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      Joe Gomez Player Thread

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      Kopite78
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      Re: Joe Gomez Player Thread
      Reply #900: Oct 06, 2020 12:53:37 pm
      Ye better have a word with the boss so becsuse at least 2 of the things you have ruled out hes already done.

      Moving him to right full to me is more pro active then dropping him in the hope that dropping him restores his confidence.

      Trent is regarded by some as the best right full because of what he offers going forward, he can offer that higher up the pitch without the defending adpect. If we step back and observe with honesty hed not the best right full in the world at doing his first jovb, defending, in fact its arguable if hes the best in the league

      You have taken what I said our of context

      Moving Fabinho  permanently isnt the answer

      Changing our very successful system isnt the answer

      Gomez at full back you would have to change the system and as I said he couldnt play modern full back to what its changed to, especially in a front foot team expected to dictate games

      Not sure how saying (pretty much) you're that sh*te at cb we're moving you to full back, by the way you have to get forward as its key to the system
      Will help his confidence too much

      Pretty sure if you just put it down to one of those things, back him to the hilt as one of the best CBS in Europe will do more for his confidence

      Again as for Trent, it's about protecting in front of him and looking at everything he brings to the system than looking at the negatives and ripping it all up

      It needs tweaking not ripping up
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      Re: Joe Gomez Player Thread
      Reply #901: Oct 06, 2020 01:00:18 pm
      You have taken what I said our of context

      Moving Fabinho  permanently isnt the answer

      Changing our very successful system isnt the answer

      Gomez at full back you would have to change the system and as I said he couldnt play modern full back to what its changed to, especially in a front foot team expected to dictate games

      Not sure how saying (pretty much) you're that sh*te at cb we're moving you to full back, by the way you have to get forward as its key to the system
      Will help his confidence too much

      Pretty sure if you just put it down to one of those things, back him to the hilt as one of the best CBS in Europe will do more for his confidence

      Again as for Trent, it's about protecting in front of him and looking at everything he brings to the system than looking at the negatives and ripping it all up

      It needs tweaking not ripping up

      Hes played right full lots of gimes, quite well, so its hardly giving the impression to him that hes sh*te.

      Look at the goals conceeded over the last 10 or 15 games, we are not keeping many clean sheets, that has to be a concern?

      Moving Fab isnt ideal but hes always outstandung there and now with Thiago on board it gives that freedom to move Fab permanently an option that wasnt there before, evolve the team. Fab a ball pkaying centre half with a pass master as your holding player, your most creative player from an assist perspective playing without the shackles of defending, dare I say it I think Trent could be what Beckham was to utd and more...

      But us talking about it is likely all it will ever be
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      Re: Joe Gomez Player Thread
      Reply #902: Oct 06, 2020 01:01:45 pm
      Sorry Brian but Gomez offers nothing going forward so while he is ok as a stop gap it ain’t the way we play unless of course we change our set up with Thiago.
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      Reply #903: Oct 06, 2020 01:05:18 pm
      Hes played right full lots of gimes, quite well, so its hardly giving the impression to him that hes sh*te.

      Look at the goals conceeded over the last 10 or 15 games, we are not keeping many clean sheets, that has to be a concern?

      Moving Fab isnt ideal but hes always outstandung there and now with Thiago on board it gives that freedom to move Fab permanently an option that wasnt there before, evolve the team. Fab a ball pkaying centre half with a pass master as your holding player, your most creative player from an assist perspective playing without the shackles of defending, dare I say it I think Trent could be what Beckham was to utd and more...

      But us talking about it is likely all it will ever be

      We've spent 30 years trying to win a league

      We've done that playing defensive, playing full backs who dont really take risks

      It never worked

      Jürgen will rightly stick to this system but simply work harder at it
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      Reply #904: Oct 06, 2020 01:13:57 pm
      Sorry Brian but Gomez offers nothing going forward so while he is ok as a stop gap it ain’t the way we play unless of course we change our set up with Thiago.

      He wouldnt have to...You still get what you get from Trent
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      Reply #905: Oct 06, 2020 11:21:54 pm
      He wouldnt have to...You still get what you get from Trent

      You get what you get from Trent if you put Gomez at full back?

      Absolute nonsense,sorry
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      Re: Joe Gomez Player Thread
      Reply #906: Oct 07, 2020 12:59:22 pm
      Joe will be fine - in the long run. I've seen better players than him have howlers in red over the years.

      He's looked low on confidence since the City game tbh.

      Likewise Trent needs to work on recovery and defensive lines but he's gonna be the man for a long time, injury aside.  Robbo is a far better defender........but he also has a lot more support in Sadio than TAA does with Mo.
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      Re: Joe Gomez Player Thread
      Reply #907: Oct 07, 2020 07:40:38 pm
      You get what you get from Trent if you put Gomez at full back?

      Absolute nonsense,sorry

      You misread that, purposely or otherwise....you get the attacking threat you get from Trent at right full if you play Trent in the midfield, but what you now have is cover at right full in Joe and no gaps left by Trent attacking.
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      Reply #908: Oct 07, 2020 09:29:17 pm
      I fully expect Joe to be dropped to the bench in the games Thiago starts with Fab playing CB. Virgil and Fab were superb together against Chelsea so I expect we will see more of that pairing over the coming weeks.

      I think Joe needs a break for a few games as he may be mentally fatigued after last season his concentration is shot.
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      Re: Joe Gomez Player Thread
      Reply #909: Oct 07, 2020 09:58:09 pm
      I fully expect Joe to be dropped to the bench in the games Thiago starts with Fab playing CB. Virgil and Fab were superb together against Chelsea so I expect we will see more of that pairing over the coming weeks.

      I think Joe needs a break for a few games as he may be mentally fatigued after last season his concentration is shot.

      Still prefer fab in midfield myself
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      Re: Joe Gomez Player Thread
      Reply #910: Oct 08, 2020 08:54:26 pm
      Looked ordinary tonight as well

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