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      Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy

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      what-a-hit-son
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #46: Apr 27, 2015 09:01:38 pm
      Fancy seeing you in here AP.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #47: Apr 27, 2015 09:02:27 pm

      Indeed and now we have his cold hard facts and its source

      Similar debt levels now on the club as when G&H were there, if you check out the Swiss ramble blog.

      « Last Edit: Apr 27, 2015 10:12:11 pm by AZPatriot »
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #48: Apr 27, 2015 10:11:15 pm
      Very good news if they will hire a competent Director of Football, if they leave the transfers all on Rodgers's shoulders, we're doomed.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #49: Apr 27, 2015 10:17:10 pm
      Very good news if they will hire a competent Director of Football, if they leave the transfers all on Rodgers's shoulders, we're doomed.

      Why? Rodgers wanted Sanchez, Costa, Benzema, Willian, Mkhitaryan and Konoplyanka which he didn't get. He wants Dempay, Milner and Papadopoulos. Now please, out of that list, tell me who you wouldn't take because the majority of people on this forum wanted and want these players to sign. So please, enlighten us with your expert eye and tell us who you wouldn't want and why you wouldn't want them?
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #50: Apr 27, 2015 10:25:52 pm
      Why? Rodgers wanted Sanchez, Costa, Benzema, Willian, Mkhitaryan and Konoplyanka which he didn't get. He wants Dempay, Milner and Papadopoulos. Now please, out of that list, tell me who you wouldn't take because the majority of people on this forum wanted and want these players to sign. So please, enlighten us with your expert eye and tell us who you wouldn't want and why you wouldn't want them?

      You don't know that mate stop making stuff up about who he or the TC wants, esp with his track record of wanting Allen, Borini and the 3L's last year.
      Only credible links with Rodgers I have heard is Delph, Milner and Ings take your pick.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #51: Apr 27, 2015 10:27:58 pm
      Why? Rodgers wanted Sanchez, Costa, Benzema, Willian, Mkhitaryan and Konoplyanka which he didn't get. He wants Dempay, Milner and Papadopoulos. Now please, out of that list, tell me who you wouldn't take because the majority of people on this forum wanted and want these players to sign. So please, enlighten us with your expert eye and tell us who you wouldn't want and why you wouldn't want them?

      Rodgers didn't want Sturridge, wanted to loan out Henderson, said Lovren will be our leader at the back, he said numerous times that the players signed in the summer were his signings.

      Benzema ?  :lmao: I bet he wanted Messi aswell.

      Mkhtaryan was a failed transfer for Dortmund, why do you think he would have done well here ? Willian made the medical visit here, and prefered Chelsea, Sanchez was lured by Wenger, because he had more faith in him than in Rodgers, and every world-class player would rather join a side led by a proven manager (Wenger, Mourinho) than join one led by a clueless one.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #52: Apr 27, 2015 10:28:55 pm
      You don't know that mate stop making stuff up about who he or the TC wants, esp with his track record of wanting Allen, Borini and the 3L's last year.
      Only credible links with Rodgers I have heard is Delph, Milner and Ings take your pick.

      So Brendan only wanted the players you don't rate and the committee signed all the one's you do?

      Not sure it works like that mate.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #53: Apr 27, 2015 10:38:33 pm
      So Brendan only wanted the players you don't rate and the committee signed all the one's you do?

      Not sure it works like that mate.

      Not all obviously and at the time you cant tell but during a season you hear from journo's the way Rodgers treats players and you can see what I have said is true.

      He wanted Ashley Williams instead of Sakho
      Didn't want Sturridge
      Rafa recommended Coutinho
      Wanted that full back from Swansea (cant remember his name)
      And the ones I have listed above yes all his signings.

      Did he want Messi, Ronaldo sure of course but was not going to happen.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #54: Apr 27, 2015 10:39:43 pm
      So Brendan only wanted the players you don't rate and the committee signed all the one's you do?

      Not sure it works like that mate.

      :)
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #55: Apr 27, 2015 10:40:38 pm
      I have repeated many times Rodgers is young and has virtually no experience in the transfer market especially in Europe he needs help from a TC or DoF as his track record is poor.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #56: Apr 27, 2015 10:43:11 pm
      Indeed and now we have his cold hard facts and its source

      http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uft7aO3O6f8/VPyIb1oXvkI/AAAAAAAAIMs/LAoeaeXQgVM/s1600/23%2BLiverpool%2BDebt%2B2014.jpg

      Described by your boss John Henry as "an excellent blog", this is what they have to say:-

      "Net debt has increased by £12 million from £114 million to £126 million. As there are only modest cash balances of less than £500,000, gross debt is £127 million"

      LINK
      http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Liverpool
      BTW net debt on the club directly (not the holding chain of cos) was 110m net in 2009 and 123m net in 2010.

      Just like Cecil says Fenway are "the bottom of the barrel".
      Found the money to leech off the club. Didn't find a penny to fix the club.

      Oh, and managed to increase ticket prices around 50% in the time they've been here.
      So John clearly has a lot of admiration for the "liverpool way".
      NOT
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      Lets have a look at league positions, cowboys v1 and cowboys v2

      season  position
      COWBOYS V1
      2006-07      3   
      2007-08      4   
      2008-09      2   
      2009-10      7

      SHAMWAY   


      2010-11      6   
      2011-12      8   
      2012-13      7   
      2013-14      2



      sh*t before Shamway. F**k all done to fix the club. And sh*t under Shamway.
      Looks like you and your bosses propaganda campaign is starting to fall apart.

       xxxxx:action-smiley-065:
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #57: Apr 27, 2015 10:44:51 pm
      I have repeated many times Rodgers is young and has virtually no experience in the transfer market especially in Europe he needs help from a TC or DoF as his track record is poor.

      He gets 'help' from a TC right now and has done in his entitre time here.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #58: Apr 27, 2015 10:48:09 pm
      He gets 'help' from a TC right now and has done in his entitre time here.

      And that's why the TC have said he will not get a free round next time round in the decisions

      ie veto will be used.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #59: Apr 27, 2015 11:01:30 pm
      http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uft7aO3O6f8/VPyIb1oXvkI/AAAAAAAAIMs/LAoeaeXQgVM/s1600/23%2BLiverpool%2BDebt%2B2014.jpg

      Described by your boss John Henry as "an excellent blog", this is what they have to say:-

      "Net debt has increased by £12 million from £114 million to £126 million. As there are only modest cash balances of less than £500,000, gross debt is £127 million"

      LINK
      http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Liverpool
      BTW net debt on the club directly (not the holding chain of cos) was 110m net in 2009 and 123m net in 2010.

      Just like Cecil says Fenway are "the bottom of the barrel".
      Found the money to leech off the club. Didn't find a penny to fix the club.

      Oh, and managed to increase ticket prices around 50% in the time they've been here.
      So John clearly has a lot of admiration for the "liverpool way".
      NOT
      ________________________ ________________________ ________

      Lets have a look at league positions, cowboys v1 and cowboys v2

      season  position
      COWBOYS V1
      2006-07      3   
      2007-08      4   
      2008-09      2   
      2009-10      7

      SHAMWAY   


      2010-11      6   
      2011-12      8   
      2012-13      7   
      2013-14      2



      Sh*t before Shamway. F**k all done to fix the club. And sh*t under Shamway.
      Looks like you and your bosses propaganda campaign is starting to fall apart.

       xxxxx:action-smiley-065:

      Funny he also says:

      It was a similarly positive story off the pitch, as Liverpool reported their first profit in seven years after revenue surged by 24% to a record £256 million, despite receiving no benefit from European football. These figures were testament to the financial progress the club has made since it was purchased in October 2010 by Fenway Sports Group (FSG), the American investment company run by John W. Henry. The good news did not end there, as it came hot on the heels of UEFA clearing the club of any breaches of their Financial Fair Play (FFP) regulations.

      http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Liverpool



      It is worth noting that the net interest payable of £4.6 million has come down significantly since the bad old days of the Tom Hicks and George Gillett regime, when it peaked at £17.6 million in 2010. That said, it is one of the higher interest payable figures in the Premier League, albeit nowhere near as much as Manchester United £27 million and Arsenal £13 million

      The last time that Liverpool reported a profit was back in 2007/08 with £10 million. Since then, the club has registered substantial losses, amounting to £176 million over the five years leading up to 2013/14, including an average of £47 million for the last three seasons. In fairness, many of these losses have been due to FSG having to spend substantial sums on player recruitment in order to repair the damage caused by the previous owners’ lack of investment in the squad.

      Basically, player sales have gone from boosting profits (or at least reducing losses) to being a drag on the financials. This will, of course, change in the 2014/15 figures, as this season will include the lucrative sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona, reported in various media outlets as being between £65 million and £75 million.


      So all seems pretty positive...guess you have SRD (selective reading disorder)

      Jog on and tell Tom & George and Duncan to try harder next time.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #60: Apr 27, 2015 11:02:07 pm
      And that's why the TC have said he will not get a free round next time round in the decisions

      ie veto will be used.

      So you believe that Rodgers has selected every player on his own and the TC have went along with it?

      You don't believe that he's at the mercy of the players identified by the TC as viable?
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #61: Apr 27, 2015 11:02:57 pm
      They have the muscle, but they don't want to put it into LFC.
      Similar debt levels now on the club as when G&H were there, if you check out the Swiss ramble blog.
      And all these mythical losses were just tax dodges like Hicks 50m pound pictures from his architect mate.

      In other words, they took over a Liverpool that had received some damage, but not gigantic amounts.
      They found 300m to buy us, but contrary to the propaganda and pr guff, they never put anything in to fix us.

      Lots of flannel and buzzwords "self sustaining", "we won the World Series", "Financial Fair Play", "leveraging the storied brand", "we saved you from oblivion, proles". They all fed off the fans hope like Dracula feeding on a jugular.

      But beyond all that, what did they provide to fix us? Sweet FA.

      A football club can't fix itself. Certainly not with a rookie like BR. |It might have a good year, then a bad one... or 4.5 in our case. But successful clubs are spending clubs. We did nothing to overtake Man C, Chelsea and Manc U. Our only hope was to leapfrog Arse FC. But when they started buying players like Sanchez, it was clear that wasnt gonna happen. Especially as we sold every big name we had, thanks to the Moneyball (aka selling club) sh*te.

      A club needs a substantial net investment annually just to stand still (players age/lose it thro injury etc) . But often we havent even done that, or even kept player wages consistent.

      Even this new stand (or should I say "corporate tw*t palace) isn't gonna give us an income for SEVEN YEARS. (Thanks again Yanks!) And I suspect they'll be long gone with the cash by then.

      So we never were gonna claw back up. All we had was promises, pr spin and some magic pixie dust from Johnny Henry, Fedexed in from Boston.

      The plants and the parrots will type away with the canned pr slogans. But its just words from them.
      To fix something you need to spend something.

      I couldn't fix a car by spouting crappy catchphrases. And you can't fix a football club by it either.

      Taxi for Fenway.  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:

      Can't say it any better. +1. It is as clear as a sky and it has been said many times before by many knowledeable fans here that FSG real intentions of owning the club here is to make money. Who doesn't? But they have to realise that the fans existed so that they too co-exist, but the numbers are dwindling alarmingly by the day as I suspect the fan base is not growing as we won nothing for the last few seasons. not even the League Cup They are reaping in the profits from our past successes and they can only stretch it by that much.

      In all fairness, to say they did not have a budget to buy players is also not true, but a meagre sum and buying players of 19 to 22 years old will not win us trophies. The recruitment process is in such a big mess that it needs a total revamp. Just imagine for the last 3 seasons if they had sanctioned 2 30 mil players we would have 6 by now and good enough to challenge for the PL.

      The whole set up is in a big mess, the recruitment policy, the manager who's a rookie, tactics, the resources available, quality of players acquired, the list goes on and on. I'd suggest that FSG set up a team to surf the net and see for themselves what fans are talking or writing about them in independent LFC websites or even FB, it is alarming. They can;t be all wrong at the same time.

      Many are not subscribing to paytv to watch the club play anymore, as what I've found out of late, as they are so disillusioned by the way the club is managed and the results that it hurt them more to watch the club play than not to. Well FSG, that's the reality out there.

      Reaping in the profits and not investing in the club on quality players will only take you that far, continue with that and we'll surely be a mid-table team or even struggling to stay up in the near future. Yes I'm pressing the panic button too soon just because I care and I don't want it to end up that way and by then FSG would most probably sell the club on the cheap as they have recovered their money and made profits out of it and the damage could be irrepairable.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #62: Apr 27, 2015 11:06:54 pm
      Many are not subscribing to paytv to watch the club play anymore, as what I've found out of late, as they are so disillusioned by the way the club is managed and the results that it hurt them more to watch the club play than not to. Well FSG, that's the reality out there.

      Wait...so these supporters are only willing to watch the team when we are successful? Over here in the states there's a name for fans like that. We call them "front runners".

      It's not a positive term mind you.


      YNWA not, YNWAALAWAW (You'll Never Walk Alone As Long As We Are Winning)
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      Reply #63: Apr 27, 2015 11:11:03 pm
      Rodgers didn't want Sturridge, wanted to loan out Henderson, said Lovren will be our leader at the back, he said numerous times that the players signed in the summer were his signings.

      Benzema ?  :lmao: I bet he wanted Messi aswell.

      Mkhtaryan was a failed transfer for Dortmund, why do you think he would have done well here ? Willian made the medical visit here, and prefered Chelsea, Sanchez was lured by Wenger, because he had more faith in him than in Rodgers, and every world-class player would rather join a side led by a proven manager (Wenger, Mourinho) than join one led by a clueless one.

      We have lost that succession chain of managers from the backroom staff years ago and getting a rookie manager in to compete against the mourinhos and wengers is purely asking the fans to suffer further. Players acquirement, tactics and the way the players are used (or not being used) to their strengths clearly shows that we need a world class manager that has won things before to turn things round. I have nothing against BR, I believe he is a good manager but he is simply not ready for the job. His results against those clubs above us to date clearly shows that. 
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #64: Apr 27, 2015 11:28:50 pm
      Wait...so these supporters are only willing to watch the team when we are successful? Over here in the states there's a name for fans like that. We call them "front runners".

      It's not a positive term mind you.


      YNWA not, YNWAALAWAW (You'll Never Walk Alone As Long As We Are Winning)


      Front runners, as you have named them, are everywhere. They don't watch the team play anymore doesn't mean that they have stopped supporting the club altogether. As in me, I've been supporting the club since 1974 as a young boy and I ain't gonna start supporting someone else that's winning things now. No way. It's more of a silent protest against the owners to make drastic changes, well, I'm just one tiny voice and I'm sure there're many out there. It's not a bother to FSG at all. Continue with the way things are and we shall see where we are in the next 5 years. I hope I'm proven wrong, I honestly do.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #65: Apr 27, 2015 11:31:46 pm
      Wait...so these supporters are only willing to watch the team when we are successful?

      It's a common phenomenon in life FL Red.  It's a bit like the people wanting to pay £500+ for a ticket to the Newcastle game last season but are surprisingly absent when we are playing Accrington Stanley in the 3rd round of the League Cup.

      Don't act surprised.

      Success (eg. Istanbul) seemingly creates new 'passionate fans' or 'customers'.  Failure helps them go shopping elsewhere.  I'd imagine of all the millions of Liverpool fans around the world there is a certain percentage who won't be fans for their entire life.

      Wonder how big that number is.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #66: Apr 27, 2015 11:58:58 pm
      It's almost May and we 'might' ditch the transfer committee. What a F***ing joke, these changes should have been made in November, when it became clear we'd wasted about 120m on sh*te.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #67: Apr 27, 2015 11:59:51 pm
      Wonder how big that number is.

      Depends how much we win! :D
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #68: Apr 28, 2015 01:43:49 am
      I think if we hadn't gone on that amazing run from the turn of the year these changes would have been made earlier but now seeing that the season has been an utter failure they have realised it's time for a change. If BR can't work under a DOF he is free to leave because there's no way we can appoint him as the sole transfer authority because he simply does not have any credentials tI think if we hadn't gone on that amazing run from the turn of the year these changes would have been made earlier but now seeing that the season has been an utter failure they have realised it's time for a change. If BR can't work under a DOF he is free to leave because there's no way we can appoint him as the sole transfer authority as he simply does not have the experience or credentials to back him up and at this point we simply can't afford another dud transfer window.

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