Hull City 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match debate

We really have capitulated since the Utd game, just shameful really from  our manager and players that the great institution that is Liverpool Football Club should be embarrassed by the likes of Sherwood, Pulis, Warnock and Bruce in one season.

The post Xmas run was fine, until you realise that Rodgers teams cant beat the top teams. The exception was when we had Suarez and Sturridge.

Atrocious til December. And atrocious after the Manc game. Just a 13 game reasonable run in the middle.

A very average squad, very average setup all round.

Last yr was the statistical outlier. The miracle of Suarez or whatever, assisted by a fully fit onfire Sturridge.

But look at all our league finishes since 2010. We'll finish where we deserve to finish given the quality of the squad, the management team and all the infrastructures. Probably 5th, maybe even 7th.

Check out the wage bill, the net spend and there is no reason to be surprised.

But back on the indiv match, imagine Rafa on the phone to Boston after the match. He'd be going ballistic.
Whereas BR, I doubt he's really bothered. Career manager. Will get another 30 yrs in management because he won't rock the boat with chairmen. Thats his "unique selling point".

Will you F**k off with your net spend sh*te, how much has Pulis and Bruce had to spend.
Time to face reality Rodgers is not performing even to par.

Will you f**k off with your net spend sh*te, how much has Pulis and Bruce had to spend.
Time to face reality Rodgers is not performing even to par.

What an idiotic comment. Hull won a "cup final". A sh*t team up for the fight against a former giant.
A former giant thats full of overhyped upper midtable players. Thats why they won.

Rodgers teams cant fight. They might have some skill, but they have zero winners. Winners cost money. The captain has "nice guy" written all over him. Just one eg. NO guts, not much skill.

I didnt want Rodgers. I couldnt even bear listening to him til last season (I'd literally swap channels/mute the tv). But I wont fall into the ready made scapegoat trap. We all know the causes of it all.

I look at that team and I just dont know whats worth salvaging.
OK Ibe and Sterling. Maybe Sturridge if he ever gets fit. Can yes. Maybe Sakho, Lovren and Skrtel.
But other than  that...? Coutinho is a good player, but a little overhyped so far IMO.

Atleast when Rafa and Kenny took over, I could see some real quality present.
We had Dudek, Haman, Gerrard, Hyypia, Carra, even Kewell if he ever got fit - when Rafa arrived.
And when Kenny arrived he could hit the ground running, even if there were gaps in the squad.
WTF is left now?

I look at that team and I just dont know whats worth salvaging.
OK Ibe and Sterling. Maybe Sturridge if he ever gets fit. Can yes. Maybe Sakho, Lovren and Skrtel.
But other than  that...? Coutinho is a good player, but a little overhyped so far IMO.

Atleast when Rafa and Kenny took over, I could see some real quality present.
We had Dudek, Haman, Gerrard, Hyypia, Carra, even Kewell if he ever got fit - when Rafa arrived.
And when Kenny arrived he could hit the ground running, even if there were gaps in the squad.
WTF is left now?

Ibe
Sterling
Lallana
Markovic
Sakho
Can
Coutinho
Lucas
Henderson
Skrtel
Sturridge

All easily worth keeping.

WTF is left now?

Sakho
Coutinho
Sturridge
Sterling
Markovic
Can
Ibe
Henderson
Lallana

To name a few.

This squad isn't full of sh*t.

Ibe
Sterling
Lallana
Markovic
Sakho
Can
Coutinho
Lucas
Henderson
Skrtel
Sturridge

All easily worth keeping.

Sturridge - fitness issues.
Skrtel - good not brilliant
Henderson - pale shadow of many of our recent midfielders, chronically overhyped
Lucas - great guy, professional, but injuries have been a massive blow for a PL player.
Coutinho- good but overhyped, not enought to build a team around in the Suarez/Torres/Gerrard fashion
Lallana- good player, but does he shout "top 4"? No, he shouts Spurs/Villa/Everton
Markovic- potential and may/may not ever make it.
Sakho - good player.

So thats got top 7 written all over it. Where's the world class? The leaders?
Its just a very average squad. Compare that to Rafa's best team. Or even Kenny's team.

Keeping hold of top players has been like keeping hold of water the past 4/5 yrs.
And now its showing.

Sturridge - fitness issues.
Skrtel - good not brilliant
Henderson - pale shadow of many of our recent midfielders, chronically overhyped
Lucas - great guy, professional, but injuries have been a massive blow for a PL player.
Coutinho- good but overhyped, not enought to build a team around in the Suarez/Torres/Gerrard fashion
Lallana- good player, but does he shout "top 4"? No, he shouts Spurs/Villa/Everton
Markovic- potential and may/may not ever make it.
Sakho - good player.

So thats got top 7 written all over it. Where's the world class? The leaders?
Its just a very average squad. Compare that to Rafa's best team. Or even Kenny's team.

Keeping hold of top players has been like keeping hold of water the past 4/5 yrs.
And now its showing.

I don't think there is any denying we are screaming out for a couple world class players. But to say we don't have a good squad from which to build is patently wrong in my opinion.

I don't think there is any denying we are screaming out for a couple world class players. But to say we don't have a good squad from which to build is patently wrong in my opinion.

It is wrong.

FSG have a lot to answer for.

But to say the manager is blameless for this season is missing the point by a fair margin.

This squad isn't full of sh*t.

5th in the PL wouldnt be "full of sh*t". Nor is it Liverpool standard tho.
But who do Man C/Chelsea etc lust after in the Lpool team?
No one, other than maybe Sterling for the future.

Its a Europa team. Relative to the top 4, its chronically average.
To get us to top 4 is likely to require a fair amt of work ie investment. AND for the youngsters to develop quickly.
And without experienced pros to learn from, that makes it all the harder for them.

We could only hope for big F**k ups by Arse and Manc Utd. And I cant see either of those F***ing it up over the Summer.

I don't think there is any denying we are screaming out for a couple world class players. But to say we don't have a good squad from which to build is patently wrong in my opinion.

We have a lot of "supporting cast members", so I think I agree on that.
I think we need a top  midfielder. A top number 9 and a 10.

So the 3 world class players are likely to cost over 100m in todays market.

We probabaly need better ie more experienced fullbacks. And a few odds and ends.

Much of it could have been prevented by buying real players eg a Yaya Toure rather than a Joe Allen early on.

I dont see Pogbas and Cavanis being signed. It likely to be another Switcheroo Summer.

It is wrong.

FSG have a lot to answer for.

But to say the manager is blameless for this season is missing the point by a fair margin.

But is the squad really any better than Spurs or whoever?
Im not even sure how well Rafa would do with these players.
Altho he WOULD have attracted better players. OR gone ballistic at the owners... and got sacked for it.

We have a lot of "supporting cast members", so I think I agree on that.
I think we need a top  midfielder. A top number 9 and a 10.

So the 3 world class players are likely to cost over 100m in todays market.

We probabaly need better ie more experienced fullbacks. And a few odds and ends.

Much of it could have been prevented by buying real players eg a Yaya Toure rather than a Joe Allen early on.

I dont see Pogbas and Cavanis being signed. It likely to be another Switcheroo Summer.

Well I'm not sure if I should play the lottery, but I think we've come to an agreement on something. I'm going to go outside and check to see if the sky is indeed falling.

But is the squad really any better than Spurs or whoever?

I think it is.

I also think it's good enough to be in the Cup Final right now.

And good enough to beat whoever the hell it was knocked us out of the Europa League.

I think it is.

I also think it's good enough to be in the Cup Final right now.

And good enough to beat whoever the hell it was knocked us out fo the Europa League.

I thought we were comprehensively fu**ed over in Europe. The gulf in execution was gigantic.
Clearly Rodgers and his team didn't have a clue. Against pretty piss average teams as well.

And I think many cup games are "nearly". Altho we were sh*t vs Villa.

So from this pt of view, we've regressed from the Kenny days.

I thought we were comprehensively fu**ed over in Europe. The gulf in execution was gigantic.
Clearly Rodgers and his team didn't have a clue. Against pretty piss average teams as well.

And I think many cup games are "nearly". Altho we were sh*t vs Villa.

So from this pt of view, we've regressed from the Kenny days.

Europe was an embarrassment this season.

Gutless performance. A lot of those players must not like the manager.

If I were Rodgers and had hopes of surviving the summer, I would be taking notes about who were the players not trying very hard to save my job.

Gutless performance. A lot of those players must not like the manager.

If I were Rodgers and had hopes of surviving the summer, I would be taking notes about who were the players not trying very hard to save my job.

He's need an A4 sheet mate.

The squad is fine apart from a striker and a top quality CM.

£60M worth of strike force at LFC and none can get into double figures, decent players have suddenly turned into sh*te, don't buy it.

Worrying times. Thanks god barman switched on Klopp shortly after we conceeded.. Generaly steril, with bits of playing but final ball was dreadfull. Johnson and Ibe the culprits, with Raheems lose dribbles and silly touches from Mario too obvious. Nervousnes at the back compounded as we kept gifting posession away. And points. We badly need a break. Talk to you after

F**k me just seen Luis score two stunners and lay off 3 assists while we were serving up that sh*te.

Where's some rope?

The squad is fine apart from a striker and a top quality CM.

£60M worth of strike force at LFC and none can get into double figures, decent players have suddenly turned into sh*te, don't buy it.

And the fact we play with WB's but only have Moreno who is suited to that position (well, from time to time) and CB's that are inconsistent or injury prone.

Another one I should be glad work caused me to miss?