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      Loris Karius Player Thread

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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread (on loan at Besiktas)
      Reply #1625: May 15, 2020 05:09:55 pm
      1 Question.
      Karius or Adrian?

      For me, the germans form before his champions league howler was good enough to be our number 2
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread (on loan at Besiktas)
      Reply #1626: May 15, 2020 05:30:50 pm
      Adrian's our current backup keeper and Karius is on loan elsewhere so Klopp thinks Adrian is better suited.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread (on loan at Besiktas)
      Reply #1627: May 15, 2020 05:34:54 pm
      Adrian's our current backup keeper and Karius is on loan elsewhere so Klopp thinks Adrian is better suited.

      Pretty sure Karius terminated his contract with Besiktas so is back with us.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread (on loan at Besiktas)
      Reply #1628: May 15, 2020 05:37:14 pm
      Pretty sure Karius terminated his contract with Besiktas so is back with us.

      He did, although I think Adrian is the better keeper overall. Alisson won't miss too many matches anyway, he's just been unlucky this season.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread (on loan at Besiktas)
      Reply #1629: May 15, 2020 05:42:34 pm
      1 Question.
      Karius or Adrian?

      For me, the germans form before his champions league howler was good enough to be our number 2

      Karius is a bit lacking for me in 2 key areas;
      1) judging the flight of the ball, especially on long shots (yes, I know it can move around a fair bit, but he made some right howlers)

      2) Judgement under the high ball; when to stay, when to come, indecisive at set pieces. Not good under long punts either.

      I feel for the lad.
      He's not a bad keeper really, but he was nowhere near ready to be our number one.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread (on loan at Besiktas)
      Reply #1630: May 15, 2020 05:45:28 pm
      1 Question.
      Karius or Adrian?

      For me, the germans form before his champions league howler was good enough to be our number 2

      Neither. Karius is potentially the better of the two but they both lack the mental aspect and struggle when they are under pressure after a mistake.

      Cut our losses with both. This summer needs to be a case of getting rid of all the deadwood, past their best, liabilities and players that don’t quite cut it to give us what we need; Adrian, Karius, Clyne, Lallana, Lovren and Origi. Unfortunately a bit of a cull is needed but the drop off in quality between the first 11 and them players is too big now.
      « Last Edit: May 15, 2020 05:54:20 pm by 7-King Kenny-7 »
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1631: May 15, 2020 07:40:19 pm
      Adrian is better
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1632: May 15, 2020 09:32:38 pm

      Totally agree and think Adrian is mentally stronger to bounce back.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1633: May 16, 2020 08:38:40 am
      1 Question.
      Karius or Adrian?

      For me, the germans form before his champions league howler was good enough to be our number 2

      Would you have trusted Karius more than Adrian in the games with Chelsea and Ateltico, I'm not sure I would, both are sub standard goalies, even for reserve, we need better.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1634: May 16, 2020 09:29:25 am
      Adrian is better but neither are good enough to be our number two.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1635: May 17, 2020 09:51:24 am
      Number 2 keepers are usually pretty bad.

      Adrian being in his mid 30s at least means he is comfortable in his own skin. When he makes a mistake he seems slightly better equipped to deal with it.

      Christ just had a flashback to being in the pub and seeing Karius boot it against Benzema watching it open mouthed in disbelief as the ball slowly trickled in. That feeling of helplessness. Horrible.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1636: May 17, 2020 10:42:25 am
      Number 2 keepers are usually pretty bad.

      Adrian being in his mid 30s at least means he is comfortable in his own skin. When he makes a mistake he seems slightly better equipped to deal with it.

      Christ just had a flashback to being in the pub and seeing Karius boot it against Benzema watching it open mouthed in disbelief as the ball slowly trickled in. That feeling of helplessness. Horrible.

      Yes for us the #2 keeper is normally bloody useless, I agree with that but it shouldn't be like that, Chelsea, Man Utd and Citeh all have better back up keepers than we do and I'm willing to bet all the other top teams in Europe do as well. I'm not suggesting we need two equally good GK's, that would be a bit silly but you need a good up and coming keeper OR a very good experienced GK at the tail end of their career, someone to keep the main GK on their toes. Competition for places is always good, just look at Chelsea where their goalie was swapped out half way through the season but then came back stronger.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1637: May 17, 2020 06:56:54 pm
      I would be happy with both to be honest, no.2 is not needed that much hopefully.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1638: May 18, 2020 12:22:43 am
      I would be happy with both to be honest, no.2 is not needed that much hopefully.

      Except it was this season and having a crappy one knocked us out of FA cup and CL.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1639: May 18, 2020 10:58:57 am
      Except it was this season and having a crappy one knocked us out of FA cup and CL.

      We weren't good enough as a team in either game, so no f**king point scapegoating the goalie!!
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1640: May 18, 2020 11:27:45 am
      We weren't good enough as a team in either game, so no f**king point scapegoating the goalie!!

      To be fair that second game vs Atletico we very much were good enough, that was a very good team performance and it was only the woodwork(?) and Oblak that kept them in the game and got them to extra time. Unfortunately Adrian was shaky the entire game, he was making a meal out of most things before his errors that led to goals.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1641: May 18, 2020 12:16:06 pm
      We weren't good enough as a team in either game, so no f**king point scapegoating the goalie!!

      when a ball slips through a goalies hands and then in the next game he passes it straight to the opposition and then forgets to dive at the shot, then yes I think scapegoating is allowed! We lost both those games because of Adrian or do you think we would have lost them even with Allison in goal?
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1642: May 18, 2020 12:35:49 pm
      To be fair that second game vs Atletico we very much were good enough, that was a very good team performance and it was only the woodwork(?) and Oblak that kept them in the game and got them to extra time. Unfortunately Adrian was shaky the entire game, he was making a meal out of most things before his errors that led to goals.

      We were beaten, therefore we weren't good enough, we got knocked out. It's football.

      I'm not scapegoating players when even Klopp was incensed with having to play the game and hinted that our players heads might not have fully been in the game.

      Start of the season, we were more arsed about winning the league, that still stands.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1643: May 18, 2020 01:29:15 pm
      We were beaten, therefore we weren't good enough, we got knocked out. It's football.

      Well, what can you do when the keeper cocks up.

      Karius has been slated for his errors in the final but in truth, both keepers have cost us the competition, just at different stages and some people for some reason try and take some moral high ground with Adrian.
      If neither Karius or Adrian were Liverpool players when they made them mistakes, I think anyone that says they would be happy to see us sign them as a backup option would be lieing. There’s a reason why we found it hard to shift Karius and why Adrian was without a team.

      There seems to be a section of people who are content to have an average at best 2nd choice keeper but want us to have good quality backup in the outfield positions. Doesn’t make sense and seems a bit small time to me.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1644: May 18, 2020 02:41:26 pm
      Well, what can you do when the keeper cocks up.

      Karius has been slated for his errors in the final but in truth, both keepers have cost us the competition, just at different stages and some people for some reason try and take some moral high ground with Adrian.
      If neither Karius or Adrian were Liverpool players when they made them mistakes, I think anyone that says they would be happy to see us sign them as a backup option would be lieing. There’s a reason why we found it hard to shift Karius and why Adrian was without a team.

      There seems to be a section of people who are content to have an average at best 2nd choice keeper but want us to have good quality backup in the outfield positions. Doesn’t make sense and seems a bit small time to me.

      Spot on, I find that way of thinking utterly bizarre, why are they against us having a better backup keeper and making the team even better?
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1645: May 18, 2020 03:21:22 pm
      Well, what can you do when the keeper cocks up.

      Karius has been slated for his errors in the final but in truth, both keepers have cost us the competition, just at different stages and some people for some reason try and take some moral high ground with Adrian.
      If neither Karius or Adrian were Liverpool players when they made them mistakes, I think anyone that says they would be happy to see us sign them as a backup option would be lieing. There’s a reason why we found it hard to shift Karius and why Adrian was without a team.

      There seems to be a section of people who are content to have an average at best 2nd choice keeper but want us to have good quality backup in the outfield positions. Doesn’t make sense and seems a bit small time to me.

      What first choice keeper do you reckon we can buy then to sit on the bench and play back up to Ali?
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1646: May 18, 2020 03:22:24 pm
      Spot on, I find that way of thinking utterly bizarre, why are they against us having a better backup keeper and making the team even better?

      What No 1 is gonna come play no 2 for us to Alisson?
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1647: May 18, 2020 03:26:20 pm
      We were beaten, therefore we weren't good enough, we got knocked out. It's football.

      I'm not scapegoating players when even Klopp was incensed with having to play the game and hinted that our players heads might not have fully been in the game.

      Start of the season, we were more arsed about winning the league, that still stands.

      Adrian didn't miss a string of chances in 90 minutes. Yes he gave the ball.away but the atletico player still had a bit to do. Will be hard placed to find many outstanding players wanting to play second fiddle
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1648: May 18, 2020 04:28:17 pm
      What first choice keeper do you reckon we can buy then to sit on the bench and play back up to Ali?

      Who says it has to be a first choice that we sign? There are plenty of adequate backup keepers out there I’m sure.
      Also, Romero who was a first choice and an established international keeper went to play backup to De Gea so I don’t know why people think keepers aren’t prepared to do that, especially for teams who would be expecting to compete on all fronts because there will be plenty of opportunities for them to still play.

      Burnley for example at one point had Pope, Heaton and Hart, all 3 of which would expect to be first choice.

      Why do people seem to have such an issue with having a backup keeper that can pose a genuine threat to our first choice? Surely that’s what anyone would want?!

      Also for what it’s worth, despite Karius costing us the final, he looked a lot more assured on the run to the final than Adrian has done in his 3 Champions League games.

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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1649: May 18, 2020 08:02:43 pm
      I wish we’d have brought Reina back in, seemed a no brainer to me.

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