Alls im saying is, if every single rebounded goal (from a save) were to be considered a goalkeeping mistake. EVERY GOALKEEPER IS SHYTE
And literally NO ONE is saying that EVERY SINGLE rebounded goal (from a save) is to be considered a mistake, but that SOME OF THEM ARE, and the vast majority of people think that this was the case against Dortmund. No need to get into generalisations and speak of other goalkeepers, but the rhetoric to defend Karius always seem to go beyond his actual performance, perhaps because there's little to be defended there.
Also for u to say dudek was crap for most of his career at liverpool is an absolute joke and revisionist history. He was crap 4 the last 2 years but still ended up at Madrid.
A crap goalkeeper playing hundreds of games for Feyenoord, Liverpool winning league and cup medals, playing international football then spending the later of his career as a backup for Iker Cassilas.
Dudek was nothing special for Liverpool and there's a reason why he was replaced the season after his best ever game in a LFC shirt - because that was a fluke, he just had very little consistency. And wow, ending up at Madrid and playing 2 league matches in 4 years, now that's special...
As for Feyenoord, Dudek was their keeper when they had last won the league in the late 90's if I'm not mistaken. They recently won the league again. Their keeper? Brad Jones... now I wonder if that makes Jones particularly great.