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      Liverpool's New Back Room - Your Choice

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      Re: Liverpool's New Back Room - Your Choice
      Reply #598: Jul 06, 2015 02:58:46 pm
      I know I had a bit of a meltdown towards the back end of the season mate but I'm generally a positive person so these appointments and the way they'll be used seems like a big step forward to me. 

      I know not everyone will agree but that's true of everything in life and it would be a very boring world if we all wanted the same thing, done in the same way. 

      I agree. Obviously my post was a bit snarky towards some of the folks in this thread that profess to know that O'Driscoll has no chance of having a positive impact. I think it's amazing how we can write off these signings and adjustments before the boys have ever even kicked a ball under "new management".
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      Reply #599: Jul 06, 2015 03:09:17 pm
      I agree. Obviously my post was a bit snarky towards some of the folks in this thread that profess to know that O'Driscoll has no chance of having a positive impact. I think it's amazing how we can write off these signings and adjustments before the boys have ever even kicked a ball under "new management".

      I've found over the years that the males of our species are very sceptical and negative towards change  ;)
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      Reply #600: Jul 06, 2015 03:46:31 pm
      I've found over the years that the males of our species are very sceptical and negative towards change  ;)

      Not I  :f_whistle:
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      Reply #601: Jul 06, 2015 03:58:26 pm
      Intrigued by who the additional coach is going to be.
      Hope for a strong character with an impressive stature and track record
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      Reply #602: Jul 06, 2015 04:08:16 pm

       ;)

      Intrigued by who the additional coach is going to be.
      Hope for a strong character with an impressive stature and track record

      Supposedly it's going to an ex player mate and personally I've no idea who out of our ex players have the required coaching qualis and who also fit with Brendans vision.
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      Reply #603: Jul 06, 2015 04:38:12 pm
      ;)

      Supposedly it's going to an ex player mate and personally I've no idea who out of our ex players have the required coaching qualis and who also fit with Brendans vision.

      Hyypia has his badges of course, and the playing style he implemented at Brighton and Leverkusen is drastically different.

      Maybe Bolo Zenden? He was on Rafa's staff at Chelsea and turned down an offer to join McClaren at Newcastle.

      Those are the only two that come to my mind.
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      Reply #604: Jul 06, 2015 04:48:34 pm
      Though an ex-Liverpool player would be sentimentally great, I hope that we through all of that out the window and just go for the strongest candidate out there no matter their allegiances.
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      Reply #605: Jul 06, 2015 05:11:31 pm
      Hyypia has his badges of course, and the playing style he implemented at Brighton and Leverkusen is drastically different.

      Maybe Bolo Zenden? He was on Rafa's staff at Chelsea and turned down an offer to join McClaren at Newcastle.

      Those are the only two that come to my mind.

      They're the only ones I can think of too but neither are really suitable I don't think mate.  Tbh I've no idea who Brendan will choose but if there's no ex players suitable I'd rather he chose someone that is.
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      Reply #606: Jul 06, 2015 06:16:17 pm
      Dalglish !



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      Re: Liverpool's New Back Room - Your Choice
      Reply #607: Jul 06, 2015 06:27:46 pm

      Ex-player, with his coaching badges.

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      Reply #608: Jul 06, 2015 06:41:57 pm

      You think he'd come back to the UK after all the time he's spent in the US Billy?
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      Reply #609: Jul 06, 2015 07:47:50 pm
      Off topic, I know and whilst I appreciate you don't like Martin SoaG; do you honestly believe he refused to communicate with new players?   :laugh:

      Just throwing it out there but I'm not sure Martin's "experience" equates to the Slovak's ability to communicate clearly in Spanish [Manquillo/Moreno], German [Can], French [Sakho] and Croatian [Lovren]. Could it be that maybe, (just maybe, mind you) the responsibility for better communication might fall on the shoulders of others, either individually or whoever was responsible for those lads' integration when they signed.

      Still, either way; if that "excellent article" is anything to go by then Sean O'Driscoll will sort it out.  :gt-happyup:

       

      Hardly think that he's making a point about the lack of multilinguals. The point being is the belief that Skrtel just doesn't talk enough and shows a blatant lack of leadership. Kind of pathetic for a player of his experience at the club.
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      Reply #610: Jul 06, 2015 10:59:56 pm
      I hope that we through all of that out the window and just go for the strongest candidate out there no matter their allegiances.
      Roy Keane  :f_tongueincheek:

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      Re: Liverpool's New Back Room - Your Choice
      Reply #611: Jul 07, 2015 05:55:20 am
      Just off in a new technical direction Trig!  :lmao:

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      Reply #612: Jul 07, 2015 09:05:29 am
      You think he'd come back to the UK after all the time he's spent in the US Billy?

      Paul Dalglish has not been saying kind things on twitter about BR or FSG, not sure he would work with them.
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      Reply #613: Jul 07, 2015 12:41:45 pm
      Hardly think that he's making a point about the lack of multilinguals.
      I hardly think it either that's why I suggested he might consider it as an issue rather than just blame Martin.

      Kind of pathetic for a player of his experience at the club.
      Nah buddy... What's kind of pathetic is folk, who don't clearly don't rate Martin, saying he "refuses" to communicate, which is laughable, yet ignore the many other issues behind our poor defending.

      It's also kind of pathetic that players [right back, left back & centre half] signed to play for Liverpool F.C., a team, which finished runners up the season before, need to be instructed how to play their role. I guess Brendan felt the same when he dropped all three.

      You either know football or you don't; you've either played the game or you haven't but to lay the blame at our best defender's door, whilst ignoring factors like language barriers and a new back four (two of which were boys, the other a rag-doll who blamed everyone and everything but himself), is, quite frankly, crass.

      Want to look for someone or something to blame? Fair enough but do yourselves a favour and dig deeper. You're better than that lads.

      Anyhows... Back on topic anyone who's able to make Dejan into a good defender is more than welcome in my books.  8)


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      Reply #614: Jul 07, 2015 01:43:14 pm
      Hardly think that he's making a point about the lack of multilinguals. The point being is the belief that Skrtel just doesn't talk enough and shows a blatant lack of leadership. Kind of pathetic for a player of his experience at the club.

      That was a straight quote from Carragher wasn't it?
      "He doesn't communicate".

      As a "last ditch" type of defender he's OK, but every time I see him play, he just keeps dropping deeper and deeper when his CB partner is trying to hold the high line that BR wants, which throws the whole team out of shape.
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      Reply #615: Jul 07, 2015 05:22:06 pm
      I hardly think it either that's why I suggested he might consider it as an issue rather than just blame Martin.
      Nah buddy... What's kind of pathetic is folk, who don't clearly don't rate Martin, saying he "refuses" to communicate, which is laughable, yet ignore the many other issues behind our poor defending.

      It's also kind of pathetic that players [right back, left back & centre half] signed to play for Liverpool F.C., a team, which finished runners up the season before, need to be instructed how to play their role. I guess Brendan felt the same when he dropped all three.

      You either know football or you don't; you've either played the game or you haven't but to lay the blame at our best defender's door, whilst ignoring factors like language barriers and a new back four (two of which were boys, the other a rag-doll who blamed everyone and everything but himself), is, quite frankly, crass.

      Want to look for someone or something to blame? Fair enough but do yourselves a favour and dig deeper. You're better than that lads.

      Anyhows... Back on topic anyone who's able to make Dejan into a good defender is more than welcome in my books.  8)




      When you see the likes of Carragher and Hyypia taking command and communicating to players - yes, even foreign ones who don't talk English - and Carragher himself admitting that 'he doesn't communicate' (saying what many of us were saying already), then you see the problems laid right in front of us.

      And the big problem is - no leadership in the team. And when one of the most experienced players can't do it, then alarm bells should be ringing. And it's not solely a dig at him, but you go through that spine of the side, and there's nobody vocal enough.

      He's a tough tackler and if anything, when he performs, he leads by example, but too often he has not performed, and when the team are struggling, his leadership is nowhere to be seen. I know you don't say it, but this whole social media 'orders a big mac in a burger king' toughness is a but of a myth. I think he's easily replaceable and if there is a captain in that defence, Sakho is the one with the most potential. Certainly, he is already our best defender in my opinion. But in no way is Skrtel captaincy material.
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      Reply #616: Jul 07, 2015 05:55:36 pm
      I hardly think it either that's why I suggested he might consider it as an issue rather than just blame Martin.
      Nah buddy... What's kind of pathetic is folk, who don't clearly don't rate Martin, saying he "refuses" to communicate, which is laughable, yet ignore the many other issues behind our poor defending.

      It's also kind of pathetic that players [right back, left back & centre half] signed to play for Liverpool F.C., a team, which finished runners up the season before, need to be instructed how to play their role. I guess Brendan felt the same when he dropped all three.

      You either know football or you don't; you've either played the game or you haven't but to lay the blame at our best defender's door, whilst ignoring factors like language barriers and a new back four (two of which were boys, the other a rag-doll who blamed everyone and everything but himself), is, quite frankly, crass.

      Want to look for someone or something to blame? Fair enough but do yourselves a favour and dig deeper. You're better than that lads.

      Anyhows... Back on topic anyone who's able to make Dejan into a good defender is more than welcome in my books.  8)




      Not apportioning blame on one person. Just apportioning criticism on someone who is in my opinion overrated. Certainly not buying the language barrier argument when Lovren can speak English, Skrtel can speak English and Sakho is able enough to conduct post match interviews speaking the lingo. I hardly doubt they need communication levels of an air traffic controller guiding a stricken plane into landing.
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      Reply #617: Jul 07, 2015 06:06:44 pm
      Skrtel joined the back room team then? :f_tongueincheek:
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      Reply #618: Jul 07, 2015 06:35:29 pm
      Skrtel joined the back room team then? :f_tongueincheek:

      Was just thinking that Si, had to do a double take of which thread I was in.
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      Reply #619: Jul 07, 2015 07:32:05 pm



      Without stating the obvious Billy, I was meaning his dad, albeit it probably would never happen, never the less it was a bit tongue in cheek and I really should have used the wee symbol to illustrate it, and if I'm honest I didn't consider Paul D at all.


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      Re: Liverpool's New Back Room - Your Choice
      Reply #620: Jul 07, 2015 09:17:27 pm
      I enjoyed this read....

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11720170/Liverpool-news-Buck-stops-with-Brendan-Rodgers-now-that-he-has-Sean-ODriscoll-with-him-and-no-more-excuses.html
      Liverpool news: Buck stops with Brendan Rodgers now that he has Sean O'Driscoll with him and no more excuses
      The real conclusion of Liverpool's post-season review was it was not a change of manager that was required, but a change from the manager

         
      By Chris Bascombe

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      The surest way to make an assistant manager appear the most important figure at your club is to sack him.

      A number two never seems more vital than on the day he leaves, a fact Liverpool have discovered since it was announced earlier this summer Colin Pascoe was exiting Anfield.

      Pascoe is a genuine, decent guy, who for five seasons was a loyal lieutenant of Brendan Rodgers. He arrived with the Liverpool manager from Swansea City where he evidently helped the Northern Irishman assimilate into the Welsh club (and the city) with some success.

      Whenever a manager is appointed, they tend to bring with them someone they trust implicitly – the eyes and ears around an unfamiliar training ground – so Pascoe followed Rodgers to Anfield. His role was always one of deference to his boss, a low key assistant who was uncomfortable on those occasions he was thrust into the public eye, which tended to be when press conference duties were required in the early stages of the League Cup.

      That is not to demean Pascoe’s contribution, but on the day both he and first team coach Mike Marsh left Liverpool their status was elevated to a level they were never afforded while still in the job. That can only be attributed to the timing of their departure, coming as it did after a season review which determined the best way to get the best out of the manager and players was to improve the standard of the support staff.


      “Thrown under a bus,” has been the recurring phrase to assess the dismissals, Pascoe and Marsh cast in the role of convenient scapegoats for a dreadful campaign.

      It does not fit the conspiratorial argument that a change in the coaching staff had been under consideration long before the season review. It’s a cute notion that during the course of May’s two hour meeting with Fenway Sports Group president Mike Gordon and chairman Tom Werner, Rodgers unveiled a masterplan to ditch his pal Pascoe and not renew Marsh’s contract. The reality is somewhat less opportunistic. Indeed, the first tentative discussion regarding the addition of a more experienced coach was 12 months ago – after Liverpool finished second - when former Manchester United number two Rene Meulensteen was a genuine contender. Rodgers was not keen then. He did not feel it necessary on the back of such an excellent campaign. Few argued with his rationale at the time, and Rodgers was clearly empowered on the back of his new contract. Meulensteen would later wreck his chances of a fresh approach by publicly criticising Rodgers’s lack of an experienced number two.

      As Liverpool’s troubles intensified last season the issue was revived, with increasing demands for more coaching expertise to be added. Calls for a ‘defensive coach’ proved especially irksome to the manager but after such a terrible run, something had to change.

      Rodgers and chief executive Ian Ayre decided last January personnel issues would be addressed, even though those meetings coincided with an upturn in form. Rodgers was eager to hear fresh voices and ideas as he tried to come up with new strategies and formations to get the best from his squad. He was starting to feel the burden of having all the responsibility. The backroom question has now been dealt with as Sean O’Driscoll and the Liverpool Academy’s highly thought of Under 16 coach Pepijn Lijnders create a new dynamic.



      The arrival of O’Driscoll and Lijnders does not signal a change in philosophy at Melwood, but there will certainly be a shift in methodology.

      O’Driscoll’s addition is significant because – like Rodgers – he is first and foremost a coach who has dedicated his career to ending the culture of ‘kick-and-rush’ overly physical football in the English game. That has been an especially tough gig in the lower leagues. Rodgers has identified and headhunted O’Driscoll from the Football Association. You don’t recruit someone such as O’Driscoll to ‘put out the cones’ or answer questions about which teenagers will play in the third round of the League Cup. He has been brought to Liverpool to coach and will take sessions of his own.

      Equally, Lijnders - the 'first team development coach' - will be trusted with individual coaching sessions with players.

      Rodgers has always been a hands-on, tracksuit manager so it is a departure for him to have such a highly qualified and experienced assistant. During his three years at Liverpool he has never felt any compulsion to delegate responsibility - it is his vision he is seeking to impose and the idea of him standing on the sidelines while Pascoe or Marsh took training sessions was not on the agenda. Pascoe and Marsh may argue they felt inhibited – maybe Rodgers never fully trusted them enough – but after agreeing to the changes it was essential the Liverpool manager surrounded himself with those he believed could not only carry out his instructions but regularly offer ideas of their own, particularly during more testing periods.

      Many Liverpool supporters wanted a higher profile, more authoritative number two – dare one say a number one in waiting. That would have been divisive and potentially destructive, carrying echoes of when Roy Evans was introduced to Gerard Houllier in the summer of 1998. You can’t impose a coach on a manager and expect anything other than volatility.

      There are examples of managers who are quite happy to take a backseat during the week to allow others oversee coaching – under Kenny Dalglish it was very much the Steve Clarke show on a day-to-day basis at Melwood, while Sir Alex Ferguson let his assistants get on with it in his latter years at Old Trafford - but that is not how it has worked at Anfield under Rodgers.


      Rodgers has shaken up his coaching team

      His approach was fine when Liverpool were competing with Manchester City for the title because there is a simple rule in football. When everything is going well, all those training ground habits are evidence of the small details we like to pounce upon to prove how good a manager is. When Liverpool were winning and playing scintillating football, how refreshing it was to have a coach whose meticulous training ground preparations kept him at Melwood from 8am until 6pm every day, who had all his staff under his charismatic spell.

      Fast forward a year and the same characteristics become a whip with which to beat him. The ‘meticulous planner’ is transformed into a despot who only wants ‘yes men’ and refuses to delegate coaching responsibility. If the latest changes work, stay tuned for the episode in which Rodgers is praised for his move towards pragmatism.

      What Rodgers now has at his disposal is a skilled former manager and up-and-coming future manager capable of overseeing training sessions on those days a fresh voice needs to be heard. An ex-player to remind the current crop of what it means to be a Liverpool footballer will eventually complete the new look backroom team.

      The Liverpool manager, who relishes getting his boots dirty, will not be transformed into a master delegator, surveying the Melwood turf from his lofty office while O’Driscoll and Lijnders put his charges through their paces. But for the players who may seek a different point of view there will now be at least three, possibly four, office doors to knock on rather than one. Will it work? They’ll need to hit the ground running.

      The real conclusion of Liverpool’s post-season review was it was not a change of manager that was required, but a change from the manager. Today’s confirmation of a new backroom team is further proof that when a club appoints a 39-year-old boss – as Liverpool did in 2012 – you can not expect the finished product. Once you’ve taken that decision you have to be prepared to let him evolve in the job rather than panic and rip up the long-term plan when there is whiff of trouble.

      That said, Rodgers needs his new look bootroom to yield instant results. He has been granted the kind of second chance his predecessors (and his outgoing backroom team) were denied after a poor season. And he knows if there is not a vast improvement immediately, next time the buck will not stop at the door of the assistant manager.

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