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      Roberto Firmino Player Thread

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      heimdall
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1900: Nov 05, 2018 10:08:24 am
      The bigger worry is the all round game which seems to be off . Would definitely be playing Sturridge on Tuesday especially now that the pressing duties are not needed as much with how we are currently  playing

      This is the key difference between us and Citeh at the moment, they have options up top we have none, not really. Yes I know Sturridge has been good so far but really only as an impact sub, we literally have no realistic options aside from our current front three and I think this lack of competition is hurting us. The decision to not get Fekir or a similar player is really starting to bite us I think.
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      Reply #1901: Nov 05, 2018 10:41:42 am
      This is the key difference between us and Citeh at the moment, they have options up top we have none, not really. Yes I know Sturridge has been good so far but really only as an impact sub, we literally have no realistic options aside from our current front three and I think this lack of competition is hurting us. The decision to not get Fekir or a similar player is really starting to bite us I think.

      Yes I agree think Sturridge has been underused even as a sub TBH our most natural finisher by a mile . This area needs looking at even in Janaury
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      Reply #1902: Nov 05, 2018 10:50:11 am
      Would definitely look to rest him. I read he has started near 70 odd games this year alone and the way he plays he needs to be all guns blazing.

      I would give him the next two games on the bench as he will have international duty aswel.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1903: Nov 06, 2018 02:26:06 am
      I said before start season we need forward because front three play lot football with world cup we need fresh up, if front three don't start get goals one or two back line get injury we not hope in hell winning league or even second spot
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1904: Nov 06, 2018 05:14:48 pm
      2 goals in 11 PL appearances. Not got enough
      Form is temporary..

      To look at another stat, Firmino has scored or assisted 19 goals in the champions league since the beginning of last season, more than any other player in that time.

      I don’t think Firmino should ever really be judged on his goal scoring though because he is not a traditional striker. I’m confident that if you replaced Firmino with any other ‘striker’ last season then Salah does not get half as many goals.

      Saying all that, his performances clearly haven’t been up to the standard of last season even outwith the goals but he will come good. I don’t see anyone benefitting from dropping him.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1905: Nov 16, 2018 10:14:30 am
      Not getting the goals isn’t usually an issue with Bobby, his performances usually have nearly just as much of an impact in the sense that his work rate, and general involvement in the goals makes up for it. But right now, he’s offering us next to nothing, his performances simply haven’t been good enough and it’s been like that most the season. Right now, I don’t know why he’s starting ahead of Sturridge.
      Hope we see the old Bobby back after the break.
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      Reply #1906: Nov 16, 2018 10:49:31 am
      Not getting the goals isn’t usually an issue with Bobby, his performances usually have nearly just as much of an impact in the sense that his work rate, and general involvement in the goals makes up for it. But right now, he’s offering us next to nothing, his performances simply haven’t been good enough and it’s been like that most the season. Right now, I don’t know why he’s starting ahead of Sturridge.
      Hope we see the old Bobby back after the break.

      Interesting mate. I agree he’s been off it BUT I thought the 2nd half vs Red Star shows why we’re better with an under par Bobby than the alternatives.......

      We were much more fluid / cohesive and whilst it still didn’t amount to much we looked like a team.

      Understand the view re Bobby and form - I really do. I just don’t think Studge offers enough all round game to be considered a viable alternative in our system.
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      Reply #1907: Nov 16, 2018 10:52:02 am
      Not getting the goals isn’t usually an issue with Bobby, his performances usually have nearly just as much of an impact in the sense that his work rate, and general involvement in the goals makes up for it. But right now, he’s offering us next to nothing, his performances simply haven’t been good enough and it’s been like that most the season. Right now, I don’t know why he’s starting ahead of Sturridge.
      Hope we see the old Bobby back after the break.

      Sturridge simply isn't an option form the start, he is however good as an impact sub for the last 10-15 minutes. The reason for that is not skill but rather workrate and how he fails to link up well with Mo and Sadio.
      For Sturrdige to work we'd have to alter the formation
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1908: Nov 25, 2018 02:10:21 am
      https://m.imgur.com/a/ukhZcd8

      This happened yesterday..
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      Reply #1909: Nov 25, 2018 11:07:50 am
      About bloody time he scored! Thought Mane should have done better, probably had time to take a touch and set himself instead of kicking it straight at Foster but as result it ended Bobby’s goal drought so it’s all good.
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      Reply #1910: Nov 28, 2018 10:44:34 pm
      Desperately poor tonight.

      Causing concern.
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      Reply #1911: Nov 28, 2018 11:06:03 pm
      Tonight was as poor as I've seen him play.
      Don't think we can afford to keep playing him in a effort to have him play his way back into form.
      Not sure I fancy Studge to come in though. So Shaq I guess.
      If we manage to squeeze through to the CL knockout stage, and are still a point or two ahead/behind City come Jan in the PL, would Jürgen try to bring in someone in Jan up top to try and push on in both comps.
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      Reply #1912: Nov 28, 2018 11:09:30 pm
      Tonight was as poor as I've seen him play.
      Don't think we can afford to keep playing him in a effort to have him play his way back into form.
      Not sure I fancy Studge to come in though. So Shaq I guess.
      If we manage to squeeze through to the CL knockout stage, and are still a point or two ahead/behind City come Jan in the PL, would Jürgen try to bring in someone in Jan up top to try and push on in both comps.


      Poor touch gave the ball away which sent them on the break for their second. Maybe had one good touch all game which was moments before that match costing horror touch. Shocking ball in to nowheresville when we got ourselves into a good position. Absent off the ball. Dreadful passing of the ball. I can't remember a period in which he's played this poorly for Liverpool.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1913: Nov 28, 2018 11:16:46 pm
      Garbage this season in all the big games.

      Needs dropping for a while now.

      Would like to see Solanke given a go up top and Brewster when he's match fit.

      Danny is no longer an option he's one season off needing a summer frame to get around the pitch.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1914: Nov 29, 2018 12:12:27 am
      Garbage this season in all the big games.

      Needs dropping for a while now.

      Would like to see Solanke given a go up top and Brewster when he's match fit.

      Danny is no longer an option he's one season off needing a summer frame to get around the pitch.

      He is being asked to play as a No 10, I'm sure I have mentioned to you before look at the positions on the pitch, Salah is our striker.

      Solanke or Brewster are not a No 10, he needs time to adjust from being a hybrid 9/10 to now more of a 20, you must have noticed how much more he is dropping deep.

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      Reply #1915: Nov 29, 2018 03:11:42 am
      When our fullbacks are stuck deeper and not dragging players wide with the overload kills the space he likes to play in but even so he's been stinking up the place for a while.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1916: Nov 29, 2018 03:23:42 am
      Poor touch gave the ball away which sent them on the break for their second. Maybe had one good touch all game which was moments before that match costing horror touch. Shocking ball in to nowheresville when we got ourselves into a good position. Absent off the ball. Dreadful passing of the ball. I can't remember a period in which he's played this poorly for Liverpool.

      When Rodgers was sticking him  essentially at WB he was pretty bad
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1917: Nov 29, 2018 08:06:25 pm
      Bobby owes Jürgen big time for the faith he's showing in him through a very long period of poor form. He's such a key player for our style of play, and I think that is why Jürgen is sticking with him ( and I think it is also a key to why we are not really clicking in attack with him struggling). Personally I'd have dropped him by now, but Jürgen knows his situation better than me, and there is every chance Bobby will pay him back as the season goes on. Wish he'd hurry up though.
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      Reply #1918: Nov 30, 2018 09:28:55 am
      Bobby owes Jürgen big time for the faith he's showing in him through a very long period of poor form. He's such a key player for our style of play, and I think that is why Jürgen is sticking with him ( and I think it is also a key to why we are not really clicking in attack with him struggling). Personally I'd have dropped him by now, but Jürgen knows his situation better than me, and there is every chance Bobby will pay him back as the season goes on. Wish he'd hurry up though.

      I think a big factor in this is the change in style this year.

      Bobby was at his best when we hit teams fast before they had a chance to set up defensively or when we relentlessly pressed high up.

      We are much slower now and very rarely break a lightening speed.

      All this slow build up possession based play has us mostly trying to play through two blocks of 4 and none of our front 3 have the space we had last season.

      I think we have gone way too defensive which is why the front three look sh*t.

      It also doesn't help that our midfield trio are less creative than a 90 year old woman with a Zimmer frame would be.
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      Reply #1919: Nov 30, 2018 12:04:44 pm
      I think a big factor in this is the change in style this year.

      Bobby was at his best when we hit teams fast before they had a chance to set up defensively or when we relentlessly pressed high up.

      We are much slower now and very rarely break a lightening speed.

      All this slow build up possession based play has us mostly trying to play through two blocks of 4 and none of our front 3 have the space we had last season.

      I think we have gone way too defensive which is why the front three look sh*t.

      It also doesn't help that our midfield trio are less creative than a 90 year old woman with a Zimmer frame would be.

      He's playing a much deeper role this season mate, especially when Shaqiri is on.

      I think Klopp knows the lack of a runner from midfield is stifling us a bit so he wants Firmino to play deeper to try and link up the play a bit more.
      Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but whatever the case, when Keita is integrated fully, we'll see Firmino playing higher again.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1920: Nov 30, 2018 12:59:47 pm
      I think a big factor in this is the change in style this year.

      Bobby was at his best when we hit teams fast before they had a chance to set up defensively or when we relentlessly pressed high up.

      We are much slower now and very rarely break a lightening speed.

      All this slow build up possession based play has us mostly trying to play through two blocks of 4 and none of our front 3 have the space we had last season.

      I think we have gone way too defensive which is why the front three look sh*t.

      It also doesn't help that our midfield trio are less creative than a 90 year old woman with a Zimmer frame would be.

      That's what I thought exactly mate. Vital point is Bobby start too deep result in opponent CBs can less worry about him and they have time to take care of Salah and Mane.  Even when Bobby manage to get a ball he's not able to go straight through too many opponents as he's not Messi.  Also in such situation we just have only one or two forward players (Mo and/or Mane) ahead of him.  That's definitely hard for Bobby to take advantage for us. Finally with zero forward run support from our three midfielders his job is nothing but impossible.     
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1921: Nov 30, 2018 01:12:24 pm
      Still vital. Absolute world class.

      The alternatives don’t bear thinking about.

      He’ll be on it again soon.
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      Reply #1922: Nov 30, 2018 01:22:49 pm
      Still vital. Absolute world class.

      The alternatives don’t bear thinking about.

      He’ll be on it again soon.

      I've been hearing that all season now, next game we'll click into gear, but it simply isn't happening.
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      Reply #1923: Nov 30, 2018 02:17:35 pm
      I've been hearing that all season now, next game we'll click into gear, but it simply isn't happening.

      Good grief, just imagine when it does or when Klopp decides to allow us, it’s going to be f**king magic..But as of now we are still in all 3 competions without even ‘clicking’...& we are the only ones who decide our fate..
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1924: Nov 30, 2018 02:18:04 pm
      I've been hearing that all season now, next game we'll click into gear, but it simply isn't happening.

      Problem is, Klopp has become so reliant on the front 3, that the team doesn't know how to and isn't then able to adapt without them.

      The 'squad depth' gets so rarely used, that when they are used, they do not gel, and then they get dropped in a flash. We've seen moments of Sturridge. He's had bit part games (other than that start against Red Star in which he got dropped after 45 minutes). It's a catch 22 that he and Shaqiri are facing. When they do play, they are not up to form (lack of game minutes) and the team do not fully adapt to their own style of play. Then they don't 'play well enough' (often the criticism of Sturridge, and in the last game the same was said of Shaqiri).

      These lads will not have a great game until they get enough game time to get into form, and until the team knows how to play with them. For Sturridge it's even worse. Because of the reliance on the front 3, we've basically forgotten how to play with a Striker. When Sturridge does play, he doesn't get to play the Striker role. I see his movement, and he basically gets ignored. He is expected to play a Firmino role, yet Firmino is not expected to play the Sturridge role.

      The midfield has a similar problem with Keita unable to get going because he needs the minutes to burst into form.. but he's not getting the minutes because he's not in form.

      Too much of the same, with limited tactical changes when the opportunity presents itself.

      Firmino is pretty poor at the moment and we need a change.

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