The Transfer Committee Thread

Exactly. FSG Employ the manager, and the so called transfer committee.

Indeed and they have sacked three managers (& a DOF) - yet 'our' transfer record still sucks big, scabby arse. Why do you think that is*? [* WARNING: This part may take some individual thought.]

Don't mistake the issue of players preferring another club, with, they didn't wanna pay enough.
It's only speculation, we'll probably never be privy to the whole fact sheet.

Aye... we probably won't be privvy to the whole facts but it's not hard to make an educated guess.

That said: even when Stevie, Luis and Brendan clearly mentioned FSG policy on transfers you'll still had/have fucktards who either purposely missed, or didn't comprehend, what they said. And... that's not even accounting for the ignorance of what John W Henry wrote in his letter September 2012. 

It's all F***ing there - people are either missing it on purpose or they are genuinely thick.

I'm getting out of here... I feel dirty even reading some of this sh*te and I need a shower. 

[Now that Jürgen is here] Can we not just all agree to 'blame' any future poor signings on the Transfer Committee and give 'credit', to Jürgen, for the good?

Or...Let's keep our fingers crossed that all our signings now will be a success.

* Are we still 'crediting' BR with all signings? Or...

* Are we only giving BR 'credit' for the poor signings? And one last question...

* [Now that Jürgen is here] Can we not just all agree to 'blame' any future poor signings on the Transfer Committee and give 'credit', to Jürgen, for the good?

After having read many posts, from a number of different posters - the 'excuse' [only when we lose mind you] that; "they are BR's signings"... I was of the opinion that a new default position [i.e. the f**king TC had no part to play] existed.

It's all f**king there - people are either missing it on purpose or they are genuinely thick.

I guess I must he thick as I don't see anything wrong with analyzing the targets and signings made by the TC vs BR.  I also don't see a problem with comparing Klopp's signings to those of the TC.  There is admittedly some degree of ambiguity in this exercise as we won't ever know for sure which players were strictly committee signings vs manager signings, but as long as the analysis is objective (as objective as possible - true objectivity doesn't exist) then I don't understand what the problem is. 

Perhaps the problem is that my simple mind can't wrap itself around such complex subject matter.....

 

I guess I must he thick as I don't see anything wrong with analyzing the targets and signings made by the TC vs BR.  I also don't see a problem with comparing Klopp's signings to those of the TC.  There is admittedly some degree of ambiguity in this exercise as we won't ever know for sure which players were strictly committee signings vs manager signings, but as long as the analysis is objective (as objective as possible - true objectivity doesn't exist) then I don't understand what the problem is. 

Perhaps the problem is that my simple mind can't wrap itself around such complex subject matter.....

 

I must be thicker than you; there I was thinking that any signings made were for the advancement of LFC when apparently they are a means of damning either the manager or the TC.

When it is judged of course who is culpable.

I wonder if Klopp will throw in with the above confusion or if something's gotta change?
 

Well it's clearly evident that the TC is a total failure, so can we just politely show them the door.
Alternatively, just F**k them straight off !

Well it's clearly evident that the TC is a total failure, so can we just politely show them the door.
Alternatively, just f**k them straight off !

Is it evident they were/are a failure?  Which transfers was the committee responsible for?  Of those transfers, which have been failures vs successes?  Was it the committee's fault that the players recruited didn't fair well, or was it the fault of the manager that he didn't get the best out of them? 

I'm not suggesting they have been great, nor am I even saying that they deserve to keep their positions, but I wouldn't say it is as clearly evident as you make it seem....

Is it evident they were/are a failure?  Which transfers was the committee responsible for?  Of those transfers, which have been failures vs successes?  Was it the committee's fault that the players recruited didn't fair well, or was it the fault of the manager that he didn't get the best out of them? 

I'm not suggesting they have been great, nor am I even saying that they deserve to keep their positions, but I wouldn't say it is as clearly evident as you make it seem....

Agree mate, I'll judge the committee in the summer whilst working with Klopp, Rodgers got it in the neck from some of us regarding transfers & hopefully Klopp will put that to bed working with the current recruitment set up.

There is admittedly some degree of ambiguity in this exercise as we won't ever know for sure which players were strictly committee signings vs manager signings

Think that is the issue though isn't it mate?

All i know is that in the end our transfers seem to lack any collective vision or goal, we ended up with a squad that seems relatively lop sided and incompatible.

Rodgers has gone and the transfer committee remains.

I'm guessing that means that those members on that committee have been left with nowhere to hide.

Still not a fan of the whole set up but thats just my opinion.

Think that is the issue though isn't it mate?

Partially.  However, the committee has been judged based on its success/failure while working collaboratively with BR.  We don't know how they will work with Klopp yet.  They could be a success, or could be a massive failure....

All i know is that in the end our transfers seem to lack any collective vision or goal, we ended up with a squad that seems relatively lop sided and incompatible.

The question is, was this a committee issue or a manager issue?  I think it falls more on BR as his preference for versatility left us with a lot of "jack of all trades" types of players.  I mean, he brought Milner in to play CM, a position he has never played before in his career, yet we never bought any wingers or specialist CDM's.....

I think (hope) that Klopp has a more clear vision for how he wants us to play and knows the types of players he needs to implement that style.  If the TC can work with a better set of guidelines from the manager then maybe they will be more effective....

Whether you are in favour of a tc or not as I think most of us are, one word stands out for me and that word is vision, in Klopp he most definitely has a vision and will know who to bring in to implement his vision as much as possible,

With Brendan his vision never got off the ground because the players he wanted never materialised, Mickwhatshisface, Willian etc
Personally I'd F**k the tc off asap, bring in a dof of Jürgen's choosing and watch us develop into world beaters.


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Don't think we will see any of the "Committee signing vs Manger signing" anymore...I think every player that comes in is off Klopps list. I am sure he has a budget like every club does but they will be his signings.

Rodgers has gone and the transfer committee remains.

Yeah....Surely they now remain under false pretences.? There has to be 3 or 4 disposable incomes at the club now, which collectively could buy us another top draw player.

Don't think we will see any of the "Committee signing vs Manger signing" anymore...I think every player that comes in is off Klopps list. I am sure he has a budget like every club does but they will be his signings.

I agree, but both Grujic and Zielinski (if he signs) have the look and feel of being committee targets, but they also need Klopp's blessing 

I guess I must he thick as I don't see anything wrong with analyzing the targets and signings made by the TC vs BR...

... I also don't see a problem with comparing Klopp's signings to those of the TC.  There is admittedly some degree of ambiguity in this exercise as we won't ever know for sure which players were strictly committee signings vs manager signings, but as long as the analysis is objective (as objective as possible - true objectivity doesn't exist) then I don't understand what the problem is. 

Perhaps the problem is that my simple mind can't wrap itself around such complex subject matter.....

So you genuinely believe that F.S.G. sanctioned a policy which gave the Transfer Committee [of which B.R. was a part] and Brendan Rodgers separate picks on players? Interesting...

And you honestly "don't see anything wrong" with "analyzing the targets and signings made by the TC vs BR" even tho' you say "we won't ever know for sure which players were strictly committee signings vs manager signings"?

Hmm... "I cannot prove that a 'turn about' picking policy even existed (no matter how much it would 'support' my anti-Rodgers/anti-T.C. stance); nor can I prove which players were picked by who but.... I still believe that player A (who was obviously a B.R./T.C. pick) has proved to be a better signing than player B (obviously a T.C./B.R. pick)"

Er... Erm... you work away Harry; that's not "thick" at all.    

I've always gone with the whoever is in charge gets the blame/credit for transfers, makes it easier. I'm a little surprised that when we're making the "he spunked 300 million quid" statements we don't take into account the fact we were forced into the sales of Luis Suarez and Raheem Sterling at least and the monies we recouped, but it is what it is. Actually to tell the truth I've always been a little surprised the previous manager never really got the blame for selling Suarez "a stronger manager would have put his foot down/if we had a bigger name manager Luis would never wanted to leave" etc, but maybe people just never thought of it.

I can deal with all the new rules though, just so long as we are consistent. The manager is responsible for ALL signings, so therefore he is responsible for Firmino, Sturridge, Continho etc just the same as he is responsible for Marcovic and Balotelli.

Keeps it simple that way I reckon, and if the thought police deem it OK I'm going to use that measure from now on.

I've always gone with the whoever is in charge gets the blame/credit for transfers, makes it easier. I'm a little surprised that when we're making the "he spunked 300 million quid" statements we don't take into account the fact we were forced into the sales of Luis Suarez and Raheem Sterling at least and the monies we recouped, but it is what it is. Actually to tell the truth I've always been a little surprised the previous manager never really got the blame for selling Suarez "a stronger manager would have put his foot down/if we had a bigger name manager Luis would never wanted to leave" etc, but maybe people just never thought of it.

I can deal with all the new rules though, just so long as we are consistent. The manager is responsible for ALL signings, so therefore he is responsible for Firmino, Sturridge, Continho etc just the same as he is responsible for Marcovic and Balotelli.

Keeps it simple that way I reckon, and if the thought police deem it OK I'm going to use that measure from now on.

It doesn't work like that in modern football though so by all means keep things 'simple' in your mind but it doesn't make it true.

So you genuinely believe that F.S.G. sanctioned a policy which gave the Transfer Committee [of which B.R. was a part] and Brendan Rodgers separate picks on players? Interesting...

And you honestly "don't see anything wrong" with "analyzing the targets and signings made by the TC vs BR" even tho' you say "we won't ever know for sure which players were strictly committee signings vs manager signings"?

Hmm... "I cannot prove that a 'turn about' picking policy even existed (no matter how much it would 'support' my anti-Rodgers/anti-T.C. stance); nor can I prove which players were picked by who but.... I still believe that player A (who was obviously a B.R./T.C. pick) has proved to be a better signing than player B (obviously a T.C./B.R. pick)"

Er... Erm... you work away Harry; that's not "thick" at all.    

Mate, the mere fact that there is some level of ambiguity doesn't mean we have no idea which transfers were more so Brendan's doing vs the TC.  It seems pretty obvious to me that Brendan never wanted the likes of Assaidi, Alberto, Ilori, etc.  Likewise, I would imagine the likes of Coutinho, Can, and Firmino were more driven by the TC.  I don't have proof/evidence to support my claim, it's just how I see it.  You are welcome to draw your own conclusions mate, but out of respect I'll avoid calling you thick for doing so

It doesn't work like that in modern football though so by all means keep things 'simple' in your mind but it doesn't make it true.

Sadly I have to agree with you mate based on recent events. In "modern" football the manager is only responsible for bad signings not good ones, if of course people don't like him. If on the other hand people do like him, I'm sure we'll see going forward that the manager is only responsible for good signings, not bad ones.

Modern football eh? You can'take beat it.

Personally I think there is always going to be a little conflict of interest between the manager and the TC. Any manager is going to want the majority of players who are brought in to be players who can help him achieve his immediate goals of winning games and keeping his job, while the TC's main aim will be to look to the future and bring in young players who can be developed and will increase their value and thus keep FSG happy by following FSG's policies.

An extreme example of conflict might be that the manager wants to bring in a couple of  experienced players who might help the team gain a few extra points this season for £17million but will be unlikely to increase in value, while the TC wish to bring in a 17 year old for £17million who while unable to help the team immediately,will they believe become a star player in a few years time :- as happened with Kuyt and Pennent vs Aguero a few years ago.

As long as managers feel under pressure to achieve a certain level of results to keep their jobs they are always going to look for short term fixes. No point bringing in 5 future world class players ... for the next manager to enjoy.

 

I've always gone with the whoever is in charge gets the blame/credit for transfers, makes it easier.

That it does and as long as you don't 'mix n match' - there's no harm in that Mick.

Things would only become an issue if you were to 'blame' the manager for the bad and 'credit' someone else for the good (and vice-versa) just to suit your argument. The truth is we have witnessed people move those particular goal-posts time and time again.

For what it's worth: I believe that both Kenny and Brendan were lead by Company policy - Kenny by FSG's Director of Football and Brendan by FSG's Transfer Committee. I also believe that this is as obvious as the nose on your face. I also believe that Jürgen (hopefully to a lesser extent) will be lead by that same Company policy. However...

... Given the fact a number of posters are now adamant that Jürgen is in "100% control of transfers/squad matters" and if it helps stop any row over the matter - I repeat that, from this point, I am more than happy to adopt that position. 

... Given the fact a number of posters are now adamant that Jürgen is in "100% control of transfers/squad matters" and if it helps stop any row over the matter - I repeat that, from this point, I am more than happy to adopt that position.

Happy to jump on this bandwagon mate, but just to make things a little clearer does this apply to selling players too? 'Cos if Coutinho goes I will want to be blaming someone ...

Happy to jump on this bandwagon mate, but just to make things a little clearer does this apply to selling players too?

It would s@int... '100% control of transfers and squad matters' - ins, outs, loans and contract extensions; the whole shooting gallery. 

Don't think we will see any of the "Committee signing vs Manger signing" anymore... I think every player that comes in is off Klopps list.

I agree, but both Grujic and Zielinski (if he signs) have the look and feel of being committee targets

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