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      Jul 18, 2015 11:13:29 am
      With the recent talk about the funding of the BBC and it's future in the years ahead I thought it would be interesting to get the views of the forum on the BBC and if you feel its worth the license fee and in general if it provides a good service.

      Personally I happily pay the license fee as the BBC is one of my go to places for television and radio and I think it provides a fantastic service which is unrivalled across the world.

      The range of programming and quality is excellent with sport, news, documentaries, drama, kids TV etc all catered for across the platforms with great live coverage of the likes of Wimbledon, Glastonbury and the like which I think are as good as you'll find.

      When you also add in the digital channels like BBC 4 that has some fantastic content along with regonal programmes and radio then I think its well worth the £13 month I pay.

      Do you think its worth it?

      Should the license fee remain?

      If not his should the BBC be funded in the future and will that affect future quality of programmes going ahead?

      Interesting to hear the thoughts.
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      Reply #1: Jul 18, 2015 11:20:00 am
      With the recent talk about the future of the BBC and it's future in the years ahead I thought it would be interesting to get the views of the forum on the BBC and if you feel its worth the license fee and in general if it provides a good service.

      Personally I happily pay the license fee as the BBC is one of my go to places for television and radio and I think it provides a fantastic service which is unrivalled across the world.

      The range of programming and quality is excellent with sport, news, doumnetaries, drama, kids TV etc all catered for across the platforms with great live coverage of the likes of Wimbledon, Glastonbury and the like which I think are as good as you'll find.

      When you also add in the digital channels like BBC 4 that has some fantastic content along with regonal programmes and radio then I think its well worth the £13 month I pay.

      Do you think its worth it?

      Should the license fee remain?

      If not his should the BBC be funded in the future and will that affect future quality of programmes going ahead?

      Interesting to hear the thoughts.

      Agree totally Si.  Their sports coverage, wildlife documentaries and sit coms are reverred and renowned across the world.

      The BBC world service is relied upon by millions the world over too.
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      Reply #2: Jul 18, 2015 11:29:23 am
      We get BBC 1 and 2 in my country too, been watching regularly since I was a kid. The only channels I watch more are the Dutch public service channels. I mostly tend to avoid commercial channels, alot of trash tv on there. But I do watch less and less normal tv nowadays in general. More on demand and streaming stuff. Not alot of normal tv shows, just sport, series and films really. And the odd documentary. They've actually been making budget cuts for public service channels in my country too. The media landscape is changing alot isn't it, I imagine normal tv channels are dissapearing within a few years, and internet streaming will take over.
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      Reply #3: Jul 18, 2015 11:38:16 am
      As I said in another thread. I don't use it that much. Only watch MotD and Sherlock and forgot about Wimbledon. Highlights of the football won't be hard to come across if MotD left and the same goes for the tennis and other sporting events like the 6 Nations.

      I don't like the puffing of the chest they're doing like they're irreplaceable. Their sporting content would be distributed out because it's too valuable to other channels. Don't listen to the radio ever so wouldn't miss that and don't check the BBC websites ever either. The TV I do watch is pretty much exclusive to Netflix and box sets.

      I think I'm a minority here though as I wouldn't miss ITV, Channel 4, 5 or any other station if they turned it off quite frankly.
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      Reply #4: Jul 18, 2015 11:39:41 am
      I don't, excluding live football or highlights, watch live TV, but I still pay my license fee.  I do download a fair few Radio 4 and 5 podcasts, that, for me, justify the expense. To raise more revenue, I'd have no issue with product placement being used and even limited adverts during prime time/popular shows. 

      Even though I don't watch, I do feel they should have a certain amount of programming that isn't commercially viable on the other channels.  Educational programs and documentaries which I believe are BBC4's remit.  I'd also conisder watching TV if they showcased comedy talent, going around comedy clubs in the UK and also something similar to Richard Herring's Leicester square podcast, though it would need cleaning up a tad.  I remember they had the comedy roadshow on BBC1, but that was so mainstream and safe, I'd want something a bit more raw.

      Plus get the rights to the The Bill and start a new show and work on the iPlayer, some stuff is not up anywhere near long enough or easy to search for. Also get more of their radio programmes released as podcasts.
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      Reply #5: Jul 18, 2015 11:48:44 am
      As I said in another thread. I don't use it that much. Only watch MotD and Sherlock and forgot about Wimbledon. Highlights of the football won't be hard to come across if MotD left and the same goes for the tennis and other sporting events like the 6 Nations.

      But eoulfy they do it as well Mags?

      I think the Wimbledon and Glastonbury coverage in particular goes far beyond what a commercial broadcaster might do with those two events.

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      Reply #6: Jul 18, 2015 11:57:59 am
      There's no doubt that the bbc has major faults especially in it's structure and level of management but it does still produce quality public service broadcasting, let's not kid ourselves a large part of the government's attention towards the bbc is motivated by the perceived bias the bbc shows against the tories. The nonsense argument about the bbc using the term IS or Islamic State is an example of this.
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      Reply #7: Jul 18, 2015 12:16:32 pm
      The very fact the BBC is broadcast and appreciated globally is an indication of it's integrity and quality.
      Commercial TV does not measure up on a consistent basis, the dross overwhelms the occasional watchable material and of course the dreaded advertising which gets longer breaks all the time.
      Channel 4 does kick in with some excellent documentaries and wildlife shows, although it's alternative progs can be tiresome.
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      Reply #8: Jul 18, 2015 12:17:00 pm
      But eoulfy they do it as well Mags?

      I think the Wimbledon and Glastonbury coverage in particular goes far beyond what a commercial broadcaster might do with those two events.

      Ah I'm sure the BBC do a good job at Glasto but I don't watch it myself.

      As long as I get to see the tennis I'll be happy, not too bothered about production values outside of the actual game. Actually I thought the free runner angle they had for the final this year was stupid and done poorly, the way the heads were CGI'd onto the bodies was atrocious.
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      Reply #9: Jul 18, 2015 12:30:08 pm
      The very fact the BBC is broadcast and appreciated globally is an indication of it's integrity and quality.
      Commercial TV does not measure up on a consistent basis, the dross overwhelms the occasional watchable material and of course the dreaded advertising which gets longer breaks all the time.
      Channel 4 does kick in with some excellent documentaries and wildlife shows, although it's alternative progs can be tiresome.

      CH 4 is the only other of the mainstream channels I really watch Stuey after the BBC as ITV has very little that interested me and 5 is pretty abysmal TV most of the time.
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      Reply #10: Jul 18, 2015 12:46:49 pm
      The tories are doing this partly to repay Murdoch.
      He's hated the BBC for years.

      I don't watch much BBC, but the fact that the tories are trying to silence any kind of dissenting voice should worry people, because that's exactly what this is about.
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      Reply #11: Jul 18, 2015 01:50:01 pm
      Love the service the BBC provides. Second to none and so integral to the country's cultural landscape. A level and quality of broadcasting that isn't replicated anywhere else in the world. Where else would you get the brilliance of Attenborough? It's unrivalled radio coverage? It eclectic mix of music and arts on offer? It's eye opening access to the world be it through a Simon Reeve documentary or it's foreign news coverage?

      I say that's a pretty good deal from what we pay in license fees.

      There are some things the BBC could do a bit better (saving hundreds of millions of pounds by axing the truly awful MOTD would be a start) but on the whole I barely watch or listen to anything else.

      Do everything to stop the government from destroying this institution I say.
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      Reply #12: Jul 25, 2015 11:08:37 pm
      With the recent talk about the funding of the BBC and it's future in the years ahead I thought it would be interesting to get the views of the forum on the BBC and if you feel its worth the license fee and in general if it provides a good service.

      Personally I happily pay the license fee as the BBC is one of my go to places for television and radio and I think it provides a fantastic service which is unrivalled across the world.

      The range of programming and quality is excellent with sport, news, documentaries, drama, kids TV etc all catered for across the platforms with great live coverage of the likes of Wimbledon, Glastonbury and the like which I think are as good as you'll find.

      When you also add in the digital channels like BBC 4 that has some fantastic content along with regonal programmes and radio then I think its well worth the £13 month I pay.

      Do you think its worth it?

      Should the license fee remain?

      If not his should the BBC be funded in the future and will that affect future quality of programmes going ahead?

      Interesting to hear the thoughts.

      You can't even watch St Andrews open next year, I'm not paying for Eastenders and rolling news. They can fund it out of Politicians restaurant and Limo money yeah? Sorted.
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      Reply #13: Aug 09, 2015 03:06:56 am
      The licence fee is a rip off is it? Well, here's what we get....

      BBC 1
      BBC 2
      BBC 3
      BBC 4
      Radio 1
      Radio 2
      Radio 3
      Radio 4
      Radio 4 Extra
      Radio 5
      Radio 5 Extra
      Radio 6
      Radio Asian Network
      BBC News Website
      BBC Sport Website
      BBC Iplayer
      BBC Radio Player
      BBC Films

      Raw deal my arse.

      It's imperative to keep the BBC strong. First of all, its an institution which has produced Britain's finest TV programmes, but it is also important culturally around the globe - it is a soft power resource for the UK and many countries abroad enjoy the products on offer from the BBC. Secondly, it is important to keep the BBC strong so this country's culture is not at the mercy of the malignant influence of Rupert Murdoch. It is important to keep this wrinkly c*nt at bay - for a start, I refuse to buy any of his newspapers (The S*n of course) or TV. Live footie? I will stream live matches and keep the wrinkly b***ard away from my money. With this in mind, I truly hope BT Sport completely destroy Sky by obtaining even more football in the next few years.

      Quite frankly, if there are Tory haters on here buying into Sky - and thus propping up "Call Me Dave", Snorting George and Rupert's exclusive elitist parties - then you are basically complicit in propping up a government you despise. Sorry, but they are basically the same thing - and until this country wipes its hands off that tax dodging crook, then our culture will forever stoop to depraved levels.

      Destroy the BBC? For what? To try and get us to buy into Sky's extortionate packages, all for lining Murdoch's pockets and increasing him and News Corps strength while watching 'the best they can offer' sh*te like Trollied and Moon Boy?
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      Reply #14: Apr 25, 2016 02:55:14 am
      Watched Louis Theroux's documentary on alcohol just earlier. One of the most shocking and uncomfortable documentaries I've seen in a long long while. A must see for everyone.

      But proving again what an insight and education the BBC is at its best, Theroux being just one of many astonishing documentary makers it gives us.
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      Reply #15: Apr 25, 2016 09:23:35 am
      Watched Louis Theroux's documentary on alcohol just earlier. One of the most shocking and uncomfortable documentaries I've seen in a long long while. A must see for everyone.

      But proving again what an insight and education the BBC is at its best, Theroux being just one of many astonishing documentary makers it gives us.

      Watched it as well mate. Always make a point of watching Louis Theroux.
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      Reply #16: Apr 25, 2016 11:19:09 am
      Stick adverts in, there's their funding, shouldn't even be a debate, for us who can afford it there are families who struggle to make ends meet, it doesn't and never will sit well with me a corporation forcing payment from such families.
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      Reply #17: Apr 25, 2016 03:26:44 pm
      Watched Louis Theroux's documentary on alcohol just earlier. One of the most shocking and uncomfortable documentaries I've seen in a long long while. A must see for everyone.

      But proving again what an insight and education the BBC is at its best, Theroux being just one of many astonishing documentary makers it gives us.

      Tried watching it mate. Had to stop it was so distressing. 
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      Reply #18: Apr 25, 2016 08:11:09 pm
      I have a Alcoholic brother,uncle,first cousin & friend...

      Horrible horrible.. addiction..
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      Reply #19: Apr 25, 2016 09:55:51 pm
      Tough watch that.. saw it myself..
      Kind of agree with Stuey in that the commercial element is not part of the BBC so hour long documentaries are an hour long and not chopped down to 35 minutes with 25 minutes of adverts..

      The Sky tariff says for 6 or 7 sports channels it's £25 a month ..
      and extra £10 a month for BT sports 1 & 2
      LFC channel isn't cheap neither..

      so for what you get on BBC TV & Radio I don't think £13 a month is busting the direct debit balance..
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      Reply #20: May 02, 2016 07:01:14 pm
      Although the BBC does have some excellent programs, it's NEWS coverage is akin to a Tory propaganda machine.

      Has any of this been worthy of the BBC? (Apart from the last item.)





      Did you know?

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      Reply #21: May 02, 2016 07:12:33 pm
      Although the BBC does have some excellent programs, it's NEWS coverage is akin to a Tory propaganda machine.

      Has any of this been worthy of the BBC? (Apart from the last item.)





      Did you know?



      the same bbc news coverage the tories constantly gripe about being bias and seem to be obsessed with breaking up as an organisation .
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      Reply #22: May 30, 2016 11:12:30 pm
      Watched documentary on the Battle of Jutland with Dan Snow. Great programme. Strangely it followed last nights reboot of Top Gear. BBC lurching from desperate to brilliant in the space of minutes.
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      Reply #23: May 30, 2016 11:14:51 pm
      Cringed when Evans did the same voice as Clarkson at the start... turned it off. Might watch the stream again as I only gave it about eight minutes today, he didn't seem as bad after the Clarkson impression.

      People are going to compare, it's natural. I reckon they will change over the course of the series, but we shall see.

      Do look forward to The Grand Tour though, should be fun.
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      Reply #24: May 30, 2016 11:33:24 pm
      Cringed when Evans did the same voice as Clarkson at the start... turned it off. Might watch the stream again as I only gave it about eight minutes today, he didn't seem as bad after the Clarkson impression.

      People are going to compare, it's natural. I reckon they will change over the course of the series, but we shall see.

      Do look forward to The Grand Tour though, should be fun.

      Really wasn't worth it. It seemed like two schoolboys acting out their favourite Clarkson, Hammond and May moments in the playground (although Matt Le Blanc seems to have the knack of presenting solo features)

      Got to be honest it really made me miss the old Top Gear. I think the last few years it settled into a predictable format with the previous but at its best it was off beat and outrageous in its features (amphibious cars? Reliant Robin strapped to the back of a rocket ship? Racing from Italy to London in a plane and a Bugatti Veyron?) that was only made better by the way Clarkson, Hammond and May interacted with each other who were self deprecating in the extreme. It says something about the arrogance of BBC bigwigs who thought that the show was successful because of its format and not because of the presenters. The accusations by its sensitive detractors regarding xenophobia and other such things was over egged when in reality all the countries/regions they toured and presented from were always presented in the most incredible light whether it was Bolivia, Africa or Vietnam. Top Gear was never better than when they went abroad - The Grand Tour should be brilliant.
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      Reply #25: May 31, 2016 10:28:00 am

      See it didn't make me miss the old Top Gear mate as I thought it had run it's course and even though I tuned in I didn't really enjoy them as I should have.

      The biggest disappointment for me, so far, is that the new guys haven't made any difference to the format which is what I was after.

      I'll give it a few more weeks as it could just be the first episode but I want to see a 'new' Top Gear not just some old Top Gear with new presenters.
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      Reply #26: May 31, 2016 01:13:12 pm
      See it didn't make me miss the old Top Gear mate as I thought it had run it's course and even though I tuned in I didn't really enjoy them as I should have.

      The biggest disappointment for me, so far, is that the new guys haven't made any difference to the format which is what I was after.

      I'll give it a few more weeks as it could just be the first episode but I want to see a 'new' Top Gear not just some old Top Gear with new presenters.

      I think the problem with the previous incarnation having run its course (Christmas specials aside) was that it had basically done everything imaginable and by time it became absolutely massive during the last few years and was shown all over the world it had settled into a predictable format and script.

      That they are still working on that same format but without the previous three presenters really exposes that the format wasn't really that important.

      Ultimately the previous Top Gear was so inventive that I think even if they revamped the show there would still be remnants of the previous version that ran for 13 years. It would help if they scaled it down again to what the show was like in the first few years under Clarkson, Hammond and May when it seemed a little more off beat and improvisational but with the reputation the programme now carries and all the contracts it's signed with various broadcasters around the world, they'll be expecting more of the big flashy production that it had become.

      Would have been best if they just laid the show to rest or at least put it away for a good few years.
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      Reply #27: May 31, 2016 01:17:38 pm
      Honestly forgot the "new" top gear started last night. Sadly, without Clarkson, May and Hammond, it will be just another car show. Can't wait to watch The Grand Tour though. Those three could present a show about quilting and I'd probably watch. It's all about their dynamic.
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      Reply #28: May 31, 2016 09:13:01 pm
      Honestly forgot the "new" top gear started last night. Sadly, without Clarkson, May and Hammond, it will be just another car show. Can't wait to watch The Grand Tour though. Those three could present a show about quilting and I'd probably watch. It's all about their dynamic.

      Clarkson is a full on gobs***e, I can't stand the man. Probably why I was never an avid Top Gear fan.
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      Reply #29: Jun 03, 2016 03:11:42 am
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      Reply #30: Jun 06, 2016 09:35:25 pm
      Putting Evans and Jordan on the same show was a masterpiece of casting. The most annoying cu*ts on TV their for an hour every sunday.
      It is a poor copy of the original show and I cant wait for the GT.
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      Reply #31: Jun 08, 2016 10:21:25 pm
      Chris Evans must have something on higher ups at the BBC. How such a universally hated man gets so many good deals is beyond me. 1.7 million viewers lost in 1 week says it all.
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      Reply #32: Jun 08, 2016 10:45:20 pm
      Chris Evans must have something on higher ups at the BBC. How such a universally hated man gets so many good deals is beyond me. 1.7 million viewers lost in 1 week says it all.

      It's ridiculous to lose that amount of viewers. To put it in context, even when Top Gear was being shown at the same time when millions and millions of viewers were watching the climax of the epic 2008 Wimbledon final, it still pulled in more viewers than the most recent episode! Watched the second episode myself but decided I wouldn't be going on beyond ep 3. It's not as atrocious as people are making out but it's predictable and boring and the presenters have no chemistry. Looks like a show that was reassembled too quickly and in a panic after the abrupt end of the previous series. I said the format under Clarkson, Hammond and May did turn predictable in it's last few years but was still perfectly watchable, funny and at times brilliant. It's peak was probably about a decade ago in the couple of years before and after that massive crash that nearly killed Richard Hammond where there was much more variety and a good balance between serious and silly. In hindsight it probably ended at the right time and hopefully the move to Amazon for that three and a slight change in format will refresh it.
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      Reply #33: Jul 04, 2016 04:29:54 pm
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      Reply #34: Jul 04, 2016 05:46:00 pm
      Should have never been hired in the first place.
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      Reply #35: Jul 04, 2016 05:54:39 pm
      I haven't watched a second of this series, for me top gear was done two series ago. It was just repetitive, three men race one way or another and the result is a close one. The only thing keeping that format going was the three presenters so when they got taken out it was just a tired format.
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      Reply #36: Jul 04, 2016 06:10:21 pm
      He can no doubt go back to being a One Show luvvie alongside Matt Baker and Alex Jones and be like them again - setting out to get offended and apologising for the slightest utterance that comes out of the guests' mouths.

      Or clearing his name in that police investigation...

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