Mario Götze (Bayern Munich)

I think Jürgen probably realised what he was once he started having discussions with Spurs mate. It's one thing turning us down to fight for his place at Bayern, but once he showed interest in joining Spurs I think Jürgen made his mind up to move on.

Pity really because I think like Sanchez he would have been of much greater benefit to us than the club he's probably going to. 

We might possibly find out but I'd be confident he'll have nowhere near the impact Sanchez had, that is a player I think would have been and still would be fantastic for us.

We might possibly find out but I'd be confident he'll have nowhere near the impact Sanchez had, that is a player I think would have been and still would be fantastic for us.

Yeah I think Sanchez would have been great for us. I'm hoping Mane will prove as good.

Little "Shot in the dark here" on my part trying to understand why if he wanted to resurrect his failing career he would not go back to the manager that made him.

You guys think that perhaps the "Love" only goes one way? Pretty well documented what Jürgen thinks of Mario but perhaps Mario know's what Jürgen is all about and understands the demands that he puts on his players and Mario feeling that he is a star already thinks its a bit below him?

He just doesn't seem to be to fussed in regaining his status in football and appears to me to be on cruise mode in his career.

Little "Shot in the dark here" on my part trying to understand why if he wanted to resurrect his failing career he would not go back to the manager that made him.

You guys think that perhaps the "Love" only goes one way? Pretty well documented what Jürgen thinks of Mario but perhaps Mario know's what Jürgen is all about and understands the demands that he puts on his players and Mario feeling that he is a star already thinks its a bit below him?

He just doesn't seem to be to fussed in regaining his status in football and appears to me to be on cruise mode in his career.

TBH none of Jürgen's former players seem to be falling over themselves to sign for him again...maybe they don't like hard work ?

TBH none of Jürgen's former players seem to be falling over themselves to sign for him again...maybe they don't like hard work ?

Or maybe they've worked so hard they feel like they are entitled to Champions League football?

Or maybe they've worked so hard they feel like they are entitled to Champions League football?

Maybe they just don't like Jürgen 

TBH none of Jürgen's former players seem to be falling over themselves to sign for him again...maybe they don't like hard work ?

Or maybe they've worked so hard they feel like they are entitled to Champions League football?

Yup, exactly what I am thinking on both counts; though to be fair Mario has not been pushed to his physical limit sitting on the bench.

Could be we just have issues with people named "Mario"

I must confess that based on the Euros (I know it's not the best way to judge) I think we've dodged a bullet.

I think you may be right Mick, good enough to make the bench for both club & country but not first name on the teamsheet,

He thinks we're below him probably because we're not playing CL footy, Spuds can offer both that and a starting berth,

So F**k him, AZ is right he thinks he's better than he is and very much above his station.


YNWA

I think you may be right Mick, good enough to make the bench for both club & country but not first name on the teamsheet,

He thinks we're below him probably because we're not playing CL footy, Spuds can offer both that and a starting berth,

So F**k him, AZ is right he thinks he's better than he is and very much above his station.


YNWA

He plays for Bayern and Germany They're hardly Sweden and Stoke City. Sane doesn't start for Germany, bet people would love him here though. Opinions have changed on Gotze because he rejected us. He doesn't become sh*t overnight just for that reason.

In the past 3 seasons he played in 129 games, he started in 84 of them (65.1%). Last season was an injury riddled one for him and only started in 14 of 31 games (45.2%) but in the 2 seasons before it he played in 98 games and started in 70 (71.4%). For a team with the options that Bayern possess and the formation they tend to use I'd say they're really good numbers.

In today's game players want to be in the top competitions, Champions League is one of them so it can hardly be a surprise that Gotze doesn't want to join a team that has continuously struggled to break the top 4 for a number of years (except one) and has also struggled when it comes to winning trophies. Spurs haven't won anything either I know but they're in the Champions League, that competition means a lot to us so why would it not mean a lot to the players to be in it? People need to stop thinking that every player in the world shares the same emotion for Liverpool as us fans do.

Or maybe they've worked so hard they feel like they are entitled to Champions League football?

If true, I can understand why Jürgen has stopped chasing him. These are the last players we need. Not even for free.

If true, I can understand why Jürgen has stopped chasing him. These are the last players we need. Not even for free.

Exactly right and that's what Jürgen said before the season even ended.  He won't sign arseholes just because they're good at football or words to that effect 

He just doesn't seem to be to fussed in regaining his status in football and appears to me to be on cruise mode in his career.

Or maybe he sees Champions League football as a better means to regaining that status. After all, if you read many, many posts on here, the excuse - "it's impossible to attract players without Champions League football..." is, quite often, the prefered excuse of the masses.

Now that [excuse] is, of course, a load of F***ing, greasy, bollocks but if one has used it in the past; why not again; eh? 

"it's impossible to attract players without Champions League football..."

Unless you do what the Mancs do and throw a ridiculous amount of money at a player.

I don't buy into the Champions League excuse anymore, far too many players are only in the game now for the money and don't care what level they are playing at so long as they are getting a load of money. Just look at the amount of players going to the Chinese League now, Russia over the years too.
Of course this will be the case for some players though but I don't buy it for a second when that player who is essentially using that as a reason can barely ever get in the team throughout the season.

I don't buy into the Champions League excuse anymore

Nor me... that's why I said the excuse "is, of course, a load of F***ing, greasy, bollocks".   

Nor me... that's why I said the excuse "is, of course, a load of f**king, greasy, bollocks".   

I know, I was agreeing with you 

I know, I was agreeing with you 

I know and I was agreeing with you. Your turn... 

Unless you do what the Mancs do and throw a ridiculous amount of money at a player.

I don't buy into the Champions League excuse anymore, far too many players are only in the game now for the money and don't care what level they are playing at so long as they are getting a load of money. Just look at the amount of players going to the Chinese League now, Russia over the years too.
Of course this will be the case for some players though but I don't buy it for a second when that player who is essentially using that as a reason can barely ever get in the team throughout the season.

100% right
so Gotse said he wants CL footy... tell him to join Valletta fc (malta) they are in the CL prel.round vs red star Belgrade ...he will be paid a max of 4/5k per month, and see if he accepts.....
the mancs are not in the CL ,yet the players they signed or maybe will sign, all said they want CL.
 CL yes ..But not champions league     CL= Cash Lovers

YNWA

I know and I was agreeing with you. Your turn... 

Ha this could go on for a long time. I think we should leave it at we agree with each other and see if anyone else agrees

Ha this could go on for a long time. I think we should leave it at we agree with each other and see if anyone else agrees

Can you guys just draw a line under it...agree to agree and just move on please

Ha this could go on for a long time. I think we should leave it at we agree with each other and see if anyone else agrees

It was a none starter from day 1 mate.

Can you guys just draw a line under it...agree to agree and just move on please

I didn't know there was anything to draw a line under...why is this weird?! It's been like an awkward first date

Honestly from the first time we were linked with him I felt it was never going to happen. This thread should be locked now don't you think

Honestly from the first time we were linked with him I felt it was never going to happen. This thread should be locked now don't you think

What is it with people wanting to lock threads? Does it really bother people that threads remain open?