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      Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.

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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #506: Sep 20, 2015 11:15:17 pm
      I think if Mignolet had cleared that ball from which they scored, most people would be talking about how many chances we missed rather than any hint of us being lucky to win.

      We played well enough to win just didn't take our chances. 4 goals in 6 games tells its own story.
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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #507: Sep 20, 2015 11:15:19 pm
      If we can't play well and dominate Norwich at Anfield what hope is there for us.
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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #508: Sep 20, 2015 11:20:34 pm
      Missed the game.

      Result doesn't surprise me.

      I said before hand that Brendan needed a convincing win just to even tread water but I had a bad feeling we wouldn't get that as we always need more than 1 goal these days to even have a chance of winning a football match and we haven't done that since the May 2nd against a QPR side already relegated.

      last 44 league games scored 56 conceded 55 how can you win games when you concede the same number of goals as you score.
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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #509: Sep 20, 2015 11:54:01 pm
      I get that, honestly, but I don't see what the answer is. Sack the manager? Hello to another two/three seasons of change with no guarantees of improvement.


      Start with a manager who has won something of note and isn't just here for job experience would be a start!!
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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #510: Sep 20, 2015 11:56:36 pm
      Because we're six games in to the season after a Summer were the manager was backed, the backroom staff was changed and ÂŁ70 million was spent, and changing managers this soon would absolutely do more harm than good without a major shake up of how the club operates and a clear plan on how to actually move forward because the current strategy, assuming we have one, is not working. If we're to change managers, we do it in the Summer, whilst FSG spends this season re-evaluating how they can take us forward because they're currently taking us backwards.

      That is why you go out and get a manager who has a bit of a scooby with what he is doing, has a plan, knows the players to buy to fit into that system etc.

      Keeping Rodgers will do us more harm than good imo and the majority of the match-going crowd are starting to think like that.

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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #511: Sep 21, 2015 12:38:35 am
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      Liverpool 1 Norwich City 1

      The last time they were in the Barclays Premier League it was Liverpool, arguably more than
      any other opponent, who highlighted the weaknesses that condemned Norwich City to a year
      in the Sky Bet Championship. On their return to Anfield, they discovered that they no longer
      have anything to fear from Brendan Rodgers’s side. Liverpool’s rapid descent from title
      challengers to also-rans has another yardstick, one that leaves their manager facing the kind of
      pressure that few in his profession survive.
      Rodgers was entitled to argue that Liverpool deserved more from this fixture than Norwich
      allowed them and his position was supported by Alex Neil, the Norwich manager, who agreed
      that John Ruddy, his goalkeeper, had been the game’s outstanding performer.
      But this was the 18th time in their past 20 matches that Liverpool have failed to score more
      than one goal; their problems run deep and show no signs of being solved. By the final
      whistle, patience had evaporated and Liverpool left the field with the sound of booing from
      their supporters accompanying their retreat to the dressing room.
      Rodgers had asked the fans to stick with his ailing team beforehand, using his programme
      notes to appeal to those who, should they turn on him, have the power to seal his fate. The
      supporters delivered up until the very end of the game, their patience admirable given the
      paucity of quality that they were being served with, but it is the players on the pitch rather
      than those in the stands who should be Rodgers’s greatest concern.
      Five games without a win leaves Liverpool in the bottom half of the table. Even in the
      opening weeks of the season, when a single point separates sixth from 13th, that is not a good
      place for Rodgers to be in.
      Events continue to conspire against him, the broken foot suffered by Jordan Henderson, the
      captain, being the latest harsh blow. In the ruthless world occupied by football’s top clubs,
      though, such mitigation counts for little, particularly at Liverpool, where the expectation
      remains that a top four-place has to be pursued regardless of misfortune. Based on recent
      form, it is hard to see how that objective can be achieved. The view that Liverpool are an
      average team is going to take some shifting.
      Norwich would be better placed than most to highlight what has gone wrong for Liverpool. In
      their past five matches against the Merseyside club, they conceded 21 goals but none of the
      players who inflicted such damage are still at Anfield. Luis SuĂĄrez, scorer of 12 of those
      goals, has left a hole that neither transfer committee nor manager has been able to fill.
      Rodgers had hoped that Daniel Sturridge could at least make the void less noticeable, but in
      his first appearance since April, the inevitable rustiness ensured that the forward was unable
      to do so.
      In the first half especially, Liverpool’s attacking threat was negligible. After James Milner’s
      unsuccessful attempt to win a penalty in the second minute, it took another half an hour before
      Ruddy made his first save, a fairly comfortable stop from Sturridge, who had been picked out
      by Lucas Leiva.
      Norwich were also struggling to create but having been set up to challenge Liverpool to break
      them down, going in goalless at the interval ensured that they were the more content of the
      two teams.
      The dynamic shifted in Liverpool’s favour within three minutes of the second half, when
      Danny Ings, on as a substitute for Christian Benteke, who had suffered a hamstring strain —
      raced on to Alberto Moreno’s through ball and beat Ruddy with a low shot to score his first
      goal for his new club.
      “Danny was outstanding,” Rodgers said. “His ability running in behind was there to see.” It
      also contrasted with the movement of Benteke, which had again been functional rather than
      inspired.
      What transpired next provided a stark lesson in what happens when clubs become overly
      dependent on average players. For all his improvement in the second half of last season,
      Simon Mignolet remains an obvious weak link and his pitiful attempt to punch Robbie
      Brady’s corner clear succeeded only in presenting the ball to Russell Martin. It was the
      second gift that the Norwich captain had received in the space of 12 hours, after the birth of
      his son that morning, and he took full advantage, hooking a shot over the outstretched
      Mignolet.
      “We lost our concentration,” Rodgers said before insisting that responsibility for the goal did
      not belong to his goalkeeper alone.
      Mignolet made amends shortly after, up to a point, after producing a sharp save to deny Matt
      Jarvis from close range before Sturridge’s first run-out since April came to an end after 63
      minutes. Philippe Coutinho could have alleviated the pressure on his manager after latching
      on to a through ball from Emre Can, but he hesitated, contemplating whether to pass to Ings,
      and by the time he opted to shoot, Ruddy was in position to make a superb save. With that
      wasted opportunity, Liverpool’s chance to win for the first time in a month had evaporated.
      “I am disappointed and frustrated with the result but I thought in the second half there were
      more signs of fluency and creativity,” Rodgers said. “We created enough chances to win the
      game. There were a lot more positives.”
      Despite accentuating the positives from what was a disappointing draw, Rodgers is
      sufficiently worldly wise to know that hard luck stories count for little at present.
      “You get no sympathy,” he admitted. The problem is that if Liverpool retain their ambitions,
      the scope for his employers to offer any is likely to be diminishing
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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #512: Sep 21, 2015 12:55:59 am
      I was at the match today and let me tell you, we were sh*te. Yes, we were better than what we were against both West Ham and United so yes I suppose it was an improvement but we were still crap.

      Our play was painfully slow. We were dreadful particularly in the middle of the park. I never thought we would break Norwich down with a neat move or with a pass. I actually thought they were the better footballing side when in possession too.

      Norwich never really looked under huge pressure.  Thought some of their one touch stuff was good at times.

      Milner was shocking.  As I've said before as good as he looked against Singapore and Thailand and that he's done nothing in the Premier League for us.  How he's handed the captaincy is beyond me.

      Like you said, we did play better but in the cold light of day it still wasn't good.  What's that 4 wins in 16 games or something? About 16 points from 15 or something?  That's abysmal for Liverpool.

      Somebody else mentioned the crowd - yes piss poor again as is now standard although I'd like to add that I was in the Anny Road and only realised Norwich had brought some fans for about 10 seconds after their goal.  Has there ever been a worse away support at Anfield - usually the away fans help create an atmosphere at a Premier League game but today there was nothing on either side.  Stadium announcer even thanked them a few minutes before the end for sitting down all game - what's that all about!?
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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #513: Sep 21, 2015 01:31:48 am
      How do you sum it up?

      Probably the best overall performance in the last 15 games on the balance and taking the Arsenal first half into account.

      Reality is that currently our best overall performance can not guarantee us 3 points against Norwich and that is where we are at.
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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #514: Sep 21, 2015 04:30:18 am
      ermmmmmm.... so if enough of you old cu*ts are done whining about how things aren't the same as they were back in 2003..... how about you analyse the game and how our young players went?
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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #515: Sep 21, 2015 07:55:52 am
      ermmmmmm.... so if enough of you old cu*ts are done whining about how things aren't the same as they were back in 2003..... how about you analyse the game and how our young players went?

      Ermmmmmm instead of being a tit you tell us!!

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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #516: Sep 21, 2015 08:27:15 am
      Ermmmmmm, when your balls have dropped sonny come back on and I'll give you a answer!!!

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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #517: Sep 21, 2015 08:27:26 am
      Another game , another totally bewildering ,inept performance by Rodgers.

      Formation changes again , baffling substitutions and then comes out after the game saying we need to show more courage!!!! 
      This man does not know what he is doing . 8 pts from our fisrt 6 games and total lack of goals or any sort of cohesive defensive set up.
      I'm sick of watching this crap.
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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #518: Sep 21, 2015 08:56:54 am
      Can't believe Rodgers is still manager. Really shocking from owners, who clearly don't give a sh*t.

      We need real manager and not outstanding speaker.

      Yesterday performance wasn't good for LFC, but for some fans expectation really drop. Don't forget we are LFC.   
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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #519: Sep 21, 2015 09:06:42 am
      I'm not sure even with the formation we put in yesterday would work against bigger side. We did well because Norwich kept giving the ball away and giving us chances on a plate where we failed to capitalize on them.

      Again we had Can playing out of position (He isn't a CB, never will and was exposed a couple of times) and Clyne playing in a unfamiliar wing back role (I rate him as a Full back not a wing back).

      Then he takes out Lucas, whose done well and keeps Milner, who was wasteful? mind boggling substitution
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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #520: Sep 21, 2015 09:27:31 am
      We could have  lost that game Migs actually made a very good save late on. This was a very Avg team that will do well to stay up and we never really put them to the sword. A new sign has been put up in the tunnel " This is Anfield enjoy your day"
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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #521: Sep 21, 2015 09:32:43 am
      We could have  lost that game Migs actually made a very good save late on. This was a very Avg team that will do well to stay up and we never really put them to the sword. A new sign has been put up in the tunnel " This is Anfield enjoy your day"

      Not forgetting Norwich's other chance when ball was played in from right and right across face of goal, only needed a touch from Norwich forward.
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      Reply #522: Sep 21, 2015 09:50:39 am
      We are going to struggle to stay in the top half of the table this year.
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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #523: Sep 21, 2015 10:03:02 am
      With Bottler on board surely.
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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #524: Sep 21, 2015 10:52:12 am
      Don't like our change in style since Benteke arrived ... percentage-play-long-ball with no support, pain drying stuff

      Didn't see the game ... but when Benteke went off, were we better?  Like, with Ings and Studge up, did we play better football?

      Sounds like Milner had a howler based on posts... not good from a captain
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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #525: Sep 21, 2015 12:11:32 pm
      Mistimed shots, shooting straight at the keeper, better option to pass the ball then taking a shot in the box, taking a shot instead of making a final pass in the box, overhit a decisive pass inside the box, players inside the box in possession and don't know what to do with the ball to score,  I can go on and name a few more. These are signs of rustiness where our players were asked to camp far too long outside the box; consequently, they were hesitant and these are signs of rustiness with unfamiliar surroundings and it just don't happen by coincidence.

      BR under tremendous pressure suddenly decided to throw the kitchen sink at Norwich by having perhaps every player except Mig, Lucas and Sakho inside the opposition box.  Sadly he has not done enough training or asked the players to do the same  to make them more productive. As the saying goes, practice makes perfect.

      That's what fans have been saying all along, the quality of players are not too bad but it's the final third that BR has this mental block to turn us into a beast while a world class manager would have simply asked the players to perform the way we did yesterday if not better, not after 6 games only realise that we are capable of doing just that.
      « Last Edit: Sep 21, 2015 07:57:43 pm by redkop63 »
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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #526: Sep 21, 2015 12:37:29 pm
      We are going to struggle to stay in the top half of the table this year.

      Playing this way, we will struggle to stay in the division.

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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #527: Sep 21, 2015 12:46:21 pm
      Playing this way, we will struggle to stay in the division.



      That's not really true though is it?
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      Re: Liverpool 1:1 Norwich. In game & post match debate.
      Reply #528: Sep 21, 2015 12:46:56 pm
      Because we're six games in to the season after a Summer were the manager was backed, the backroom staff was changed and ÂŁ70 million was spent, and changing managers this soon would absolutely do more harm than good without a major shake up of how the club operates and a clear plan on how to actually move forward because the current strategy, assuming we have one, is not working. If we're to change managers, we do it in the Summer, whilst FSG spends this season re-evaluating how they can take us forward because they're currently taking us backwards.

      10m net spend after EVERY star has been sold is hardly "backing the manager" tho..

      And we didn't spend 70m. We SOLD not far off 70m!

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