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      Roberto Firmino Player Thread

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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2700: Apr 27, 2021 11:49:16 pm
      Are you serious? Have you checked his numbers?

      He offers nothing in the goal scoring department. People keep telling me about this "closing down". We don't need a defensive midfielder up front we need a goal scorer! Number 9's score goals. There's centerbacks out there with more league goals, in the last two years, than this guy.

      Great service to the club and thank you. We wish you all the best at your new club

      Funny enough, Jürgen disagrees with you so I guess you will have to deal with Firmino sticking around and even <gasp> playing more games as our striker.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2701: May 02, 2021 07:09:15 pm
      Thought Bobby was anonymous today again
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      Reply #2702: May 04, 2021 11:43:17 am
      Funny enough, Jürgen disagrees with you so I guess you will have to deal with Firmino sticking around and even <gasp> playing more games as our striker.

      Jürgen is clearly working with what he has right now.

      It's no secret he wanted Werner and that would have been the end of Firmino. The owners refused to cough up the cash and so Firmino survived the <gasp> chop.

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      Reply #2703: May 04, 2021 11:45:30 am
      Jürgen is clearly working with what he has right now.

      It's no secret he wanted Werner and that would have been the end of Firmino. The owners refused to cough up the cash and so Firmino survived the <gasp> chop.

      Nonsense

      Jota came in as the alternative to Werner and that’s not been the end of Firmino has it now?
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      Reply #2704: May 04, 2021 01:11:02 pm
      Jürgen is clearly working with what he has right now.

      It's no secret he wanted Werner and that would have been the end of Firmino. The owners refused to cough up the cash and so Firmino survived the <gasp> chop.



      Yea, it's too bad we didn't get Werner...he's been so much better than Firmino.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2705: May 04, 2021 02:14:45 pm
      IMO he's still very slick on the ball, the big thing for him is he looks like he's lost pace. He had absolutely none to give to start with ;D. His passing hasn't been up to par, but I think that can be credited to the pace aswell, as he seems to get caught on the ball more frequently and tries to do too much
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      Reply #2706: May 04, 2021 02:28:43 pm
      IMO he's still very slick on the ball, the big thing for him is he looks like he's lost pace. He had absolutely none to give to start with ;D. His passing hasn't been up to par, but I think that can be credited to the pace aswell, as he seems to get caught on the ball more frequently and tries to do too much

      Or teams are keying on him more knowing if you mark him out of the game, it disrupts our playmaking front three?
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      Reply #2707: May 04, 2021 03:32:07 pm
      Yea, it's too bad we didn't get Werner...he's been so much better than Firmino.

      So you're happy with Firmino as our starting number 9?
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      Reply #2708: May 04, 2021 03:38:23 pm
      So you're happy with Firmino as our starting number 9?

      Absolutely. I’m happy with all of our starters. Certainly wouldn’t mind adding some more quality but I’m not just willing to toss proven players aside because they’ve had a rough patch during the most disrupted year of football in recent memory.
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      Reply #2709: May 04, 2021 06:59:59 pm
      Absolutely. I’m happy with all of our starters. Certainly wouldn’t mind adding some more quality but I’m not just willing to toss proven players aside because they’ve had a rough patch during the most disrupted year of football in recent memory.

      It's not just a rough patch though.

      He's scored 15 Premier League goals in two years.

      That's an average of 7.5 goals over two seasons (with a few games left)

      He's a number 9 scoring an average of 7.5 goals per year. That's just not good enough. Goals don't lie.

      He offers nothing as a sub too.

      I think his time is done and this has been coming for a long time
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      Reply #2710: May 04, 2021 07:46:49 pm
      It's not just a rough patch though.

      He's scored 15 Premier League goals in two years.

      That's an average of 7.5 goals over two seasons (with a few games left)

      He's a number 9 scoring an average of 7.5 goals per year. That's just not good enough. Goals don't lie.

      He offers nothing as a sub too.

      I think his time is done and this has been coming for a long time

      You can think what you want, but he will still be here next year and most likely starting, I’ll guarantee you that. Klopp loves him and he’s key to what Klopp wants us to do on the pitch. And his goal production has never been his key attribute. It’s almost like people that want rid of him haven’t actually watched our football team the last 5 years.
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      Reply #2711: May 04, 2021 09:18:28 pm
      You can think what you want, but he will still be here next year and most likely starting, I’ll guarantee you that. Klopp loves him and he’s key to what Klopp wants us to do on the pitch. And his goal production has never been his key attribute. It’s almost like people that want rid of him haven’t actually watched our football team the last 5 years.

      Two years ago the Ox was on fire.

      Are we giving him the same credit based on past performance levels?

      Keits was amazing at Leipzig. Will we give him the nod to start as our number 8 next season?
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      Reply #2712: May 04, 2021 09:46:52 pm
      Two years ago the Ox was on fire.

      He's never fully recovered from that injury he got against Roma.
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      Reply #2713: May 04, 2021 10:06:16 pm
      He's never fully recovered from that injury he got against Roma.

      Yeah I agree. My point is are we giving players credit over performances two seasons ago?

      He's finished, anyone can see it. He finishes nothing in front of goal.

      He's been a loyal servant of the club and deserves all the love he receives but we need to remember love doesn't score goals.

      Jürgen uses him as a pivotal part of his set up but that pivotal part is no longer performing at the level required to win trophies (or even home games at this rate)
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2714: May 05, 2021 12:47:11 am
      Two years ago the Ox was on fire.

      Are we giving him the same credit based on past performance levels?

      Keits was amazing at Leipzig. Will we give him the nod to start as our number 8 next season?

      Comparing Chamberlain to Firmino? Keita? Sorry, but now you are just proving you don't understand. It was fun. Take care.
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      Reply #2715: May 05, 2021 12:54:04 am
      Or teams are keying on him more knowing if you mark him out of the game, it disrupts our playmaking front three?

      There is for sure some of this, no doubt. You like this guy more than just about anyone on this site, and for good reason. You don't get given a Nickname like Engine by Klopp for no reason. But can you honestly say he hasn't lost a step or looks slower?
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      Reply #2716: May 05, 2021 01:17:39 am
      Comparing Chamberlain to Firmino? Keita? Sorry, but now you are just proving you don't understand. It was fun. Take care.

      No it seems like you don't understand.

      You're giving a player, who has performed below the standard required of a number 9, current rating based on performance levels from two years ago.

      I've come and given you examples, of players such as Keita and Ox, who had higher performance levels two years ago.

      If you still rate Firmino as our starting number 9 then you must use this same principle on other under performing players.

      Understand a bit clearer now?
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2717: May 05, 2021 10:52:06 am
      There is for sure some of this, no doubt. You like this guy more than just about anyone on this site, and for good reason. You don't get given a Nickname like Engine by Klopp for no reason. But can you honestly say he hasn't lost a step or looks slower?

      Slower? Not really, his game was never about pace, but the entire front three looks disjointed  along with midfield. I don’t think it’s so easy as just saying that Bobby isn’t performing. I think the entire team is off and because he has always been so integral to our press and possession, he gets the lions share of the blame.
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      Reply #2718: May 05, 2021 10:57:22 am
      Hate to admit this , but merson explained our problems perfectly the other day.

      VVD & Gomez missing are the reason for the whole seasons collapse.

      When those 2 play , especially VVD we defend almost on the half way line, so when salah, mane bobby get the ball they are already 20 yrds from goal, so less work to score.

      This season we are defending 20 yards further back and with worse defenders, the forwards are getting the ball 40 yards from opposition goal, so much harder to score, that has then led to confidence issue, and obviously all the other injures have made it worse.

      This is perhaps where I agree with some that Klopp has got some tactics wrong, perhaps we could have changed things more.

      But at end of the day its been one bad season for so many reasons, its gone, im convinced next season will be much much better.

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      Reply #2719: May 05, 2021 10:59:03 am
      Slower? Not really, his game was never about pace, but the entire front three looks disjointed  along with midfield. I don’t think it’s so easy as just saying that Bobby isn’t performing. I think the entire team is off and because he has always been so integral to our press and possession, he gets the lions share of the blame.

      People wrongly judge Bobby by his shirt number and therefore his number of goals when in fact he’s there for far different things in reality

      He’s there to make the side tick not by his number of goals

      As much as people want to dispute it, I’m afraid that’s what Jürgen wants him for and his importance to the side is more than his number of goals

      Sorry it’s that simple
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      Reply #2720: May 05, 2021 01:51:27 pm
      Hate to admit this , but merson explained our problems perfectly the other day.

      VVD & Gomez missing are the reason for the whole seasons collapse.

      When those 2 play , especially VVD we defend almost on the half way line, so when salah, mane bobby get the ball they are already 20 yrds from goal, so less work to score.

      This season we are defending 20 yards further back and with worse defenders, the forwards are getting the ball 40 yards from opposition goal, so much harder to score, that has then led to confidence issue, and obviously all the other injures have made it worse.

      This is perhaps where I agree with some that Klopp has got some tactics wrong, perhaps we could have changed things more.

      But at end of the day its been one bad season for so many reasons, its gone, im convinced next season will be much much better.

      YNWA

      That is a massive cop out that takes personal accountability from the players.

      Van Dijk and Gomez missing have nothing to do with how awful Mane has looked for months now, or Salah missing a 1v1 with the goalie vs Real in the first couple of minutes that would have changed the tie, or Alisson passing the ball to City players, or Trent heading the ball to Vinicius putting him through on goal, or having a shot % in the low single digits at Anfield since the start of the year, etc etc.
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      Reply #2721: May 05, 2021 01:53:46 pm
      That is a massive cop out that takes personal accountability from the players.

      Van Dijk and Gomez missing have nothing to do with how awful Mane has looked for months now, or Salah missing a 1v1 with the goalie vs Real in the first couple of minutes that would have changed the tie, or Alisson passing the ball to City players, or Trent heading the ball to Vinicius putting him through on goal, or having a shot % in the low single digits at Anfield since the start of the year, etc etc.

      No, that could be simply down to mental fatigue and a bit of burn out

      Add to that the cbs being missing and the system changing because of it

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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2722: May 05, 2021 04:03:35 pm
      That is a massive cop out that takes personal accountability from the players.

      Van Dijk and Gomez missing have nothing to do with how awful Mane has looked for months now, or Salah missing a 1v1 with the goalie vs Real in the first couple of minutes that would have changed the tie, or Alisson passing the ball to City players, or Trent heading the ball to Vinicius putting him through on goal, or having a shot % in the low single digits at Anfield since the start of the year, etc etc.

      Its not a cop out, It was the start of the domino effect.
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      Reply #2723: May 05, 2021 04:17:10 pm
      That is a massive cop out that takes personal accountability from the players.

      Van Dijk and Gomez missing have nothing to do with how awful Mane has looked for months now, or Salah missing a 1v1 with the goalie vs Real in the first couple of minutes that would have changed the tie, or Alisson passing the ball to City players, or Trent heading the ball to Vinicius putting him through on goal, or having a shot % in the low single digits at Anfield since the start of the year, etc etc.

      It's not a cop out. It's literally the main reason. It's also the main reason that we were so successful in years past. I don't think its even debatable. Imagine a team not playing the same without (arguably) the best defender in the world at the back.
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      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #2724: May 05, 2021 04:25:15 pm
      It's not a cop out. It's literally the main reason. It's also the main reason that we were so successful in years past. I don't think its even debatable. Imagine a team not playing the same without (arguably) the best defender in the world at the back.

      It is. A massive one. The amount of individual errors we have made are the responsibility of each player, not because someone is injured.

      When Salah had the tie on his foot against Real in the 2nd minute, he didn't miss because Van Dijk is injured. He simply missed.

      When Mane misses a clean header from 5 yards out, he didn't miss because Gomez was injured.

      When Alisson has looked like a pub goalie at times, it's on him.

      When we didn't score from open play at Anfield in 3 months, it wasn't because of injuries. The U23's can probably score in that many minutes if given the chance.

      But being it's 2021, we just assume no personal responsibility and it's always someone else's fault.

      Guess when Van Dijk is ready to retire we should just shut down the club.

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