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      Alberto Moreno (Roma)
      Jul 19, 2015 07:39:26 am

       Are we ready to offload Alberto for just 8M after paying about 20M (if I am correct)

      Liverpool’s Alberto Moreno wanted by Roma - report

      Liverpool defender Alberto Moreno is a major target for Roma, with the Italian club’s sporting director flying to England to complete an £8 million transfer, according to Calciomercatoweb
      http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/19/liverpools-alberto-moreno-wanted-by-roma-report/

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      Re: Alberto Moreno (Roma)
      Reply #1: Jul 19, 2015 07:45:57 am
      You're mistaken a bit, we paid for him 16 mil £, and received an offer of 8 mil £, but it seems we're holding out for 11 mil £
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      Reply #2: Jul 19, 2015 07:53:55 am
      sell.

      let Gomez have a go at LB.
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      Reply #3: Jul 19, 2015 07:55:09 am
      You're mistaken a bit, we paid for him 16 mil £, and received an offer of 8 mil £, but it seems we're holding out for 11 mil £

      Maybe confusing £ sums with €
      But still I think we should not let go for half the price we paid,      This is only my opinion anyway

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      Reply #4: Jul 19, 2015 07:58:17 am
      I think we should sell him only IF we receive a 11 mill £ offer.
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      Reply #5: Jul 19, 2015 08:09:59 am
      I say keep him for at least another season, would be dumb to sell players just after one season, let them really settle before judging them.
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      Reply #6: Jul 19, 2015 08:22:51 am
      I say keep him for at least another season, would be dumb to sell players just after one season, let them really settle before judging them.

      this ^^ agree 100%
       why do we bother to buy players coming from another country if we at least do not give them time to settle
       some players adapt quickly and many others take more time

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      Reply #7: Jul 19, 2015 09:10:55 am
      sell.

      let Gomez have a go at LB.

      If we're going to sell fair enough but I'd hope it's with a more sensible view than to just throw in a kid at LB who isn't even a LB.
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      Reply #8: Jul 19, 2015 11:03:49 am
      We bought him for £12m.

      The whole summer our fans were pissed off we wouldn't meet the £16m asking price the press quoted and cursed in the clubs direction only to see us spend £12m and show the press up for knowing F**k all.

      If we can get some of our money back, excellent. He's useless. Some may not agree, but i think he is a shambolic defender, a predictable passer and a sh*te crosser.
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      Reply #9: Jul 19, 2015 11:08:46 am
      I don't rate him at all but I'd still like him to be given another season.
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      Reply #10: Jul 19, 2015 11:12:55 am
      I think he'll stay another season unless we're going have an out of shape slow Enrique and a kid who's not a natural left back as our only options. If we sign another left back then it might be another story.
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      Reply #11: Jul 19, 2015 02:55:28 pm
      I think I'd take the money based on last seasons efforts from Alberto. He looks like a left winger who's been asked to play left full back to me, then forgotten his skills as a left winger while he's at it. You're left with a lad who's an awful defender who offers nothing going forward. 8 million quid? That' s steep based on last season, unless he and we are confident he'll improve we should take the cash.
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      Reply #12: Jul 19, 2015 03:30:06 pm
      To be fair I don't see anything at all in that article to suggest he is going anywhere, and there has been nothing else backing it up.

      Speculation and page filler is all this is.
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      Reply #13: Jul 19, 2015 06:27:06 pm
      I don't rate him at all but I'd still like him to be given another season.

      This just confirms what I've been saying for a long time.  People are more interested in "supporting" certain individuals than supporting the success of the club. 

      You yourself don't rate Moreno but you want him to be given.... even more time!  More games we could lose because of his stupid mistakes like against the Mancs, more points dropped because he has no idea what he's doing.  Why?  Because you want to give him more time.  Even if it hurts the club.

      It's worth potentially dropping points for you, as long as Moreno gets a chance.

      Pathetic, and this is why no one takes us seriously. 

      We have to put the SUCCESS OF THE CLUB first.  What it is going to take for everyone to see that?
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      Reply #14: Jul 19, 2015 06:41:42 pm
      Most frustrating player for me, such a headless chicken with an eye for F***ing it up when it mattered the most. Seems like a nice fella and the early signs were positive but as the season progressed, I kinda lost any faith. I'd be really happy if we were targeting an improvement on that position.
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      Reply #15: Jul 19, 2015 06:43:43 pm
      If he does go, can we get R.Rodriguez, please?
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      Reply #16: Jul 19, 2015 06:52:37 pm
      Baffled at where this negativity surrounding Moreno has come, sure people likened him to Riise at points in the season last year.

      Personally think he is ok at defending and an asset going forward, I think at times he was way too rash in his tackling and his defensive positioning. But at this moment in time I think we should keep him as I don't see us getting another left back, with Gomez I'm hoping Moreno will feel real pressure to up his game. 

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      Reply #17: Jul 19, 2015 07:02:27 pm
      We paid 12m for Moreno when he was valued at 20m. 8m would be a 4m loss in a year.
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      Reply #18: Jul 19, 2015 07:23:43 pm
      To be fair I don't see anything at all in that article to suggest he is going anywhere, and there has been nothing else backing it up.

      Speculation and page filler is all this is.

      Agree with this. Apparently I wasn't watching the games where he played that badly. A bit brainless at times but he's a kid and doesn't yet deserve to be shipped out.
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      Reply #19: Jul 19, 2015 07:38:09 pm
      Young lad first season in the premiership where its lets say a little more competitive and in your face than La Liga, nah give him another season to adjust and settle, there might just be a player in there.

      Lets ship the proper deadwood, Borini, Lambert even wee Joe Allen (But i'd suspect it would be Lucas) if we can find a better replacement.
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      Reply #20: Jul 19, 2015 09:24:16 pm
      So we would have no recognised specialist left backs at the club whatsoever until we find a replacement? No thanks, if anything we should be looking for another left back rather than selling the only one we have.

      Yes Gomez can do a job there and that's fine, but selling Moreno now would be stupid.
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      Reply #21: Jul 19, 2015 09:32:25 pm
      Can't believe some are even entertaining this thought.
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      Reply #22: Jul 19, 2015 10:30:24 pm
      Can't believe some are even entertaining this thought.

      Agree.

      If we had altready bought a LB who you could consider a starter then I could understand it but it seems a few want to ship Moreno out and play Gomez, not a LB, based on a few minutes in Asia and Australia.

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      Reply #23: Jul 19, 2015 11:09:48 pm
      Ffs lads , he's been with us one season and we're writing him off already . Now if it was his 2nd season and wasn't showing signs of improvement then i'd understand . It's the same with Markovic , stick the boot in to him as well , Emre Can got some stick too if i remember correctly . I like Moreno , he's got something about him that tells me he'll click and if we're going to judge him on last seasons performance then the rest of the squad need shipping out too .Be patient and give him a chance .
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      Reply #24: Jul 20, 2015 12:04:11 am
      Emre Can got some stick too if i remember correctly

      oh please.

      Can has shown already that he's 10000x the player Moreno is.
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      Reply #25: Jul 20, 2015 12:26:52 am
      Why sell Moreno after one season, he has not been playing at the level expected of him but he can't be taking the full blame when those in front of him were allowing opposition players to go pass them like a sieve. I see potential in him, some other average Joes need to be offloaded soon that made us pretty average last season.

      Time for BR to start to be ruthless if he wants to build a winning side, no time for sentiments.
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      Reply #26: Jul 20, 2015 12:29:54 am
      oh please.

      Can has shown already that he's 10000x the player Moreno is.
      Some players take more time to adjust than others . He needs more time .

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      Reply #27: Jul 20, 2015 12:33:15 am
      Why sell Moreno after one season, he has not been playing at the level expected of him but he can't be taking the full blame when those in front of him were allowing opposition players to go pass them like a sieve. I see potential in him, some other average Joes need to be offloaded soon that made us pretty average last season.

      Time for BR to start to be ruthless if he wants to build a winning side, no time for sentiments.
      That's how i feel , there's a player in Moreno he just needs time to adjust .

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      Reply #28: Jul 20, 2015 12:40:51 am
      Some players take more time to adjust than others.

      To adjust to what?

      So you're saying that when we buy a left back, any left back, let alone a highly rated, expensive one---we can't expect him to have any positional awareness whatsoever until his second season at the earliest? 
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      Reply #29: Jul 20, 2015 12:48:05 am
      This just confirms what I've been saying for a long time.  People are more interested in "supporting" certain individuals than supporting the success of the club. 

      You yourself don't rate Moreno but you want him to be given.... even more time!  More games we could lose because of his stupid mistakes like against the Mancs, more points dropped because he has no idea what he's doing.  Why?  Because you want to give him more time.  Even if it hurts the club.

      It's worth potentially dropping points for you, as long as Moreno gets a chance.

      Pathetic, and this is why no one takes us seriously. 

      We have to put the SUCCESS OF THE CLUB first.  What it is going to take for everyone to see that?

      F**k me. Don't you dare talk about 'support' when 99% of your posts on here have been to fling sh*t at the fans, the board, the manager and the players. EVERYTHING about Liverpool FC is given the bad word treatment from you.

      Why don't you channel your supporting instincts towards your Chav pals? Like the time you defended their racist fans by making accusations against our own fans.
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      Reply #30: Jul 20, 2015 12:51:29 am
      Talk about over reactions. Thing is Moreno has been shitt, but we have other player who we need to get rid before selling this lad.

      It's not like if we don't sell him now then we are stuck with him for the rest of his football life. Give him start of the season, if he is still shitt then sell him in Jan or next summer. 

      I swear some people will never be happy, if we sell all the players that didn't perform last season then we would have a new team, and people then would want to hang fsg and BR because we bought too many new players. 
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      Reply #31: Jul 20, 2015 01:04:18 am
      To adjust to what?

      So you're saying that when we buy a left back, any left back, let alone a highly rated, expensive one---we can't expect him to have any positional awareness whatsoever until his second season at the earliest? 

      I dunno maybe a new league, country, and style of play. I mean for f**k's sake. He didn't speak a word of English when we bought him last season. Clearly it will take a it of time to see his best. And frankly you of all posters have no right to criticize the support of others. You are the least supportive poster on the board.
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      Reply #32: Jul 20, 2015 01:10:28 am
      Why don't you channel your supporting instincts towards your Chav pals? Like the time you defended their racist fans by making accusations against our own fans.

      Erm, no, you should go back and read the thread, what I said was there are racist supporters at every club and that we are never going to get rid of racism in football if we only get angry when OTHER clubs have racist fans.  The best way to go about it is for every club in every country to police its own.  But instead we just get finger pointing saying "look at your racist supporters!  But our racist supporters are fine" etc.  People put club tribalism above getting rid of racism.

      Anyway, you conflate support with blind loyalty.  You just say "great job lads" to everything the club does.  That's not support.  That's a one way ticket to mediocrity and becoming a Villa or even worse, Leeds.

      No amount of "support" is going to make FSG see the light and ditch their rubbish policies.  No amount of support is going to make Rodgers understand the importance of our club---WE WERE DOWN 5-0 IN THE FIRST HALF AT STOKE AND HE DIDN'T MAKE A SINGLE SUBSTITUTION OR TACTICAL CHANGE UNTIL AFTER HALFTIME.  you think the solution is just.... support him more?  You're delusional.

      I've got news for you: the club is being run by buffoons from top to bottom.  You don't support people who don't know what they're doing.  Sorry.  Do you think Leeds supporters, looking back, think to themselves "well we just needed to give them more support..."?  F**k no.  They needed to stand up and make themselves heard.

      you're not a real supporter if you stand by and clap while those in charge do harm to our club.  But you go on and keep cheerleading if you want while we keep selling our best players and replacing them with sh*te ones on our descent to permanent midtable mediocrity.  You're fine with us finishing sixth or seventh, ok. 

      But I'm not.

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      Reply #33: Jul 20, 2015 01:13:09 am
      I dunno maybe a new league, country, and style of play. I mean for f**k's sake. He didn't speak a word of English when we bought him last season.

      Suarez didn't speak a word of English either.  He turned out ok.

      Coutinho barely speaks English.  Seems to do just fine. 

      Tevez never even bothered learning English.  Not too shabby, his time in English football.

      The difference?  They are all top players, while Moreno is rubbish.

      But you keep pretending that it's all about language and lifestyle blah bla blah.

      Top players don't need a lot of time to adjust.  Sh*te players, people will always find excuses for them, for why they're sh*te.  They just can't accept that they're not good enough.
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      Reply #34: Jul 20, 2015 01:14:55 am
      I can understand why people would want Moreno sold -- so promising in those first 4-5 games, but then largely crap after that. But LB is not an easy -- or cheap -- position to fill, so unless we've got an actual LB lined up, it'd be risky. Plus you have to remember that for most foreign players, their first season in England requires a big adjustment period, so I wouldn't be too quick to write him off just yet.

      Erm, no, you should go back and read the thread, what I said was their are racist supporters at every club and that we are never going to get rid of racism in football if we only get angry when OTHER clubs have racist fans.  The best way to go about it is for every club in every country to police its own.  But instead we just get finger pointing saying "look at your racist supporters!  But our racist supporters are fine" etc.  People put club tribalism above getting rod of racism.

      Anyway, you conflate support with blind loyalty.  You just say "great job lads" to everything the club does.  That's not support.  That's a one way ticket to mediocrity and becoming a Villa or even worse, Leeds.

      No amount of "support" is going to make FSG see the light and ditch their rubbish policies.  No amount of support is going to make Rodgers understand the importance of our club---WE WERE DOWN 5-0 IN THE FIRST HALF AT STOKE AND HE DIDN'T MAKE A SINGLE SUBSTITUTION OR TACTICAL CHANGE UNTIL AFTER HALFTIME.  you think the solution is just.... support him more?  You're delusional.

      The club us being run by buffoons from top to bottom.  You don't support people who don't know what they're doing.  Sorry.  Do you think Leeds supporters, looking back, think to themselves "well we just needed to give them more support..."?  F**k no.  They needed to stand up and make themselves heard.

      you're not a real supporter if you stand by and clap while those in charge do harm to our club.  But you go on and keep cheerleading if you want while we keep selling our best players and replacing them with sh*te ones on our descent to permanent midtable mediocrity.  You're fine with us finishing sixth or seventh, ok. 

      But I'm not.



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      Reply #35: Jul 20, 2015 01:17:45 am

      Haha sorry mate.  :)

      But Brendan's approach during that thrashing at Stoke really rubbed me the wrong way.

      Five goals in the first half and you sit there on your arse?  They wouldn't even do that at Hull for F**k's sake.
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      Reply #36: Jul 20, 2015 01:21:34 am
      Haha sorry mate.  :)

      But Brendan's approach during that thrashing at Stoke really rubbed me the wrong way.

      Five goals in the first half and you sit there on your arse?  They wouldn't even do that at Hull for f**k's sake.

      The real unfortunate thing in that game is we were only allowed to make 3 subs. All but Gerrard and Mignolet needed to get yanked in that one.
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      Reply #37: Jul 20, 2015 02:07:23 am
      Erm, no, you should go back and read the thread, what I said was there are racist supporters at every club and that we are never going to get rid of racism in football if we only get angry when OTHER clubs have racist fans.  The best way to go about it is for every club in every country to police its own.  But instead we just get finger pointing saying "look at your racist supporters!  But our racist supporters are fine" etc.  People put club tribalism above getting rid of racism.

      Anyway, you conflate support with blind loyalty.  You just say "great job lads" to everything the club does.  That's not support.  That's a one way ticket to mediocrity and becoming a Villa or even worse, Leeds.

      No amount of "support" is going to make FSG see the light and ditch their rubbish policies.  No amount of support is going to make Rodgers understand the importance of our club---WE WERE DOWN 5-0 IN THE FIRST HALF AT STOKE AND HE DIDN'T MAKE A SINGLE SUBSTITUTION OR TACTICAL CHANGE UNTIL AFTER HALFTIME.  you think the solution is just.... support him more?  You're delusional.

      I've got news for you: the club is being run by buffoons from top to bottom.  You don't support people who don't know what they're doing.  Sorry.  Do you think Leeds supporters, looking back, think to themselves "well we just needed to give them more support..."?  F**k no.  They needed to stand up and make themselves heard.

      you're not a real supporter if you stand by and clap while those in charge do harm to our club.  But you go on and keep cheerleading if you want while we keep selling our best players and replacing them with sh*te ones on our descent to permanent midtable mediocrity.  You're fine with us finishing sixth or seventh, ok. 

      But I'm not.

      Even though the accusations regarding our fans was something you made up. Don't worry - we know you're a Chelsea fan. Hence the reason why you've only seen Liverpool play...at Stamford Bridge.
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      Reply #38: Jul 20, 2015 03:10:49 am
      Even though the accusations regarding our fans was something you made up.

      No they weren't, I even posted the video of someone calling Sakho "coon."  Besides that if you go back in the thread there were people saying they'd heard racial comments of their own at Anfield before too.  Obviously not widespread but it rarely is, except in places like Spain/Italy etc.

      Don't worry - we know you're a Chelsea fan. Hence the reason why you've only seen Liverpool play...at Stamford Bridge.

      negative!  I was at the Emirates in April for our game at Arsenal.  Where we got crushed.  In a big game.  Again.

      In any event, I don't see why it bothers you so much.  I work for BP and have been working abroad for the last few years, so I rarely if ever get a chance to see our games live.  when I do get home for vacation, I want to spend that time with family and friends, most of whom live in either Kent (where I'm from) or London.  So it's easier for me to get to our games played in London.  I'd much rather have gone to our games at Chelsea, Arsenal, or even the Mancs, than never to have gone to a game at all, which is the case for a lot of our supporters around the world.  I'm lucky that I've at least seen us play live a few times.

      But since I was at the Arsenal match I suppose I support them too?!

      I mean really, can you imagine thinking that players like Moreno/Mignolet/Benteke etc are so good that if someone says they're sh*te, it must mean they secretly support another club?!

      Anyway, I'm going to try to get tickets to our games at Watford in December and West Ham in January, if you go I'll buy you a pint!
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      Reply #39: Jul 20, 2015 04:10:15 am
      No amount of "support" is going to make FSG see the light and ditch their rubbish policies.  No amount of support is going to make Rodgers understand the importance of our club

      But complaining on the internet, however... is gonna change... everything. :roll:

      I'm not one for trying to be a super fan, "real supporter" kind of rubbish on the internet, but the argument that support won't change anything - as if your constant negativity would - is a bit funny.

      As for Moreno, not really a fan of him and wouldn't mind seeing him sold. If we buy a new LB, that is. No point selling him and then only having Enrique (who I only know is alive through social media) for the left back position in the squad.

      Gomez is just a young lad recently signed, overreacting because of a couple of a decent pre-season performances in a position which is not even his natural one is a bit ridiculous - especially considering we know you'll turn against him the first couple of mistakes he makes. Quite a few youngsters have impressed in pre-season never to really make a positive impact in the squad as well. Paletta was rated higher than Agger at one point.
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      Reply #40: Jul 20, 2015 04:40:47 am
      But complaining on the internet, however... is gonna change... everything. :roll:  I'm not one for trying to be a super fan, "real supporter" kind of rubbish on the internet, but the argument that support won't change anything - as if your constant negativity would - is a bit funny.

      Diego mate I actually agree with you here.  And I've said so many times.  Writing posts about a player on an internet forum is not "supporting" that player.  They never read the forums and don't care, hell they don't even know we exist.  Forums like these are places for supporters to talk amongst themselves.  So someone being extremely positive on the forum isn't "support," and someone being negative isn't "support"---they're both really.... nothing.  Forums are just a way for supporters to communicate amongst themselves.

      The only kind of support that really matters is what goes on at the games.  That's the only thing that directly affects the players.  If someone boos, that's something I would consider "being unsupportive," the player hears it, it can have an affect on him, etc etc.  but someone saying "Moreno isn't very good" on a forum he will never read anyway, is nothing, it's irrelevant as "support goes."  But saying "Moreno is amazing" is also irrelevant.  Nothing we really say or do on these forums matters, except to us, which is why it's so absurd when someone questions someone else's support here, as the only people who are really affected by it are.... other posters here.

      Gomez is just a young lad recently signed, overreacting because of a couple of a decent pre-season performances in a position which is not even his natural one is a bit ridiculous - especially considering we know you'll turn against him the first couple of mistakes he makes.

      I never turned against Moreno after his first couple of mistakes.  If you go back and look at my posts I was being very reserved actually, just saying things like "he needs to work on his crossing," etc etc.  It was only after those mistakes happened again and again and again and in big games that I realized it wasn't just an isolated incident but a general pattern.  He can't cross, he can't defend, he has zero positional awareness etc---it's just not good enough.

      Anyway, I am not saying Gomez is a world-beater, but can he really be worse than Moreno?  is that even possible?!?

      In any event, we've got time.  Throw him in at LB and see how he does.  The season starts in just a few weeks and we'll have a few games before the window closes to see if he can handle it.  If he can, then we can get rid of Moreno the deadline.
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      Reply #41: Jul 20, 2015 07:16:18 am
      That's how i feel , there's a player in Moreno he just needs time to adjust .



      Yes, whichever way we put it we have to give him at least one more season and play to his strength.
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      Reply #42: Jul 20, 2015 07:23:03 am
      He should be given atleast one more season to prove himself. It's not like he was rubbish when we signed him, maybe he can hit the heights of which he has shown glimpses.
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      Reply #43: Jul 20, 2015 08:16:18 am
      He hasn't been any worse than Lovren, so why should Lovren be given another  chance?
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      Reply #44: Jul 20, 2015 02:53:18 pm
      He hasn't been any worse than Lovren, so why should Lovren be given another  chance?

      Because Lovren is the future captain ;D
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      Reply #45: Jul 20, 2015 06:42:32 pm
      Some serious kneejerkitis in this thread.

      Moreno is going nowhere, there is a very good full back in there and Rodgers knows that which is all that matters.
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      Reply #46: Jul 21, 2015 12:58:38 pm
      Some serious kneejerkitis in this thread.

      Moreno is going nowhere, there is a very good full back in there and Rodgers knows that which is all that matters.

      Is there though?

      He has plenty of pace but its a myth that he is good going forward. His final pass and his crossing is at times atrocious.

      He defends like a school boy too.

      I'm prepared to give him another season but his first year was disappointing. If I had the choice then id put Flanagan in any day of the week over Moreno.
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      Reply #47: Jul 21, 2015 02:11:52 pm
      He is still young, but now we have gomez as cover, and Jose Enrique if he ever gets near full fitness, and flanno when he is fit as well.
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      Reply #48: Jul 21, 2015 02:28:22 pm
      He was playing LB in a pretty average back 4 as well, which didn't help him.
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      Reply #49: Jul 21, 2015 03:14:53 pm
      He was playing LB in a pretty average back 4 as well, which didn't help him.

      The whole team was poor tbf, a more confident team will help him too. We were under pressure in a lot of games last season, being over run, by hungrier midfields and attacks.
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      Reply #50: Jul 22, 2015 01:22:00 am
      Funny how Raheem's poor performances last season were absolutely 100% his fault, he's just overrated etc etc, but Moreno's awful season, no, that wasn't his fault at all, it was the tactics, playing in a poor back four, he just needs a more confident team....
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      Reply #51: Jul 22, 2015 02:04:15 am
      Funny how Raheem's poor performances last season were absolutely 100% his fault, he's just overrated etc etc, but Moreno's awful season, no, that wasn't his fault at all, it was the tactics, playing in a poor back four, he just needs a more confident team....

      Haha have to agree with that. Also, "Raheem only looked good because of Sturridge and Suarez".

      Oh really - so attacking midfielders do better with two world class strikers in front of them than when playing with Lambert/Balotelli or out of position as forwards themselves? No sh*t. I'm shocked.

      In the case of Moreno, one could say, and I'd be inclined to agree, that Lovren or Sakho or whoever was on the left side of our defence was usually badly exposed by his sh*t defending, more so than the other way around.
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      Reply #52: Jul 22, 2015 02:41:26 am
      why isn't this thread locked
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      Reply #53: Jul 22, 2015 09:07:12 am
      In the case of Moreno, one could say, and I'd be inclined to agree, that Lovren or Sakho or whoever was on the left side of our defence was usually badly exposed by his sh*t defending, more so than the other way around.

      exactly.

      As if Moreno's defending weren't bad enough, what really surprises me is how he simply can't stick to his position.  Just take a look at the two Mata goals when the Mancs beat us 2-1 at Anfield:

      http://www.lfc.vn/motd1/motd-liverpool-man-utd-s15-w30/

      the first one he's almost at the halfway line when *they* have the ball.  So Mata just jogs in behind him.  I mean what is he doing up there?!

      the second one Mata passes the ball into the middle.  So of course, you stay with Mata, right?  oh no, Moreno decides to follow the ball into the middle and chases after it, letting Mata run in behind him free again.

      I really don't get how a supposed professional football player can't just stay in his position.  I've taught my dog to sit still, how can someone making thousands of pounds a week not do the same?
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      Reply #54: Jul 22, 2015 09:16:34 am
      Funny how Raheem's poor performances last season were absolutely 100% his fault, he's just overrated etc etc, but Moreno's awful season, no, that wasn't his fault at all, it was the tactics, playing in a poor back four, he just needs a more confident team....

      ;D

      Raheem was good right up until he refused his new £100k a week contract. We have done the raheem sictue to death, its over fin kapoot. We are all winners with his leaving.
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      Reply #55: Jul 22, 2015 09:18:58 am
      Anyways this should all be in the players thread, he aint going anywhere.
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      Reply #56: Jul 22, 2015 03:31:15 pm
       
      exactly.

      As if Moreno's defending weren't bad enough, what really surprises me is how he simply can't stick to his position.  Just take a look at the two Mata goals when the Mancs beat us 2-1 at Anfield:

      http://www.lfc.vn/motd1/motd-liverpool-man-utd-s15-w30/

      the first one he's almost at the halfway line when *they* have the ball.  So Mata just jogs in behind him.  I mean what is he doing up there?!

      the second one Mata passes the ball into the middle.  So of course, you stay with Mata, right?  oh no, Moreno decides to follow the ball into the middle and chases after it, letting Mata run in behind him free again.

      I really don't get how a supposed professional football player can't just stay in his position.  I've taught my dog to sit still, how can someone making thousands of pounds a week not do the same?

      Alberto Moreno, the new Jordan Henderson
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      Reply #57: Jul 22, 2015 04:32:04 pm

      Alberto Moreno, the new Jordan Henderson

      Future captain?
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      Reply #58: Jul 22, 2015 05:00:25 pm

      What's Lovren have to do with this?
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      Reply #59: Jul 22, 2015 05:17:14 pm

      No

      Alberto Moreno is the new Jordon Henderson for Fed; he likes to target particular players and give them his all .
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      Reply #60: Jul 22, 2015 08:53:08 pm
      To adjust to what?

      So you're saying that when we buy a left back, any left back, let alone a highly rated, expensive one---we can't expect him to have any positional awareness whatsoever until his second season at the earliest? 
      Not necessarily Fed , not all players click straight away . Actually his first game he played a blinder against Spurs and yes he had some awful games but i've seen enough to warrant another season . The price tag wasn't his making so don't throw that into your argument . I can understand your impatience with players but 1 season is a bit kneejerkish of you do you not think?

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      Reply #61: Jul 23, 2015 08:15:50 am
      He hasn't been any worse than Lovren, so why should Lovren be given another  chance?

      Good point, both should be fu**ed off in this transfer window.
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      Reply #62: Jul 23, 2015 01:44:37 pm
      If you're a good player you don't need time to settle at a team, even if you come from a different country, there are plenty examples of players who made great first-seasons at their clubs. That's just an excuse.
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      Reply #63: Jul 23, 2015 01:52:39 pm
      If you're a good player you don't need time to settle at a team, even if you come from a different country, there are plenty examples of players who made great first-seasons at their clubs. That's just an excuse.

      'cause that's not bullshit is it :D. There are external issues that play a part too like being able to find a house, having your family settled with schools, possibly being separated from long time friends or family members etc.

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      Reply #64: Jul 23, 2015 02:00:19 pm
      If you're a good player you don't need time to settle at a team, even if you come from a different country, there are plenty examples of players who made great first-seasons at their clubs. That's just an excuse.

      This is completely untrue.

      Paul Tomkins wrote an excellent article, backed up by every kind of stat imaginable that shows just how completely wrong you are here.
      It turns out that only 26% of players lauded as "marquee" signings have had a major impact in their first season, and that includes players moving between Premiership clubs.
      Which means that 74% fall into the "mediocre" or "bad" first season.

      This is not opinion, there are cold hard facts which prove this to be true.
      http://tomkinstimes.com/2014/11/a-decade-of-big-club-transfer-spending/

      Go ahead and argue about why you disagree, but without the same level of research, stats and comparisons, you'll be doing nothing more than blowing hot air.
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      Reply #65: Jul 23, 2015 02:24:16 pm
      'cause that's not bullshit is it :D. There are external issues that play a part too like being able to find a house, having your family settled with schools, possibly being separated from long time friends or family members etc.

      I was actually just trying to find an old (really old) article that examined how footballers were treated by new clubs.
      Liverpool have been in the lead when it comes to helping players settle, providing help with housing, schools, restaurants, the whole lot, by using "companions" or "fixers" for players arriving from other clubs.

      Some might say that moving within the prem means players don't need that kind of help, but consider the fact that united paid an incredible amount for a young player (Rooney) then basically left him to his own devices in a hotel, in a city he didn't know, and with teammates who all lived miles away.
      This was very common at one time, and may still be amongst certain clubs, but we recognised early that helping players with the mundane sh*t after they moved was very beneficial.

      Consider again the amount paid for Rooney, and then the fact he was pretty much given a hotel key and told to get on with it.
      Would any other industry treat a new asset worth tens of millions that way?

      I know we see footballers as pampered prima donna's, but the reality of moving to a new city or country can be daunting for many, regardless of how much they earn.
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      Reply #66: Jul 23, 2015 02:35:39 pm
      'cause that's not bullshit is it :D. There are external issues that play a part too like being able to find a house, having your family settled with schools, possibly being separated from long time friends or family members etc.



      This is completely untrue.

      Paul Tomkins wrote an excellent article, backed up by every kind of stat imaginable that shows just how completely wrong you are here.
      It turns out that only 26% of players lauded as "marquee" signings have had a major impact in their first season, and that includes players moving between Premiership clubs.
      Which means that 74% fall into the "mediocre" or "bad" first season.

      This is not opinion, there are cold hard facts which prove this to be true.
      http://tomkinstimes.com/2014/11/a-decade-of-big-club-transfer-spending/

      Go ahead and argue about why you disagree, but without the same level of research, stats and comparisons, you'll be doing nothing more than blowing hot air.

      Yeah this stuff has been proven time and again. There's a good chunk about it in "Soccernomics" as well, which also uses numbers.
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      Reply #67: Jul 23, 2015 02:56:16 pm
      I was actually just trying to find an old (really old) article that examined how footballers were treated by new clubs.
      Liverpool have been in the lead when it comes to helping players settle, providing help with housing, schools, restaurants, the whole lot, by using "companions" or "fixers" for players arriving from other clubs.

      Some might say that moving within the prem means players don't need that kind of help, but consider the fact that united paid an incredible amount for a young player (Rooney) then basically left him to his own devices in a hotel, in a city he didn't know, and with teammates who all lived miles away.
      This was very common at one time, and may still be amongst certain clubs, but we recognised early that helping players with the mundane sh*t after they moved was very beneficial.

      Consider again the amount paid for Rooney, and then the fact he was pretty much given a hotel key and told to get on with it.
      Would any other industry treat a new asset worth tens of millions that way?

      I know we see footballers as pampered prima donna's, but the reality of moving to a new city or country can be daunting for many, regardless of how much they earn.

      It's funny you should bring that up about companions and/or fixers for new players. I was on a random bike ride with my brother about a month ago and we started talking about players that move to new clubs and just get left to their own devices without any support but also those that get assistance from their new clubs to help them settle.

      I was saying how if I was an owner I'd do my all to make sure players felt comfortable and happy in their new surroundings and would employ somebody to occasionally look over the players for a short time after their move in case they needed help with some of the issues that you mentioned (schools, restaurants, housing). I think it's something new players do/would greatly appreciate and would also help with any homesickness issues.

      It's not until after being somewhere for a while that you become entirely comfortable and that could be the case for the likes of Moreno, Markovic and Lallana. Sometimes a player isn't good enough but this can only help.
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      Reply #68: Jul 24, 2015 11:41:35 am
      Funny how Raheem's poor performances last season were absolutely 100% his fault, he's just overrated etc etc, but Moreno's awful season, no, that wasn't his fault at all, it was the tactics, playing in a poor back four, he just needs a more confident team....

      Sterling could f things up 10 times more but it wouldn't be in the danger area so that's one thing to consider.
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      Reply #69: Jul 24, 2015 11:46:02 am
      It'd be silly to sell him, we can't buy a whole new team. The nerves were on edge with most of our team last season so to single out this one player without knowing what he'd be like after his first season doesn't add nothing, it only takes away the opportunity to have extra options.
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      Reply #70: Jul 24, 2015 12:13:20 pm
      It'd be silly to sell him, we can't buy a whole new team.

      That's my main concern and why I always thought the defense should be left alone this summer. No problem with Gomez coming I'm buy to sell our starting LB and fit another new player in could be one move too many.

      It would all depend on how well any replacement settled as well though as some players just come in a slot in straight away.
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      Reply #71: Jul 24, 2015 12:54:24 pm
      If you're a good player you don't need time to settle at a team, even if you come from a different country, there are plenty examples of players who made great first-seasons at their clubs. That's just an excuse.

      Explain Peter Beardsley's first few months at the club.

      Some players do take a while to settle!!
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      Reply #72: Jul 24, 2015 07:39:48 pm
      Explain Peter Beardsley's first few months at the club.

      Some players do take a while to settle!!
      You may as well be talking to the wall , some fellas think it's just come in to a new club and start as you mean to go on . There's a lot more to it than that . Last season Rodgers had the whole team  up in a heap , fellas played out of position , a F***ing joke it was and now they're calling for Moreno to be moved on . I can think of a few more to be moved on before that lad .

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      Reply #73: Jul 24, 2015 08:17:58 pm
      If you're a good player you don't need time to settle at a team, even if you come from a different country, there are plenty examples of players who made great first-seasons at their clubs. That's just an excuse.

      Plenty of players hit the ground running, plenty are shi...te and stay shi...te and plenty take a season to show their best form. You only have to look at the improvement Sakho made from season 1 to season 2 as a good example of one of our own players getting their act together. First season he went to ground WAY too often and way to early, often selling his position or giving away FKs and bad areas, his heading was also poor. Fast forward to last season, huge improvements in both areas and I'm expecting to see him lift his game another 10% this season providing he stays fit.

      In terms of Moreno I have no doubt he has the capability to improve, my worry is that he is quite probably not in the best environment to do so. He plays in a system that asks him to get forward at every opportunity, is often without protection in front of him and he wont get drilled from a defensive perspective in the way he might if he played for a team like Chelsea. Positioning and defensive awareness can be improved in any player but it takes good coaching, analysis and repetition.
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      Re: Alberto Moreno (Roma)
      Reply #74: Jul 24, 2015 08:39:13 pm
      If you're a good player you don't need time to settle at a team, even if you come from a different country, there are plenty examples of players who made great first-seasons at their clubs. That's just an excuse.

      Mate, that is nonsense. The list of brilliant players who took a season to settle is endless. Some players are very talented but less adaptable. Doesn't make them bad players.
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      Reply #75: Jul 29, 2015 12:46:46 pm
      he's had his "settling in" period now last season so this season we need to see him push on iron out them daft moments where he stands still and switches off letting players run past him and get to the level of Clyne. if he can do that then we have two of the most exciting full backs in the league and i honestly think he has it in him just needs that arm around the shoulder to coach him through the odd game to build him up. Gary mac will help with that and Linders(cant spell his name) will improve his technically ability.

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