case my assumption is just as likely as yours.

      Sorry but no.  You don't need to be an expert to know what is being said.  "Pass it coon" is clear as day.  Had he said "Pass it (to) Cou(tinho)", maybe that would have made sense, at a stretch. 

      On top of that the way he yells suggests he is annoyed, understandably since we were down and the mancs were controlling the game.  Sakho was also doing nothing and looking like a deer in the headlights.  Oh and there's the small fact that Sakho happens to be black.   Oh and as previously mentioned in the thread there were racist comments made by our supporters during the match as well.  as if it weren't clear enough from the audio, the comment checks off all the contextual boxes.  Do I really need to spell this out?

      anyway, this is all so ridiculous.  "Their racists are terrible! but ours?  oh he probably meant to say something else..."

      we need to just work on getting stuff like this out.  full stop.  we clean up our club, everyone else cleans up their own club, and that's the way.  When we all point fingers at each other and say "we don't have any racists, but you do!"---nothing gets done. 
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #39: Mar 27, 2015 09:25:23 am
      Eh?  why do you act as if I am the sole owner of the "evidence"?  do you not record our games?  you could easily go back and watch the moment again.  If you don't record them, there are similar options---i.e., you are on this forum; that means you have internet access.  If you have internet access, all you have to do is Google "Liverpool/Manchester United full match" and you would have plenty of options to watch the match again, immediately.  I even did the hard work for you of pointing out the exact time when it happens, around 46:40 in the first half.  The evidence is about two clicks away from you.

      But, apparently it's much easier to write a post than just do a quick Google search, and you refuse to look for yourself, so I went ahead and came up with the video.

      Here it is.  Around 46:40 Coutinho gives the ball to Sakho.  He dallies around, there's no pass on, and at 46:45 you clearly hear "pass it, coon!"   The video---

      http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2kqg5i_race_news

      Google Drive option also here:

      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4DEaeW2IzMgX2E0Q0tkRUd5NXc/view?pli=1

      What exactly are you waffling about?
      I asked for evidence one way or the other and made reference to your penchant for using personal comment.
      You provide a link and cannot help but add comment completely without context.
      Too much time on your hands lad.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #40: Mar 27, 2015 11:00:29 am
      how does federer have 237 upvotes? what the hell? surely they're requests for him to be banned?
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #41: Mar 27, 2015 11:04:00 am
      how does federer have 237 upvotes? what the hell? surely they're requests for him to be banned?

      He does post a few pearls of wisdom from time to time among the other nonsense.

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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #42: Mar 27, 2015 11:13:33 am
      Just watched the video clip, make of it what you will? ( coon? ) I thought he shouted pass it through!
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      Reply #43: Mar 27, 2015 12:01:02 pm
      All this over some audio that sounds different depending on the listener?

      This honky's outta here.

       :f_run:
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #44: Mar 27, 2015 12:56:25 pm
      Eh?  why do you act as if I am the sole owner of the "evidence"?



      You posted the accusation ya muppet, therefore it's your job to supply the evidence.  Having listened, I know Brummies drop aitches from the beginning of words, was unaware of Scousers dropping n's from the end of words.  It's inconclusive at best, especially as the scouse accent has a predilection for pronouncing the last syllable of a word harder, especially when preceded by a double vowel.  After several listens, I'm still hearing a couple of things though, it's either pass (it) 't t' (to) Cou or pass it through.  Got a Chelsea fan here to listen to it to, he thought it was pass it through first time, still thinks it is after another listen, when I asked if he thought it could be coon, he just went 'f**k no'.

      Not saying we don't have racist fans, just saying, on this evidence, you've failed to make your point.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #45: Mar 27, 2015 12:57:26 pm
      In stoppage time at the end of the first half, around 46:40, Sakho gets the ball and is dallying around with it, not quite sure what to do.  Then you can hear one of our supporters clear as day yell out "pass it, coon!"

      oh but it's only other clubs that have racist supporters, right? 

      This is what I was saying when that Chelsea fans in the tube story happened.  We will never get racism out of football if every club says "oh it's only other clubs that have racist supporters."

      there are racist supporters at every club.  Best way to deal with it is for each club to clean its own house instead of pointing the finger at other clubs.

      Not even close to what the problem was in the 80s, mass chanting, NF calling-cards, NF trying to recruit from the terraces.

      Personally don't think the supposed 'problem' is anywhere near as bad as what it was. And if what we're down to is individual shouts, then I think we're doing very well as a sport.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #46: Mar 27, 2015 01:43:28 pm
      'Pass it soon' or 'pass it through' is what I make of it.

      No racial content to it.

      Sometimes you hear what you want to hear.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #47: Mar 27, 2015 02:43:13 pm


      Sometimes you hear what you want to hear.

      Do you have to bring the Zionists into every thread Shabs?  ;)
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      Reply #48: Mar 27, 2015 03:52:04 pm
      Honky's back.

      Maybe it was a Scottish fan saying "pass it doon".

      Or

      Because Sakho looks like one, " pass it loon".

      Or

      Possibly it was "if you see that federer off Reds give him a kick up the arse....soon".

      Interpretation, mental.

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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #49: Mar 27, 2015 05:43:29 pm
      Definitely sounds like ''pass it Cou!'' to me, which is consistent with the fact that Coutinho is right next to Sakho and available for the pass. At best, it's open to a range of reasonable interpretations, so I don't think fed has any point.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #50: Mar 27, 2015 05:53:53 pm
      Can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I have heard that disgusting term in Liverpool in the last 10 years.
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      Reply #51: Mar 27, 2015 07:57:18 pm
      Can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I have heard that disgusting term in Liverpool in the last 10 years.

      About right that Stu, it's a proper old skool slur.
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      Reply #52: Mar 27, 2015 10:45:22 pm
      One person shouts "pass it" and then somebody else, possibly even from the bench, shouts "Cou".

      There would be gasps if somebody shouted that and I've never heard anything of the like when I've been there. I'm sorry but I'm not having somebody telling everyone how racist it is at Anfield and then in the next breath telling us all how he has never been there and that he is from nowhere near the area.

      There will be racist people in a group of 45,000 no matter where you put that many together. There will also be somebody with a 12 inch cock on flop but that doesn't mean he's going to be getting it out and swinging it around his head.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #53: Mar 27, 2015 10:52:18 pm
      One person shouts "pass it" and then somebody else, possibly even from the bench, shouts "Cou".

      Listened to it some more, you're right, it's two voices, making Federer looking like an even bigger muppet than I already thought.
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      Reply #54: Mar 27, 2015 11:32:28 pm
      Listened to it some more, you're right, it's two voices, making Federer looking like an even bigger muppet than I already thought.

      It's almost a scandal that his name should be associated with a legend of tennis. It really doesn't sit right.

      How about one of the mod's change his name to Barry Cowan?
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #55: Jul 18, 2015 03:26:17 pm
      Not the Premier League but Frimpong has just been sent off in Russia because he gave the finger to fans who were monkey chanting him. More shameful antics from Russia, can't believe the referee allowed the game to go on never mind sending Frimpong off for a perfectly justified and human reaction. He and the Russian fans should be ashamed of themselves. How can FIFA allow this to go on? And we're meant to have the next world cup there! God help us.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #56: Jul 22, 2015 05:29:43 pm
      Not the Premier League but Frimpong has just been sent off in Russia because he gave the finger to fans who were monkey chanting him. More shameful antics from Russia, can't believe the referee allowed the game to go on never mind sending Frimpong off for a perfectly justified and human reaction. He and the Russian fans should be ashamed of themselves. How can FIFA allow this to go on? And we're meant to have the next world cup there! God help us.
      https://twitter.com/BrownbearNav/status/623883836989030401
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #57: Jul 22, 2015 05:55:40 pm
      Here's my interpretation (not that anyone cares):

      Listened to a few times and really, I wish I could have listened to it without knowing what I was listening for. In other words...had someone just said "Hey, listen to this and tell me what you hear", I don't know if I'd have heard "c**n".

      As it is, it did sort of sound like that to me but even so, here would be my questions:

      1)How/why would someone be so bold as to yell something like that at a point in the game when the stadium was so quiet? I mean would have to be a real mental giant to be so bold or so dumb.

      2)How do we know what section it had come from? Say for a minute it was "c**n".....do we know it wasn't said by one of the other team's supporters?
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #58: Jul 22, 2015 09:01:26 pm
      Not the Premier League but Frimpong has just been sent off in Russia because he gave the finger to fans who were monkey chanting him. More shameful antics from Russia, can't believe the referee allowed the game to go on never mind sending Frimpong off for a perfectly justified and human reaction. He and the Russian fans should be ashamed of themselves. How can FIFA allow this to go on? And we're meant to have the next world cup there! God help us.

      Time after time it happens in Russia, the country is a confirmed fascist state and the authorities(?) do nothing to dispel the assertion.
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      Re: Racism in the Premier League
      Reply #59: Jul 23, 2015 03:14:23 am
      5 year ban for racist Chelsea fans in the Paris metro incident.

      Disgusting punishment. Nothing surprising though considering its Chelsea.

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