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      Roberto Firmino Player Thread

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      skolRED
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1920: Nov 30, 2018 12:59:47 pm
      I think a big factor in this is the change in style this year.

      Bobby was at his best when we hit teams fast before they had a chance to set up defensively or when we relentlessly pressed high up.

      We are much slower now and very rarely break a lightening speed.

      All this slow build up possession based play has us mostly trying to play through two blocks of 4 and none of our front 3 have the space we had last season.

      I think we have gone way too defensive which is why the front three look sh*t.

      It also doesn't help that our midfield trio are less creative than a 90 year old woman with a Zimmer frame would be.

      That's what I thought exactly mate. Vital point is Bobby start too deep result in opponent CBs can less worry about him and they have time to take care of Salah and Mane.  Even when Bobby manage to get a ball he's not able to go straight through too many opponents as he's not Messi.  Also in such situation we just have only one or two forward players (Mo and/or Mane) ahead of him.  That's definitely hard for Bobby to take advantage for us. Finally with zero forward run support from our three midfielders his job is nothing but impossible.     
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1921: Nov 30, 2018 01:12:24 pm
      Still vital. Absolute world class.

      The alternatives don’t bear thinking about.

      He’ll be on it again soon.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1922: Nov 30, 2018 01:22:49 pm
      Still vital. Absolute world class.

      The alternatives don’t bear thinking about.

      He’ll be on it again soon.

      I've been hearing that all season now, next game we'll click into gear, but it simply isn't happening.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1923: Nov 30, 2018 02:17:35 pm
      I've been hearing that all season now, next game we'll click into gear, but it simply isn't happening.

      Good grief, just imagine when it does or when Klopp decides to allow us, it’s going to be f**king magic..But as of now we are still in all 3 competions without even ‘clicking’...& we are the only ones who decide our fate..
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1924: Nov 30, 2018 02:18:04 pm
      I've been hearing that all season now, next game we'll click into gear, but it simply isn't happening.

      Problem is, Klopp has become so reliant on the front 3, that the team doesn't know how to and isn't then able to adapt without them.

      The 'squad depth' gets so rarely used, that when they are used, they do not gel, and then they get dropped in a flash. We've seen moments of Sturridge. He's had bit part games (other than that start against Red Star in which he got dropped after 45 minutes). It's a catch 22 that he and Shaqiri are facing. When they do play, they are not up to form (lack of game minutes) and the team do not fully adapt to their own style of play. Then they don't 'play well enough' (often the criticism of Sturridge, and in the last game the same was said of Shaqiri).

      These lads will not have a great game until they get enough game time to get into form, and until the team knows how to play with them. For Sturridge it's even worse. Because of the reliance on the front 3, we've basically forgotten how to play with a Striker. When Sturridge does play, he doesn't get to play the Striker role. I see his movement, and he basically gets ignored. He is expected to play a Firmino role, yet Firmino is not expected to play the Sturridge role.

      The midfield has a similar problem with Keita unable to get going because he needs the minutes to burst into form.. but he's not getting the minutes because he's not in form.

      Too much of the same, with limited tactical changes when the opportunity presents itself.

      Firmino is pretty poor at the moment and we need a change.

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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1925: Dec 02, 2018 10:20:54 pm
      Not sure if it’s a rest he needs or him playing in a new position has really effected him.

      The further away from goal he plays the less effective he is, there was a period in the first half where he dropped into the centre circle to gift the ball away in a dangerous position and lo and behold 20s later he does the same.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1926: Dec 02, 2018 10:27:17 pm
      Needs to go to the Copacabana for a couple weeks. Divock did more in 10 mins that he did in 80
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1927: Dec 02, 2018 11:22:52 pm
      Bobby go for a holiday you need a rest mate doing nout on the pitch for us.

      Come back when you're ready to play again please.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1928: Dec 02, 2018 11:38:46 pm
      Firmino is a top forward, his form isn't there right now. I don't think we need to bench him against Burnley though. I'd give him that game. Bournemouth will be a tougher test so probably drop him if he can't do the business against Burnley.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1929: Dec 02, 2018 11:58:32 pm
      Firmino is a top forward, his form isn't there right now. I don't think we need to bench him against Burnley though. I'd give him that game. Bournemouth will be a tougher test so probably drop him if he can't do the business against Burnley.

      He is a top player but at the moment he needs some time out, either physically or mentally, we can play Solanke, Origi or Shaq in his place plus Sturridge as impact sub.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1930: Dec 03, 2018 12:36:20 am
      Stunk the place out, thought he was the worst player on the pitch...again.

      Needs to sort his performances out.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1931: Dec 03, 2018 02:21:48 am
      Not too worried about little blips. He’s still one of the first names on the sheet for me. He doesn’t have to score goals to have a huge impact, not sure why people are still over looking that fact.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1932: Dec 03, 2018 02:59:45 am
      Not too worried about little blips. He’s still one of the first names on the sheet for me. He doesn’t have to score goals to have a huge impact, not sure why people are still over looking that fact.

      For me it was how sloppy he was in possession this game. Some really poor losses of the ball.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1933: Dec 03, 2018 08:48:32 am
      I’m not going to dig him out as he’s my fav player - his form is poor but he’ll turn it around. Love him.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1934: Dec 03, 2018 09:29:05 am
      He is a top player but at the moment he needs some time out, either physically or mentally, we can play Solanke, Origi or Shaq in his place plus Sturridge as impact sub.
      We can give him Burnley though. We can beat them surely! He can rest against Bournemouth when it's a bit tougher. Burnley should be his last chance to prove himself before the Napoli game.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1935: Dec 03, 2018 09:34:36 am
      We can give him Burnley though. We can beat them surely! He can rest against Bournemouth when it's a bit tougher. Burnley should be his last chance to prove himself before the Napoli game.

      I'd give someone else a chance against both Burnley and Bournemouth, either Solanke or Origi, play them as the striker with Shaq, Mane and Salah behind them and see if they can rise to occasion, at the moment they can't really be any worse than Bobby and if they impress then also play them against Napoli. Bobby needs some more competition, as do all the forwards actually.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1936: Dec 03, 2018 09:47:24 am
      I'd give someone else a chance against both Burnley and Bournemouth, either Solanke or Origi, play them as the striker with Shaq, Mane and Salah behind them and see if they can rise to occasion, at the moment they can't really be any worse than Bobby and if they impress then also play them against Napoli. Bobby needs some more competition, as do all the forwards actually.
      I don't want to go back to 4-2-3-1.

      Maybe this?

      Shaqiri  Salah    Origi?

                     Keita
             Fab              Gini

      Robbo Gomez VVD TAA

                    Alisson

      I'd be inclined to give Fabinho the nod against Burnley purely because he's not at his best and we need our best in the next game, thought above would be first 11 right now. Didn't forget about Mane either, he's starting to turn into Benteke with all his ridiculous missing from close range. We have room to change forwards because it's not doing well right now, but formations and defense should not be messed with.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1937: Dec 03, 2018 10:39:38 am
      I don't want to go back to 4-2-3-1.

      Maybe this?

      Shaqiri  Salah    Origi?

                     Keita
             Fab              Gini

      Robbo Gomez VVD TAA

                    Alisson

      I'd be inclined to give Fabinho the nod against Burnley purely because he's not at his best and we need our best in the next game, thought above would be first 11 right now. Didn't forget about Mane either, he's starting to turn into Benteke with all his ridiculous missing from close range. We have room to change forwards because it's not doing well right now, but formations and defense should not be messed with.

      I don't mind the 4-2-3-1 formation, the problem we've been having with it has been Bobby being wasteful in possession, if we had Shaq in the middle with Salah and Sadio to his sides and Origi or Solanke as the target man then I think it could work, worth a go anyway.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1938: Dec 03, 2018 11:42:04 am
      Said yesterday at HT that Bobby needs a extended break, when you think about how much football the lad has played over the last 18months or so, its just not the number of games he's played in,  its the intensity of those games,
      Then came the WC, and the lengthy months that took up, instead putting his feet up for a couple of months he continued to train, travel, play, train travel play etc etc,
      Is it any wonder then he's well off his usual exuberance?

      Yes ok there are others who are in a similar situation but each player is different and will have different recovery levels,

      As i touched on yesterday,  we are at the start of a sustained period of games where our success this season will be determined ,
      Where we will need all of our players at their optimum,  this the ideal opportunity to  rest our main protagonists whilst giving those on the periphery the games that will get them up to speed and match fitness,

      Bobby needs a rest, he's pivotal for us and we wont be the same without him, if he were to break down completely, so id be inclined to take him out altogether just for a few weeks and recharge the batteries.

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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1939: Dec 03, 2018 02:04:41 pm
      Playing so deep isn't doing him any favours.

      Get him spending more time up front and he'll score, and create.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1940: Dec 03, 2018 02:35:36 pm
      For me it was how sloppy he was in possession this game. Some really poor losses of the ball.


      Oh my word, he has some sloppy posession in one game and people want to put him on the bench. Arguably our best and most consistent player and really our best creator now that Coutinho is gone. Bobby creates so much space for Mane and Salah, not to mention he’s the spearhead of our forward press. Like I said, one of the first names on the sheet for me. Truly unselfish, team first attitude and a model footballer.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1941: Dec 03, 2018 02:43:47 pm
      Better suited to the False 9 role than going full 10.
      Leading the press from the front is definitely his game.
      Being the link between midfield and attack doesn't seem to be the best use of him,
      although there aren't really many options until Keita is ready or Ox returns.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1942: Dec 03, 2018 02:45:31 pm
      I quite agree that he look tired and maybe need some rest. But if that isn't what the main reason his his poor form I rather want to see Klopp continue playing him. My reasons is from last game I saw signs of Mane and Salah of old are coming. Just a matter of time they reach their proper level again. And that of course can help Bobby too.

      But I'm quietly believe Bobby's best position is only where he play last season. Not convince of play him as current role. 

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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1943: Dec 03, 2018 02:46:54 pm
      Needs a break and pushed back into a false 9 role again...Looks a bit lost on the pitch..

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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1944: Dec 03, 2018 02:58:39 pm
      Needs a break and pushed back into a false 9 role again...Looks a bit lost on the pitch..



      Never hides though mate does he?

      Bobby is the best of us.

      He is also out of form and more pertinently in my opinion - confidence.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1945: Dec 03, 2018 03:07:36 pm
      Never hides though mate does he?

      Bobby is the best of us.

      He is also out of form and more pertinently in my opinion - confidence.

      Fancy Bobby to be bang on form for Napoli...
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1946: Dec 03, 2018 03:15:08 pm
      Fancy Bobby to be bang on form for Napoli...

      That would be nice.
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      Reply #1947: Dec 03, 2018 03:31:28 pm
      Fancy Bobby to be bang on form for Napoli...

      If he's rested the next 2 games yes.
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      Reply #1948: Dec 03, 2018 03:43:52 pm
      The lad needs a rest,when he got put through in the second half you could see his legs were heavy. Rest him midweek
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1949: Dec 03, 2018 07:55:49 pm
      He looks very tired and has lost form too. We need to rest him next Wednesday to regain his form and fitness.

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