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      Re: Hooliganism at Euro 2016
      Reply #30: Jun 12, 2016 02:40:13 am
      I saw footage on the BBC news about what had happened regarding the violence, and from what I saw our English folks were doing nothing but enjoying themself, having a drink, then got attacked by the russians and the french. Yeah sure, we shouldnt have reacted, but what would you do? you have paid a small fortune to get abroad, enjoy another country, enjoy the football, all you want to do is sit and relax, then some tw*t comes along and lobs a bottle or chair at you, if that was me, I would react like many have, I would grab that bottle or chair, then grab the one who threw it, then shove it up their ass!

      We dont have a great reputation, this is true. Look at what the chelsea fans did to that french lad who wanted to get on the train that time, but from what ive seen so far, a majority of our fans have done nothing wrong.
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      Reply #31: Jun 12, 2016 04:21:15 am
      http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/violence-nice-northern-ireland-poland-8171259#rlabs=1%20rt$category%20p$2

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      Witnesses said local hooligans from the ā€œNice Ultrasā€ started brawls with travelling fans ahead Ireland and Polandā€™s match today.

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      Northern Irishman Alex Sloan witnessed the ā€œterrible scenesā€ and criticised French police for allegedly allowing the hooligans to spark the riot.

      It seems the French and their authorities have a lot to answer for.
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      Re: Hooliganism at Euro 2016
      Reply #32: Jun 12, 2016 06:07:53 am
      Huge believer in that your attract trouble.
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      Reply #33: Jun 12, 2016 07:23:11 am
      You'd have to imagine there would be some sort of ban for a club teams fans rushing the opposition supporters like he Russian fans did.
      How can Russia safely host a world cup with thugs like these waiting to attack the visitors?
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      Re: Hooliganism at Euro 2016
      Reply #34: Jun 12, 2016 08:27:58 am

      Another thing is the Russian idiot who let off a firework that sounded like a bomb had gone off, in a country recovering from appalling terrorism, is worthy of a hefty prison sentence. You could feel the sudden hush of what the crowd were thinking and I was unsure if something had happened!What is just as concerning is If that particular Pratt was  able to get fireworks and flares past security, what else could someone get past? Massive failure by French security there.
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      Reply #35: Jun 12, 2016 08:58:59 am
      Quote from lester76
      Big believer that you attract problems
      A minority of English followers are hell bent on violence or put themselves in a situation where they will be part of it.
      Embarrassing behavior once again.
      Don't care if you are 'goaded' by Russian or local French gangs.
      The issue is that you put yourselves in that situation
      Once more I am ashamed of my country

      Our fans went to Marseille twice in recent years for European Cup games. I don't recall any major aggro. Having been there in a personal capacity, I do see similiarities with Liverpool, a tough, working class city with a nice port. Obviously it's much warmer in Marseille, while Liverpool is more cosmopolitan than the North African dominated immigration in Marseille, but that apart, there are more similarities than differences.

      The disorder is more to do with culture tbh. The majority of fans that travel to England away games are from lower league clubs that never play in Europe. But most nations fans can be trusted to go away, respect the city, have a drink, go to the game, then go home as they should. However England fans can't, and when they go away, they often leave their mark. Usually most locals don't respond, but in Marseille they do, and when you throw in the Russians too, there is a potential storm brewing and it doesn't take much for it to turn ugly.

      Things would help however if UEFA regionalised the group stages with 2 stadiums relatively near each other for each group, with one venue for the seeds and the other venue for everyone else, rather than having teams play all over the place. The next Euros will be much worse from that perspective. But UEFA are not all that bothered with the logistics of it, they just arrange the games and leave the local security services to deal with any issues that arise.
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      Reply #36: Jun 12, 2016 09:06:41 am
      Huge believer in that your attract trouble.


      I'm not and what you're saying hardly makes sense, it's a throwaway comment with little actual foundation. I've seen people attacked for nothing as I've been attacked too so nope!

      They should shut down the Euros, they're ill prepared or should I say don't give a crap, I've never seen kick offs like this at what should be a well policed major event.
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      Reply #37: Jun 12, 2016 09:32:50 am
      As I understand it, the authorities have known for months that groups of Russian thugs were planning attacks, especially on the British. It does seem that policing this tournament was too much for the French, with the ever present threat of a terrorist attack, the Country under a state of emergency and groups of thugs hell bent on causing mayhem!
      As for UEFA, as ever they never learn, segregation was minimal, it's crazy.
      How can Russia host any tournament after this, especially a World Cup!
      I pray no one gets killed, but looking at those videos it seems only a matter of time, if the police and UEFA don't get their act together.
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      Reply #38: Jun 12, 2016 09:37:26 am
      Disgraceful. How are the authorities getting away with this?

      And the cu*ts in Russia are hosting the World Cup. And Qatar. Redo the process and award them to other countries. Until that happens, the stench of FIFA and Blatter remains.
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      Re: Hooliganism at Euro 2016
      Reply #39: Jun 12, 2016 10:03:52 am
      How can Russia host any tournament after this, especially a World Cup!

      Only thing I will say is that Euro 96, held in England, passed off relatively peacefully.  Maybe.. just maybe.. with it being hosted inside Russia - their own police etc may have a better idea of controlling their own hooligan element.

      Very much doubt England fans, if we get to the WC 2018, would travel in anything like the numbers they are to France too.

      Just a thought.
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      Reply #40: Jun 12, 2016 10:04:41 am
      Disgraceful. How are the authorities getting away with this?

      And the cu*ts in Russia are hosting the World Cup. And Qatar. Redo the process and award them to other countries. Until that happens, the stench of FIFA and Blatter remains.

      I totally agree with you John but with the problems in the world today it is difficult to stop thugs masquerading as football supporters.We only have to look down the East Lancs Road to see the problems those arse holes cause.
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      Reply #41: Jun 12, 2016 10:14:25 am
      Huge believer in that your attract trouble.


      That only applies to the minority.
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      Reply #42: Jun 12, 2016 10:34:10 am
      The thing to understand about french police is :
       - it is state of urgency here since last november due to terrorists attacks, with policemen rest hours cut in two, and massive police forces were required to protect COP21 this winter in the middle of that
       - in last 3 months we have had massive strikes and protests about a labor rights law, with daily riots involving black blocks or suburban gangs in most big cities, and even more police being required
       - ... and the worse floodings since 30 years, requiring police to do rescue jobs alongside firemen in addition to all that

      Our policemen are on their knees, actually it should be seen as a good surprise they haven't killed any excited supporter yet, considering most are close to nervous breakdown after barely having a rest in 8 months. It was really the worse time for them to have a Euro bringing armies of hooligans to take care. IMO the state of our security forces would have justified to just cancel it.
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      Reply #43: Jun 12, 2016 10:39:49 am
      I totally agree with you John but with the problems in the world today it is difficult to stop thugs masquerading as football supporters.We only have to look down the East Lancs Road to see the problems those arse holes cause.

      Very true, Billy. Hard to pick a thug from a supporter.

      Which begs the question - why aren't there police in the stadiums with the stewards? Paris has troops walking streets in full army gear and loaded up with guns and that's on a normal Wednesday afternoon. Surely they should have the same at such an event? Even if they have to outsource and bring help in from overseas. Surely safety is priority and no shortcuts should be taken?

      Madness.
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      Reply #44: Jun 12, 2016 10:43:59 am
      considering the terrorist attacks that have blighted that nation.

      That's the rub here, it appears the police etc have spent more time preventing/preparing for terrorism than they have large groups of pissed up football fans.

      France has been Anarchy for weeks/months preceding the Euro's with strikes, fighting and floods.

      I've got a horrible feeling something really big is going to happen as the distractions for the French authorities is providing the perfect opportunity, hope im wrong.
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      Reply #45: Jun 12, 2016 10:53:31 am
      The thing to understand about french police is :
       - it is state of urgency here since last november due to terrorists attacks, with policemen rest hours cut in two, and massive police forces were required to protect COP21 this winter in the middle of that
       - in last 3 months we have had massive strikes and protests about a labor rights law, with daily riots involving black blocks or suburban gangs in most big cities, and even more police being required
       - ... and the worse floodings since 30 years, requiring police to do rescue jobs alongside firemen in addition to all that

      Our policemen are on their knees, actually it should be seen as a good surprise they haven't killed any excited supporter yet, considering most are close to nervous breakdown after barely having a rest in 8 months. It was really the worse time for them to have a Euro bringing armies of hooligans to take care. IMO the state of our security forces would have justified to just cancel it.


      "good surprise they haven't killed any excited supporter" - you f**king kidding me? If the police can't protect people then they shouldn't be hosting the tournament.
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      Reply #46: Jun 12, 2016 10:59:55 am
      If the police can't protect people then they shouldn't be hosting the tournament.

      Police probably said as much.  Unfortunately the police don't run the show though - the Government and those with 'money to make' do get to decide.

      Internal stadium security last night looked a complete joke.  Maybe there was a good police presence inside the ground but maybe they all had to be 'outside' the ground towards the end of the game and thus the problems emerged.

      https://twitter.com/ynfa_thehub/status/741899857363865600
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      Reply #47: Jun 12, 2016 11:13:52 am
      Police probably said as much.  Unfortunately the police don't run the show though - the Government and those with 'money to make' do get to decide.

      Internal stadium security last night looked a complete joke.  Maybe there was a good police presence inside the ground but maybe they all had to be 'outside' the ground towards the end of the game and thus the problems emerged.

      https://twitter.com/ynfa_thehub/status/741899857363865600

      They're all just standing there and watching even after a f**king flare is shot.

      That's the rub here, it appears the police etc have spent more time preventing/preparing for terrorism than they have large groups of pissed up football fans.

      France has been Anarchy for weeks/months preceding the Euro's with strikes, fighting and floods.

      I've got a horrible feeling something really big is going to happen as the distractions for the French authorities is providing the perfect opportunity, hope im wrong.

      Hard to think otherwise, the more information gets out.
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      Reply #48: Jun 12, 2016 11:46:04 am
      "good surprise they haven't killed any excited supporter" - you f**king kidding me? If the police can't protect people then they shouldn't be hosting the tournament.

      Sorry for the cynical tone. I was precisely saying France should have forgot national pride and either resigned or at least asked for foreign support to handle the event, considering the state of our security forces after 8 months of overuse and especially all the tension in the last 2 or 3.
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      Reply #49: Jun 12, 2016 11:54:54 am
      Question?.... Does anyone think that FIFA will have the balls to take the World Cup 2018 away from Russia after this?


      http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/522392/england-fans-chant-euro-2016-brexit-marseille
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      Reply #50: Jun 12, 2016 12:03:23 pm
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      Question?.... Does anyone thing that FIFA will have the balls to take the World Cup 2018 away from Russia after this?

      No. The backhanders have already been spent.
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      Re: Hooliganism at Euro 2016
      Reply #51: Jun 12, 2016 12:23:11 pm
      In the press yesterday  before the game......
      English fans attacked  by Russian hooligan's
      English fans attacked by French thugs
      English fans attacked by French immigrants
      English  fans attacked by Marseille  Ultras
      F**k m those fans must have pissed off a few people so.
      As we all love the press it's  great to see their choice  of words "FANS"  must translate to
      "DEFENCELESS  OUT NUMBERED YOBS" caught out by  European  rivals.
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      Reply #52: Jun 12, 2016 12:33:24 pm
      In the press yesterday  before the game......
      English fans attacked  by Russian hooligan's
      English fans attacked by French thugs
      English fans attacked by French immigrants
      English  fans attacked by Marseille  Ultras
      F**k m those fans must have pissed off a few people so.
      As we all love the press it's  great to see their choice  of words "FANS"  must translate to
      "DEFENCELESS  OUT NUMBERED YOBS" caught out by  European  rivals.

      How do you want to apportion the blame, then? By the numbers in hospital?

      You're going to get people kicking off and you're going to get violence if you allow gangs of Ultras to advance on other groups of supporters. This is organised violence.

      The French authorities should have been prepared for this, so too should UEFA. Their failure to respond has left people critically ill in hospital and the risk of further casualties has persisted even after the seriousness of the situation became known.

      The police/UEFA response has been shambolic.
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      Reply #53: Jun 12, 2016 12:41:25 pm
      How do you want to apportion the blame, then? By the numbers in hospital?

      You're going to get people kicking off and you're going to get violence if you allow gangs of Ultras to advance on other groups of supporters. This is organised violence.

      The French authorities should have been prepared for this, so too should UEFA. Their failure to respond has left people critically ill in hospital and the risk of further casualties has persisted even after the seriousness of the situation became known.

      The police/UEFA response has been shambolic.

      Read what I wrote. The media use of the word fans for the English and thugs,hooligan's  etc for the  others. Don't  start an I said you said load of SHITE.  They're  all in the wrong  but the media can't  just say"English Hooligan's " involved  in fighting /rioting  again.
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      Reply #54: Jun 12, 2016 01:06:16 pm
      Read what I wrote. The media use of the word fans for the English and thugs,hooligan's  etc for the  others. Don't  start an I said you said load of SHITE.  They're  all in the wrong  but the media can't  just say"English Hooligan's " involved  in fighting /rioting  again.

       The media have identified a English football hooligans as being partly responsible for some of the violence, but when you have a coordinated attack inside the stadium involving Russian Ultras charging England supporters en masse, how do you expect that to be reported? England thugs "involved" in violence again? If you do, that would suggest to me you favour a different kind of bias.
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      Reply #55: Jun 12, 2016 01:20:10 pm
      Apparently UEFA have charged Russian FA.

      Not being funny, but if this was a club, and not a country, they'd be kicked out.

      Bit of bias may be here, but firing a flare into a crowd is abhorrent.
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      Reply #56: Jun 12, 2016 02:07:48 pm
      Apparently UEFA have charged Russian FA.

      Not being funny, but if this was a club, and not a country, they'd be kicked out.

      Bit of bias may be here, but firing a flare into a crowd is abhorrent.

      Add the big bang caused from a firework type explosion and it becomes ever more absurd.

      In the press yesterday  before the game......
      English fans attacked  by Russian hooligan's
      English fans attacked by French thugs
      English fans attacked by French immigrants
      English  fans attacked by Marseille  Ultras
      F**k m those fans must have pissed off a few people so.
      As we all love the press it's  great to see their choice  of words "FANS"  must translate to
      "DEFENCELESS  OUT NUMBERED YOBS" caught out by  European  rivals.

      England fans got their sh*t in the media the other day when Russians and French got away without being mentioned. Now people are starting to see the truth. It happened with Northern Ireland and Poland fans last night too who were all drinking and singing together until the Russians and French turned up to riot.

      The fact that you tarnish everybody with the same "yob" brush shows what kind of person you are. How dare somebody stand up for themself when somebody is throwing bottles at their heads. F**k off lad.

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      Reply #57: Jun 12, 2016 02:39:36 pm
      No. The backhanders have already been spent.
      LOL... I didn't think about that  ;D
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      Reply #58: Jun 12, 2016 03:05:23 pm
      Add the big bang caused from a firework type explosion and it becomes ever more absurd.


      Anyone know of a clip of that? I've seen lots of other clips but none of that huge bang. The ref even stopped and looked over in shock.. and after the game I and others were genuinely wondering if an explosion had occurred outside the stadium. It was ridiculous!
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      Reply #59: Jun 12, 2016 03:17:16 pm
      I was watching the game on TV and there was a huge bang at 89 minutes, that is when England got sloppy which built up to the Russian equalizer on 91min. Roy Hodgson said the crowd trouble did not cause a distraction. I must have been watching a different England v Russia game then.

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