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      Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager

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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #16560: Feb 15, 2018 06:45:49 am
      Said it before say it again love the man! Wouldn't have anyone else at the helm.
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #16561: Feb 15, 2018 06:49:29 am
      Some of the teams we were putting out in the last couple of months were more akin to a manager looking to deliberately lose in the League Cup. For instance remember the 3-1 defeat to Swansea in May 2016? We were playing Brad Smith, Chirivella, Ojo Brannagan, Ibe and Ward for heaven's sake!

      and we still managed to get to two finals!!
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      Reply #16562: Feb 15, 2018 09:18:34 am

      I think he's sh!te, you should bring back Roy.  :f_whistle:
      « Last Edit: Feb 15, 2018 11:30:25 am by Keith Singleton »
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      Reply #16563: Feb 15, 2018 09:51:01 am
      Still feeling the glow from last night :) What a win, top performance.

      I might be overdoing this, but the VVD signing imho has made a huge difference.
      I'd not seen that much of him before he signed, and it was a massive amount of money for a defender, but it's true what they say - if he plays well and contributes to the team, nobody bangs on about the price tag.
      Dominant in the air, comfortable on the ball, seems to be a decent talker/organiser - and in the first half last night when we were finding it hard to make progress, he was knocking long diagonals like a midfielder and finding his man.
      Karius is doing well, but he can only be benefiting from having that guy in front of him, and he seems to be enjoying it.
      The whole defense looks better for having him there.
      Looks like a class piece of business.
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #16564: Feb 15, 2018 10:09:59 am
      Boss got me dreaming...
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #16565: Feb 15, 2018 10:18:34 am
      Can we win champions league? Yes.
      Is Klopp a good manager? Yes
      Has he met expectations yet? No
      Is his job safe? Yes

      Bad;

      Cost us points and trophies by sticking with Mignolet too long.
      Inactivity in the transfer window can be frustrating.
      Backing Moreno far too long, cost us against Sevilla... Champions league position lost that year.

      Good

      Better than any other recent managers.
      Got us back in Europe
      Done well in Europe
      Team has improved and now has potential

      7/10
      « Last Edit: Feb 15, 2018 10:26:40 am by Ribapuru »
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      Reply #16566: Feb 15, 2018 10:21:43 am
      Brilliant win last night, no one can complain about team selection, on this performance.
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      Reply #16567: Feb 15, 2018 12:17:29 pm
      Can we win champions league? Yes.
      Is Klopp a good manager? Yes
      Has he met expectations yet? No
      Is his job safe? Yes

      Bad;

      Cost us points and trophies by sticking with Mignolet too long.
      Inactivity in the transfer window can be frustrating.
      Backing Moreno far too long, cost us against Sevilla... Champions league position lost that year.

      Good

      Better than any other recent managers.
      Got us back in Europe
      Done well in Europe
      Team has improved and now has potential

      7/10

      I am sure he had a good night's sleep with your approval & blessing. But, I am sure he was up some part of the night worring about the 3 points you didn't give him.  :roll:
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #16568: Feb 15, 2018 12:27:44 pm
      Can we win champions league? Yes.
      Is Klopp a good manager? Yes
      Has he met expectations yet? No
      Is his job safe? Yes

      Bad;

      Cost us points and trophies by sticking with Mignolet too long.
      Inactivity in the transfer window can be frustrating.
      Backing Moreno far too long, cost us against Sevilla... Champions league position lost that year.

      Good

      Better than any other recent managers.
      Got us back in Europe
      Done well in Europe
      Team has improved and now has potential

      7/10
      F**k your an annoying little attention seeking pr**k just do one allready!
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      Reply #16569: Feb 15, 2018 03:04:36 pm
      I am sure he had a good night's sleep with your approval & blessing. But, I am sure he was up some part of the night worring about the 3 points you didn't give him.  :roll:

      I actually genuinely think he probably was, Jürgen knows there is still lots of room for improvement, but we are moving in the right direction. The signing of VVD was huge, even with the sale of Couts we are now a better team overall.
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #16570: Feb 15, 2018 03:05:39 pm
      I think he's sh!te, you should bring back Roy.  :f_whistle:

      Evans!!
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #16571: Feb 15, 2018 03:06:01 pm
      F**k your an annoying little attention seeking pr**k just do one allready!


      Its amazing what posts get upvotes these days, it used to be for well thought out or funny posts, but these days it seems to be for being the forum bully, sad.
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #16572: Feb 15, 2018 03:06:35 pm
      Can we win champions league? Yes.
      Is Klopp a good manager? Yes
      Has he met expectations yet? No
      Is his job safe? Yes

      Bad;

      Cost us points and trophies by sticking with Mignolet too long.
      Inactivity in the transfer window can be frustrating.
      Backing Moreno far too long, cost us against Sevilla... Champions league position lost that year.

      Good

      Better than any other recent managers.
      Got us back in Europe
      Done well in Europe
      Team has improved and now has potential

      7/10

      It is beyond sad and indicative of your surreal mindset that you would have thought he'd have met expectations by now - what those expectations are, f**k knows because you seem to be shifting the goal posts every single day. Also it's funny you have to source the Europa League Final (in his first season in charge with a squad that he had no input in) and his decision to play Moreno as a fault of his...aside from the fact he was the only recognisable left back available to us. The utter sh*t you spout is unreal at times Rib. It's like you have to find a new stick to poke him with every week because someone else comes along and makes a complete mockery of you.

      Who know's what you're going to slate him for next week? That he doesn't shave his beard enough or to your trim high standards? That because he works in Britain he should show his gratitude of making a living here by choosing to wear outdated NHS spectacles?

      Who the f**k knows? Only you it seems.
      « Last Edit: Feb 15, 2018 03:41:52 pm by Frankly, Mr Shankly »
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #16573: Feb 15, 2018 03:34:40 pm
      Hmmm - unsurprisingly fud-lite in this thread today.

      If only we had a top manager....

      If only he would buy a keeper and save his job...

      Don't let these good results fool you - it's all about signing a keeper - the beginning and end of all manager evaluations.
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #16574: Feb 15, 2018 04:34:24 pm
      It is beyond sad and indicative of your surreal mindset that you would have thought he'd have met expectations by now - what those expectations are, f**k knows because you seem to be shifting the goal posts every single day. Also it's funny you have to source the Europa League Final (in his first season in charge with a squad that he had no input in) and his decision to play Moreno as a fault of his...aside from the fact he was the only recognisable left back available to us. The utter sh*t you spout is unreal at times Rib. It's like you have to find a new stick to poke him with every week because someone else comes along and makes a complete mockery of you.

      Who know's what you're going to slate him for next week? That he doesn't shave his beard enough or to your trim high standards? That because he works in Britain he should show his gratitude of making a living here by choosing to wear outdated NHS spectacles?

      Who the f**k knows? Only you it seems.
      first of all, Klopp wears raybans. You're probably too drunk to notice. Second, my expectations are trophies, not second place.... I don't expect every trophy, but even a small one like league cup. I shifted no goal posts, 5-0 against porto is good, but y'all acting like we've won silverware. If we finish in top four without a trophy it's acceptable but below expectations. If we win champions league for the 6th time he'll have gone beyond expectations. Just any trophy will do at this point. You're sitting on your perch right now, but I remember every game not just the most recent one.
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      Reply #16575: Feb 15, 2018 06:29:36 pm
      Can we win champions league? Yes.
      Is Klopp a good manager? Yes
      Has he met expectations yet? No
      Is his job safe? Yes

      Bad;

      Cost us points and trophies by sticking with Mignolet too long.
      Inactivity in the transfer window can be frustrating.
      Backing Moreno far too long, cost us against Sevilla... Champions league position lost that year.

      Good

      Better than any other recent managers.
      Got us back in Europe
      Done well in Europe
      Team has improved and now has potential

      7/10

      If Carlsberg made fans they would be nothing like you!
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      Reply #16576: Feb 15, 2018 07:02:35 pm
      first of all, Klopp wears raybans. You're probably too drunk to notice. Second, my expectations are trophies, not second place.... I don't expect every trophy, but even a small one like league cup. I shifted no goal posts, 5-0 against porto is good, but y'all acting like we've won silverware. If we finish in top four without a trophy it's acceptable but below expectations. If we win champions league for the 6th time he'll have gone beyond expectations. Just any trophy will do at this point. You're sitting on your perch right now, but I remember every game not just the most recent one.

      As ever you lack any context or relativity. When Klopp came into this club we were pulling in all different directions. We had a transfer strategy that was nothing of the kind and had chosen to turn its back on 'attractive, thrilling football' in favour of buying expensive duds like Christian Benteke, Markovic and bargain bin transfers like Lambert and Manquillo which, to use an analogy, was akin to throwing in rotten satsumas as 'stocking fillers' at Christmas time. Farcically we had the contradictory situation of an entire backroom staff being sacked in the summer of 2015 while the manager kept his job. When we found ourselves 'competing' in Europe in the seasons prior to Klopp's arrival we were dumped out by starry illustrious names like Braga, Zenit St Petersburg, Basle and Besiktas - three of those in the early stages of the Europa League for fucks sake. In the months prior to his arrival, we couldn't score more than one goal a game while shipping sh*t loads at the other end perfectly exemplified by possibly the worst ever performance in Liverpool FC history at Stoke in May 2015.

      So Klopp comes into the club and swiftly goes about doing what he does best. He gets us to two cup finals with a donkey of a squad. He then oversees our return to the Champions League while playing a brand of football that is not only thrilling and attractive to football fans all over but to players outwith the club. He deploys his charisma to convince class players like VVD to shun a bigger pay day (and instant trophies) at Man City. With few exceptions he has improved every single player at this club. He's seen what the likes of Mane and Salah did at their previous clubs and has improved them tenfold. He guides us through the Champions League with little to no fanfare and is back on the verge of getting us into the last 8 in Europe, the arena where we all felt we should have been competing. And he's achieved this while the competition around us has only got tougher. Not only have teams around us inflated the transfer market to stratospheric levels while we've remained at the same level, the income of brilliant managerial masterminds like Guardiola at Man City and Conte at Chelsea has only risen standards on the field as well. These two elements should have worked against Liverpool and Klopp but Klopp's leadership alone means that this doesn't become an issue or certainly an issue as big as it would have been under almost any other manager. 99.9% of managers out there would have been exposed under such circumstances but we aren't. Yeah - he hasn't got everything right and for sure in the goalkeeping matter his decision to try placating both keepers doesn't seem wise in retrospect but to use that in the way you are doing, to try and pithily use this as a dominating factor in your view of Klopp is pathetic when you fail to recognise so many greater matters that he has succeeded on.

      By all means, focus on the micro elements and criticise on that level but don't even dare try to fool us by taking such micro elements and expanding them into bigger, macro elements of his leadership at this club. When you try to argue such micro elements and apply it to a bigger, all encompassing argument then you fail miserably. It's like you're bringing a sausage to a sword fight. That's all you're doing and you look a fool for doing it.
      « Last Edit: Feb 15, 2018 08:34:12 pm by Frankly, Mr Shankly »
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      Reply #16577: Feb 15, 2018 07:17:31 pm
      As ever you lack any context or relativity. When Klopp came into this club we were pulling in all different directions. We had a transfer strategy that was nothing of the kind and had chosen to turn its back on 'attractive, thrilling football' in favour of buying expensive duds like Christian Benteke, Markovic and bargain bin transfers like Lambert and Manquillo which, to use an analogy, was tantamount to throwing in rotten satsumas as 'stocking fillers' at Christmas time. Farcically we had the contradictory situation of an entire backroom staff being sacked in the summer of 2015 while the manager kept his job. When we found ourselves 'competing' in Europe in the seasons prior to Klopp's arrival we were dumped out by starry illustrious names like Braga, Zenit St Petersburg, Basle and Besiktas - three of those in the early stages of the Europa League for fucks sake. In the months prior to his arrival, we couldn't score more than one goal a game while shipping sh*t loads at the other end perfectly exemplified by possibly the worst ever performance in Liverpool FC history at Stoke in May 2015.

      So Klopp comes into the club and swiftly goes about doing what he does best. He gets us to two cup finals with a donkey of a squad. He then oversees our return to the Champions League while playing a brand of football that is not only thrilling and attractive to football fans all over but to players outwith the club. He deploys his charisma to convince class players like VVD to shun a bigger pay day (and instant trophies) at Man City. With few exceptions he has improved every single player at this club. He's seen what the likes of Mane and Salah did at their previous clubs and has improved them tenfold. He guides us through the Champions League with little to no fanfare and is back on the verge of getting us into the last 8 in Europe, the arena where we all felt we should have been competing. And he's achieved this while the competition around us has only got tougher. Not only have teams around us inflated the transfer market to stratospheric levels while we've remained at the same level the incoming of brilliant managerial masterminds like Guardiola at Man City and Conte at Chelsea has only risen standards on the field as well. These two elements should have worked against Liverpool and Klopp but Klopp's leadership alone means that this doesn't become an issue. 99.9% of managers out there would have been exposed under such circumstances but we aren't. Yeah - he hasn't got everything right and for sure in the goalkeeping matter his decision to try placating both keepers doesn't seem wise in retrospect but to use that in the way you are doing, to try and pithily use this as a dominating factor in your view of Klopp is pathetic when you fail to recognise so many greater matters that he has succeeded on.

      By all means, focus on the micro elements and criticise on that level but don't even dare try to fool us by taking such micro elements and expanding them into bigger, macro elements of his leadership at this club. When you try to argue such micro elements and apply it to a bigger, all encompassing argument then you fail miserably. It's like you're bringing a sausage to a sword fight. That's all you're doing and you look a fool for doing it.

      Well said, but you must remember it's half term and Rib has probably done his homework and just comes on here to be a WUM.  :mad:
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      Reply #16578: Feb 15, 2018 07:44:39 pm
      As ever you lack any context or relativity. When Klopp came into this club we were pulling in all different directions. We had a transfer strategy that was nothing of the kind and had chosen to turn its back on 'attractive, thrilling football' in favour of buying expensive duds like Christian Benteke, Markovic and bargain bin transfers like Lambert and Manquillo which, to use an analogy, was tantamount to throwing in rotten satsumas as 'stocking fillers' at Christmas time. Farcically we had the contradictory situation of an entire backroom staff being sacked in the summer of 2015 while the manager kept his job. When we found ourselves 'competing' in Europe in the seasons prior to Klopp's arrival we were dumped out by starry illustrious names like Braga, Zenit St Petersburg, Basle and Besiktas - three of those in the early stages of the Europa League for fucks sake. In the months prior to his arrival, we couldn't score more than one goal a game while shipping sh*t loads at the other end perfectly exemplified by possibly the worst ever performance in Liverpool FC history at Stoke in May 2015.

      So Klopp comes into the club and swiftly goes about doing what he does best. He gets us to two cup finals with a donkey of a squad. He then oversees our return to the Champions League while playing a brand of football that is not only thrilling and attractive to football fans all over but to players outwith the club. He deploys his charisma to convince class players like VVD to shun a bigger pay day (and instant trophies) at Man City. With few exceptions he has improved every single player at this club. He's seen what the likes of Mane and Salah did at their previous clubs and has improved them tenfold. He guides us through the Champions League with little to no fanfare and is back on the verge of getting us into the last 8 in Europe, the arena where we all felt we should have been competing. And he's achieved this while the competition around us has only got tougher. Not only have teams around us inflated the transfer market to stratospheric levels while we've remained at the same level the incoming of brilliant managerial masterminds like Guardiola at Man City and Conte at Chelsea has only risen standards on the field as well. These two elements should have worked against Liverpool and Klopp but Klopp's leadership alone means that this doesn't become an issue. 99.9% of managers out there would have been exposed under such circumstances but we aren't. Yeah - he hasn't got everything right and for sure in the goalkeeping matter his decision to try placating both keepers doesn't seem wise in retrospect but to use that in the way you are doing, to try and pithily use this as a dominating factor in your view of Klopp is pathetic when you fail to recognise so many greater matters that he has succeeded on.

      By all means, focus on the micro elements and criticise on that level but don't even dare try to fool us by taking such micro elements and expanding them into bigger, macro elements of his leadership at this club. When you try to argue such micro elements and apply it to a bigger, all encompassing argument then you fail miserably. It's like you're bringing a sausage to a sword fight. That's all you're doing and you look a fool for doing it.

      To add to your post mate that Klopp has learned from mistakes of last season because we had a horrible run in the 2nd half of the season but now we look more solid and winning games in a professional way. We also look even better defensively and this is credit to the manager to improve our defensive organization and motivating players like Lovren to step up. He knows how he wants his team to play, he instilled his mentality that he used at Dortmund with a better and improved Liverpool team, who will only get better next season (I hope). We MIGHT even be better in Europe than we ever did under Rafa because we never used to demolish teams away from home, especially in the knockout stage!! Trophies will come, it's only a matter of time and we are heading through the right path.
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      Reply #16579: Feb 15, 2018 08:10:29 pm
      As ever you lack any context or relativity. When Klopp came into this club we were pulling in all different directions. We had a transfer strategy that was nothing of the kind and had chosen to turn its back on 'attractive, thrilling football' in favour of buying expensive duds like Christian Benteke, Markovic and bargain bin transfers like Lambert and Manquillo which, to use an analogy, was akin to throwing in rotten satsumas as 'stocking fillers' at Christmas time. Farcically we had the contradictory situation of an entire backroom staff being sacked in the summer of 2015 while the manager kept his job. When we found ourselves 'competing' in Europe in the seasons prior to Klopp's arrival we were dumped out by starry illustrious names like Braga, Zenit St Petersburg, Basle and Besiktas - three of those in the early stages of the Europa League for fucks sake. In the months prior to his arrival, we couldn't score more than one goal a game while shipping sh*t loads at the other end perfectly exemplified by possibly the worst ever performance in Liverpool FC history at Stoke in May 2015.

      So Klopp comes into the club and swiftly goes about doing what he does best. He gets us to two cup finals with a donkey of a squad. He then oversees our return to the Champions League while playing a brand of football that is not only thrilling and attractive to football fans all over but to players outwith the club. He deploys his charisma to convince class players like VVD to shun a bigger pay day (and instant trophies) at Man City. With few exceptions he has improved every single player at this club. He's seen what the likes of Mane and Salah did at their previous clubs and has improved them tenfold. He guides us through the Champions League with little to no fanfare and is back on the verge of getting us into the last 8 in Europe, the arena where we all felt we should have been competing. And he's achieved this while the competition around us has only got tougher. Not only have teams around us inflated the transfer market to stratospheric levels while we've remained at the same level the incoming of brilliant managerial masterminds like Guardiola at Man City and Conte at Chelsea has only risen standards on the field as well. These two elements should have worked against Liverpool and Klopp but Klopp's leadership alone means that this doesn't become an issue. 99.9% of managers out there would have been exposed under such circumstances but we aren't. Yeah - he hasn't got everything right and for sure in the goalkeeping matter his decision to try placating both keepers doesn't seem wise in retrospect but to use that in the way you are doing, to try and pithily use this as a dominating factor in your view of Klopp is pathetic when you fail to recognise so many greater matters that he has succeeded on.

      By all means, focus on the micro elements and criticise on that level but don't even dare try to fool us by taking such micro elements and expanding them into bigger, macro elements of his leadership at this club. When you try to argue such micro elements and apply it to a bigger, all encompassing argument then you fail miserably. It's like you're bringing a sausage to a sword fight. That's all you're doing and you look a fool for doing it.

      That’s an outstanding post 👌
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #16580: Feb 15, 2018 09:07:21 pm
      I think he's sh!te, you should bring back Roy.  :f_whistle:

      The subject isn't about Mourinho, Keith.
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #16581: Feb 15, 2018 09:28:21 pm
      Its amazing what posts get upvotes these days, it used to be for well thought out or funny posts, but these days it seems to be for being the forum bully, sad.

      No bully here simply telling a tried and tested WUM to pipe down.
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #16582: Feb 15, 2018 09:50:35 pm
      No. You're speaking your opinion, not the truth

      The truth is that we are now more consistent than any time since mid Rafa times. 



      True.

      We had that awesome spell under Brendan but this us the most consistent we've been in a long time.

      Listen Jürgen makes mistakes, he makes judgements that I question and disagree with but there is no doubt he has us playing great football and long may that continue.

      I think he's done a very smart job on the keepers and that may be showing signs of fruition with Karius and also like how he integrated Robertson into the team. Came from a small club and looks like Jürgen gave him time to settle before playing him into the side.

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