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      Feb 10, 2015 11:53:13 am
      The more I read about the history of football, the more I become interested in the multiple codes of the game that were developed in different places and time periods. Association Football (soccer) will always be my favorite sport, but I've really become a fan of Rugby Union in recent years and also Rugby League (which I had the chance of watching live in St Helens with JD, the last time I was in England).

      Unfortunately, rugby league isn't televised here so I simply follow the results occasionally (and recently watched the 2014 Grand Final, which St Helens won, on youtube ;D). As for rugby union, I watch the international competitions (six nations, rugby championship, world cup) but would love to follow Munster Rugby - my adopted side - on a regular basis. Only the English premiership is televised here though.

      In Brazil, people pretty much only care about Association Football (soccer), although rugby has a bit of an amateur tradition here, and American Football is fastly growing in popularity and, as a result, in playing numbers as well.

      I do watch the NFL but I'm not a huge fan. In terms of American sports, the one that really caught my attention was baseball so in comparison the NFL simply doesn't look as fun to me (I know it may sound quite crazy to some).

      Well, anyway - the point of this thread was just to discuss the different football codes and people's views on them.

      It amazes me to know that there are codes still entirely unknown to me - such as Gaelic football or Australian rules - and I do hope to at least once watch a game live of each of these sports (my notions of tourism are often directly linked to sporting experiences).

      So, which codes do you like best (after Association Football, of course)?
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      Reply #1: Feb 13, 2015 11:58:52 am
      Recently found a resource that posts rugby league games to watch on demand (and occasionally live streaming as well) - all it takes is a £5.50 donation: http://www.prlforums.com/

      So now I've just found one more sport to watch. My days should be 60 hours long for me to do and watch everything I want.
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      Reply #2: Feb 13, 2015 06:21:25 pm
      I grew up with the NFL (American Football) but lived with some "soccer" players in college and starting watching the game then. My interest steadily grew and when my oldest son was around 4 he wanted to play and I volunteered to coach his team so that's when I really got heavily into it.

      I'd say at this point, I don't know if the NFL is my favorite, but it's like that old friend that you've known forever.....but I really do love LFC and watching soccer in almost all of it's forms. There are actually aspects of each that I think would play well with each other. For instance, the NFL should use the Relegation/Promotion aspect from soccer, I think it would make things more exciting and meaningful for the "bad" teams. And I wish soccer would somehow enforce a salary cap (not sure how that would even work admittedly) and also start allowing for coaches to "challenge" bad calls (using instant replay to verify) during the game. The NFL allows coaches 2 challenges per game and a third if you win both of your challenges.

      Soccer's adopted goal line technology so I'm not sure why they could't institute a fair and effecient replay system to ensure that on scoring plays, the right call was made.
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      Reply #3: Feb 15, 2015 01:53:42 pm
      I grew up with the NFL (American Football) but lived with some "soccer" players in college and starting watching the game then. My interest steadily grew and when my oldest son was around 4 he wanted to play and I volunteered to coach his team so that's when I really got heavily into it.

      I'd say at this point, I don't know if the NFL is my favorite, but it's like that old friend that you've known forever.....but I really do love LFC and watching soccer in almost all of it's forms. There are actually aspects of each that I think would play well with each other. For instance, the NFL should use the Relegation/Promotion aspect from soccer, I think it would make things more exciting and meaningful for the "bad" teams. And I wish soccer would somehow enforce a salary cap (not sure how that would even work admittedly) and also start allowing for coaches to "challenge" bad calls (using instant replay to verify) during the game. The NFL allows coaches 2 challenges per game and a third if you win both of your challenges.

      Soccer's adopted goal line technology so I'm not sure why they could't institute a fair and effecient replay system to ensure that on scoring plays, the right call was made.

      I agree there is much that different sports can learn from each other - particularly in the case of American sports and European sports, as they generally follow different models. There is a book I've been meaning to read for a while that does an overall comparison between Baseball and Soccer which is called National Pastime: How Americans Play Baseball and the Rest of the World Plays Soccer
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      Reply #4: Feb 15, 2015 02:15:00 pm
      I think rugby union at its best is a fantastic spectator sport to watch. Of course I'd never play it (my skinny frame would get pulverised in an instant!) but I do enjoy this time of they year when the 6 nations is on. I'm quite neutral and a fan of all the home nations here but I have to say I do love the Wales v England fixture the most. It's always the highlight of the 6 nations and its great news for rugby fans that both will be playing each other in the World Cup later this year! For me that is Rugby Union at its best and so it proved during last weeks excellent match (and an impressive English victory to go with it).

      I think we're blessed in Britain to have a lot of football codes thanks to the various folk traditions in all corners of this country. There's one in Workington, Cumbria called Uppies and Downies which is a version of Medieval football!

      But maybe the most famous of folk footballing codes (and one I know of very well!) is in the Orkney Islands called The Ba! As you can see in the video below it's quite brutal!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-973kUV-sE
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      Reply #5: Feb 15, 2015 10:26:56 pm
      Rugby League is the second best game in the world. Watch the Aussie competition - best players, best teams.
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      Reply #6: Feb 15, 2015 10:43:18 pm
      Rugby League is the second best game in the world. Watch the Aussie competition - best players, best teams.

      I agree the Aussie Rugby League is the best Rugby League competition in the world. Don't think much of those Penrith Panthers though John, even if they did steal the Warriors coach.
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      Reply #7: Feb 15, 2015 10:52:19 pm
      You wait until Peter Wallace is holding up the trophy in September mate :D
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      Reply #8: Feb 15, 2015 11:47:14 pm
      Rugby League is the second best game in the world. Watch the Aussie competition - best players, best teams.

      I watch Rugby but as hard as I try I can't quite get a grasp of the rules. Seems like a fascinating game but I can't figure out the rules and tactics. Then isn't there a difference between Rugby and Aussie rules football?
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      Reply #9: Feb 16, 2015 12:37:23 am
      Rugby League is like the fan-friendly version of Rugby (Union).

      It's quicker, less complex rules and more attacking play.

      I don't even understand Rugby Union. Can't sit through ten minutes of it.

      And Aussie Rules is very different to both.
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      Reply #10: Feb 16, 2015 12:49:24 am
      I like quite a few of the different codes. My first love was Liverpool FC, became hooked when I went to my first game at the age of 5 when Liverpool played Man City. The other codes that I like are Rugby Union, Rugby League and American Football.

      I started watching Union when I was about 12 - about a year or so before England won the World cup. I tend not to take an awful lot of interest in the club games, it's more the international stage where my interest lies. My second favourite code though is American Football. Only started watching it a few years ago when Green Bay and Pittsburgh were in the Super Bowl. I didn't have a clue what was happening and was baffled as to why they call it a 60 minute game when it takes like 3 and a bit hours to complete :D I've since learned quite a few of the rules but still trying to learn terms like "the nickle package" etc haha. I've become completely hooked since I watched a Baltimore Ravens game. I became aware of them after watching 'The Blind Side' (such a great story). Tried to progress my learning of it year on year and I recently just finished watching my first whole season of College Football. 

      I attempt to start watching a few Aussie Rules games but lost interest after a bit.
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      Reply #11: Feb 16, 2015 02:29:12 am
      Rugby League is the second best game in the world. Watch the Aussie competition - best players, best teams.

      I went to a St Helens game in 2012 along with JD but back then I hardly knew the rules, and when you add the fact that the home team sucked on that night and was badly beaten, it did not leave a very positive memory for me. However, I did enjoy the experience and thought the game was promising - certainly faster than rugby union. So since then I've been meaning to watch a bit of rugby league but could not find the means to do it. It's not televised here and even watching through the internet can be difficult.

      Until recently, when I found this website that posts all televised games - it's not live, but that's ok to me.

      What I find odd about rugby league is how strongly it grew in Australia, but in all other places, union seems to be the bigger sport. Am I wrong in saying this?

      Anyway, I do like rugby union, especially competitions such as the Six Nations and the World Cup, but league has been growing on me those past few weeks. Really looking forward to next weekend's world club challenge.

      What's your NRL team mate?
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      Reply #12: Feb 16, 2015 03:08:14 am
      Yeah Rugby League is biggest in Australia. Probably because Union has established itself way before in the UK and NZ has the All Blacks so Rugby League falls away a little there. Not that it's small time anyway - just not as big.

      Union is big here too of course. But you rarely find someone in the street talking about the Rugby Union. The hysteria of the NSW Waratahs died down after a little while on the streets.

      I support the Penrith Panthers! Got knocked out in the semi finals last year but we can definitely go one better this year.
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      Reply #13: Feb 16, 2015 11:05:01 am
      Rugby League is like the fan-friendly version of Rugby (Union).

      It's quicker, less complex rules and more attacking play.

      I don't even understand Rugby Union. Can't sit through ten minutes of it.

      And Aussie Rules is very different to both.

      I'm the opposite mate.

      I was brought up on Union at school and don't get League at all.
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      Reply #14: Feb 16, 2015 11:13:00 am
      Yeah thats the thing i was referring to mate. More enthusiasts of the game exist in the UK/Wales and NZ just because it has established itself. Majority of the Rugby fan base here is the upper class in society.

      I think if someone unfamilar with both codes were to watch them, they would pick up Rugby League quicker.
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      Reply #15: Feb 16, 2015 11:57:21 am
      Other than union and league, both of which I watch internationals but generally not club, I very much enjoy having a look at Aussie rules whenever its on Eurosport or whatever. I think it's fun to watch and pretty exciting, wouldn't mind giving it a go myself if I ever get out to Aus, though it looks a very tough sport to play.
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      Reply #16: Feb 16, 2015 04:29:33 pm
      Other than union and league, both of which I watch internationals but generally not club, I very much enjoy having a look at Aussie rules whenever its on Eurosport or whatever. I think it's fun to watch and pretty exciting, wouldn't mind giving it a go myself if I ever get out to Aus, though it looks a very tough sport to play.

      You've gotta be bloody fit to play Aussie Rules. It is fun though.
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      Reply #17: Feb 17, 2015 11:50:21 am
      Grown up in Aussie Rules country, played it from 7 years old into my teens. Was a fan from the moment I could comprehend what sports were. Definitely my first love, AFL and the Port Adelaide Magpies/Power.

      Saying that, once I got into the world game and LFC they definitely took over as my #1 passion, but thats not to say I don't hold a fair amount for all of my various codes. Sports of all kinds are my life, can't get enough.

      Got into NFL in early 2000's, and then having lived over there for five years and gone to a successful University in regards to its football program (Oregon) I've probably been to more College football games than anything else and have a lot of love for the game.

      Rugby isn't huge in South Australia but I've always loved watching league, and follow Union. Do agree with Shamwow, League is far more accessible. Union can be great fun to watch, but some games are just like watching a trench war on a slow day. 
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      Reply #18: Feb 18, 2015 02:25:18 am
      Sports of all kinds are my life, can't get enough.

      Same here mate. One day I'll even give cricket a chance, as that's one of the few major team sports I've never watched a game.

      Do you have a team in the NRL?
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      Reply #19: Feb 18, 2015 02:28:52 am
      Same here mate. One day I'll even give cricket a chance, as that's one of the few major team sports I've never watched a game.

      Do you have a team in the NRL?

      If you're watching cricket then India v Pakistan and Australia v England is what you want.
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      Reply #20: Feb 18, 2015 09:09:04 am
      Same here mate. One day I'll even give cricket a chance, as that's one of the few major team sports I've never watched a game.

      Do you have a team in the NRL?

      Cricket is a brilliant game once you get it, and being a fan of baseball (a brilliant game in its nuances as you would know!) I think you'll enjoy it. As Crouch said, get into a few of the rivalries. I'm actually going to the World Cup final in a month as well! Hopefully the Aussies will be there :D

      Yeah I follow Wests Tigers, bit of a weird team to follow as they seem to either fly or completely sh*t the bed. Not as big into it the last few years having been over in the states, and I devoted any late nights I could to trying to keep up with my Aussie Rules, but been watching a bit since I've been back. Still prefer Aussie Rules so much more, but that's just personal preference. NRL is still terrific to watch.

      Also, I'm wearing an A's cap as I type this reply. Thought you'd approve :D
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      Reply #21: Feb 18, 2015 09:22:09 am
      I'm the opposite mate.

      I was brought up on Union at school and don't get League at all.


      That's us Grammar school kids for you mate.  :P

      I played union, cricket and football at school and was above average at all [but a way better footballer tbh] and although I could watch league at a push, I always found it as rounders is to baseball. Union and cricket were (back then anyhow) the domain of the middle class and as such were never going to be for me - a spawny kid from a rough, working-class back-ground.
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      Reply #22: Feb 18, 2015 04:44:06 pm
      That's us Grammar school kids for you mate.  :P

      I played union, cricket and football at school and was above average at all [but a way better footballer tbh] and although I could watch league at a push, I always found it as rounders is to baseball. Union and cricket were (back then anyhow) the domain of the middle class and as such were never going to be for me - a spawny kid from a rough, working-class back-ground.

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      Reply #23: Feb 18, 2015 05:50:40 pm
      Union...every time for me thank you very much. I was born in the 70's to a Welsh father and Scouse mother, so there was only ever going to be one colour for me - RED. Obviously, that was further aided by the fact that during the 70's and 80's they were halcyon times for both reds that played and plied their trades with such attacking and exciting fervour.

      Both teams were easy on the eye. Unlike your England or Chelsea of today who just kill the game stone dead with their negative tactics. The Welsh and the Irish play Union the way it should be played and it's one of the reasons as to why such delight is taken when they beat the middle-classed, toffee nosed, boring, stop 'n start, ruck and maul Saxons ;D

      I found League to be boring, but I can see why League is the preference down under though. It's a different beast there and it's all about all out attack and obviously exciting to watch. 
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      Reply #24: Feb 18, 2015 06:11:36 pm
      Cricket is a brilliant game once you get it, and being a fan of baseball (a brilliant game in its nuances as you would know!) I think you'll enjoy it. As Crouch said, get into a few of the rivalries. I'm actually going to the World Cup final in a month as well! Hopefully the Aussies will be there :D

      Yeah I follow Wests Tigers, bit of a weird team to follow as they seem to either fly or completely sh*t the bed. Not as big into it the last few years having been over in the states, and I devoted any late nights I could to trying to keep up with my Aussie Rules, but been watching a bit since I've been back. Still prefer Aussie Rules so much more, but that's just personal preference. NRL is still terrific to watch.

      Also, I'm wearing an A's cap as I type this reply. Thought you'd approve :D

      Yeah, I used to make fun of baseball as a boring game before I actually got to watch and understand it, and totally understand that cricket might be an enjoyable sport once I go through the same process with it. A big difficulty would be to get to watch it here in Brazil, but I plan to give it a shot when (and if) I go to England for my studies.

      I haven't watched a NRL game yet but will do so in the next couple of days, as I get ready for the World Club Challenge on Sunday - I want to have an idea of what I should be expecting from the Rabbitohs.

      I certainly do approve the A's cap! :D

      As for the Union fans around, I've been reading a book about its history (A Game for Hooligans, very good read) and I must say I'm not a huge fan of the whole amateur ideal that in my eyes seriously hindered the progress of the sport, which could be much bigger if not for some very snobbish conceptions. I've just read a passage about the IRB's treatment of Canadian rugby, for instance, and just like their treament of many other nations where the game wasn't so far evolved, rugby history seems to be full of missed opportunities. Rugby Union's relationship with Apartheid South Africa is also a stain in the game's trajectory.

      I must admit I sympathize with the fact rugby league is a bit of a northern working class game, and it also seems to be more of a people's game in Australia, by the little I know of it.
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      Reply #25: Feb 18, 2015 06:28:05 pm
      Yeah, I used to make fun of baseball as a boring game before I actually got to watch and understand it

      I completely  understand it and I still make fun of it as a boring game....because it is! :D
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      Reply #26: Feb 18, 2015 06:54:05 pm
      Ha ha... To be fair, being above average isn't exactly the most extravagant of claims HSBC.  ;)
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      Reply #27: Feb 18, 2015 07:08:14 pm
      I completely  understand it and I still make fun of it as a boring game....because it is! :D

      Average median time for NFL is 3hrs 12mins; Baseball is 3hrs 14mins. They even manage to eek out 2hrs 15mins+ for a basketball game.

      Does the time spent at these events play a part? I'd imagine all of the delays and stop starts would spoil the viewing enjoyment and detract from the fans interaction.
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      Reply #28: Feb 18, 2015 07:21:30 pm
      Average median time for NFL is 3hrs 12mins; Baseball is 3hrs 14mins. They even manage to eek out 2hrs 15mins+ for a basketball game.

      Does the time spent at these events play a part? I'd imagine all of the delays and stop starts would spoil the viewing enjoyment and detract from the fans interaction.

      NFL takes so long because the clock stops after incomplete passes or when the ball goes out of bounds. So the 12 minute quarters could last considerably longer depending on whether the game is pass heavy (vs run heavy where the clock typically runs more) and also the coaches have 3 timeouts they can use per half. Also, because of the TV sponsorship money, there are regular commercial breaks during the game (which is highly irritating).

      In Baseball...there are similar commercial breaks and stoppages between innings. The difference between Football and Baseball though is that when the clock is running during an NFL game, it's exciting...whereas most of a baseball game is waiting for the pitcher to stop scratching his balls or shrugging off the catcher's signals or throwing to 1st base to keep the runner one, etc......

      Games are actually better to watch in person even with the starting and stopping and I will concede that a Baseball game should only be watched in person if at all. It's a much better experience although still boring as hell to me.

      At NFL games there is an "experience" of being at the game (maybe not so different as in soccer) that keeps you pretty tuned in even when there are stoppages.

      Plus we are just used to it at this point. It's like when I try to explain soccer to my friends that don't watch it. They can't believe there are no commercials, no timeouts, etc....

      It's one of the reasons I really started being drawn to it...I like the non-stop aspect.
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      Reply #29: Feb 20, 2015 06:54:10 pm
      It's one of the reasons I really started being drawn to it...I like the non-stop aspect.

      It's one of the main reasons rugby league is so cool.

      However, I think think football (soccer) is the most aesthetically pleasing sport to watch, and generally rugby league does not come close in that aspect.

      It's fun as hell though, I've been enjoying it. This Sunday Saints and Rabbitohs face each other for the world championship trophy.
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      Reply #30: Feb 21, 2015 09:00:04 am
      Love rugby, 6 nations season is amazing and the world cup later too! Might be able to make it to all the games at Murrayfield this year if I can get my grubby mitts on those Scotland vs Ireland tickets I really want.
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      Reply #31: Apr 08, 2015 05:00:18 pm
      In my eternal quest to watch every single collective sport that is played with at least an ounce of seriousness around the world, I'm now officially interested in the AFL (Australian Football League)!

      I have a new boss at work who is Australian and supposedly a big AFL fan. She's convinced me to give it a try - says it's even better than rugby league.

      Hurry up John if you want to influence my decision on which team I'll pick, because David (bigv) has already introduced me to Port Adelaide... ;D

      Oh and I also found a website where I could watch some Gaelic Football games! Saw a couple of videos about the sport on youtube and it's pretty insane, looks like they put a lot of different sports in a mixer and came up with a new one.
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      Reply #32: Apr 09, 2015 04:39:27 pm
      In my eternal quest to watch every single collective sport that is played with at least an ounce of seriousness around the world, I'm now officially interested in the AFL (Australian Football League)!

      I have a new boss at work who is Australian and supposedly a big AFL fan. She's convinced me to give it a try - says it's even better than rugby league.

      Hurry up John if you want to influence my decision on which team I'll pick, because David (bigv) has already introduced me to Port Adelaide... ;D

      Oh and I also found a website where I could watch some Gaelic Football games! Saw a couple of videos about the sport on youtube and it's pretty insane, looks like they put a lot of different sports in a mixer and came up with a new one.

      Mate you'll love this then.

      Quote from Wikipedia: International Rules Series
      The International Rules Series is a senior men's international rules football competition between the Australia international rules football team (selected by the Australian Football League) and the Ireland international rules football team (selected by the Gaelic Athletic Association). The series is played twice every three years in October and November after the completion of the AFL Grand Final and the All-Ireland Football Final which are both traditionally played in late September. The matches are played using a set of compromise rules decided upon by both the two governing bodies; known formally as international rules football. While the International Rules Series matches use some rules from Australian rules football, the field, ball and uniforms of both teams are all from Gaelic football.

      The two teams contest a trophy, which in 2004 was named the Cormac McAnallen Cup—after the Tyrone team captain Cormac McAnallen, whose death that year from a heart condition came after he had represented Ireland in the previous three series.

      The concept for the series originates from the Australian Football World Tour, which took place in 1967. The first series took place in Ireland in 1984 under a three match format, whereby the team accumulating the most wins from the series gained victory. Following poor Australian crowds and relative lack of interest in 1990, the series was revived in 1998 under a two match aggregate points format.[1] In a bid to revitalise the public interest in the concept, the 2014 series was reduced to a one-off test match featuring exclusively All-Australian players.

      The series alternates host countries each appropriate year between Ireland and Australia. Since the commencement of the modern era series in 1998, the average attendance up to the conclusion of the 2011 series was 44,746. Only once has any test sold out in Australia, in Perth in 2003. The first entire series to sell out was in Ireland in 2006 when a combined record crowd of 112,127 was set, as well as the largest international sports fixture at Croke Park for the second test.

      The tests were indefinitely postponed by the GAA in 2007 following the 2006 Series, citing a series of violent onfield incidents.[2] However, the series resumed in October 2008 in Australia, after the GAA and AFL reached collective agreement on a revised set of rules. The 2013 series was notable for the inclusion of an Australian team made up of exclusively Indigenous players, known as the Indigenous All Stars.[3]

      In the most recent series, which was reduced to a one off test match (2014 International Rules Test) was won by Australia, their first win in 4 years. The win levelled the overall series wins at 9-9. However, Ireland lead the overall matches won 20-17.

      It gets very heated:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quSrUcL2SSM#

      But the standard of play is still excellent:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIuMyeoR8f8#ws

      Really wish it was more than once a year and more countries could get involved.
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      Reply #33: Apr 09, 2015 06:14:09 pm
      Mate you'll love this then.

      It gets very heated:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quSrUcL2SSM#

      But the standard of play is still excellent:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIuMyeoR8f8#ws

      Really wish it was more than once a year and more countries could get involved.

      Haha this is just awesome.

      How can someone not love sports?

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