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      Reply #240: Apr 27, 2016 08:26:28 pm
      Signed with the greatest of pleasure.

      Well done, I hope many more will follow. Come on people, let's do it, they so deserve it!

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      Reply #241: Apr 27, 2016 08:26:33 pm
      Signed with the greatest of pleasure.

      Keep it. Least we know where the lowest of the low in journalism is while it's open. It would only come back as something else if it got shut down. Saying that, it would be a great turn of events if we got it shut it down after all it has done.
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      Reply #242: Apr 27, 2016 08:40:49 pm
      Keep it. Least we know where the lowest of the low in journalism is while it's open. It would only come back as something else if it got shut down. Saying that, it would be a great turn of events if we got it shut it down after all it has done.

      If the NOW can get shut down for phone hacking, the Sun should definitely be shut down for defaming 96 supporters who died attending a football match, blaming their fellow supporters for causing it, defaming a whole city and causing supporters who were traumatised to commit suicide, because they believed they could be responsible. Not to mention their complete indifference for the feelings of those families who had lost loved ones.
      Sign the petition.

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      Reply #243: Apr 27, 2016 08:44:33 pm
      If the NOW can get shut down for phone hacking, the Sun should definitely be shut down for defaming 96 supporters who died attending a football match, blaming their fellow supporters for causing it, defaming a whole city and causing supporters who were traumatised to commit suicide, because they believed they could be responsible. Not to mention their complete indifference for the feelings of those families who had lost loved ones.
      Sign the petition.



      We should just keep on not buying that filth ridden rag and in fact all papers under the Murdoch brand inc the Times shameful they did not even recognise the Hillsborough decision.

      Personally I don't even subscribe to Sky.

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      Reply #244: Apr 27, 2016 08:46:21 pm
      There is a petition on change.org to get the Sun closed down. Nothing could give me greater pleasure, than to see that rag, closed down for good. Now that is something positive we can do for mankind!

      Signed it as well. I don't really sign petitions like this but this is an exception. This isn't the sort of gutter, laughable sort of journalism that is so easy to make satire out of (see the Daily Mail and others) but journalism from a paper that has descended to levels of criminal offence time and time again.
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      Reply #245: Apr 27, 2016 08:48:36 pm
      What is the helicopter incident now at vigil? Did it fly while saying the 96 names?

      I'm assuming it was the one that was being used to show us the aerial TV pictures - so I'm glad it was there!
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      Reply #246: Apr 27, 2016 08:56:38 pm
      We should just keep on not buying that filth ridden rag and in fact all papers under the Murdoch brand inc the Times shameful they did not even recognise the Hillsborough decision.

      Personally I don't even subscribe to Sky.

      I don't have Sky - don't pay them for it - don't even use their broadband.  I have had Sky in the past.  Always felt a little uncomfortable when I did used to have it, but lets face it, now there are plenty of ways to watch football...

      Got no major problem with people who do.

      Likewise with The Times.  Used to get it on occassion because their footy coverage is good - but after yesterday's 'first edition' I doubt I will be rushing out to get it again.

      I think those two front pages of The Times and The S*n reminded us clearly that they are both part of the same stable - singing the same tune.

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      Reply #247: Apr 27, 2016 08:59:15 pm
      We should just keep on not buying that filth ridden rag and in fact all papers under the Murdoch brand inc the Times shameful they did not even recognise the Hillsborough decision.

      Personally I don't even subscribe to Sky.



      I too am disgusted by the Times, but the Sun is a totally different ball game. I was on holiday in Portugal about 10 years ago, we met another couple from Liverpool who were staying in our hotel, we got chatting to them and discovered they were LFC supporters. We happened to sit at the next table to them at a bar the next day. He was reading The Sun. I asked him why he would have any truck with that rag, he replied that if I was referring to Hillsborough, it was a long time ago. He was a season ticket holder and I wanted to take his head off. My DH begged me to calm down and leave it. I did, but as he was leaving he asked would we like the paper to read. I replied that I wouldn't wipe ,my **se with it and it belonged in the rubbish bin. He left the paper on the table, my hubby who is a Blue, promptly put it in the nearest bin.
      They contributed massively to the negative reputation this City has, I will never forgive them and the sooner they and their ilk are consigned to history the better.

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      Reply #250: Apr 27, 2016 09:53:41 pm
      This is what pisses me off. Even in light of a formal, public and judicial review that is fully backed by the legal sphere such vile individuals still exist. Here in Scotland we have a vile pro independence blogger called Wings Over Scotland and he was, as the jury was delivering it's verdicts, continuing to spread and back the establishment lies and comments he had made 4 years ago. And the worst thing is this c**t gets retweeted by SNP politicians week in week out.

      http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/wings-over-scotland-blogger-slammed-7845782#YiEZyoJQ6ZRbrF1y.97


      it genuinely saddens me that there are people who are so fu**ed up they think its clever to post stuff like this.
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      Reply #251: Apr 28, 2016 12:40:13 am
      it genuinely saddens me that there are people who are so fu**ed up they think its clever to post stuff like this.

      They are everywhere mate. Attention seeking trouble causers. The best way is to pretend they dont exist and pay them no attention, they dont like that.
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      Reply #252: Apr 28, 2016 01:46:26 am
      Hi to all you Scousers from a Dagenham and Redbridge fan - very much in peace.

      Although the outcomes of the inquests have been likely known for some time, especially as revelations have slipped out into the public domain over time with 'inconsistencies' in the police's stories. Following Tuesday's announcement, I thought it is now about the right time for me to find you to say this:

      I'm here to apologise. Please understand - I come from the other end of the country. I wasn't anywhere near Sheffield on the day this happened - I saw what happened coming in on Grandstand that Saturday afternoon.... So what am I sorry for, exactly - this was nothing at all to do with me at all, was it? I was 26 years old that spring day. My then girlfriend was heavily pregnant and I would soon become a dad. I think we'd been out around the shops buying things for the baby....

      Quite simply I am so very, very sorry for doing something my mum taught me as a child; namely to quietly trust and accept the police's story about what had happened. I regret to admit that for perhaps 15 years to two decades or so until the whole thing was reviewed and then revelations started leaching out, I had, without putting much thought into it, basically unquestionningly accepted what the media had published and broadcast about what had happened that day in Sheffield on the part of the police.

      As things have leached out though, I have felt more and more uncomfortable with myself for simply following the rules laid down to me in my own upbringing - to not question the statements or motives of the police....

      The more that has come out though the more uncomfortable I have felt in myself for simply trusting the police. I didn't "jump to conclusions" like others, I just didn't question what was said because as I have said on our own forum here http://www.viewsfromthesieve.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1948 why would any reasonable, rational adult want to question anything that the police might say They don't lie, do they?

      The way I feel about myself brought about from the lies from the police are insignificant to the losses of the bereft families; but we are all people and all citizens of the same country. I know I cannot be the only person elsewhere in the country who just accepted the police's view on events but the rest of us haven't lost members of our families and it wasn't perhaps as important to us as it was to you.

      What more can or should I say? My mum meant well when she brought me up by instilling that I should always trust a policeman. How should I feel about myself when one of the binding cornerstones of my own values is laid bare like this as just a grubby pack of lies and half-truths. Is this for real?

      So - As for justice for the 96: This won't happen until those men who covered their own arses by abusing the trust of the population at large are brought before the courts, tried and punished for the damage they've caused. Please don't give up and let them get away with a smacked hand or paltry fine. Justice to my mind means a very long period in prison and stripped of all pension rights. The whole thing has just been a total lie to cover their own arses

      Trust a policeman now? My friends, if a policeman were to roll up here and tell me it were raining, I would feel compelled to open the window and stick my hand outseide to see if it were getting wet. But society DOES need the general public to trust the police for rapes, break-ins, lost children, murders, etc, etc, etc. Who do we (and I mean all of us in the country) trust in future?

      That's about it. That's all I wanted to get off my chest here. To apologise for my misplaced unquestioning trust elsewhere and to belatedly offer my heartfelt sympathies to the families of those who lost their lives and to the city and people of Liverpool. You should never have been left to walk and face this alone.

      So very sincerely,

      Paul from Barking - Dagenham & Redbridge

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      Re: Hillsborough inquest - Fans 'unlawfully killed'
      Reply #253: Apr 28, 2016 06:46:34 am
      I'm assuming it was the one that was being used to show us the aerial TV pictures - so I'm glad it was there!

      Seeing it from that point of view, I'm also grateful :/
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      Reply #254: Apr 28, 2016 07:46:45 am
      Call me sceptical but.....

      The chief constable of SYP gets suspended but it turns out he retires in November anyway.

      Suspended on full pay pending (an illness delayed) disciplinary in November then?
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      Reply #255: Apr 28, 2016 08:25:10 am
      Oh, I agree, Andy Burnham was absolutely fantastic today, it was a truly powerful speech. No lover of Tories, but I have to give credit to Theresa May as well, I thought she was very impressive. Credit where credit is due.



      Dodgy Dave also threw in his saucerful, yet they still worship the fuckers who instigated the whole cover up - Thatcher and her cohorts.
      She was and still is a Tory icon.

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      Reply #256: Apr 28, 2016 08:36:42 am
      Call me sceptical but.....

      The chief constable of SYP gets suspended but it turns out he retires in November anyway.

      Suspended on full pay pending (an illness delayed) disciplinary in November then?

      The tw*t should lose all his superannuation payments,he will probably walk away with a big payout.He should be thrown into a full KOP and then suspended (from the KOP ROOf)
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      Reply #257: Apr 28, 2016 09:04:26 am
      You should never have been left to walk and face this alone.

      Thanks for signing up to share your post.
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      Reply #258: Apr 28, 2016 10:19:53 am
      Peter Wright was Chief Constable at the time of the Hillsborough tragedy, he appointed David Duckenfield as match commander and Wright subsequently blamed the supporters for the tragedy.

      The establishment no doubt think it convenient that their mouthpiece died in 2011 and all the lies and corruption was buried with him; the cover up and wrongful allocation of blame continued until the second inquest.

      Why was Wright never brought to account?
      Who shielded him from any investigation?
      Why was he allowed to continue in office after making such outrageous claims?

      The answers to these questions lead to the true culprits of the whitewash conspiracy.
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      Reply #259: Apr 28, 2016 10:22:11 am
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      Reply #260: Apr 28, 2016 10:28:29 am
      Hi to all you Scousers from a Dagenham and Redbridge fan - very much in peace.

      Although the outcomes of the inquests have been likely known for some time, especially as revelations have slipped out into the public domain over time with 'inconsistencies' in the police's stories. Following Tuesday's announcement, I thought it is now about the right time for me to find you to say this:

      I'm here to apologise. Please understand - I come from the other end of the country. I wasn't anywhere near Sheffield on the day this happened - I saw what happened coming in on Grandstand that Saturday afternoon.... So what am I sorry for, exactly - this was nothing at all to do with me at all, was it? I was 26 years old that spring day. My then girlfriend was heavily pregnant and I would soon become a dad. I think we'd been out around the shops buying things for the baby....

      Quite simply I am so very, very sorry for doing something my mum taught me as a child; namely to quietly trust and accept the police's story about what had happened. I regret to admit that for perhaps 15 years to two decades or so until the whole thing was reviewed and then revelations started leaching out, I had, without putting much thought into it, basically unquestionningly accepted what the media had published and broadcast about what had happened that day in Sheffield on the part of the police.

      As things have leached out though, I have felt more and more uncomfortable with myself for simply following the rules laid down to me in my own upbringing - to not question the statements or motives of the police....

      The more that has come out though the more uncomfortable I have felt in myself for simply trusting the police. I didn't "jump to conclusions" like others, I just didn't question what was said because as I have said on our own forum here http://www.viewsfromthesieve.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1948 why would any reasonable, rational adult want to question anything that the police might say They don't lie, do they?

      The way I feel about myself brought about from the lies from the police are insignificant to the losses of the bereft families; but we are all people and all citizens of the same country. I know I cannot be the only person elsewhere in the country who just accepted the police's view on events but the rest of us haven't lost members of our families and it wasn't perhaps as important to us as it was to you.

      What more can or should I say? My mum meant well when she brought me up by instilling that I should always trust a policeman. How should I feel about myself when one of the binding cornerstones of my own values is laid bare like this as just a grubby pack of lies and half-truths. Is this for real?

      So - As for justice for the 96: This won't happen until those men who covered their own arses by abusing the trust of the population at large are brought before the courts, tried and punished for the damage they've caused. Please don't give up and let them get away with a smacked hand or paltry fine. Justice to my mind means a very long period in prison and stripped of all pension rights. The whole thing has just been a total lie to cover their own arses

      Trust a policeman now? My friends, if a policeman were to roll up here and tell me it were raining, I would feel compelled to open the window and stick my hand outseide to see if it were getting wet. But society DOES need the general public to trust the police for rapes, break-ins, lost children, murders, etc, etc, etc. Who do we (and I mean all of us in the country) trust in future?

      That's about it. That's all I wanted to get off my chest here. To apologise for my misplaced unquestioning trust elsewhere and to belatedly offer my heartfelt sympathies to the families of those who lost their lives and to the city and people of Liverpool. You should never have been left to walk and face this alone.

      So very sincerely,

      Paul from Barking - Dagenham & Redbridge



      Good post, thank you.

      Thing is, there is no way that I want to have to tell my 10 month old and 6 year old sons that you can't trust a Policeman.

      Justice for the 96 and them also being able to now, finally, rest in peace with the true story now proven in a Court of Law along with the families being able to now have some comfort after 27 years of fighting the Government and the Media is not absolutely everything of what this battle has been about. If, God forbid a tragedy like this happened again would the Government, Media and Police Forces, et al try the same tricks again? I very much doubt it but without the fight that the Families and the City put up I'd hazard a guess that it could have.

      "We got away with it once so we will get away with it again" springs to mind.

      I don't blame you for believing what the media said as that's what the media wanted and that's what the media done to a certain extent.

      I live in the hope that I can tell my children that they can trust a Policeman and aswell as bring justice for the dead that is what this fight has done and, to me, is why the likes of Dukenfield and every other single person who contributed to this whole damn mess and it's cover up needs to be brought to justice and punished accordingly.

      Anybody from outside looking in who thought the whole thing was annoying or that Liverpool fans were playing the victims or that it is a self pity city should now actually thank the families as this battle could well have an affect on their and their children's lives and futures for the better. We should all be able to tell our children that they can trust the Police in the knowledge that any wrong doings within a force are in the minority and will be dealt with and the culprits brought to face charges. Laws need to change for that to happen, still, but the calls are getting louder for the changes now as a direct result of the battle these families put up and will still put up.

      And again, thank you for joining up and posting that as it's great to see.

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      Reply #261: Apr 28, 2016 10:37:28 am
      They are everywhere mate. Attention seeking trouble causers. The best way is to pretend they dont exist and pay them no attention, they dont like that.
      Or everyone can keep "trolling him" until there is nobody reasonable left to listen after he blocks them
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      Reply #262: Apr 28, 2016 10:43:42 am
      Fair play to James O'Brien, not a lot of people in his profession are putting their necks on the line and taking on murdoch but he's had a go so well done that man.

      http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/watch-presenter-tears-cornered-rat-11251900
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      Reply #263: Apr 28, 2016 10:47:47 am
      If, God forbid a tragedy like this happened again would the Government, Media and Police Forces, et al try the same tricks again? I very much doubt it but without the fight that the Families and the City put up I'd hazard a guess that it could have.

      I would think it's much harder to cover up the truth these days with the ease of having mobile devices that can instantly capture and post video and pictures for the world to see. People now can make their own widespread media coverage with social networks.
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      Reply #264: Apr 28, 2016 10:48:07 am
      Hi to all you Scousers from a Dagenham and Redbridge fan - very much in peace.

      Although the outcomes of the inquests have been likely known for some time, especially as revelations have slipped out into the public domain over time with 'inconsistencies' in the police's stories. Following Tuesday's announcement, I thought it is now about the right time for me to find you to say this:

      I'm here to apologise. Please understand - I come from the other end of the country. I wasn't anywhere near Sheffield on the day this happened - I saw what happened coming in on Grandstand that Saturday afternoon.... So what am I sorry for, exactly - this was nothing at all to do with me at all, was it? I was 26 years old that spring day. My then girlfriend was heavily pregnant and I would soon become a dad. I think we'd been out around the shops buying things for the baby....

      Quite simply I am so very, very sorry for doing something my mum taught me as a child; namely to quietly trust and accept the police's story about what had happened. I regret to admit that for perhaps 15 years to two decades or so until the whole thing was reviewed and then revelations started leaching out, I had, without putting much thought into it, basically unquestionningly accepted what the media had published and broadcast about what had happened that day in Sheffield on the part of the police.

      As things have leached out though, I have felt more and more uncomfortable with myself for simply following the rules laid down to me in my own upbringing - to not question the statements or motives of the police....

      The more that has come out though the more uncomfortable I have felt in myself for simply trusting the police. I didn't "jump to conclusions" like others, I just didn't question what was said because as I have said on our own forum here http://www.viewsfromthesieve.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1948 why would any reasonable, rational adult want to question anything that the police might say They don't lie, do they?

      The way I feel about myself brought about from the lies from the police are insignificant to the losses of the bereft families; but we are all people and all citizens of the same country. I know I cannot be the only person elsewhere in the country who just accepted the police's view on events but the rest of us haven't lost members of our families and it wasn't perhaps as important to us as it was to you.

      What more can or should I say? My mum meant well when she brought me up by instilling that I should always trust a policeman. How should I feel about myself when one of the binding cornerstones of my own values is laid bare like this as just a grubby pack of lies and half-truths. Is this for real?

      So - As for justice for the 96: This won't happen until those men who covered their own arses by abusing the trust of the population at large are brought before the courts, tried and punished for the damage they've caused. Please don't give up and let them get away with a smacked hand or paltry fine. Justice to my mind means a very long period in prison and stripped of all pension rights. The whole thing has just been a total lie to cover their own arses

      Trust a policeman now? My friends, if a policeman were to roll up here and tell me it were raining, I would feel compelled to open the window and stick my hand outseide to see if it were getting wet. But society DOES need the general public to trust the police for rapes, break-ins, lost children, murders, etc, etc, etc. Who do we (and I mean all of us in the country) trust in future?

      That's about it. That's all I wanted to get off my chest here. To apologise for my misplaced unquestioning trust elsewhere and to belatedly offer my heartfelt sympathies to the families of those who lost their lives and to the city and people of Liverpool. You should never have been left to walk and face this alone.

      So very sincerely,

      Paul from Barking - Dagenham & Redbridge



      Thank you Paul.
      Means a lot for you to post that.
      Everyone outside of Liverpool were meant to believe and accept the dark arts.

      Moral is:

      NEVER take on this City.
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      Reply #265: Apr 28, 2016 10:52:10 am
      I would think it's much harder to cover up the truth these days with the ease of having mobile devices that can instantly capture and post video and pictures for the world to see. People now can make their own widespread media coverage with social networks.

      Possibly mate but by equal measure what the s*n did back then was by today's standards 'go viral' and once the mud's out it sticks, and in this day and age those numbers would be huge and one thing I've noticed with the internet and social media these days is people's inability to admit they were wrong, especially when they read it on the internet.

      If f**king kanye or f**king Kim tweet it, it must be f**king gospel.

      Madness.
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      Reply #266: Apr 28, 2016 10:53:35 am
      Moral is:

      NEVER take on this City.

      Unless it's the Everton part at football, then enjoy!
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      Reply #267: Apr 28, 2016 11:01:37 am
      THe FA in action again.

      Remember the 130 who died in Paris and we had the "solidarity" of landmarks being lit up with the French tricolour?
      We  had the FA instruct all football clubs to play the Marseillaise before the games .......having also had it played in the Wembley international.
      OK.


      On the upcoming Premier League games the FA basically have said  Do something if you want to.
      Its accepted that due to tribalism in our football culture some clubs would have found it difficult to sing YNWA and quite frankly we wouldn't want that.  Our brothers in Dortmund we are happy with.

      FFS Do something if you want to .....   

      This country's most successful club of the 20th century.


      The F.A.  double standards .

      Please the French , keep them happy ...   but f**k the Scousers.
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      Reply #268: Apr 28, 2016 11:08:33 am
      THe FA in action again.

      Remember the 130 who died in Paris and we had the "solidarity" of landmarks being lit up with the French tricolour?
      We  had the FA instruct all football clubs to play the Marseillaise before the games .......having also had it played in the Wembley international.
      OK.


      On the upcoming Premier League games the FA basically have said  Do something if you want to.
      Its accepted that due to tribalism in our football culture some clubs would have found it difficult to sing YNWA and quite frankly we wouldn't want that.  Our brothers in Dortmund we are happy with.

      FFS Do something if you want to .....   

      This country's most successful club of the 20th century.


      The F.A.  double standards .

      Please the French , keep them happy ...   but f**k the Scousers.

      They're sh*t scared in case something goes wrong so pass the buck is the order, proper sh*t houses.
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      Re: Hillsborough inquest - Fans 'unlawfully killed'
      Reply #269: Apr 28, 2016 11:31:40 am
      The retired Police officers are still of the belief it was the fans fault and that they did a good job they even posted the fact on their Forum.Its been taken down now as it wasn't meant for public consumption ......f***in right it wasn't because it shows the naked truth about the police force in South Yorkshire they are Liars and cheats and have nothing but a unhealthy disregard to 96 Victims. Ignorance and prejudice still exist to this day despite the findings of the Inquest its very sad

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