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      HJK 0:2 Liverpool Pre, in game & post match debate.

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      Re: HJK v Liverpool 1 Aug 2015, KO: 17:30 BST Thread.
      Reply #230: Aug 01, 2015 07:20:51 pm
      Milner really doesn't like losing the ball, love it.

      Noticeable that since Pedro came on and Hendo and Milner have pushed up that we've looked a bit more threatening.

      Who is this Pedro? Have signed him from Real Madrid?
      I have been away from computer for few days now.
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      Re: HJK v Liverpool 1 Aug 2015, KO: 17:30 BST Thread.
      Reply #231: Aug 01, 2015 07:21:00 pm
      Milner really doesn't like losing the ball, love it.

      His energy along with Clyne and Gomez will make a huge difference in our defense.
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      Re: HJK v Liverpool 1 Aug 2015, KO: 17:30 BST Thread.
      Reply #232: Aug 01, 2015 07:21:33 pm
      We've had like 10+ corners today

      To be fair mate they have really struggled getting out of their half. Must say I'm bitterly disappointed with the level of our opposition in this pre-season, I think we've had virtually no pressure to withstand and our defence, which for me is a bigger worry than our attack, has been able to stroll for most of the games.
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      Re: HJK v Liverpool 1 Aug 2015, KO: 17:30 BST Thread.
      Reply #233: Aug 01, 2015 07:21:45 pm
      Who is this Pedro? Have signed him from Real Madrid?
      I have been away from computer for few days now.

      Chirivella, signed him from Valencia last season I think.
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      Re: HJK v Liverpool 1 Aug 2015, KO: 17:30 BST Thread.
      Reply #234: Aug 01, 2015 07:22:03 pm
      Who is this Pedro? Have signed him from Real Madrid?
      I have been away from computer for few days now.
      Pedro Chirivella, a spanish midfielder from our academy.
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      Re: HJK v Liverpool 1 Aug 2015, KO: 17:30 BST Thread.
      Reply #235: Aug 01, 2015 07:22:05 pm
      Enjoyed that.
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      Re: HJK v Liverpool 1 Aug 2015, KO: 17:30 BST Thread.
      Reply #236: Aug 01, 2015 07:23:51 pm
      hendo should not be taking free kicks imo

      Agree! But guess Big Ben will assume that responsibility, as well as being the #1 penalty taker
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      Re: HJK v Liverpool 1 Aug 2015, KO: 17:30 BST Thread.
      Reply #237: Aug 01, 2015 07:24:18 pm
      t say I'm bitterly disappointed with the level of our opposition in this pre-season

      That being said Luke, last year we played Roma, Olympiacos, Dortmund, City, Milan and United and it did f**k all for us or our defenders or our season.
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      Re: HJK v Liverpool 1 Aug 2015, KO: 17:30 BST Thread.
      Reply #238: Aug 01, 2015 07:25:47 pm
      Who is this Pedro? Have signed him from Real Madrid?
      I have been away from computer for few days now.

      Signed as a 16 year old from Valencia 2 seasons ago mate.  He's a DM/DLPM, very calm and composed, keeps things ticking over, always looking forward when on the ball, he's just lovely to watch as he makes everything look so simple.

      It's his first time with the 1st team but made the transition from u18's to u21's look effortless last season.
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      Re: HJK v Liverpool 1 Aug 2015, KO: 17:30 BST Thread.
      Reply #239: Aug 01, 2015 07:27:05 pm
      The pressing in the second half was immense. 

      Good performances from Gomez, Ibe & Coutinho. 

      Great to see Origi take his goal like that, think he could be useful alongside another striker with his strength and pace.

      Anyone notice we upped the pressure and intensity of our pressing as our bench grew louder in barking orders to the team. Not sure who was to credit but seemed to work for me.

      And wouldn't mind seeing more of that Chirvella kid.
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      Re: HJK 0:2 Liverpool Pre, in game & post match debate.
      Reply #240: Aug 01, 2015 07:28:25 pm
      That being said Luke, last year we played Roma, Olympiacos, Dortmund, City, Milan and United and it did f**k all for us or our defenders or our season.

      Get your point and it's a fair one mate, but right now we're pretty much none the wiser how our defenders are doing because they weren't tested. I'd also say that was a Dortmund that would start the league shockingly, the same with United so it wasn't quite as strong as it appears on paper.

      The defending that I've seen from us has been average this pre-season but the clean sheets would con you into thinking we're doing all right. Same with the midfield, we've been playing a 2 in there quite often and getting away with it without any bother due to not being put under real pressure. I guess we'll see how we get on against Stoke but I suspect the old problems will raise their heads because it appears to me that they're simmering under the surface still.
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      Re: HJK 0:2 Liverpool Pre, in game & post match debate.
      Reply #241: Aug 01, 2015 07:29:36 pm
      Signed as a 16 year old from Valencia 2 seasons ago mate.  He's a DM/DLPM, very calm and composed, keeps things ticking over, always looking forward when on the ball, he's just lovely to watch as he makes everything look so simple.

      It's his first time with the 1st team but made the transition from u18's to u21's look effortless last season.


      Reads the game really well too. Happy for the guy to have been so involved with the first team this pre season, he's a big prospect in my eyes.
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      Re: HJK 0:2 Liverpool Pre, in game & post match debate.
      Reply #242: Aug 01, 2015 07:31:33 pm
      Encouraged to see the fitness to press the ball seems pretty good. Happy to see both Gomez and Ibe get starts, I'd put both in the side for Stoke next Sunday. Once again Milner looks the part in Midfield. Great too see Coutinho come through 75 minutes. I am discouraged to see the Skrtel-Lovren partnership start another game, I'm not sure what Sakho has done wrong but this for me is not a great partnership. They never look like they are on the same page and Lovren is too slow IMHO. I have a horrible feeling we will only see them playing together for 3-4 games once the season starts because they won't work.

      I completely share Luke's concern re our opposition during pre-season. Our defenders really haven't been tested have they.
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      Re: HJK 0:2 Liverpool Pre, in game & post match debate.
      Reply #243: Aug 01, 2015 07:34:16 pm
      Reads the game really well too. Happy for the guy to have been so involved with the first team this pre season, he's a big prospect in my eyes.

      That's why it looks so effortless for him mate.  Have high hopes for him as he's quietly gone about his business with no real hype unlike Rossiter but would love the pair of them to be our midfield mainstay in a few seasons.  Dare I say it, he reminds me of a very young Xabi  8)
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      Re: HJK 0:2 Liverpool Pre, in game & post match debate.
      Reply #244: Aug 01, 2015 07:34:52 pm
      Get your point and it's a fair one mate, but right now we're pretty much none the wiser how our defenders are doing because they weren't tested. I'd also say that was a Dortmund that would start the league shockingly, the same with United so it wasn't quite as strong as it appears on paper.

      The defending that I've seen from us has been average this pre-season but the clean sheets would con you into thinking we're doing all right. Same with the midfield, we've been playing a 2 in there quite often and getting away with it without any bother due to not being put under real pressure. I guess we'll see how we get on against Stoke but I suspect the old problems will raise their heads because it appears to me that they're simmering under the surface still.

      I think Clyne is no doubt better than Manquillo or Johnson, Gomez looks to be as good as Moreno and Milner defensively has more speed than Gerrard.

      All in all I have little doubt that we are a bit better than last season with or without testing against higher competition.

      Goals is another matter entirely and my only real concern; drop the two defensive shockers last season (10 goals conceded) and add 10 goals and
      we would of ended last season probably duking it out for 3rd or 4th.
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      Re: HJK 0:2 Liverpool Pre, in game & post match debate.
      Reply #245: Aug 01, 2015 07:38:58 pm
      I think Clyne is no doubt better than Manquillo or Johnson, Gomez looks to be as good as Moreno and Milner defensively has more speed than Gerrard.

      All in all I have little doubt that we are a bit better than last season with or without testing against higher competition.

      Goals is another matter entirely and my only real concern.

      Yep, but at least that's exactly what we hope Benteke, Firmino, and Sturridge when he's fit again, will bring to the team.

      That's why it looks so effortless for him mate.  Have high hopes for him as he's quietly gone about his business with no real hype unlike Rossiter but would love the pair of them to be our midfield mainstay in a few seasons.  Dare I say it, he reminds me of a very young Xabi  8)

      Absolutely debs, he's got that same effortless class. If he goes on to be half as succesful as Xabi we'll have a top player on our hands.

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      Re: HJK 0:2 Liverpool Pre, in game & post match debate.
      Reply #246: Aug 01, 2015 07:43:25 pm
      Chirivella impressed me when he came on, very composed and kept the ball ticking. Milner was his usual self and his partner, Hendo not offering much because I felt he was too defensive, Chirivella coming on allowed him to move into the box-box role role and become more effective with our team looking more balanced.

      Clyne and Gomez are quality, but still unsure on Gomez's offensive play. Difficult to judge Lovren as their attack was poor! Would have liked to have seen more Maguire, I think he could be a surprise this season!

      Ibe was bright, and adding some spark into our attack, but I want to see him release the ball quicker and improve his end product. Lallana was average whilst Coutinho was very good despite not being match fit!

      As for Ings and Origi, I think I would play Origi ahead, I just feel he has more pace, strength and power.

      Overall, I felt first half was poor by our standards, but when 2nd half arrived and we managed to get that 1st goal, we improved. Still need to work on our passing game and play a specialist DM/DLPM, and with Firmino and Benteke to come in, I think we could trouble a lot of teams.
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      Re: HJK 0:2 Liverpool Pre, in game & post match debate.
      Reply #247: Aug 01, 2015 07:44:20 pm
      Yep, but at least that's exactly what we hope Benteke, Firmino, and Sturridge when he's fit again, will bring to the team.

      Absolutely debs, he's got that same effortless class. If he goes on to be half as succesful as Xabi we'll have a top player on our hands.



      He has mate.  Let's hope he doesn't get overlooked but I think he's an ideal Brendan midfield recycler a bit like Allen but potentially better so I doubt he hasn't noticed him.
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      Re: HJK 0:2 Liverpool Pre, in game & post match debate.
      Reply #248: Aug 01, 2015 07:47:58 pm
      Chirivella impressed me when he came on, very composed and kept the ball ticking. Milner was his usual self and his partner, Hendo not offering much because I felt he was too defensive, Chirivella coming on allowed him to move into the box-box role role and become more effective.

      It was very noticeable mate and maybe that's how we plan to do things.  Keep it tight for the first 60 then take it up a notch and go for it, rather than the full throttle, all out assault in the first 20 and try to desperately hold on to a lead.
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      Reply #249: Aug 01, 2015 07:51:24 pm
      It was very noticeable mate and maybe that's how we plan to do things.  Keep it tight for the first 60 then take it up a notch and go for it, rather than the full throttle, all out assault in the first 20 and try to desperately hold on to a lead.

      That's exactly the way we're going to play. Brendan mentioned at the start of pre-season that the tactics were to go all out in the first 20 of the first half and then sit back for the remaining 25 and the same for the second half. I'd rather we didn't do it like that as it may affect us if we don't have a lead going into the final phases of either half but hopefully that doesn't happen.
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      Re: HJK 0:2 Liverpool Pre, in game & post match debate.
      Reply #250: Aug 01, 2015 07:54:39 pm
      That's exactly the way we're going to play. Brendan mentioned at the start of pre-season that the tactics were to go all out in the first 20 of the first half and then sit back for the remaining 25 and the same for the second half. I'd rather we didn't do it like that as it may affect us if we don't have a lead going into the final phases of either half but hopefully that doesn't happen.

      Think you may be reading too much into the tactics of our pre season games. We've certainly been alternating between pressing hard and stepping off a teams a little, but I'd say the frequency with which we switch between these philosophies of play during a game will not be as much during this seasons games than it has been during the pre season matches. Rodgers will have been trying to get his players used to playing both styles, and indeed switching between them, but I'd be hugely surprised if we had a predictable plan like "press for 20 minutes, sit off for 25". I thought the whole point of Ljinders and O'Driscoll was to bring new ideas to the table and make us less predictable.
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      Re: HJK 0:2 Liverpool Pre, in game & post match debate.
      Reply #251: Aug 01, 2015 07:59:54 pm
      That's exactly the way we're going to play. Brendan mentioned at the start of pre-season that the tactics were to go all out in the first 20 of the first half and then sit back for the remaining 25 and the same for the second half. I'd rather we didn't do it like that as it may affect us if we don't have a lead going into the final phases of either half but hopefully that doesn't happen.

      I guess that could happen in some games mate but I think we have far more goal threats now rather than relying on 1 or 2 players to win games.

      Lallana's been scoring well, so has Milner, Ibe, Cou and both strikers have all been on the score sheet this pre season.  Add in big Mama and Markovic, with Benteke, Firmino and Studge to come in, that's a much better spread of goals than we've had previously.  Not forgetting Hendo will get a few too.

      How weird it'll be to not be a one man team anymore  ;)
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      Re: HJK 0:2 Liverpool Pre, in game & post match debate.
      Reply #252: Aug 01, 2015 08:07:36 pm
      That was a poor perfomance.
      sh*te. Anyone thinking otherwise are kidding themselves.

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