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      Roberto Firmino Player Thread

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      skolRED
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2125: May 04, 2019 07:58:53 am
      Yeah let's have everyone in the team score 15-20 a season

      Our team is built to get the best out of Mo and Sadio..
      Bobby, the midfield and the full backs are integral in that.. the midfield don't really break beyond the front three to get the numbers that say a Stevie or Lamaprd got in their hay day, they narrow the pitch to allow the full backs space

      If they decide to blam shots from all sorts of angles then  you'd likely find us easily countered on with our full backs so high and the retention on the ball gone

      Bobbys numbers are good to say he's mainly a creative pivot for the rest of the side and a first line of the press.. he's got 43 goals all comps over the last two season which is pretty much one in two

      The essence here is if we brought in a "traditional" number 9 he wouldn't likely be the first line of the press as effectively as Bobby is and because those type are (rightfully so on the right system) selfish would the increase on Bobbys 21.5 a season to maybe 30 a season take away from Mo  and Sadios numbers? (Sadio more this year than last because if you look at Sadio and Bobby over the last two years there's like one goal between them)

      I personally think dropping a "proper number 9" into this side would change the dynamics of it too much and not in a positive way

      Personally I'd prefer we have more better options of the types we have now than have a different option
      We'd be far better off having rotation that suited our current style than a different style
      Agree with most of your post mate just some parts I think different.

      the midfield don't really break beyond the front three to get the numbers
      IMO this part is not Klopp's specific plan but more like his midfielders of Milner/Wijnaldum/Henderson not capable to do it well enough. So he bring in AOC and Keita to doing so.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2126: May 04, 2019 09:13:19 am
      A lot of muddying the waters going on. We dont need a 9, but if we had one that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

      Preferably we would look at bringing in a player who like the current front 3 can play to a high standard anywhere along that front line.

      But at this stage it would be nice if we could turn to somebody who is a level above the backup we have now.

      I wouldn't advocate blowing the whole budget on that position but I trust in Klopp and his team to find that player who will allow us rest and rotate the front 3 more and then also be able to play 4 or 5 in a row if injury occurs for less than 40 million.

      There’s no doubt the debate does get distorted.

      I tend to react to the idea that a more prolific no.9 than Bobby would be a net gain. He offers us so much more than just his goals.

      Another versatile forward - ideally one who can play centrally - I’m all for.

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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2127: May 04, 2019 09:26:23 am
      There’s no doubt the debate does get distorted.

      I tend to react to the idea that a more prolific no.9 than Bobby would be a net gain. He offers us so much more than just his goals.

      Another versatile forward - ideally one who can play centrally - I’m all for.

      He's got 43 all comps last two seasons

      We aren't talking Diouf numbers here like some would like you to think

      Let alone as you rightly say everything else he brings to the team which is invaluable
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2128: May 04, 2019 09:35:11 am
      He's got 43 all comps last two seasons

      We aren't talking Diouf numbers here like some would like you to think

      Let alone as you rightly say everything else he brings to the team which is invaluable

      Amen bro
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2129: May 04, 2019 10:58:42 am
      Yeah let's have everyone in the team score 15-20 a season

      Our team is built to get the best out of Mo and Sadio..
      Bobby, the midfield and the full backs are integral in that.. the midfield don't really break beyond the front three to get the numbers that say a Stevie or Lamaprd got in their hay day, they narrow the pitch to allow the full backs space

      If they decide to blam shots from all sorts of angles then  you'd likely find us easily countered on with our full backs so high and the retention on the ball gone

      Bobbys numbers are good to say he's mainly a creative pivot for the rest of the side and a first line of the press.. he's got 43 goals all comps over the last two season which is pretty much one in two

      The essence here is if we brought in a "traditional" number 9 he wouldn't likely be the first line of the press as effectively as Bobby is and because those type are (rightfully so on the right system) selfish would the increase on Bobbys 21.5 a season to maybe 30 a season take away from Mo  and Sadios numbers? (Sadio more this year than last because if you look at Sadio and Bobby over the last two years there's like one goal between them)

      I personally think dropping a "proper number 9" into this side would change the dynamics of it too much and not in a positive way

      Personally I'd prefer we have more better options of the types we have now than have a different option
      We'd be far better off having rotation that suited our current style than a different style

      I think you are right in your analysis and role for Bobby which slightly contradicts your statement that all three interchange all match, they don't, Bobby is the link player setting up Sadio and Mo. I would though like to see more goals from midfield, we need to develop that aspect of our game as it will mean opposition teams will find it virtually impossible to stop us from scoring, even more than they currently do.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2130: May 04, 2019 12:07:52 pm
      Pundits do talk utter sh*t, but sometimes sense, just like managers , fans ( Klopp, Rafa, Rodgers etc) and players. But when you give people sh*t for questioning Klopp because they don't have the same info and experience, maybe you should shut the f**k up and stop critising pundits(or anything where you hold less info/experience) because you don't have the same info and experience, right? 
      When pundits stop talking in cliches and make some sense I might give them some credit.
      Example; when a pundit says "a traditional 9" what they mean is big bloke to hoof it up to, and players picking up the scraps.
      This, they invariably describe as "The English way" as though aimlessly hoofing it for a big bloke to try and knock down is the height of sophistication.
      Pundits have access to no more information than anyone else.
      Why the f**k should anyone be given credit for spouting cliche'd bollocks, and not understanding a system or team.
      F***ing hell, it took MOTD pundits 3 years to work out that Klopp uses the fullbacks as a main attacking outlet.
      And you want me to respect the dozy cu*ts and give them credit? HA!  :lmao:

      I understand this might be difficult for you, but try watching with the sound off, use your eyes, and you might actually learn something.

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      My point was that you think every player at the highest level has similar ability, therefore, Firmino the most rounded forwards can play as a poacher if needs be according to you.
      Firmino can play as a poacher.
      We've seen him score what pundits would stupidly describe as "poachers goals" a number of times.
      But the bottom line here is that "poacher" is yet another meaningless cliche, because the pundits who say it are lazy cu*ts caught in the past with no real understanding of a game that has left them behind.

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      Fabinho is a DM and playing more or less a DM role for us, just like Hendo did in which you said he has been playing the DM role when people called him out for his lack of support to our attacking players, so what has changed for you not to think Fabinho is playing a DM role? Or do you simply not see him as a DM player, but more a utility player? If so, being 5th choice CB and 4th(?) choice RB doesn't neglect the fact that he is best played in the 6 role as a DM which is considered his speciality... by pretty much everyone except you.
      And yet gain you completely ignore Klopp's systems.
      He doesn't play a "traditional 6" any more than he plays a "traditional 9".
      I know it's difficult for you to understand without some talking head walking you through it, but again, try, for once in your life, to think for yourself.

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      Seriously, which gobs***e pundit is saying this? Please link me because I haven't seen any saying we should go for a 9. The irony of it all, It is you who is wasting your time watching these pundits you hate so much.
      Heard it on MOTD, live matches, in the media, all spouted by ex players who are also English.
      It's bollocks, there is no "traditional English way of playing" unless they mean getting beaten by teams who actually play football.

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      I am not talking about the brain, and Balotelli is a fine example, but I don't know wtf you even bring that up? You just can't seem to accept that players have different levels of ability, some similar , some not. Look at your Kante and Masch, similar size to your Pjanic, Verratti and Arthur, all with that elite brain, yet they don't play like them. Maybe ask yourself why? Or do you think they can if asked to? ;)
      It's no surprise that you cannot understand the importance of what's between the ears in football.
      I've seen so many players who are hugely talented but fail because they re not quick enough in thought.
      Messi isn't light years ahead in terms of pure ability, he is light years ahead in what he see's, how quickly he reacts to it, and how quickly he exploits it.
      It's exactly the same with all great players. They see things a step ahead of everyone else.
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      I understand what he is saying about the Barca match, and I was for Wijnaldum as the false 9 vs Barca. We created enough chances to win the game, my wanting a striker has nothing to do with the tactics we started with, but when you are behind, when you are  looking to score a goal, when Firmino isn't working as the false 9, this is where your alternative can come in and bring in something different, a player more clinical in and around the box. And I bet my life, if Klopp had Aguero or a peak Sturridge, he'd be playing one of them instead of Wijnaldum.
      You wanting a "traditional 9" has to do with some random gobs***e pundit saying it.
      It's nothing to do with what you think, it's just bullshit repeated, hence why you get so angry when anyone criticises pundits.
      Turn the sound off, wtch the mtch, and maybe you'll actually see and learn something that hasn't been spoon fed to you by some ropey ex-player.

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      Klopp has used Salah as the 9, he has used a 9 at Dortmund. Klopp has shown it can work.. FACT.

      And now you've turned all the way into Alan Partridge.  :lmao:
      Shouting "FACT" doesn't make something a fact, it makes you look like an idiot.
      All our forwards have played in the "9" position as you call it, but you completely miss the point that they rotate in and out of that position.
      I'll wait until a pundit spots it in 3 years time, then you'll repeat it. But still not understand it.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2131: May 04, 2019 12:10:20 pm
      There’s no doubt the debate does get distorted.

      I tend to react to the idea that a more prolific no.9 than Bobby would be a net gain. He offers us so much more than just his goals.

      Another versatile forward - ideally one who can play centrally - I’m all for.

      Versatile, on the same level as our current 3, and able to play across the line.
      In other words, backup and a bit more depth.
      Surely any one of us would welcome that.

      But a "traditional 9"?
      In the English sense of a big bloke knocking it down?
      Nope.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2132: May 04, 2019 12:31:42 pm
      Versatile, on the same level as our current 3, and able to play across the line.
      In other words, backup and a bit more depth.
      Surely any one of us would welcome that.

      But a "traditional 9"?
      In the English sense of a big bloke knocking it down?
      Nope.

      We certainly don't need a 9 like that. Reports are that next season will be Brewsters breakthrough season and if hes ready and Klopp trusts him then that's fine.

      If he would rather put Wijnaldum up front than Rhian when push comes to shove though then that's still an issue for me.
      « Last Edit: May 04, 2019 12:52:40 pm by fields of anny rd »
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2133: May 04, 2019 02:09:18 pm
      We certainly don't need a 9 like that. Reports are that next season will be Brewsters breakthrough season and if hes ready and Klopp trusts him then that's fine.

      If he would rather put Wijnaldum up front than Rhian when push comes to shove though then that's still an issue for me.

      Wijnaldum up front?

      I've heard people describe him as a "false 9" against Barca, but I don't think that was the case.
      If I was forced to apply a label, I'd say "defensive 10", and I think he played the role pretty well.
      I'd say his defensive work was the reason we kept Barca pressed back/in for long periods.

      I'm looking forwards to seeing how Brewster comes through.
      He looks the part, but that final step is the hardest.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2134: May 04, 2019 02:32:53 pm
      When pundits stop talking in cliches and make some sense I might give them some credit.
      Example; when a pundit says "a traditional 9" what they mean is big bloke to hoof it up to, and players picking up the scraps.
      This, they invariably describe as "The English way" as though aimlessly hoofing it for a big bloke to try and knock down is the height of sophistication.
      Pundits have access to no more information than anyone else.
      Why the f**k should anyone be given credit for spouting cliche'd bollocks, and not understanding a system or team.
      F***ing hell, it took MOTD pundits 3 years to work out that Klopp uses the fullbacks as a main attacking outlet.
      And you want me to respect the dozy cu*ts and give them credit? HA! 

      I understand this might be difficult for you, but try watching with the sound off, use your eyes, and you might actually learn something.

      Seriously. You basically said it in your own words, how can you criticise anything when you don't have the same level of information and experience. Maybe, as you have said, try to understand why they are saying the things they said because you don't have the same information and experience as them, right? ;)

      Firmino can play as a poacher.
      We've seen him score what pundits would stupidly describe as "poachers goals" a number of times.
      But the bottom line here is that "poacher" is yet another meaningless cliche, because the pundits who say it are lazy cu*ts caught in the past with no real understanding of a game that has left them behind.

      I have seen Fabinho, Hendo and even Wijnaldum play hollywood balls, doesn't mean they can play as a DLPM like your Alonso or Gerrard.

      Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe if we are in desperate need of a goal, the better option would be to bring on a more clinical striker, a poacher or a Suarez, Cavani, D.Costa, Lewandowski type instead of moving Firmino into that role?

      And I don't see the problem in using the term, poacher for players like, Inzaghi, Fowler , Hernandez etc, just like I have np with target man/traditional 9 etc being used to describe players like Benteke or Carroll etc.

      And yet gain you completely ignore Klopp's systems.
      He doesn't play a "traditional 6" any more than he plays a "traditional 9".
      I know it's difficult for you to understand without some talking head walking you through it, but again, try, for once in your life, to think for yourself.

      Who is talking about Fabinho playing as a traditional 6? What is a traditional 6? Someone that sits in front of the defence 99% of the time? You called Hendo a DM without any explanation of how Klopp likes his DM, yet when I call Fabinho a DM, you oddly try to twist things to suit your weird agenda and try to put it out there I am talking about him sitting in front of the CB's 24/7. When I put the DM tag on Fabinho or Hendo, it is under the assumption people know I am talking about a DM under Klopp rather than being a traditional DM role.

      It's no surprise that you cannot understand the importance of what's between the ears in football.
      I've seen so many players who are hugely talented but fail because they re not quick enough in thought.
      Messi isn't light years ahead in terms of pure ability, he is light years ahead in what he see's, how quickly he reacts to it, and how quickly he exploits it.
      It's exactly the same with all great players. They see things a step ahead of everyone else.

      But you still haven't answered my question, what sets Kante apart from the likes of Verratti, Pjanic, Xavi or Arthur? Why can't Kante play like them? Maybe, just maybe they have different levels of technical ability? Just face it, some players are similar in ability, some are not and miles off.

      You wanting a "traditional 9" has to do with some random gobs***e pundit saying it.
      It's nothing to do with what you think, it's just bullshit repeated, hence why you get so angry when anyone criticises pundits.
      Turn the sound off, wtch the mtch, and maybe you'll actually see and learn something that hasn't been spoon fed to you by some ropey ex-player.

      But a "traditional 9"?
      In the English sense of a big bloke knocking it down?

      Quote me where I say I want a traditional 9, please? I said it a few times a while back where I wanted a striker like a Cavani, Suarez, Lewandowski or D.Costa, but I wouldn't be against a poacher like Alcacer.

      And no, Swab, you fail to understand I don't care if someone calls pundits out for being stupid or clueless, I actually agree with them when they do post on the pundits thread. What I do is, I call you out for your hypocrisy, idiocy and arrogance after you attack people for criticising Klopp and not having the same information and experience, and that information and experience the pundits have you do not have ;)

      And now you've turned all the way into Alan Partridge. 
      Shouting "FACT" doesn't make something a fact, it makes you look like an idiot.
      All our forwards have played in the "9" position as you call it, but you completely miss the point that they rotate in and out of that position.
      I'll wait until a pundit spots it in 3 years time, then you'll repeat it. But still not understand it.

      No one is denying how fluid we are up front, but what you can't understand is, a striker up top can be fluid too, a striker can occupy wide areas and make runs as good as, if not better than Firmino.
      And what you refuse to accept is, having a alternative as the 9 can work. Maybe we will be lesser in the counter pressing department, but we have also shown we are capable of the patient game without that aggressive counter pressing approach.

      Fair enough if you want a lesser version of Firmino over a natural 9,  but to say an alternative wouldn't work and to suggest we would fall apart or a complete system change to how we have played this season is ludicrous. Like I said before, Klopp has shown it can work without us playing Firmino as the false 9.

      Oh, and Swab, I think Firmino is world class and first name on the team sheet, saves you from calling me a hater or wanting Firmino to be replaced.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2135: May 04, 2019 03:01:19 pm
      Seriously. You basically said it in your own words, how can you criticise anything when you don't have the same level of information and experience. Maybe, as you have said, try to understand why they are saying the things they said because you don't have the same information and experience as them, right? ;) 
      You seem to be having trouble processing information.
      I said Klopp has all the information (which he does)
      None of these thick as sh*t pundits have that information.
      They have monitors, same as I do, y'know TV screens where you watch? That's what they have, so f**k off with this lame sh*t about how they have "all the information".
      They don't.
      And experience is only any good if you have the intelligence to use it to properly analyse what's in front of you.
      Again, most pundits don't.

      Try thinking for yourself instead of relying on what some thick as sh*t, jobs for the boys bullshit artist tells you


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      I have seen Fabinho, Hendo and even Wijnaldum play hollywood balls, doesn't mean they can play as a DLPM like your Alonso or Gerrard.
      Where's the yawn emoji

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      Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe if we are in desperate need of a goal, the better option would be to bring on a more clinical striker, a poacher or a Suarez, Cavani, D.Costa, Lewandowski type instead of moving Firmino into that role?
      Yes, we should take away attacking threat from the side in favour of doing what the thick as sh*t pundits say.
      Got it.

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      And I don't see the problem in using the term, poacher for players like, Inzaghi, Fowler , Hernandez etc, just like I have np with target man/traditional 9 etc being used to describe players like Benteke or Carroll etc.
      No, you wouldn't see the problem, because you can't think for yourself ad have to rely on thick as sh*t pundits to do your thinking for you.

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      Who is talking about Fabinho playing as a traditional 6? What is a traditional 6? Someone that sits in front of the defence 99% of the time? You called Hendo a DM without any explanation of how Klopp likes his DM, yet when I call Fabinho a DM, you oddly try to twist things to suit your weird agenda and try to put it out there I am talking about him sitting in front of the CB's 24/7. When I put the DM tag on Fabinho or Hendo, it is under the assumption people know I am talking about a DM under Klopp rather than being a traditional DM role.
      You were talking about it, and more to the point, you won't stop banging on about "I said it all along" when we don't (and never have) played a "traditional 6" or "DM" under Klopp.
      Again, you lack the intelligence to understand the subtle differences between roles.
      This is what happens when you rely on thick as sh*t pundits to d your thinking for you.

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      But you still haven't answered my question, what sets Kante apart from the likes of Verratti, Pjanic, Xavi or Arthur? Why can't Kante play like them? Maybe, just maybe they have different levels of technical ability? Just face it, some players are similar in ability, some are not and miles off.

      Again, you have herd the term "technical ability" thrown out by some thick as sh*t pundit and now keep using it like you know what it means.
      You clearly don't


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      And no, Swab, you fail to understand I don't care if someone calls pundits out for being stupid or clueless, I actually agree with them when they do post on the pundits thread. What I do is, I call you out for your hypocrisy, idiocy and arrogance after you attack people for criticising Klopp and not having the same information and experience, and that information and experience the pundits have you do not have ;)
      No hypocrisy here.
      Just because you lack the intelligence to understand that a pundit does not have the same information that Klopp has, does not indicate hypocrisy.
      It indicates the fact that you equate thick as sh*t pundits with top managers who have masses of information that pundits don't.
      It's hard to believe that some could be thicker than Phil Neville, but damn if you aren't giving it a go.

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      No one is denying how fluid we are up front, but what you can't understand is, a striker up top can be fluid too, a striker can occupy wide areas and make runs as good as, if not better than Firmino.
      And what you refuse to accept is, having a alternative as the 9 can work. Maybe we will be lesser in the counter pressing department, but we have also shown we are capable of the patient approach without that aggressive counter pressing approach.
      Nope, you stated "a traditional 9" (and now trying to change it to a "natural 9", whatever that means) and in the context of getting it from a thick as sh*t pundit from Engerlund, that means a big bloke up top.
      They bang on about it constantly, and it's as ridiculous when you say it as it is when they say it.
      VVD started off as a striker, was he  "natural 9" or a "traditional 9" or just "not a 9".
      Stop throwing out bullshit jargon that you think sounds clever (it isn't)

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      Fair enough if you want a lesser version of Firmino over a natural 9,  but to say an alternative wouldn't work and to suggest we would fall apart or a complete system change to how we have played this season is ludicrous. Like I said before, Klopp has shown it can work without us playing Firmino as the false 9.
      So, here you are saying that no other forward in world football can be taught/coached to play the role Firmino plays.
      This crap of yours just gets more stupid with every post.
      I don't think there's a player who can come straight in and do the same job to the same standard immediately (as I said before) but there are players who can be taught.
      Get a f**king grip, "a natural 9" is just more bullshit pundit speak, but then that's your shtick isn't it.

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      Oh, and Swab, I think Firmino is world class and first name on the team sheet, saves you from calling me a hater or wanting Firmino to be replaced.
      What a strange little man you are.
      You want a "traditional 9" or now you've changed it, "a natural 9" and want to change a brilliant system because some random thick as sh*t pundit says we should and you thought it was clever to repeat it.
      It it's not broke, don't fix it.
      84 league goals, with 2 to play.
      91 points, with 2 to play.
      16 goals, 7 assists for Firmino but you want to put Giroud in there.
       :lmao:
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2136: May 04, 2019 03:29:45 pm
      You seem to be having trouble processing information.
      I said Klopp has all the information (which he does)
      None of these thick as sh*t pundits have that information.
      They have monitors, same as I do, y'know TV screens where you watch? That's what they have, so f**k off with this lame sh*t about how they have "all the information".
      They don't.
      And experience is only any good if you have the intelligence to use it to properly analyse what's in front of you.
      Again, most pundits don't.

      Try thinking for yourself instead of relying on what some thick as sh*t, jobs for the boys bullshit artist tells you

      They have more information and experience than you. They get to go watch live games, probably a wider tv angle than us, more detailed stats and stuff to bounce off ex professionals. They certainly know more than you.

      Yes, we should take away attacking threat from the side in favour of doing what the thick as sh*t pundits say.
      Got it.

      And what makes you think we will be less of a threat?

      You were talking about it, and more to the point, you won't stop banging on about "I said it all along" when we don't (and never have) played a "traditional 6" or "DM" under Klopp.
      Again, you lack the intelligence to understand the subtle differences between roles.
      This is what happens when you rely on thick as sh*t pundits to d your thinking for you.

      You said Hendo plays a DM role under Klopp when people questioned his lack of attacking support!!!!! And show me where I talk of our DM's playing as the traditional DM/6? Seriously, please show me.

       
      Again, you have herd the term "technical ability" thrown out by some thick as sh*t pundit and now keep using it like you know what it means.
      You clearly don't

      Just bloody google it and read up on what technical ability means ffs. Imagine thinking Drinkwater being similar in terms of technical ability to Wijnaldum...

      No hypocrisy here.
      Just because you lack the intelligence to understand that a pundit does not have the same information that Klopp has, does not indicate hypocrisy.
      It indicates the fact that you equate thick as sh*t pundits with top managers who have masses of information that pundits don't.
      It's hard to believe that some could be thicker than Phil Neville, but damn if you aren't giving it a go.

      It's not about the same information as Klopp, it's about having more information than you, therefore, with your logic, they are the superior over you and you don't have the right to criticise them.

      Nope, you stated "a traditional 9" (and now trying to change it to a "natural 9", whatever that means) and in the context of getting it from a thick as sh*t pundit from Engerlund, that means a big bloke up top.
      They bang on about it constantly, and it's as ridiculous when you say it as it is when they say it.
      VVD started off as a striker, was he  "natural 9" or a "traditional 9" or just "not a 9".
      Stop throwing out bullshit jargon that you think sounds clever (it isn't)

      Quote me then, show me where I talk of wanting a target man? I said, proper 9 which I deem it as a natural 9, but not once did I talk of wanting a target player. Like I said, quote me, please.

      So, here you are saying that no other forward in world football can be taught/coached to play the role Firmino plays.
      This crap of yours just gets more stupid with every post.
      I don't think there's a player who can come straight in and do the same job to the same standard immediately (as I said before) but there are players who can be taught.
      Get a f**king grip, "a natural 9" is just more bullshit pundit speak, but then that's your shtick isn't it.

      Omg , where did I say there are no forwards that can be taught or coached to play in the Firmino role? I can give you a name right now , a player similar but lesser of a player that would fit in with how Firmino players. Yussuf Poulsen from Leipzig!

      What a strange little man you are.
      You want a "traditional 9" or now you've changed it, "a natural 9" and want to change a brilliant system because some random thick as sh*t pundit says we should and you thought it was clever to repeat it.
      It it's not broke, don't fix it.
      84 league goals, with 2 to play.
      91 points, with 2 to play.
      16 goals, 7 assists for Firmino but you want to put Giroud in there.

      Jesus Christ, Swab!!!!!!  I am talking about an alternative 9, someone like a Lewandoski or a Torres type. Whether someone with potential or established. A player who can offer something different to our attack like what Alcacer offers to Dortmund, like what Giroud offers to Chelsea etc.

      Omg Swab, have a second read, seriously! I was giving examples!
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      Reply #2137: May 04, 2019 03:49:09 pm
      They have more information and experience than you. They get to go watch live games, probably a wider tv angle than us, more detailed stats and stuff to bounce off ex professionals. They certainly know more than you.
      :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
      Behave yourself, that's f**king pathetic.
      You really are an angry little fella aren't you?
      So easily triggered and so desperate to to "prove" that because you get your opinions from pundits, they simply must talk sense.
      Honestly, this is hilarious, but I'm not wasting any more time on this nonsense.

      Tell you what fella, you keep parroting the pundits, and I'll keep laughing at you for doing it.

      "They get to go to watch live games"  :lmao: like that's something special  :lmao:
      I've watched literally thousands of "live games" from conference sides right up to European and International games and everything in between.
      So using your logic, I also have what you think is "expert knowledge"
       :lmao:
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      Reply #2138: May 04, 2019 03:50:12 pm
      Wijnaldum up front?

      I've heard people describe him as a "false 9" against Barca, but I don't think that was the case.
      If I was forced to apply a label, I'd say "defensive 10", and I think he played the role pretty well.
      I'd say his defensive work was the reason we kept Barca pressed back/in for long periods.

      I'm looking forwards to seeing how Brewster comes through.
      He looks the part, but that final step is the hardest.


      Maybe laziness on my part but if he would rather resort to playing Wijnaldum as a false 9 or some sort of inverted triangle with the wide boys then Indont think that's great.

      I can see he would only do that against a strong side like Barca (Sturridge against Hudersfield) but I believe if he had a viable forward option he trusted he would still rather have played them.

      It's not something he would consider doing if Firmino was fit and I'd rather we improved plan A than went to that as plan B.
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      Reply #2139: May 04, 2019 04:16:37 pm
      Maybe laziness on my part but if he would rather resort to playing Wijnaldum as a false 9 or some sort of inverted triangle with the wide boys then Indont think that's great.

      I can see he would only do that against a strong side like Barca (Sturridge against Hudersfield) but I believe if he had a viable forward option he trusted he would still rather have played them.

      It's not something he would consider doing if Firmino was fit and I'd rather we improved plan A than went to that as plan B.

      I think we can all agree we need more depth up front.
      A player who could do the same as Firmino, once he's been Klopp'd would be ideal, and I hope we see someone come in who can give us that  extra depth.
      I think it's an area where we are short, and I'm probably not alone in that.
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      Reply #2140: May 04, 2019 06:48:29 pm
      I think we can all agree we need more depth up front.
      A player who could do the same as Firmino, once he's been Klopp'd would be ideal, and I hope we see someone come in who can give us that  extra depth.
      I think it's an area where we are short, and I'm probably not alone in that.

      Certainly, the question is is that man Brewster? or do we need someone else in as well?
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      Reply #2141: May 04, 2019 07:20:29 pm
      Certainly, the question is is that man Brewster? or do we need someone else in as well?

      I think we need someone else in, maybe even 2 if Origi goes, but as ever, only time will tell.
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      Reply #2142: May 05, 2019 10:41:02 pm
      For fucks sake, worst possible time to get injured.
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      Reply #2143: Jun 09, 2019 08:44:54 pm
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      Reply #2144: Jun 10, 2019 10:50:50 pm



       :D :D :D
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2145: Jun 15, 2019 03:34:56 pm
      One of the classiest forwards in world football. What a signing by Rodgers and Co.

      Firmino is already a Liverpool legend

      Do you think it’s one of the reasons Klopp agreed to come to Liverpool?

      https://twitter.com/jdnalton/status/1139815653630595072?s=21
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2146: Jun 19, 2019 10:08:19 pm
      I f**king love his silky skills and work rate

      https://twitter.com/lfc/status/1141235664521793536?s=21
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      Reply #2147: Jun 24, 2019 10:40:22 am



       :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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      Reply #2149: Jul 03, 2019 05:06:09 pm
      linking up with with countinho in the copa america too. ;D

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