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      Roddenberry
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #483: Jan 06, 2019 01:24:37 pm
      So if JĆ¼rgen sold Mane, would you also say Boss knows best, at what point would you ever dare to question him?

      The bottom line here is that this is extremely foolish, if you don't think it is then please explain why Citeh and Spurs aren't also getting rid of any fringe players mid season and I don't really give a F**k if selling now means we get a few more million for the player, that pales into insignificance compared with weakening our squad.

      You're comparing apples to oranges there, but to answer your question, I'd trust JĆ¼rgen's judgement after getting concussed whilst out drinking a skinful more than some posters on here.

      He's cleared out fringe players who have managed 180 minutes combined for us this season and got a decent wedge for them.

      This smacks of people looking for an argument where their isn't one.
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #484: Jan 06, 2019 01:50:35 pm
      Well, there's a F***ing shocker.

      People using the loan/sale of a player they spent years moaning about to try and cause strife.

      Sadly, not a surprise.
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #485: Jan 06, 2019 01:58:59 pm
      You're comparing apples to oranges there, but to answer your question, I'd trust JĆ¼rgen's judgement after getting concussed whilst out drinking a skinful more than some posters on here.

      He's cleared out fringe players who have managed 180 minutes combined for us this season and got a decent wedge for them.

      This smacks of people looking for an argument where their isn't one.


      Has it weakened the squad?
      If yes then does it make sense to weaken the squad?
      If yes to both please explain how its a non argument.
      Try to answer those questions please.
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #486: Jan 06, 2019 02:23:23 pm

      I don't think it has in Klopp's mind.

      He's fourth choice behind Trent, Gomez and Milner and this Hoever kid has obviously impressed enough to be an emergency option if needed (like the game against United).
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #487: Jan 06, 2019 02:33:18 pm
      Well, there's a f**king shocker.

      People using the loan/sale of a player they spent years moaning about to try and cause strife.

      Sadly, not a surprise.

      Barry from tā€™interweb is fair bashing one out all over the place at the moment fella....

      He/theyā€™ll go blind soon you know.....although in fairness some of the opinions suggest itā€™s already too late
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #488: Jan 06, 2019 02:36:52 pm
      Barry from tā€™interweb is fair bashing one out all over the place at the moment fella....

      He/theyā€™ll go blind soon you know.....although in fairness some of the opinions suggest itā€™s already too late

      That does make me giggle.

      Poor old Barry.
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #489: Jan 06, 2019 02:42:58 pm
      Has it weakened the squad?
      If yes then does it make sense to weaken the squad?
      If yes to both please explain how its a non argument.
      Try to answer those questions please.

      Nope. Not until you give an answer to the rebuttals that have already been put forth.
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #490: Jan 06, 2019 03:06:57 pm
      Well, there's a f**king shocker.

      People using the loan/sale of a player they spent years moaning about to try and cause strife.

      Sadly, not a surprise.

      Itā€™s by no means out of the question that TAA and Gomez are injured at the same time in the season in a few months time (they both were injured just a couple weeks ago). As a side point I donā€™t think joe Gomez should be anywhere near full back given the wear on his knee but what do I know
      So you say ā€œok well Fab or Milner can play thereā€ - ok thatā€™s fair enough but letā€™s say, like the end of last season we have 2 or 3 injuries in midfield; all of a sudden itā€™s not as easy to just say letā€™s take someone out of midfield to play full back
      I just donā€™t understand letting him go and saying to a 20 year old, who for me has been up and down this season  ā€œitā€™s on you now palā€. Klopp saying Clyne wanted to go - well tough you tell him heā€™s a part of a title and champions league challenge, he can go in the summer
      I just find it bizarre for the sake of getting Ā£60k a week off the wage bill
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #491: Jan 06, 2019 03:25:05 pm
      Itā€™s by no means out of the question that TAA and Gomez are injured at the same time in the season in a few months time (they both were injured just a couple weeks ago). As a side point I donā€™t think joe Gomez should be anywhere near full back given the wear on his knee but what do I know
      So you say ā€œok well Fab or Milner can play thereā€ - ok thatā€™s fair enough but letā€™s say, like the end of last season we have 2 or 3 injuries in midfield; all of a sudden itā€™s not as easy to just say letā€™s take someone out of midfield to play full back
      I just donā€™t understand letting him go and saying to a 20 year old, who for me has been up and down this season  ā€œitā€™s on you now palā€. Klopp saying Clyne wanted to go - well tough you tell him heā€™s a part of a title and champions league challenge, he can go in the summer
      I just find it bizarre for the sake of getting Ā£60k a week off the wage bill

      So it's the first ever loan agreement with no recall option?

      OK, so he goes out on loan, we have to recall him, he's been playing every week, is fit as a fiddle and on top of his game, and it's a bad thing he is match sharp?

      Failing to see the downside here.
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #492: Jan 06, 2019 03:29:39 pm
      So it's the first ever loan agreement with no recall option?

      OK, so he goes out on loan, we have to recall him, he's been playing every week, is fit as a fiddle and on top of his game, and it's a bad thing he is match sharp?

      Failing to see the downside here.

      If heā€™s registered with Bournemouth on the 1st of Feb he canā€™t be registered with us for league or champions league for the rest of the season
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #493: Jan 06, 2019 03:31:29 pm
      He had played one full game this season, the boss had the chance to play him again and didn't. He was effectively forth choice and we have a couple of young players who could slot in and gain some valuable experience that could prove invaluable to success this and in upcoming seasons.

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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #494: Jan 06, 2019 03:36:40 pm
      He had played one full game this season, the boss had the chance to play him again and didn't. He was effectively forth choice and we have a couple of young players who could slot in and gain some valuable experience that could prove invaluable to success this and in upcoming seasons.

      People saying we never play youngsters are outraged that we might play youngsters.
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #495: Jan 06, 2019 03:46:10 pm
      He had played one full game this season, the boss had the chance to play him again and didn't. He was effectively forth choice and we have a couple of young players who could slot in and gain some valuable experience that could prove invaluable to success this and in upcoming seasons.

      Champions league semi final at the nou camp - thinking I might prefer Clyne to a 16 year old
      Can you imagine Citeh selling Danilo because heā€™s not happy with his game time on the basis that, well if we canā€™t play walker weā€™ve got Delph and Fernandinho that could do a job?  And itā€™s not just injuries we need to worry about the TAA. All players need rotated, suspensions and form (look at Kyle Walker out the team just now at Citeh because heā€™s not been playing well). Again I just donā€™t get it unless Klopp thinks of Joe Gomez still as a CB/RB which I think is misguided
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #496: Jan 06, 2019 04:07:20 pm
      Can someone please check to see if we're in the matrix. He was fourth choice, how many squads have RB cover that deep?

      This is nuts and smacks of people who just want to be angry
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #497: Jan 06, 2019 04:19:53 pm
      Nope. Not until you give an answer to the rebuttals that have already been put forth.

      What rebuttals?
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #498: Jan 06, 2019 04:20:02 pm
      Can someone please check to see if we're in the matrix. He was fourth choice, how many squads have RB cover that deep?

      This is nuts and smacks of people who just want to be angry
      think people are more concerned because his cover is midfielders that we need in midfield
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #499: Jan 06, 2019 04:24:04 pm
      Can someone please check to see if we're in the matrix. He was fourth choice, how many squads have RB cover that deep?

      This is nuts and smacks of people who just want to be angry

      2 of those covers are midfielders the other is our CB so yes I think it makes sense to keep a specialist RB for a few more months.
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #500: Jan 06, 2019 04:28:55 pm
      Can someone please check to see if we're in the matrix. He was fourth choice, how many squads have RB cover that deep?

      This is nuts and smacks of people who just want to be angry

      Some have genuine concerns Iā€™m sure mate - I just donā€™t get it.

      Itā€™s just wind, piss and self importance though for a few nuisances Rodders.

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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #501: Jan 06, 2019 04:30:06 pm
      2 of those covers are midfielders the other is our CB so yes I think it makes sense to keep a specialist RB for a few more months.
      I agree, other than Fabinho who can cover RB? He's probably included Milner in that who is actually LB cover not right back. Putting Milner as RB is not only risky, it could end up with Moreno getting a lot of games for us if Robertson gets injured.
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #502: Jan 06, 2019 04:32:18 pm
      So if JĆ¼rgen sold Mane, would you also say Boss knows best, at what point would you ever dare to question him?

      Well people questioned selling Coutinho and not replacing him, yes we got in VVD but in terms of firepower, it looked as though we had significantly weakened us. As it goes though, we instantly looked better without him as a team and scored just as many goals, so I think Klopp knows what heā€™s doing and has earned himself credit for people to not be getting so hot under the collar about selling a 4th choice RB thatā€™s played a few times in 2 years, a 5th choice striker who hasnā€™t played a single game this season and only managed 1 goal in 27 and potentially selling the 4th choice striker that has played 2 part games in 2 years for us.

      So Iā€™m inclined to say no, Iā€™m not going to question him.

      All this just seems like such a needless overreaction.
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #503: Jan 06, 2019 04:33:19 pm
      Can someone please check to see if we're in the matrix. He was fourth choice, how many squads have RB cover that deep?

      This is nuts and smacks of people who just want to be angry
      sorry to double quote you, but he was not 4th choice. Milly is Robbo's backup not TAA. 3rd choice behind Fabinho?
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #504: Jan 06, 2019 04:37:15 pm
      Well people questioned selling Coutinho and not replacing him, yes we got in VVD but in terms of firepower, it looked as though we had significantly weakened us. As it goes though, we instantly looked better without him as a team and scored just as many goals, so I think Klopp knows what heā€™s doing and has earned himself credit for people to not be getting so hot under the collar about selling a 4th choice RB thatā€™s played a few times in 2 years, a 5th choice striker who hasnā€™t played a single game this season and only managed 1 goal in 27 and potentially selling the 4th choice striker that has played 2 part games in 2 years for us.

      So Iā€™m inclined to say no, Iā€™m not going to question him.

      All this just seems like such a needless overreaction.
      I want bothered about Coutinho, saw him as a double edged sword. Whenever he played we had big gaps in defence.
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      Re: Nathaniel Clyne Player Thread (on loan at Bournemouth)
      Reply #505: Jan 06, 2019 04:39:39 pm
      sorry to double quote you, but he was not 4th choice. Milly is Robbo's backup not TAA. 3rd choice behind Fabinho?

      You're forgetting Gomez was being used there as well, we have two good prospects coming through. This just seems a strange thing for people to be getting their knickers in a twist over. It's even below the vegan sausage roll faux outrage.
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