Alberto Moreno (Roma)

Ffs lads , he's been with us one season and we're writing him off already . Now if it was his 2nd season and wasn't showing signs of improvement then i'd understand . It's the same with Markovic , stick the boot in to him as well , Emre Can got some stick too if i remember correctly . I like Moreno , he's got something about him that tells me he'll click and if we're going to judge him on last seasons performance then the rest of the squad need shipping out too .Be patient and give him a chance .

Emre Can got some stick too if i remember correctly

oh please.

Can has shown already that he's 10000x the player Moreno is.

Why sell Moreno after one season, he has not been playing at the level expected of him but he can't be taking the full blame when those in front of him were allowing opposition players to go pass them like a sieve. I see potential in him, some other average Joes need to be offloaded soon that made us pretty average last season.

Time for BR to start to be ruthless if he wants to build a winning side, no time for sentiments.

oh please.

Can has shown already that he's 10000x the player Moreno is.

Some players take more time to adjust than others . He needs more time .

Why sell Moreno after one season, he has not been playing at the level expected of him but he can't be taking the full blame when those in front of him were allowing opposition players to go pass them like a sieve. I see potential in him, some other average Joes need to be offloaded soon that made us pretty average last season.

Time for BR to start to be ruthless if he wants to build a winning side, no time for sentiments.

That's how i feel , there's a player in Moreno he just needs time to adjust .

Some players take more time to adjust than others.

To adjust to what?

So you're saying that when we buy a left back, any left back, let alone a highly rated, expensive one---we can't expect him to have any positional awareness whatsoever until his second season at the earliest? 

This just confirms what I've been saying for a long time.  People are more interested in "supporting" certain individuals than supporting the success of the club. 

You yourself don't rate Moreno but you want him to be given.... even more time!  More games we could lose because of his stupid mistakes like against the Mancs, more points dropped because he has no idea what he's doing.  Why?  Because you want to give him more time.  Even if it hurts the club.

It's worth potentially dropping points for you, as long as Moreno gets a chance.

Pathetic, and this is why no one takes us seriously. 

We have to put the SUCCESS OF THE CLUB first.  What it is going to take for everyone to see that?

F**k me. Don't you dare talk about 'support' when 99% of your posts on here have been to fling sh*t at the fans, the board, the manager and the players. EVERYTHING about Liverpool FC is given the bad word treatment from you.

Why don't you channel your supporting instincts towards your Chav pals? Like the time you defended their racist fans by making accusations against our own fans.

Talk about over reactions. Thing is Moreno has been shitt, but we have other player who we need to get rid before selling this lad.

It's not like if we don't sell him now then we are stuck with him for the rest of his football life. Give him start of the season, if he is still shitt then sell him in Jan or next summer. 

I swear some people will never be happy, if we sell all the players that didn't perform last season then we would have a new team, and people then would want to hang fsg and BR because we bought too many new players. 

To adjust to what?

So you're saying that when we buy a left back, any left back, let alone a highly rated, expensive one---we can't expect him to have any positional awareness whatsoever until his second season at the earliest? 

I dunno maybe a new league, country, and style of play. I mean for f**k's sake. He didn't speak a word of English when we bought him last season. Clearly it will take a it of time to see his best. And frankly you of all posters have no right to criticize the support of others. You are the least supportive poster on the board.

Why don't you channel your supporting instincts towards your Chav pals? Like the time you defended their racist fans by making accusations against our own fans.

Erm, no, you should go back and read the thread, what I said was there are racist supporters at every club and that we are never going to get rid of racism in football if we only get angry when OTHER clubs have racist fans.  The best way to go about it is for every club in every country to police its own.  But instead we just get finger pointing saying "look at your racist supporters!  But our racist supporters are fine" etc.  People put club tribalism above getting rid of racism.

Anyway, you conflate support with blind loyalty.  You just say "great job lads" to everything the club does.  That's not support.  That's a one way ticket to mediocrity and becoming a Villa or even worse, Leeds.

No amount of "support" is going to make FSG see the light and ditch their rubbish policies.  No amount of support is going to make Rodgers understand the importance of our club---WE WERE DOWN 5-0 IN THE FIRST HALF AT STOKE AND HE DIDN'T MAKE A SINGLE SUBSTITUTION OR TACTICAL CHANGE UNTIL AFTER HALFTIME.  you think the solution is just.... support him more?  You're delusional.

I've got news for you: the club is being run by buffoons from top to bottom.  You don't support people who don't know what they're doing.  Sorry.  Do you think Leeds supporters, looking back, think to themselves "well we just needed to give them more support..."?  F**k no.  They needed to stand up and make themselves heard.

you're not a real supporter if you stand by and clap while those in charge do harm to our club.  But you go on and keep cheerleading if you want while we keep selling our best players and replacing them with sh*te ones on our descent to permanent midtable mediocrity.  You're fine with us finishing sixth or seventh, ok. 

But I'm not.

I dunno maybe a new league, country, and style of play. I mean for f**k's sake. He didn't speak a word of English when we bought him last season.

Suarez didn't speak a word of English either.  He turned out ok.

Coutinho barely speaks English.  Seems to do just fine. 

Tevez never even bothered learning English.  Not too shabby, his time in English football.

The difference?  They are all top players, while Moreno is rubbish.

But you keep pretending that it's all about language and lifestyle blah bla blah.

Top players don't need a lot of time to adjust.  Sh*te players, people will always find excuses for them, for why they're sh*te.  They just can't accept that they're not good enough.

I can understand why people would want Moreno sold -- so promising in those first 4-5 games, but then largely crap after that. But LB is not an easy -- or cheap -- position to fill, so unless we've got an actual LB lined up, it'd be risky. Plus you have to remember that for most foreign players, their first season in England requires a big adjustment period, so I wouldn't be too quick to write him off just yet.

Erm, no, you should go back and read the thread, what I said was their are racist supporters at every club and that we are never going to get rid of racism in football if we only get angry when OTHER clubs have racist fans.  The best way to go about it is for every club in every country to police its own.  But instead we just get finger pointing saying "look at your racist supporters!  But our racist supporters are fine" etc.  People put club tribalism above getting rod of racism.

Anyway, you conflate support with blind loyalty.  You just say "great job lads" to everything the club does.  That's not support.  That's a one way ticket to mediocrity and becoming a Villa or even worse, Leeds.

No amount of "support" is going to make FSG see the light and ditch their rubbish policies.  No amount of support is going to make Rodgers understand the importance of our club---WE WERE DOWN 5-0 IN THE FIRST HALF AT STOKE AND HE DIDN'T MAKE A SINGLE SUBSTITUTION OR TACTICAL CHANGE UNTIL AFTER HALFTIME.  you think the solution is just.... support him more?  You're delusional.

The club us being run by buffoons from top to bottom.  You don't support people who don't know what they're doing.  Sorry.  Do you think Leeds supporters, looking back, think to themselves "well we just needed to give them more support..."?  F**k no.  They needed to stand up and make themselves heard.

you're not a real supporter if you stand by and clap while those in charge do harm to our club.  But you go on and keep cheerleading if you want while we keep selling our best players and replacing them with sh*te ones on our descent to permanent midtable mediocrity.  You're fine with us finishing sixth or seventh, ok. 

But I'm not.

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Haha sorry mate. 

But Brendan's approach during that thrashing at Stoke really rubbed me the wrong way.

Five goals in the first half and you sit there on your arse?  They wouldn't even do that at Hull for F**k's sake.

Haha sorry mate. 

But Brendan's approach during that thrashing at Stoke really rubbed me the wrong way.

Five goals in the first half and you sit there on your arse?  They wouldn't even do that at Hull for f**k's sake.

The real unfortunate thing in that game is we were only allowed to make 3 subs. All but Gerrard and Mignolet needed to get yanked in that one.

Erm, no, you should go back and read the thread, what I said was there are racist supporters at every club and that we are never going to get rid of racism in football if we only get angry when OTHER clubs have racist fans.  The best way to go about it is for every club in every country to police its own.  But instead we just get finger pointing saying "look at your racist supporters!  But our racist supporters are fine" etc.  People put club tribalism above getting rid of racism.

Anyway, you conflate support with blind loyalty.  You just say "great job lads" to everything the club does.  That's not support.  That's a one way ticket to mediocrity and becoming a Villa or even worse, Leeds.

No amount of "support" is going to make FSG see the light and ditch their rubbish policies.  No amount of support is going to make Rodgers understand the importance of our club---WE WERE DOWN 5-0 IN THE FIRST HALF AT STOKE AND HE DIDN'T MAKE A SINGLE SUBSTITUTION OR TACTICAL CHANGE UNTIL AFTER HALFTIME.  you think the solution is just.... support him more?  You're delusional.

I've got news for you: the club is being run by buffoons from top to bottom.  You don't support people who don't know what they're doing.  Sorry.  Do you think Leeds supporters, looking back, think to themselves "well we just needed to give them more support..."?  F**k no.  They needed to stand up and make themselves heard.

you're not a real supporter if you stand by and clap while those in charge do harm to our club.  But you go on and keep cheerleading if you want while we keep selling our best players and replacing them with sh*te ones on our descent to permanent midtable mediocrity.  You're fine with us finishing sixth or seventh, ok. 

But I'm not.

Even though the accusations regarding our fans was something you made up. Don't worry - we know you're a Chelsea fan. Hence the reason why you've only seen Liverpool play...at Stamford Bridge.

Even though the accusations regarding our fans was something you made up.

No they weren't, I even posted the video of someone calling Sakho "coon."  Besides that if you go back in the thread there were people saying they'd heard racial comments of their own at Anfield before too.  Obviously not widespread but it rarely is, except in places like Spain/Italy etc.

Don't worry - we know you're a Chelsea fan. Hence the reason why you've only seen Liverpool play...at Stamford Bridge.

negative!  I was at the Emirates in April for our game at Arsenal.  Where we got crushed.  In a big game.  Again.

In any event, I don't see why it bothers you so much.  I work for BP and have been working abroad for the last few years, so I rarely if ever get a chance to see our games live.  when I do get home for vacation, I want to spend that time with family and friends, most of whom live in either Kent (where I'm from) or London.  So it's easier for me to get to our games played in London.  I'd much rather have gone to our games at Chelsea, Arsenal, or even the Mancs, than never to have gone to a game at all, which is the case for a lot of our supporters around the world.  I'm lucky that I've at least seen us play live a few times.

But since I was at the Arsenal match I suppose I support them too?!

I mean really, can you imagine thinking that players like Moreno/Mignolet/Benteke etc are so good that if someone says they're sh*te, it must mean they secretly support another club?!

Anyway, I'm going to try to get tickets to our games at Watford in December and West Ham in January, if you go I'll buy you a pint!

No amount of "support" is going to make FSG see the light and ditch their rubbish policies.  No amount of support is going to make Rodgers understand the importance of our club

But complaining on the internet, however... is gonna change... everything.

I'm not one for trying to be a super fan, "real supporter" kind of rubbish on the internet, but the argument that support won't change anything - as if your constant negativity would - is a bit funny.

As for Moreno, not really a fan of him and wouldn't mind seeing him sold. If we buy a new LB, that is. No point selling him and then only having Enrique (who I only know is alive through social media) for the left back position in the squad.

Gomez is just a young lad recently signed, overreacting because of a couple of a decent pre-season performances in a position which is not even his natural one is a bit ridiculous - especially considering we know you'll turn against him the first couple of mistakes he makes. Quite a few youngsters have impressed in pre-season never to really make a positive impact in the squad as well. Paletta was rated higher than Agger at one point.

But complaining on the internet, however... is gonna change... everything.   I'm not one for trying to be a super fan, "real supporter" kind of rubbish on the internet, but the argument that support won't change anything - as if your constant negativity would - is a bit funny.

Diego mate I actually agree with you here.  And I've said so many times.  Writing posts about a player on an internet forum is not "supporting" that player.  They never read the forums and don't care, hell they don't even know we exist.  Forums like these are places for supporters to talk amongst themselves.  So someone being extremely positive on the forum isn't "support," and someone being negative isn't "support"---they're both really.... nothing.  Forums are just a way for supporters to communicate amongst themselves.

The only kind of support that really matters is what goes on at the games.  That's the only thing that directly affects the players.  If someone boos, that's something I would consider "being unsupportive," the player hears it, it can have an affect on him, etc etc.  but someone saying "Moreno isn't very good" on a forum he will never read anyway, is nothing, it's irrelevant as "support goes."  But saying "Moreno is amazing" is also irrelevant.  Nothing we really say or do on these forums matters, except to us, which is why it's so absurd when someone questions someone else's support here, as the only people who are really affected by it are.... other posters here.

Gomez is just a young lad recently signed, overreacting because of a couple of a decent pre-season performances in a position which is not even his natural one is a bit ridiculous - especially considering we know you'll turn against him the first couple of mistakes he makes.

I never turned against Moreno after his first couple of mistakes.  If you go back and look at my posts I was being very reserved actually, just saying things like "he needs to work on his crossing," etc etc.  It was only after those mistakes happened again and again and again and in big games that I realized it wasn't just an isolated incident but a general pattern.  He can't cross, he can't defend, he has zero positional awareness etc---it's just not good enough.

Anyway, I am not saying Gomez is a world-beater, but can he really be worse than Moreno?  is that even possible?!?

In any event, we've got time.  Throw him in at LB and see how he does.  The season starts in just a few weeks and we'll have a few games before the window closes to see if he can handle it.  If he can, then we can get rid of Moreno the deadline.

That's how i feel , there's a player in Moreno he just needs time to adjust .

Yes, whichever way we put it we have to give him at least one more season and play to his strength.

He should be given atleast one more season to prove himself. It's not like he was rubbish when we signed him, maybe he can hit the heights of which he has shown glimpses.

He hasn't been any worse than Lovren, so why should Lovren be given another  chance?

He hasn't been any worse than Lovren, so why should Lovren be given another  chance?

Because Lovren is the future captain

Some serious kneejerkitis in this thread.

Moreno is going nowhere, there is a very good full back in there and Rodgers knows that which is all that matters.