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      Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager

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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #13432: Sep 05, 2017 03:44:05 pm
      Frankly, Mr Shankly
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      Reply #13433: Sep 05, 2017 03:45:17 pm
      Completely transform our squad? I wouldn't go that far

      Overreaction on twitter? Never!
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      Reply #13434: Sep 05, 2017 03:49:25 pm
      Quoting net spend without context is a waste of time, and is pretty much meaningless.

      It would probably be a better idea to look at the quality of the squad, in each position, and focus on where we have improved, along with points/goals etc

      That's before we even speak about the young players coming in from U-23's and youth set ups.

      Context is everything.
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      Reply #13435: Sep 05, 2017 03:55:53 pm
      Quoting net spend without context is a waste of time, and is pretty much meaningless.

      It would probably be a better idea to look at the quality of the squad, in each position, and focus on where we have improved, along with points/goals etc

      That's before we even speak about the young players coming in from U-23's and youth set ups.

      Context is everything.

      I agree. The amount of money saved by bringing through TAA, Gomez and Woodburn will be massive and their development is often forgot in the transfer activity side of things. It's the good thing I suppose about not buying players because it allows Klopp to focus greater on improving young talent at the squad.

       I know it's become a cliche but the whole 'he'll be like a new signing' is pretty much true for those three. Seen enough of TAA and Gomez to know how massively improved they look already, hope we see Woodburn appearing in a few games after the international break. Just hope we don't overplay them - too many incidents in the last 20 years or so of running young players ragged and then they encounter terrible injuries later on in their career ala Michael Owen.
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      Reply #13436: Sep 05, 2017 03:58:12 pm
      Lineup for Klopp's first match in charge 22 months ago vs. Spurs:

      GK: Migs
      D: Clyne, Skrtel, Sakho, Moreno
      M: Can, Lucas, Milner
      F: Lallana, Origi, Coutinho

      Probable Lineup Saturday at Man City
      Migs
      D: TAA, Matip, Lovren, Moreno
      M: Henderson, Can, Gini
      F: Mane, Firmino, Salah

      Lallana, Milner, Coutinho and Clyne are still around but two or three unavailable through injury/depression. Milner a backup now.
      Of course the real transformation is the way we play, more than who plays.
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      Reply #13437: Sep 05, 2017 04:00:03 pm
      I agree. The amount of money saved by bringing through TAA, Gomez and Woodburn will be massive and their development is often forgot in the transfer activity side of things. It's the good thing I suppose about not buying players because it allows Klopp to focus greater on improving young talent at the squad.

       I know it's become a cliche but the whole 'he'll be like a new signing' is pretty much true for those three. Seen enough of TAA and Gomez to know how massively improved they look already, hope we see Woodburn appearing in a few games after the international break. Just hope we don't overplay them - too many incidents in the last 20 years or so of running young players ragged and then they encounter terrible injuries later on in their career ala Michael Owen.

      I don't really think of it as money saved, but rather money invested in a different way, and to me the right way (investing in youth)

      The number of youth players coming through generally in England is nothing short of a disgrace.
      There's the odd decent player but very little depth, which in turn leads to what you rightly point out, with kids burning out or picking up serious injuries at a young age.

      If Klopp's approach changes that at Liverpool, it can only be a good thing.
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      Reply #13438: Sep 05, 2017 04:05:47 pm
      I don't really think of it as money saved, but rather money invested in a different way, and to me the right way (investing in youth)

      The number of youth players coming through generally in England is nothing short of a disgrace.
      There's the odd decent player but very little depth, which in turn leads to what you rightly point out, with kids burning out or picking up serious injuries at a young age.

      If Klopp's approach changes that at Liverpool, it can only be a good thing.

      I'm sure that will get those "world class spenders" fans upset. Every dollar saved could have been spent on a world class player. :lmao: how dare they keep the money!
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      Reply #13439: Sep 05, 2017 04:12:49 pm
      I'm sure that will get those "world class spenders" fans upset. Every dollar saved could have been spent on a world class player. :lmao: how dare they keep the money!

       :laugh:

      The ideal would be to have an effective youth system that we can add bigger names to.

      Now's the time to get that running properly IMO, because sooner or later the money bubble will burst, just as it did in Italy, years ago.
      The likes of City and Chelsea will be in a piss poor position if their owners decide that the funds dry up, and politics could play a major role in that, as part of owning a club, if you're from the Mid East is also about projecting soft power.
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      Reply #13440: Sep 05, 2017 04:14:17 pm
      I don't really think of it as money saved, but rather money invested in a different way, and to me the right way (investing in youth)

      The number of youth players coming through generally in England is nothing short of a disgrace.
      There's the odd decent player but very little depth, which in turn leads to what you rightly point out, with kids burning out or picking up serious injuries at a young age.

      If Klopp's approach changes that at Liverpool, it can only be a good thing.

      You only have to look at the situation regarding Man City and say - do we really want to be like that? Trophies, league championships - brilliant. That is the dream but think a little bit more and you say 'not like that'. The very least we can do is try winning it a better way. The best thing that can be said about that club is that they are nothing but a global football exhibition. If Klopp can successfully integrate youth into the team, local youth in TAA and Woodburn, and more beyond them then what a success that would be. All the greatest teams in the world had a sense of identity with a few players here and there who hailed from the region surrounding the club.

      I'm sure that will get those "world class spenders" fans upset. Every dollar saved could have been spent on a world class player. :lmao: how dare they keep the money!

      If FSG took the money for Coutinho and ploughed it into the new Kirkby complex, the Academy or further redevelopment of the Anfield area I'd love to see who would complain.
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      Reply #13441: Sep 05, 2017 04:40:53 pm

      What is even more impressive is that he has embedded his philosophy and discipline into the squad since he arrived. We were all over the place before him, weren't we? He has stabilized us and given us identity and personality.... world class manager!
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      Reply #13442: Sep 05, 2017 04:45:09 pm
      :laugh:

      The ideal would be to have an effective youth system that we can add bigger names to.


      I believe that there should be a balance between the two, but, the trick/difficulty is in getting that balance right.

       Say, for example, Southampton has a decent  youth setup and a good scouting system. They have found their feet in the PL the right way. But, it has come at the cost of the club having to sell its players to the "bigger" clubs. Actually, Rodgers mentioned as much (arrogantly) when we were in for Lovren a couple of years ago. They have sold their players to us, United, Arsenal...  On the other hand City and Chelsea have excellent youth setups. In fact, City youth teams have won a few trophies in the past few years. But, managers always take the easy way out. Pep has not given a chance to a single player from their academy even though he mentioned that he had signed to provide chances to the academy players in the team.

      So, it all comes down to the manager and whether he is willing to provide chances to the young players. Wenger in a recent interview mentioned that giving a chance to a young player results in dropping precious points and that when he is taking such decisions he is lonely and ends up standing up for himself. While it is not necessary that you need to be like Wenger and play Holding against the likes of Mane, his statements provide a POV and the decisions managers need to make.

      I think the United Liverpool game last season was the first game in quiet a while when the two teams did not field a single player from their academies (not completely sure about this.. Correct me if I am wrong) . Is it because of the money that is getting pumped into the league? Will managers open the doors from academy to first team if less money is made available to spend?  Is it because of the pressure on managers to win that makes them more of CEO than a coach(Wenger mentioned this too in one of his interviews)? Does all this provide a reason to start B teams similar to what we have in la liga?

      Sorry if this is out of topic...
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #13443: Sep 05, 2017 05:05:52 pm
      What is even more impressive is that he has embedded his philosophy and discipline into the squad since he arrived. We were all over the place before him, weren't we? He has stabilized us and given us identity and personality.... world class manager!

      I F***ing love him. Never been so happy with our manager. Best thing to happen to Liverpool in a long time.

      I just have this air of confidence when I see him come out with the team on match day.

      Let's not forget, he would walk into ANY team in the world.

      I genuinely think we'll go far in the champions league this season with this man in the driving seat.
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      Reply #13444: Sep 05, 2017 05:25:34 pm
      I F***ing love him. Never been so happy with our manager. Best thing to happen to Liverpool in a long time.

      Nah needs to win something to get himself amongst the greats.

      Still below Kenny and Rafa for me and that's in a I saw Kenny deliver us the league and Rafa win us Ol'Big ears kinda way!!
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      Reply #13445: Sep 05, 2017 05:37:29 pm
      Nah needs to win something to get himself amongst the greats.

      Still below Kenny and Rafa for me and that's in a I saw Kenny deliver us the league and Rafa win us Ol'Big ears kinda way!!


      I think we are primed for a special season this year, some silverware back in the cabinet.
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      Reply #13446: Sep 05, 2017 05:49:52 pm
      I think we are primed for a special season this year, some silverware back in the cabinet.

      Only if VVD joins in January and we get that c**t back playing to his best!
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      Reply #13447: Sep 05, 2017 06:05:58 pm
      Only if VVD joins in January and we get that c**t back playing to his best!

      One player won't make or break our season.
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      Reply #13448: Sep 05, 2017 07:21:24 pm
      One player won't make or break our season.


      In defence i think it will
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      Reply #13449: Sep 05, 2017 08:18:51 pm
      One player won't make or break our season.

      It won't , but having Coutinho opens up another dimension for our attack, and then you have VVD in defence who would probably make a huge difference defensively. Two players will improve us immensely.
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      Reply #13450: Sep 05, 2017 08:51:09 pm
      Why Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool players can’t be compared to their Premier League counterparts

      Richard Jolly explains why it’s often unfair to assess Jürgen Klopp’s players vs. their respective counterparts at other clubs, such is the manager’s unique style and ethos.

      Jürgen Klopp has a way of irritating journalists. Questions designed to elicit praise about a particular player can bring an ode to someone else altogether, probably one who has not taken the field in the game in question, or, more often, a reply about the team as a whole. In a way, it is fitting: it reflects Klopp’s collectivist ethos.

      Rewind a few years and Liverpool seemed disproportionately dependent on individual inspiration, whether from Steven Gerrard or Luis Suarez. Despite Philippe Coutinho’s class, Roberto Firmino’s ubiquity and Sadio Mane’s goals, Klopp’s Liverpool are designed to stand or fall less because of the fortunes of one player.

      That is the aim. No one is bigger than the club and, while Klopp may not plan it that way, the manager often feels the star. But Liverpool’s tactical and philosophical approach can make it harder to assess individuals than it is at many another club. It is about the group.

      When Liverpool play well, there is a fluency and a harmony and a pace. When they don’t, those qualities can be lacking. Look at more rigid, formulaic sides and it is easier to diagnose a personnel problem when a team underperforms. The striker missed chances? Pick a different one. The left winger didn’t have a good game? Replace him with another. The full-back cost the team a goal? Drop him.

      It isn’t quite that simple with Liverpool, not least because the left winger does not really occupy the left wing. Nor are the full-backs really full-backs. The supposed striker is not really a striker. The temptation, of course, is to compare them with counterparts elsewhere or predecessors in more orthodox set-ups.

      They are unlikely to happen when he is in such a rich vein of form but Roberto Firmino is most susceptible to negative judgments.

      There is a straightforward, if not always entirely accurate, way of measuring a centre-forward’s contribution: goals. And, over the course of the season, the Brazilian may well score fewer than his equivalents at the other top-six clubs. But nor, because of his positioning, is he likely to get as many tap-ins. Last season, because of James Milner’s presence, he did not even get the penalties that inflate others’ tallies.

      Divock Origi is another case in point. Some of the Belgian’s outings have come on the left of the front three where he is neither winger nor striker but a hybrid. And what should such a player manage? Mane and Mohamed Salah are so productive that it is easy to applaud their efforts but there is no clear measure of where expectations ought to be calibrated.

      Then there is the question of how to appraise the full-backs. There are times when Alberto Moreno seems a kamikaze figure, charging forward recklessly; when, for instance, he attempts to close down the Hoffenheim goalkeeper, leaves a gap behind him and Liverpool concede a penalty seconds later and 100 yards downfield.

      That seemed an instance of positional indiscipline but how many of the times when a full-back appears to be caught in the wrong station is he actually following instructions?

      The different duties of the wide men at Anfield are apparent in the statistic showing the player with most touches in the Premier League last season: Milner.

      Apart from the man in sixth place, his colleague Nathaniel Clyne, no one usually deployed at full-back figured in the top 13 and only one other, Nacho Monreal, in the top 26. Virtually everyone else who was as involved was used in midfield. Should they, therefore, be judged as midfielders when the natural inclination is to look for defensive deficiencies when goals go in?

      The other complication is that there is not the division of responsibilities that can be found elsewhere. Watch some sides and the roles are clear: top scorer, target man, playmaker, midfield ball-winner, creator in chief. They recruit specialists. Klopp, whose players have nearly all occupied multiple roles at different periods in their career and who, in some cases, has reinvented them, likes all-rounders.

      All of which presents difficulties in evaluating them. Take Gini Wijnaldum. He can score goals, but probably does not qualify as a goalscoring midfielder. He can make them, but may not be deemed a flair player. He can be the most attack-minded of the trio in the centre of the park, or the second most. When he and Liverpool excel, he slots in seamlessly. When he or they are below par, remedying the problem can be difficult with a footballer who does a bit of everything without specialising in anything.

      It highlights the way Liverpool, challenging British preconceptions about players, possess the principles of Total Football. A focus on individuals can be reductive when, apart from specific cases like goalkeepers and centre-backs or games where there is patently one weak link, they rely not just on Cruyffian logic, but chemistry and defining chemistry is not always easy.

      It is merely evident when it is there and when it is missing. How to get it, and who provides it, are trickier issues altogether.

      Klopp does not always play the game by talking up players for headlines, perhaps because he realises that describing them in isolation can be deceptive and distilling complex roles into soundbites is not always easy or helpful.

      https://www.thisisanfield.com/2017/09/Jürgen-klopps-liverpool-players-cant-compared-premier-league-counterparts/amp/
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #13451: Sep 06, 2017 05:42:38 pm
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      Reply #13452: Sep 09, 2017 03:48:22 pm
      Well Jürgen still adamant there is no defenders out there better than the current mob.
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      Reply #13453: Sep 09, 2017 03:57:52 pm
      Well Jürgen still adamant there is no defenders out there better than the current mob.

      Where are all the guys from the Brendan Rodgers thread - in case your looking to make some fun of some more manager quotes...
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      Reply #13454: Sep 09, 2017 05:43:48 pm
      One best attacking manager in world but these is premier league were need a good defence win league

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