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      Chelsea 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post match discussion

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      Re: Chelsea 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post match discussion
      Reply #400: May 10, 2015 11:54:40 pm
      Looks like everyone watched a different game to the one I did.  MOTM between Migs and Sterling for me.

      One of the worst games I've seen Henderson play in a while. Can at RB is just out of position, and was exploited repeatedly.

      Was good to see Sterling, Ibe, Sinclair on the pitch at the same time. Should start like that in the next game for me. We look a lot more threatening in the second half, but still pretty toothless overall.

      Can't wait for this season to be over, we haven't deserved top 4.

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      Reply #401: May 10, 2015 11:56:29 pm
      Was good to see Sterling, Ibe, Sinclair on the pitch at the same time. Should start like that in the next game for me.

      Will never happen.
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      Re: Chelsea 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post match discussion
      Reply #402: May 11, 2015 07:52:21 am
      One of them games where had Chelsea not already won the league then I have no doubts they would have gotten the win. We were better in the second half but it was still a performance that would have struggled to beat any other side at the same time because we had absolutely nothing in attack, sure we looked steady in midfield but the closer to the goal we got, there was nobody in a threatening position.
      Rickie Lambert I thought was an embarrassing performance for this club, he was utter sh*te, cost us a goal, offered nothing and looked like he was walking around sulking.

      Skrtel could easily have cost us a goal in the second half when he flew in on Hazard at the half way line and left us exposed. Luckily he made amends by stopping what would have probably of been a Fabregas goal.

      It was a performance of going through the motions and the best part of it was Gerrard slating the Chav fans after the game.
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      Reply #403: May 11, 2015 07:53:05 am
      1st 5 mins was not end of season, those chav c#@s kicked fuk out of our players, fabregazz shld have been off.

      After they scored we played well, should have won, 2nd half possession and chances was very good, just final pass was poor and as expected they defended well.
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      Re: Chelsea 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post match discussion
      Reply #404: May 11, 2015 08:52:48 am
      Look I might be wrong with numbers and figures but taking Gerrard of is just a stick to beat him with. A few weeks ago people were slagging him for not taking him off at half time.

      I agree in a way - I am not one of those who thought Steven had a particularly good game.  However the reasons Rodgers gave for withdrawing Gerrard seem to be the same 'we cant win this game' mentality that had a lot of the fans questioning the managers fight - just like at the Bernabeu.

      Gerrard does have the capacity to score a goal.  He should have been up front in the final 10 minutes of that game - not being replaced by Lucas.  A point was as good as a defeat under the circumstances.

      Rodgers probably believes a draw is a good result.  Liverpool fans will realise that it made our season end at least a game sooner than it could have.

      One of them games where had Chelsea not already won the league then I have no doubts they would have gotten the win.

      Pretty much agree.  Considering they had nothing to play for we should have easily out-performed them in the desire stakes.

      And I'd cut my losses on Marko too - and anyone coming back with 'don't be soft, he has bags of potential' MAY, only may, be right - I just don't see it for him in the PL and would bring in some cash for him. Have seen it with Aquilani, Borini etc, people backing them to the hilt, arguing for time, and making excuses, only to be completely full of sh*t - the fact is he's contributed nothing this season - so cutting losses on him now IS definitely an option.

      I was very very hopeful with regards to Markovic but I find myself nodding in agreement.  Andy Carroll showed far more promise in his first year than Markovic has and he was widely derided.
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      Reply #405: May 11, 2015 09:07:51 am

      Haha I look forward to his totally honest interviews when he's the manager, great stuff, thanks.
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      Reply #406: May 11, 2015 09:43:29 am
      With Gerrard gone next Season Brendan is going to find it even more difficult. I'd love to say that FSG will spend big but we all know that isn't going to happen.

      Souness hit the nail on the head, who do all these youngsters look up to next Season? Who guides them through their learning curves, who is (as Souness so eloquently put it) the standard bearer when Stevie goes?

      Who epitomises what we are about? First Carra, then Suarez and now Gerrard.

      The only other player i can think of is Skrtel, but at the rate we are f**king him about on his new contract he might be off too.

      It's no good having a class of potentially excellent kids if there is no teacher to guide them.

      FSG are an absolute f**king joke.

      Souness? He is a terrible pundit, looks tranquillized constantly and takes every opportunity to stick the knife in.
      Time to move on, no teachers, only players. That's it.
      No Carragher thinking he's the boss man. Telling more skilful players what they're doing wrong for example.
      Stop whinging. It's spoiling the place.
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      Re: Chelsea 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post match discussion
      Reply #407: May 11, 2015 09:58:14 am
      Souness? He is a terrible pundit, looks tranquillized constantly and takes every opportunity to stick the knife in.
      Time to move on, no teachers, only players. That's it.
      No Carragher thinking he's the boss man. Telling more skilful players what they're doing wrong for example.
      Stop whinging. It's spoiling the place.

      Souness is a f**king legend. This has nothing to do with him as a manger or a pundit. As for sticking the knife in, i take it you have a problem with one of our most successful players in history being sickened at the sight of what we are becoming?

      These are the words of a man who won everything as a player and lived, breathed and sh*t success.

      There's a lot more to football than skill fishpie, surely you are not that naive? Whinging? Please.

      Barring Lucas and Skrtel, there are no senior players left. Gerrard, Toure and Johnson are gone.

      Gerrard set the standard, it seems that some supporters are happy for that standard to drop.

      I'll tell you what's spoiling the place, the growing levels of acceptance creeping into our fanbase that we are where we should be etc.

      If you think we stand in good stead for next Season then i fear for you.
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      Re: Chelsea 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post match discussion
      Reply #408: May 11, 2015 10:02:32 am
      Draw probably right result. Great to see SG score again, and confound the incessant sniping at him from some tw*ts - again, someone who knows were the goal is - trumps f**king 'potential' every day. We might have nicked one or two more if our final ball had been better from multiple players, some decent approach play with poor delivery. A striker worth a f**king toss would also be handy. Cou did well, and Can, Sterling seems to have reverted to form of pre-last season, somewhat brainless when in a position to hurt teams. But he can turn that around. Surprised SG got taken off alright though.

      Overall pretty underwhelming, both teams huffing and puffing in the final 3rd, both goals from set piece headers.

      No sign of Balo, Borini or Marko on the bench. Balo and Borini better have their bags packed. And I'd cut my losses on Marko too - and anyone coming back with 'don't be soft, he has bags of potential' MAY, only may, be right - I just don't see it for him in the PL and would bring in some cash for him. Have seen it with Aquilani, Borini etc, people backing them to the hilt, arguing for time, and making excuses, only to be completely full of sh*t - the fact is he's contributed nothing this season - so cutting losses on him now IS definitely an option.

      So we just sell players for any old price, get rid of Markvich for any offer or something? Because, we don't seem to earn anything ever with this new transfer policy of buy young and they'll always be worth extra later. Which I can't stand in the first place but all I keep hearing from fans is offload like 15 players or something and not even caring whether we get ripped off by selling cheap because everyone's so desperate to get rid of everyone ever.
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      Reply #409: May 11, 2015 10:10:27 am
      Souness is a f**king legend. This has nothing to do with him as a manger or a pundit. As for sticking the knife in, i take it you have a problem with one of our most successful players in history being sickened at the sight of what we are becoming?

      These are the words of a man who won everything as a player and lived, breathed and sh*t success.

      There's a lot more to football than skill fishpie, surely you are not that naive? Whinging? Please.

      Barring Lucas and Skrtel, there are no senior players left. Gerrard, Toure and Johnson are gone.

      Gerrard set the standard, it seems that some supporters are happy for that standard to drop.

      I'll tell you what's spoiling the place, the growing levels of acceptance creeping into our fanbase that we are where we should be etc.

      If you think we stand in good stead for next Season then i fear for you.

      Souness was a great player but did so much damage to the club afterwards and he is always sniping with his comments towards Liverpool. Reluctantly, last season he gave us some praise verrry reluctantly (I remember) when we were bossing games and Suarez was on fire. I have issues with the guy, I can't stand to hear him, he's part of the bitter ex Liverpool crew. His opinions mean nothing to me because of all I've heard in the past/ him being so negative about LFC.
      I think the anchors need to be gone and we stop living in fear of a life without certain legends and mentors, team motivators, or whatever the hell. Gerrard was one of the best players we've seen, people get older we all have to move on. I wouldn't want Carra shouting at players in training thinking he's on Monday night football with his Lemon faced mate.

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      Reply #410: May 11, 2015 10:20:03 am
      Not a bad team performance but toothless in attack. It's horrible to watch after the seeing us put 3 or 4 past teams every week last season with ease.

      Our summer transfers are going to be crucial and we need to find a couple of gems like Coutinho & Can because the four teams above us are going to out spend us and pull better players.

       
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      Reply #411: May 11, 2015 10:24:45 am
      Souness was a great player but did so much damage to the club afterwards and he is always sniping with his comments towards Liverpool. Reluctantly, last season he gave us some praise verrry reluctantly (I remember) when we were bossing games and Suarez was on fire. I have issues with the guy, I can't stand to hear him, he's part of the bitter ex Liverpool crew. His opinions mean nothing to me because of all I've heard in the past/ him being so negative about LFC.
      I think the anchors need to be gone and we stop living in fear of a life without certain legends and mentors, team motivators, or whatever the hell. Gerrard was one of the best players we've seen, people get older we all have to move on. I wouldn't want Carra shouting at players in training thinking he's on Monday night football with his Lemon faced mate.

      If you've got none on the pitch then you need a strong manager...

      https://youtu.be/-MJ7gxuDGxI

      Just imagine what you'd feel as a player if your manager was like that!
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      Reply #412: May 11, 2015 10:24:58 am

      I think the anchors need to be gone and we stop living in fear of a life without certain legends and mentors, team motivators, or whatever the hell. Gerrard was one of the best players we've seen, people get older we all have to move on. I wouldn't want Carra shouting at players in training thinking he's on Monday night football with his Lemon faced mate.




      This is where the debate ends i'm afraid. If you think that we don't need mentors or team motivators etc. then there is no point continuing this.
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      Reply #413: May 11, 2015 10:29:45 am

      This is where the debate ends i'm afraid. If you think that we don't need mentors or team motivators etc. then there is no point continuing this.


      Hey, ok no probs, time we move on, me and you and also Liverpool, new stalwarts will happen - it's life, Gerrard wants to do his own thing for this last part of his totally loyal career, let him be free and LFC move on too.
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      Re: Chelsea 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post match discussion
      Reply #414: May 11, 2015 10:30:38 am
      Souness was a great player but did so much damage to the club afterwards and he is always sniping with his comments towards Liverpool. Reluctantly, last season he gave us some praise verrry reluctantly (I remember) when we were bossing games and Suarez was on fire. I have issues with the guy, I can't stand to hear him, he's part of the bitter ex Liverpool crew. His opinions mean nothing to me because of all I've heard in the past/ him being so negative about LFC.
      I think the anchors need to be gone and we stop living in fear of a life without certain legends and mentors, team motivators, or whatever the hell. Gerrard was one of the best players we've seen, people get older we all have to move on. I wouldn't want Carra shouting at players in training thinking he's on Monday night football with his Lemon faced mate.



      agree about the souness thing. He has always been an arsehole of the highest order, what he did as a player was fantastic, but as a manager and a pundit I can't stand him either.

      But we do need people like Carra around the club.

      We actually do have a lot of legends working at the club in some capacity, I will name a few; King Kenny, Rush, fowler, marsh.

      Gerrard will be back in a few years as a coach leading to manager after that. Would love him and carra working together as manager and assistant manger.
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      Reply #415: May 11, 2015 10:35:24 am
      agree about the souness thing. He has always been an arsehole of the highest order, what he did as a player was fantastic, but as a manager and a pundit I can't stand him either.

      But we do need people like Carra around the club.

      We actually do have a lot of legends working at the club in some capacity, I will name a few; King Kenny, Rush, fowler, marsh.

      Gerrard will be back in a few years as a coach leading to manager after that. Would love him and carra working together as manager and assistant manger.

      I can totally see Gerrard being manager and he brings in Carra as his assistant, I don't bet but if there were good odds on that combination, I'd bet quite a bit.
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      Reply #416: May 11, 2015 10:38:54 am
      Hey, ok no probs, time we move on, me and you and also Liverpool, new stalwarts will happen - it's life, Gerrard wants to do his own thing for this last part of his totally loyal career, let him be free and LFC move on too.

      Gerrard was forced out, do you know anything? I'm out of here.
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      Reply #417: May 11, 2015 11:01:21 am
      Makes me laugh the lack of support our manager has received this year. We spent less than all the top four am I right? We were never in the top four? We lost our two main strikers ? We lost our 2 main midfielder for large chunks of the season ( Gerrard and Lucas ) . We lost sakho for months. I could go on and on and on. I honestly feel that with the squad he has and the funds he has done his best . I'm saying saying he is perfect but Jesus he is the manager of LFC  come on. Last year he was manager of the season and this year he was pipped to 4th by a team that spent over 200 million. Look I might be wrong with numbers and figures but taking Gerrard of is just a stick to beat him with. A few weeks ago people were slagging him for not taking him off at half time.

      So are backing the manager or not?  ;D
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      Reply #418: May 11, 2015 11:17:26 am
      Gerrard was forced out, do you know anything? I'm out of here.

       I'm not convinced that's totally true.

      And Souness being a 'legend' is irrelevant when discussing him as a pundit and Fishpie is quite within his rights to criticise him if he thinks he talks sh*te.
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      Reply #419: May 11, 2015 11:39:47 am
      I'm not convinced that's totally true.

      And Souness being a 'legend' is irrelevant when discussing him as a pundit and Fishpie is quite within his rights to criticise him if he thinks he talks sh*te.

      Since FSG have been in place we have seen all our 'characters' slowly forced out, whether you choose to believe that or not is totally up to you and i don't think i have said otherwise.

      Myself and fishpie were discussing the comments made by Souness yesterday with regards to all the leaders leaving the Club, men who can shape and influence the youngsters at the Club.

      Regardless of whether Souness made those comments as a pundit or not, those words were from his heart as a player who has been there and done it. He knows better then most the need for 'character' in any Squad.

      If you feel Souness was talking sh*te with regards to those comments then i welcome any debate from yourself specifically. Though how you can put up a defence against that is something i am looking forward to.

      This Squad needs leaders and after this Season, barring Skrtel and Gerrard, i don't see anyone capable of taking up the mantle. Do you?

      Somebody put a post in another thread earlier about how we have lost players like Reina, Agger, Suarez, Carra and now Gerrard. Not one of these players has been replaced with sufficient quality.

      We have seen numerous times this Season where we have lacked any authority or aggression on the field of play. If the manager can't get the players up for a fight then it's down to the players in the Squad to galvanise the team. It isn't happening and the last few weeks have been proof of that.

      Souness was not talking sh*te, he said what he saw and what he has seen, i have seen it too, i'm sure plenty of others have too.
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      Reply #420: May 11, 2015 11:43:55 am
      I'm not convinced that's totally true.

       

      Big earners considered to be in their twilight years have been shifted on. Reina and Agger both had lots to offer. I specifically think the removal of Reina was a massive mistake. Had he still been here, he would be the No.1 keeper now. Mignolet has had a shocking Season and the fact that we don't have a capable No.2 has been a major factor in that. Remove competition for places and you invite complacency.

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      Reply #421: May 11, 2015 11:54:21 am
      Good effort from the lads in the 2nd half but as has been our weak spot all season, no one in the final 3rd of the pitch to finish off our good work up the pitch.

      Turned off the Tv straight after and went to be so didn't see the Interviews. Have now....Stevie I love you you f**king Legend. Brendan, seriously what the f**k? Chasing a game to keep alive our slim hopes and he took off the only player who looked like he could score and replaced him with Lucas who hasn't scored a goal apart from in training. F**k me!

      2 games to go off this epic fail of a Season.
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      Reply #422: May 11, 2015 11:54:27 am
      Big earners considered to be in their twilight years have been shifted on. Reina and Agger both had lots to offer. I specifically think the removal of Reina was a massive mistake. Had he still been here, he would be the No.1 keeper now. Mignolet has had a shocking Season and the fact that we don't have a capable No.2 has been a major factor in that. Remove competition for places and you invite complacency.


      I agree look at glen Johnson, he has real ability but doesn't give a f**k. He is just pulling down a wage and waiting for the retirement package to come in from turkey or the states. We have to get players like Stirling, Ibe and coutinho fighting for something. This won't happen without a couple of real fighters coming in. I would have Arda Turan and Godin any day. Players like that would really help us.

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      Reply #423: May 11, 2015 11:55:44 am
      Since FSG have been in place we have seen all our 'characters' slowly forced out, whether you choose to believe that or not is totally up to you and i don't think i have said otherwise.

      Myself and fishpie were discussing the comments made by Souness yesterday with regards to all the leaders leaving the Club, men who can shape and influence the youngsters at the Club.

      Regardless of whether Souness made those comments as a pundit or not, those words were from his heart as a player who has been there and done it. He knows better then most the need for 'character' in any Squad.

      If you feel Souness was talking sh*te with regards to those comments then i welcome any debate from yourself specifically. Though how you can put up a defence against that is something i am looking forward to.

      This Squad needs leaders and after this Season, barring Skrtel and Gerrard, i don't see anyone capable of taking up the mantle. Do you?

      Somebody put a post in another thread earlier about how we have lost players like Reina, Agger, Suarez, Carra and now Gerrard. Not one of these players has been replaced with sufficient quality.

      We have seen numerous times this Season where we have lacked any authority or aggression on the field of play. If the manager can't get the players up for a fight then it's down to the players in the Squad to galvanise the team. It isn't happening and the last few weeks have been proof of that.

      Souness was not talking sh*te, he said what he saw and what he has seen, i have seen it too, i'm sure plenty of others have too.

      I'm not saying I disagree with what Souness said mate but being a 'legend' doesn't automatically mean everything he says is true or even sensible.
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      Reply #424: May 11, 2015 11:57:45 am
      Good effort from the lads in the 2nd half but as has been our weak spot all season, no one in the final 3rd of the pitch to finish off our good work up the pitch.

      Turned off the Tv straight after and went to be so didn't see the Interviews. Have now....Stevie I love you you f**king Legend. Brendan, seriously what the f**k? Chasing a game to keep alive our slim hopes and he took off the only player who looked like he could score and replaced him with Lucas who hasn't scored a goal apart from in training. F**k me!

      2 games to go off this epic fail of a Season.

      Trust me Aussie mate, i feel your pain too.

      As much as i want Brendan to be given a chance next Season it is getting harder and harder to put up a good case for him with each passing calamity.

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