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      Joel Matip Player Thread

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      Reply #675: Jan 06, 2021 12:30:07 pm
      Needsba change of role at the club. Well documented that he has his injury problems but if we can give him a role of playing 1 every 2 or 3 games he will be a very valuable asset to have.

      For that we would need to buy a defender for the short and long term who is competing to play week in week out with Virgin and Joe.

      They will all get games make no mistake. Sh*t happens and injuries occur and if you are the third and fourth defender there's every chance you can play 20 games a season.

      His role at the moment has exposed him to injuries.
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      Reply #676: Jan 06, 2021 12:40:40 pm
      Needsba change of role at the club. Well documented that he has his injury problems but if we can give him a role of playing 1 every 2 or 3 games he will be a very valuable asset to have.

      For that we would need to buy a defender for the short and long term who is competing to play week in week out with Virgin and Joe.

      They will all get games make no mistake. Sh*t happens and injuries occur and if you are the third and fourth defender there's every chance you can play 20 games a season.

      His role at the moment has exposed him to injuries.

      Id have a very different approach to be honest.

      Come the summer Joel, Shaq and Naby would be saying goodbye. 3 good players and 3 I like. But the injury record of all 3 is shocking. None if any are serioys injuries, all muscle..How many times have you heard Matip felt a twinge or felt a pain after a knock?? Its a contact sport youll get a knock and you will feel pains. Does not mean its serious and doesnt mean you miss 3 games over it, come back play a game feel sore and go again for 3 games.

      Id wager at least 2 of his recent spells out someone like a Carragher or a Tommy Smith play through feel a bit of pain but know they have a game in them..Not sure Joel has a strong head on him, think hes gone at the first sign of a pain
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      Reply #677: Jan 06, 2021 01:52:29 pm
      Id have a very different approach to be honest.

      Come the summer Joel, Shaq and Naby would be saying goodbye. 3 good players and 3 I like. But the injury record of all 3 is shocking. None if any are serioys injuries, all muscle..How many times have you heard Matip felt a twinge or felt a pain after a knock?? Its a contact sport youll get a knock and you will feel pains. Does not mean its serious and doesnt mean you miss 3 games over it, come back play a game feel sore and go again for 3 games.

      Id wager at least 2 of his recent spells out someone like a Carragher or a Tommy Smith play through feel a bit of pain but know they have a game in them..Not sure Joel has a strong head on him, think hes gone at the first sign of a pain

      I'd keep Keita for another season and sell Ox instead.
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      Reply #678: Jan 06, 2021 02:04:50 pm
      I'd keep Keita for another season and sell Ox instead.

      Id sell Ox, Keita, Shaq and Matip, its insane to have so many injury prone players in the squad.
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      Reply #679: Jan 06, 2021 02:35:19 pm
      Id sell Ox, Keita, Shaq and Matip, its insane to have so many injury prone players in the squad.

      to be fair to Ox, his injuries have been serious, I wouldnt call him injury prone. The other 3 are always injured. Broken finger nail would rule them boys out for 3 games
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      Reply #680: Jan 06, 2021 04:47:27 pm
      Id sell Ox, Keita, Shaq and Matip, its insane to have so many injury prone players in the squad.

      Use them for a trade-like deal. Just as an (theoretic) example: Keita + Matip for Alaba in January.
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      Reply #681: Jan 06, 2021 05:25:30 pm
      He will be back for Utd game
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      Reply #682: Jan 07, 2021 03:48:00 pm
      great newss, Hendo in defence doesnt work well I feel
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      Reply #683: Jan 07, 2021 04:05:07 pm

      Great news indeed, but CB actually has been the least of our problems lately. Trent has been shambolic defensively and our offense, particularly Salah, have had their head stuck up their ass.
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      Reply #684: Jan 07, 2021 07:15:01 pm
      Great news indeed, but CB actually has been the least of our problems lately. Trent has been shambolic defensively and our offense, particularly Salah, have had their head stuck up their ass.

      True enough but would feel better if Matip at back
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      Reply #685: Jan 07, 2021 08:19:41 pm

      Echo has Klopp saying "He is in a good way but if it will be United or a few days later, I don’t know."

      Would be great to have him back.

      As for Trent, I was moaning about him against Southampton, and he was poor, but he is being asked to sit back (or at least he is sitting back) to cover our right CB. It's not his strength, and it is also affecting our whole attack down the right side, including Mo. Getting Matip back in would let Trent go forward again and really help our attack as well as defence.
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      Reply #686: Jan 08, 2021 04:50:02 am
      Echo has Klopp saying "He is in a good way but if it will be United or a few days later, I don’t know."

      Would be great to have him back.

      As for Trent, I was moaning about him against Southampton, and he was poor, but he is being asked to sit back (or at least he is sitting back) to cover our right CB. It's not his strength, and it is also affecting our whole attack down the right side, including Mo. Getting Matip back in would let Trent go forward again and really help our attack as well as defence.

      Totally agreed mate re TAA and Mo. Someone keep saying the makeshifts and non-experience young CBs not affect us that much as we not concede many goals, but the problem is up front as we scores very few recently. I'm very surprised, really as anyone surely can see how Klopp's team play. 
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      Reply #687: Jan 08, 2021 08:15:19 pm
      Totally agreed mate re TAA and Mo. Someone keep saying the makeshifts and non-experience young CBs not affect us that much as we not concede many goals, but the problem is up front as we scores very few recently. I'm very surprised, really as anyone surely can see how Klopp's team play.
      Quite true, hendo was actually more than decent at centre back, so has Fabinho
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      Reply #688: Jan 09, 2021 09:43:06 am
      Do we reckon if he’s fit in time for the United game, he starts? I feel in usual circumstances Klopp wouldn’t risk him but given the lack of options and the opposition, I reckon he starts.
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      Reply #689: Jan 09, 2021 10:58:24 am
      Do we reckon if he’s fit in time for the United game, he starts? I feel in usual circumstances Klopp wouldn’t risk him but given the lack of options and the opposition, I reckon he starts.

      Has to IMO there forwards will have a field day even with him and Fab I am worried due to the lack of pace
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      Reply #690: Jan 14, 2021 10:28:46 am
      Any updates? Think if hes not doing full training today forget about him
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      Reply #691: Jan 14, 2021 01:21:46 pm
      Any updates? Think if hes not doing full training today forget about him

      but then the question is who to play in CB and midfield, I think I'd be tempted to go with Hendo and Fabinho and then have a more attacking midfield of Thiago, Shaq and Gini, that could actually work quite nicely allowing Hendo and Fabinho to combine CB with DM work, plus would give us a hell of a counter punch, even if Utd sit deep.
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      Reply #692: Jan 14, 2021 02:19:18 pm
      but then the question is who to play in CB and midfield, I think I'd be tempted to go with Hendo and Fabinho and then have a more attacking midfield of Thiago, Shaq and Gini, that could actually work quite nicely allowing Hendo and Fabinho to combine CB with DM work, plus would give us a hell of a counter punch, even if Utd sit deep.

      Seems a straight forward shout beteeen Rhys Nat andcHendi

      Seems most have written Rhys off for being outpaced by a 17 year old who for all i know could make a 17 year old Michael Owen look slow
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      Reply #693: Jan 14, 2021 05:05:23 pm
      Seems a straight forward shout beteeen Rhys Nat andcHendi

      Seems most have written Rhys off for being outpaced by a 17 year old who for all i know could make a 17 year old Michael Owen look slow

      It's not the first time he's been done for pace. To be fair to the lad he's young and green, with a bit more match experience better positioning will make up for lack of pace.
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      Reply #694: Jan 15, 2021 08:39:01 am
      It's not the first time he's been done for pace. To be fair to the lad he's young and green, with a bit more match experience better positioning will make up for lack of pace.

      Yes, but Rhys really is shockingly slow, did no one notice his lack of pace as he was progressing through the ranks? Surely for our system one fundamental quality for any CB is pace.
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      Reply #695: Jan 15, 2021 07:25:58 pm
      Back in training apparently.

      Worth the risk of he's fit?
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      Reply #696: Jan 15, 2021 07:59:58 pm
      Any updates? Think if hes not doing full training today forget about him

      Full team training on Friday. I reckon if he makes it through lighter training on Saturday he starts the game.

      I said before to be mindful of the risk of rushing him back, but even if he can't play over the next two weeks following this one, Jürgen may decide it is worth it to have him i the lineup (and allow Henderson to lead the press in midfield).
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      Reply #697: Jan 15, 2021 09:55:03 pm
      Full team training on Friday. I reckon if he makes it through lighter training on Saturday he starts the game.

      I said before to be mindful of the risk of rushing him back, but even if he can't play over the next two weeks following this one, Jürgen may decide it is worth it to have him i the lineup (and allow Henderson to lead the press in midfield).

      Play him Sunday and against them again next week play Phillips midweek perfect game for him
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      Reply #698: Jan 15, 2021 11:29:19 pm
      Play him Sunday and against them again next week play Phillips midweek perfect game for him

      Yeah, Burnley lumping high balls into the box. That's where Phillips is strongest.
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      Reply #699: Jan 16, 2021 12:22:28 am
      Yeah, Burnley lumping high balls into the box. That's where Phillips is strongest.

      Not going to play him 3 games in  a week that's for sure so would go with that

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