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      Reply #15571: Jan 07, 2018 03:52:09 pm
      Some funny stuff from The Two Ronnies,well played.
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      Reply #15572: Jan 07, 2018 03:56:49 pm
      It’s time to accept reality buddy

      We are a mistable/Europa team

      We don’t dare to be great anymore and we don’t have a winning mentality and this proved it
      It’s heatbreaking but it’s true

      Actions speak louder than words and no bigger action has been spoken than what happened

      We have lost our best cm and am. A world class player is going and we are either not going to use his money to buy 2-3 world class players or we will buy someone like Mahrez and bank th rest

      We were so close to getting back to the top but have taken a giant leap backwards

      You don’t sel your best players if you want to be the best

      I have no trust in the boss to bring in world class cm players and keeper because he rather sell our best play at and coach the rest

      I don’t know whether some fans just choose not to accept that FSG have made us midtable or just cannot accept it.

      Unfortunately we have a manager too good for us too, and he will not be here for much longer. Neither will salah or Firmino.

      The only positive is the fee we paid for VVD means FSG cannot make a huge profit on him so he may stay a while
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      Reply #15573: Jan 07, 2018 03:58:40 pm
      Yes selling an unwanted player is not a bad thing, it’s the principle of it, and the fact that all of our top players now see us as a stepping stone to success, they all know if they want honours they must leave Liverpool, our lack of ambition is costing us dearly. Every keeps talking about our profit from Suarez and sterling and countinho but look at them, Suarez has won trophies, Sterling will win the league this year, countinho will too.

      What have we won? A nice net spend

      Even Mourinho moans about not spending enough. I mean is it still a sport or simply a money league. Leicester can answer that one. We just have to get on with it. The stark reality is we will lose top players but if they want out there is not much point in forcing them to stay.
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      Reply #15574: Jan 07, 2018 04:12:35 pm
      Even Mourinho moans about not spending enough. I mean is it still a sport or simply a money league. Leicester can answer that one. We just have to get on with it. The stark reality is we will lose top players but if they want out there is not much point in forcing them to stay.

      Mourinho is an idiot, the fact of the matter is on February 1st when you look back over this window only one of the top 6 will have sold their best player, city never will, Chelsea have hazard who wants out but won’t sell in January, Man Utd never will, Spurs have Kane & Alli in demand and even though they never win anything they still keep their best players, arsenal who are clinging on to Ozil and Sanchez won’t sell till the summer either. Basically we are the only sell outs in the top 6 and it is not what a top club does.
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      Reply #15575: Jan 07, 2018 04:12:41 pm
      It’s time to accept reality buddy

      We are a mistable/Europa team

      We don’t dare to be great anymore and we don’t have a winning mentality and this proved it
      It’s heatbreaking but it’s true

      Actions speak louder than words and no bigger action has been spoken than what happened

      We have lost our best cm and am. A world class player is going and we are either not going to use his money to buy 2-3 world class players or we will buy someone like Mahrez and bank th rest

      We were so close to getting back to the top but have taken a giant leap backwards

      You don’t sel your best players if you want to be the best

      I have no trust in the boss to bring in world class cm players and keeper because he rather sell our best play at and coach the rest 

      Apparently, according to one member your me in disguise. However, I'm not a Liverpool WUM so that most definitely rules me out. You'd look really good on redcafe as so much negativity in many of your post United fans will love you ( me being the exception)

      What I can't work out is how you keep blaming Klopp for being involved in losing Countino. If it was his choice he would of stayed. How can anyone ( including the owners ) keep a player that doesn't want to play for your club? Countino has made it very clear for a while now he wanted to leave. It may of been two steps backwards and one forward with the purchase of VVD but atleast it improves your defence which was very much needed.

      Klopp is most definitely the right man taking you forward. Getting the funds to do this maybe another matter. In the last 15/16 games Liverpool have been very impressive ( I'm sad to say ) and just can't work out why you have no confidence in him.

      I think a name change in your case is warranted as you certainly don't keep the faith.
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      Reply #15576: Jan 07, 2018 05:01:18 pm
      Who gives a sh*t he wants to leave

      He is contracted ok? Klopp sanctioned the sale and everyone knows it

      What do you think would happen if hazard or Degea wanted to leave in Jan which could have a major impact on where the team finishes? They put their foot down and say no

      We have gone backwards big time and need to stop selling our best players

      How klopp can justify selling pip and not garbage like our keeper or Lovren is beyond me

      Another season of failure, I forgotten the last time we won a Trophy as it’s been that long

      It’s tome supporters here stop accepting being dicked up the ass

      Make it known by whatever means that selling our best players is not on
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      Reply #15577: Jan 07, 2018 05:30:27 pm

      The inside story of Philippe Coutinho's Barcelona transfer, why Jürgen Klopp wasn't desperate to keep him and where Liverpool go from here

      The Brazilian has finally got his dream move leaving behind a club and a manager under more pressure than ever to deliver

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      It’s happening again. No doubt there will be revelations over the next few days that disrobe the mask: exposing Philippe Coutinho’s truer self, making you think, ‘Glad he’s gone – better off without him.’ It is indeed accurate to say he is not the angel Liverpool perhaps more than any other organisation preferred to paint him as when signing fresh contracts over the years, because this a more serious character than the warm smiling child of Rio de Janeiro.

      It seems significant that while last summer Fenway Sports Group issued denials in relation to the prospect of Coutinho being sold to Barcelona, it was left to Jürgen Klopp to explain why it had eventually happened. And the key line from Klopp’s statement on Liverpool’s official website last night was this: “Philippe was insistent with me, the owners and even his teammates this was a move he was desperate to make happen.” The key word: “teammates.”

      Liverpool’s players were getting ready for training last August at Melwood when Coutinho entered the changing room with an expression attached to his face, one that meant maybe he did not need to explain his intention to leave – though he did anyway in front of an entire squad. Only he knows whether the decision was made out of confidence or desperation but it ended up backfiring because it contributed towards Liverpool reinforcing their position.

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      Coutinho finally got his move after months of uncertainty (Getty)
      The club had rejected each of Barcelona’s bids at the time. If this player got his way, others would know what to do when they wanted to go. Disrupt and meet your desires. Fenway by then had already publically stated he would not be released. To relent would be to encourage protests at their ownership, as Jamie Carragher pointed out. Maybe Fenway’s credibility would have been lost forever.


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      Why Liverpool had no choice but to sell Coutinho to Barcelona
      As The Independent revealed in September, Coutinho had been complaining of back pain and when a scan revealed nothing was wrong with him, it was decided then it was better to play along with the façade - publically at least - in an attempt to try and limit the attention around his behaviour and allow Liverpool’s season to begin with less disruption than there would have been otherwise.

      Coutinho had placed Klopp in an uncomfortable position nevertheless, someone who positions harmony and trust between staff above ability and status. Football clubs are working environments like anywhere else in the sense that when someone doesn’t want to be there and lets it be known, chipping away, mood spreads quickly and productivity levels decrease. Others – friends – can also become unsettled.

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      Nike announced Coutinho as a Barcelona player earlier this week (Getty)
      Privately, Klopp was not against selling and moving on. It is a process he is not scared of, having seen Nuri Sahin join Real Madrid when he was Borussia Dortmund’s manager, before Mario Götze and Robert Lewandowski went to Bayern Munich with his blessing. He genuinely believes there are always solutions to be found – that players can always be replaced, if a manager is patient and he has the confidence of those above him, facilitating the necessary time to see his measures through. He can be absolutely certain of that at Liverpool.

      Coutinho’s departure, though, brings enormous pressure on him: from Liverpool supporters, from rival supporters, from the traditional media, from social media. He will remember that while he traded Sahin for Ilkay Gündoğan at Dortmund, that while Henrikh Mkhitaryan later came in for Götze successfully, Ciro Immobile failed when Lewandowski ran down his contract and within twelve months, Klopp was no longer Dortmund’s manager.

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      Klopp is now left with a significant problem to solve (Getty)
      Perhaps, indeed, no sport as much as football makes unhealthy comparisons, detailing similarities as absolutes: drawing on stories set in one place and transposing them somewhere different because the environments are comparable.

      Klopp should be aware by now that expectations at Liverpool are unique. Which other club in world football has dominated its domestic and continental scene before waiting 28 years for a league title? At Dortmund, the club had fallen far in a short space of time economically but it had won the Bundesliga six years before Klopp’s arrival. By the time Sahin went in 2011, Dortmund had already become champions again and so, the wider trust in him was total. At Liverpool, he is more than two years in and despite the clear progression made under his guidance, he has not won anything yet and Coutinho’s exit decreases the chances of that changing this season.

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      Klopp has been forced to deal with key players leaving before (Bongarts)
      There might be a temptation to believe the deal smashes the perception that Klopp is a manager all players really want to work for but in reality, that was never the case: look at what happened at Dortmund. But for a few, the modern player is always willing to move, to try something new somewhere else. From Coutinho’s point of view, four years at a major club with no medals to show for it alone is a fair reason for looking elsewhere.

      And so, it is how Klopp replaces the Brazilian and how quickly he operates that has the potential to determine whether Liverpool’s development under him continues. It has the potential to define his entire era in charge at Anfield.


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      Premier League transfer round-up 6th January: Coutinho moves to Barca
      It can be dangerous to look backwards for answers and reminders for the way things should really be but when Liverpool were the greatest club side in Europe, its success had been borne out of the ability to buy and sell effectively. Though this process has become harder because there are fewer secrets, the theory remains relevant. It has always been the length of time clubs keep good players for that defines what happens on the field.

      Ian Rush became Liverpool’s greatest goalscorer but in 1983, he wanted to leave for Napoli when a £5million offer was made. It was reported then that Rush would improve his salary by six times but Bob Paisley and John Smith, the chairman, said, “No”. Rush didn’t speak to Smith for three months but scored 49 goals that season. He would eventually depart for Juventus four years later, but only when Liverpool were ready to let him go. Ultimately, this is a position Liverpool will need to return to if they wish to enjoy sustained success, never mind pockets of success: a position where they shape the market rather than react to it.

      http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/philippe-coutinho-liverpool-transfer-news-barcelona-Jürgen-klopp-plans-january-transfer-window-a8146376.html

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      Good article, I can see what Klopp wants to do.
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      Reply #15578: Jan 07, 2018 06:09:27 pm
      You'll have us in the Europa league at best. Klopp knew full well that Coutinho was going. Said in his statement " you can't sell the heart and soul of LFC"....we are not a basket case...just paid out the biggest fee ever for a defender..more to come...you've clearly chucked the towel in.

      Don't waste time Harris, this dude will be gone before we know it. We hope so anyway.
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      Reply #15579: Jan 07, 2018 07:32:12 pm
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      I don’t know whether some fans just choose not to accept that FSG have made us midtable or just cannot accept it.

      We're a long way from mid table. Those days are gone. FSG want us to finish in the Top 4, and we will finish there this season. Bar the unlikely event of Spurs winning the European Cup, that will do for this year.

      Some of the hysteria is incredible. We've had this situation before, and we've moved on. It's not like 2009 when Keane was kicked out the door at the last minute with no options to sign a replacement, then go on to lose the league and not try to win it again for 5 years.

      We tried everything within our power to prevent this transfer. There will be replacements, there will be improvements, we've just kicked the small club out of the cup, and our record signing scored the winner on his debut. We're comfortably in the top 4, 17 games unbeaten, have a huge game next week, and some great European nights coming up. We're heading in the right direction. If anyone doesn't want to be on the train, that's their problem.
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      Reply #15580: Jan 07, 2018 09:22:01 pm
      Complete and utter faith in the manager

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      Reply #15581: Jan 07, 2018 09:37:18 pm
      Why did not sell him in last summer and brought in vvd and other top forward and keita in as well we better off
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      Reply #15582: Jan 07, 2018 09:37:51 pm
      What was point just keep him here for six months
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      Reply #15583: Jan 07, 2018 09:39:35 pm
      We good class player in vvd still think we weak in that we don't have playmaker like Phil score goals from freekicks kill pass as well we need find other player like that
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      Reply #15584: Jan 07, 2018 09:42:39 pm
      Complete and utter faith in the manager

      👍

      You're as bad as the loons who want him fired.
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      Reply #15585: Jan 07, 2018 09:47:46 pm
      You're as bad as the loons who want him fired.

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      Reply #15586: Jan 07, 2018 10:15:57 pm
      Every single result that doesn’t go our way will be blamed for losing countinho and the team will suffer

      Maybe check out our stats without him.
      But yea, you're right, we'll still have some F***ing lemons who will do that.
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      Reply #15587: Jan 07, 2018 10:21:12 pm
      I have no trust in the boss to bring in world class cm players and keeper because he rather sell our best play at and coach the rest 

      No really, change your name.
      Imho the manager has done his best, can't fault how he handled it. He didn't want Cou to leave, nobody did - but the writing WAS on the wall.
      Jürgen is improving the quality of the squad. They'll be bumps on the way, but it's happening. The longer he is here, the more confident I am in him tbh.
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      Reply #15588: Jan 07, 2018 10:34:58 pm
      It’s time to accept reality buddy

      We are a mistable/Europa team

      We don’t dare to be great anymore and we don’t have a winning mentality and this proved it
      It’s heatbreaking but it’s true

      Actions speak louder than words and no bigger action has been spoken than what happened

      We have lost our best cm and am. A world class player is going and we are either not going to use his money to buy 2-3 world class players or we will buy someone like Mahrez and bank th rest

      We were so close to getting back to the top but have taken a giant leap backwards

      You don’t sel your best players if you want to be the best

      I have no trust in the boss to bring in world class cm players and keeper because he rather sell our best play at and coach the rest 

      Ok, if the quality players want to go,  how do we keep them?,  more wages?.  Couts paid 11.5 mil of his own money to leave, from what I've read, so he wanted to go, how would you stop that?.  Lets see where we carry on from here, and judge him at the end
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      Reply #15589: Jan 07, 2018 10:37:43 pm
      World class crayon munching, glue drinking trolling going on here today........

      Fill yer boots.
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      Reply #15590: Jan 07, 2018 10:38:05 pm
      It’s time to accept reality buddy

      We are a mistable/Europa team

      We don’t dare to be great anymore and we don’t have a winning mentality and this proved it
      It’s heatbreaking but it’s true

      Actions speak louder than words and no bigger action has been spoken than what happened

      We have lost our best cm and am. A world class player is going and we are either not going to use his money to buy 2-3 world class players or we will buy someone like Mahrez and bank th rest

      We were so close to getting back to the top but have taken a giant leap backwards

      You don’t sel your best players if you want to be the best

      I have no trust in the boss to bring in world class cm players and keeper because he rather sell our best play at and coach the rest

      You do realise that Coutinho is not bigger than Liverpool Football Club, right? I'm hardly ecstatic about the timing but you are taking it to a whole new level. Would you not consider Van Dijk world class? After all, both City and Chelsea wanted him. What about Lemar? He has made his desire to join us abundantly clear, would you not consider him world class? After all, Arsenal want him. Keita? I suppose he's just Joe average? I'm hardly what you'd call Klopp's biggest fan but his ability to draw top class talent to this club is undeniable as it is demonstrable.
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      Reply #15591: Jan 07, 2018 11:04:25 pm
      You do realise that Coutinho is not bigger than Liverpool Football Club, right? I'm hardly ecstatic about the timing but you are taking it to a whole new level. Would you not consider Van Dijk world class? After all, both City and Chelsea wanted him. What about Lemar? He has made his desire to join us abundantly clear, would you not consider him world class? After all, Arsenal want him. Keita? I suppose he's just Joe average? I'm hardly what you'd call Klopp's biggest fan but his ability to draw top class talent to this club is undeniable as it is demonstrable.

      Same here Bro', so lets see what happens now.  We need a midfielder to hold the line and f**k can off, at least we made a bit of wedge from couthino.  We've payed his  wages, and allowed him to learn his craft, yet he will not give us anthing back.  Mac and owen bring back those sh*t memories. The only pricks that make money from this are the parasites
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      Reply #15592: Jan 07, 2018 11:45:20 pm
      Glad we world class manger in klopp lf klopp not here Christ we be mid table for next few years on less we got owners spent money on big top players
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      Reply #15593: Jan 07, 2018 11:54:28 pm
      We are not getting a keeper or improving our midfield

      We are a selling club, klopp sanctioned the sale and now we have lost potentially 40-50m in cl revenue just to get a premium now

      Such small time for us, people can try to paint this in whatever fake positive way they want

      You don’t sell your top players in January unless you are a selling club

      The only way the owners and manager can redeem themselves is to spend big on a keeper ASAP and a cm of quality

      I want us to be a top team competing in the cl, the actions of the club from owners and managers clearly feel different

      A sloppy statement won’t change that, it will trick a few but at least it brought dreamers like me to reality

      We are a Europa team, we are not a big club

      Think this, and your monicker are the height of irony !
      It’s clear you don’t have any first hand evidence to back up your declaration. Just sheer guess work and slander 😳

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