Is Colin Pascoe a good enough assistant or do we need a new one.

I'm not sure how we can learn anything from the clips we see of their interactions on match days mate.

It's bad enough that people bang on about what we should be spending without knowing the first thing about FFP.

The same bunch then talk about sticking two up top without having a basic grasp of how the game is played tactically.

Now we are meant to work out whether or not Pascoe is a good assistant coach by analysing his ****ing body language when he is chatting to Brendan.

I know...I always assumed Pasco was looking at porn he had hidden on his clip board.

That's why the pages are laminated!

It really is embarrassing. What do we want, the manager and his assistant having an argument in the dugout about who should come on?  . Shanks would've stood for that wouldn't he, or Benitez?

It's a very silly argument and Luke would do himself no harm if he dropped it.

On form again Mick, misinterpreting words and throwing about silly little insults rather than bringing anything meaningful to the debate. Surprised you didn't get +5 for that to be honest, mustn't be giving out enough of that ale

What I actually said was Brendan could do with someone who challenged him, didn't just bring "yes" to the table and someone who had the confidence to suggest a change when it becomes obvious a change is necessary. Again, for the hard of understanding, we've seen in the match threads many times that things have been obvious they're not working, sometimes as early as the first 10 minutes, yet it's left until half-time before a change happens, or sometimes not even then! We've seen tactics deployed that have very little chance of success from the outset, for instance against the Mancs, yet we still manage to get to match day believing they're correct. Don't you think it's the role of an assistant to point out the obvious flaws in tactics/formations or should he just sit there smiling inanely blissfully unaware of his role until he is told his opinion?

Colin and Brendan literally get shown like once or twice a match when I watch games.  How in the world would anyone be able to discern what's going on between him and Brendan the other 99.4% of the time that they aren't shown speaking or consulting?

On form again Mick, misinterpreting words and throwing about silly little insults rather than bringing anything meaningful to the debate. Surprised you didn't get +5 for that to be honest, mustn't be giving out enough of that ale

What I actually said was Brendan could do with someone who challenged him, didn't just bring "yes" to the table and someone who had the confidence to suggest a change when it becomes obvious a change is necessary. Again, for the hard of understanding, we've seen in the match threads many times that things have been obvious they're not working, sometimes as early as the first 10 minutes, yet it's left until half-time before a change happens, or sometimes not even then! We've seen tactics deployed that have very little chance of success from the outset, for instance against the Mancs, yet we still manage to get to match day believing they're correct. Don't you think it's the role of an assistant to point out the obvious flaws in tactics/formations or should he just sit there smiling inanely blissfully unaware of his role until he is told his opinion?

It kind of doesn't really matter how many times you repeat something which is palpably nonsense, it remains nonsense. Now just to join in with the silly little game for a second, how do you know that the assistant manager doesn't "challenge" the manager? How do you know that it wasn't the assistant manager's idea to play 3-4-3, or to play with two up top rather than one last season? That's the thing see, you don't. You don't have the faintest idea what is going on in their relationship, neither do any of us. Because of that, having a debate on how good Pascoe is as an assistant manager is utterly pointless. Pascoe is as good as an assistant manager as Brendan is as a manager, they work as a pair until Brendan decides otherwise.

That some of us aren't prepared to speculate on their relationship based on how many times Colin nods when he and Brendan are in conversation is obviously quite frustrating for you, but I'm afraid it's basic common sense.   

It kind of doesn't really matter how many times you repeat something which is palpably nonsense, it remains nonsense. Now just to join in with the silly little game for a second, how do you know that the assistant manager doesn't "challenge" the manager? How do you know that it wasn't the assistant manager's idea to play 3-4-3, or to play with two up top rather than one last season? That's the thing see, you don't. You don't have the faintest idea what is going on in their relationship, neither do any of us. Because of that, having a debate on how good Pascoe is as an assistant manager is utterly pointless. Pascoe is as good as an assistant manager as Brendan is as a manager, they work as a pair until Brendan decides otherwise.

That some of us aren't prepared to speculate on their relationship based on how many times Colin nods when he and Brendan are in conversation is obviously quite frustrating for you, but I'm afraid it's basic common sense.   

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It kind of doesn't really matter how many times you repeat something which is palpably nonsense, it remains nonsense. Now just to join in with the silly little game for a second, how do you know that the assistant manager doesn't "challenge" the manager? How do you know that it wasn't the assistant manager's idea to play 3-4-3, or to play with two up top rather than one last season? That's the thing see, you don't. You don't have the faintest idea what is going on in their relationship, neither do any of us. Because of that, having a debate on how good Pascoe is as an assistant manager is utterly pointless. Pascoe is as good as an assistant manager as Brendan is as a manager, they work as a pair until Brendan decides otherwise.

That some of us aren't prepared to speculate on their relationship based on how many times Colin nods when he and Brendan are in conversation is obviously quite frustrating for you, but I'm afraid it's basic common sense.

Agreed.
This whole thread is F***ing nonsense.

Anybody know what kind of car he drives or if he possess any self portraits?

The "shorts" thing is pretty sly on Colin's part to detract from the fact that his teeth are not quite at the same stage as the gaffer.



This guy however is trouble, you can see he is hiding something.





And our masseuses need to get a little sexier if we are going to compete; I am sorry I am sure they are nice fellas but this is not Premier league quality and just not good enough.

On form again Mick, misinterpreting words and throwing about silly little insults rather than bringing anything meaningful to the debate. Surprised you didn't get +5 for that to be honest, mustn't be giving out enough of that ale

What I actually said was Brendan could do with someone who challenged him, didn't just bring "yes" to the table and someone who had the confidence to suggest a change when it becomes obvious a change is necessary. Again, for the hard of understanding, we've seen in the match threads many times that things have been obvious they're not working, sometimes as early as the first 10 minutes, yet it's left until half-time before a change happens, or sometimes not even then! We've seen tactics deployed that have very little chance of success from the outset, for instance against the Mancs, yet we still manage to get to match day believing they're correct. Don't you think it's the role of an assistant to point out the obvious flaws in tactics/formations or should he just sit there smiling inanely blissfully unaware of his role until he is told his opinion?

For us "hard of understanding" can you please tell us what Brendan and his assistant were discussing in the last match and how much agreement and disagreement there was about tactics and substitutions and so on? 

It kind of doesn't really matter how many times you repeat something which is palpably nonsense, it remains nonsense. Now just to join in with the silly little game for a second, how do you know that the assistant manager doesn't "challenge" the manager? How do you know that it wasn't the assistant manager's idea to play 3-4-3, or to play with two up top rather than one last season? That's the thing see, you don't. You don't have the faintest idea what is going on in their relationship, neither do any of us. Because of that, having a debate on how good Pascoe is as an assistant manager is utterly pointless. Pascoe is as good as an assistant manager as Brendan is as a manager, they work as a pair until Brendan decides otherwise.

That some of us aren't prepared to speculate on their relationship based on how many times Colin nods when he and Brendan are in conversation is obviously quite frustrating for you, but I'm afraid it's basic common sense.   

Wrong again Mick, doesn't frustrate me in the slightest. Also the fact you wont speculate, you don't need to you've already formed an opinion of Colin, your prerogative if you share it or not, I choose to share mine.

As for FL saying "we only see him once or twice a match" you're not paying very close attention to the match then are you, you see him many, many times during a match and we've had 3 years of watching him many, many times in matches. You've also seen him pre-match, post-match, interviews, if you haven't managed to form an opinion of him yet then I simply don't believe you.

"yes-man"
nouninformal
a weak person who always agrees with their political leader or their superior at work.
synonyms:   sycophant, toady, lackey, flunkey, minion, stooge, kowtower, truckler, groveller, crawler, creep, fawner, flatterer, lickspittle, Uriah Heep, puppet, cat's paw, instrument, pawn, underling, hanger-on, camp follower, doormat, spaniel;

sums it up pretty well.

I'd let it go mate. You're a good poster but it's getting to the point where I'm embarrassed FOR you. The more you dig the worse it's getting.

Wrong again Mick, doesn't frustrate me in the slightest. Also the fact you wont speculate, you don't need to you've already formed an opinion of Colin, your prerogative if you share it or not, I choose to share mine.

As for FL saying "we only see him once or twice a match" you're not paying very close attention to the match then are you, you see him many, many times during a match and we've had 3 years of watching him many, many times in matches. You've also seen him pre-match, post-match, interviews, if you haven't managed to form an opinion of him yet then I simply don't believe you.

"yes-man"
nouninformal
a weak person who always agrees with their political leader or their superior at work.
synonyms:   sycophant, toady, lackey, flunkey, minion, stooge, kowtower, truckler, groveller, crawler, creep, fawner, flatterer, lickspittle, Uriah Heep, puppet, cat's paw, instrument, pawn, underling, hanger-on, camp follower, doormat, spaniel;

sums it up pretty well.

I think the crux of this.. debate.. is that you think you can infer certain things from the instances of interaction between BR and CP, whereas a few others (myself included), are of the opinion it's nigh on impossible to effectively analyse two people's relationship from a very small sample of footage. In the interest of debate (and because I think the question itself is a fair one), I'll ask if you could recall or point to any specific examples of body language or any other indicator of subservient "yes man" behaviour from our assistant manager.

I'm still curious as to how Luke knows what's being said between Colin and Brendan?

That's like saying you know what Brendan's half time talk is about.

I am waiting for the match-day thread where Colin stands up and scratches himself or lifts an ass cheek from the bench to let one and people start raging "WTF was that Colin?", "Where's the effort Colin?" "You missed a sitter Colin!"

Do any of our resident body language experts want to weigh in on Sterling's or Allen's goal celebrations last night?

I'd let it go mate. You're a good poster but it's getting to the point where I'm embarrassed FOR you. The more you dig the worse it's getting.

Look in the mirror Mick, as you say Luke is a good poster.

As far as number 2's go, Rafa was never the same after Pako left.

I know it means little, but the point is a good number 2 can be hugely influential on the manager.

Bang on.

I think the crux of this.. debate.. is that you think you can infer certain things from the instances of interaction between BR and CP, whereas a few others (myself included), are of the opinion it's nigh on impossible to effectively analyse two people's relationship from a very small sample of footage. In the interest of debate (and because I think the question itself is a fair one), I'll ask if you could recall or point to any specific examples of body language or any other indicator of subservient "yes man" behaviour from our assistant manager.

Thanks for adding something constructive to the debate.

In answer to your question, no I can't point to specific examples like 23rd minute against Man Utd, I don't have a memory that precise unfortunately and would be surprised if anyone could. It is however a consistent theme that I observe of:

A man that doesn't instigate a conversation with Brendan when we're losing.
A man that when involved in a conversation with Brendan is always nodding, always affirming his ideas.
You'll notice many times Brendan goes over, hand cupped backwards whispering to him and there Colin is nodding away as usual minimum input whatsoever and then clipboard out.

When interviewed he reminds me very much of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6O0P74ALLM#

It's cliche after cliche and you could write the responses he would give without even listening to the interview.
Tim-nice-but-dim.

He's a guy that is batting way above his station, he's landed a job at the top table by luck more than substance and loving it, fair play to him for that but it doesn't mean he's shielded from criticism or observation because in my opinion it's not what we or Brendan need.

Interesting little write up on yes men that I wholeheartedly agree with (being self-employed myself I would never employ a yes man and perhaps that's where my disdain for them comes from).

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/grant-feller/michael-gove-education_b_4715534.html

What a weird thread for arguments to break out in 
Colin Pascoe, look at the trouble you've caused! 

Can't actually say I've paid much attention to the interaction between Brendan and Colin. I suppose Colin nodding along to everything Brendan says, is preferable to him shaking his head and rolling his eyes 

Can't actually say I've paid much attention to the interaction between Brendan and Colin. I suppose Colin nodding along to everything Brendan says, is preferable to him shaking his head and rolling his eyes 

I know you're joking mate but it rasies an interesting point.

If a manager had to be continually asking his number 2's opinion and then goes with that against his own judgement it begs a question if the manager is up to the job in the first place doesn't it?

I think the whole 'Yes Man' thing is being blown way out of proportion here especially in relation to coaching a football team and I'd much rather the boss had his own people around him who he was comfortable working with and who all shared a similar outlook and goal.

If that isn't enough for some then maybe they have the wrong guy in charge.

I think Brendan has an unshakable belief in himself to succeed, and all he wants is people around him to ensure things are being carried out the way he believes is the way to take us forward.

Personally I see nothing wrong with that!