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      Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread (on loan at Sheffield United)

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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #210: Nov 14, 2017 07:15:29 pm
      Was watching France vs Wales, and the difference between Mbappe and Woodburn is huge, and both around the same age too. I think Woodburn  should go out on loan and play competitive league football regularly in January. I just feel he being held back because we have experienced players ahead of him; it's like a gifted kid going to a public school ffs!

      Just my point. Pretty soon we are going to have to rely on him. If he falls flat some blokes will cuss the kid for being crap and costing us games. The fact of the matter is we need him playing, I'm okay with him going on loan for big boy football. Nice point Monk
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      Reply #211: Nov 18, 2017 05:41:20 pm
      Was watching France vs Wales, and the difference between Mbappe and Woodburn is huge, and both around the same age too. I think Woodburn  should go out on loan and play competitive league football regularly in January. I just feel he being held back because we have experienced players ahead of him; it's like a gifted kid going to a public school ffs!
      not convinced it's the reason. He's probably been over hyped. He's not as good as Michael Owen or Gerrard was at 18, nowhere near. He's good and has potential but Mbappe is world class and Woodburn is not. If you saw Loftus Cheek and Solanke, two other players not playing regular but still performed internationally. I would not loan him out, I'd let him have the FA cup games with Gomez, Solanke and TAA. It's going to be good for their development.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #212: Dec 05, 2017 03:48:14 pm
      Ben just got an award .

      Jürgen a crack up as usual .


      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42239023
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #213: Jan 04, 2018 11:01:56 pm
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #214: Jan 04, 2018 11:07:06 pm

      Coleman is familiar with him, so it's a no brainer, however, I think he is below average and a defensive coach. Would have been great if Wolves took a gamble on Woodburn :D
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #215: Jan 08, 2018 06:49:13 am
      Woodburn can step into Coutinho boots.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #216: Jan 08, 2018 06:54:58 am
      Woodburn can step into Coutinho boots.

      Woodburn and Harry Wilson for me, so one or the other doesn't get overloaded.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #217: Jan 08, 2018 03:01:45 pm
      If we are not going for a replacement this winter, then Woodburn deserves an opportunity. Our midfield offers very little creativity and a lot of graft, so he is the type of player needed in our midfield.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #218: Jan 18, 2018 06:28:56 pm
      Looks like Klopp will being keeping Ben around the club for the rest of the season after rejecting Sunderland approach for a loan deal. I am little disappointed as I would of like to see him get playing time but with Phil gone it will bump him on the depth chart and maybe see more of him coming off the bench or starting FA Cup games

      http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/liverpool-transfer-news-rumours-live-ben-woodburn-daniel-sturridge-inter-milan-sevilla-a8166046.html
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #219: Jan 18, 2018 06:43:07 pm
      Interesting one this.

      Loan bid rejected working with a manager he knows and trusts at a good club albeit sh*te team.

      Holding him here and then not playing him makes no sense which suggests hell get time rsther then us making a big signing to replace Coutinho.

      To me a mistake. I like the kid a lot. But we cant expect him to cover the loss of Coutinho.

      As far as im concerned 2nd place is there to be won plus the FA cup and champions league. Id love to see us show intent by getting a big name in to replace coutinho plus a keeper. Young woodburn being the option off the bench might not be enough.

      Though id love to be wrong
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #220: Jan 18, 2018 06:44:39 pm
      Woodburn is good enough to cover Coutinho, I have no doubt. Just give him some games in our rotation policy. He was better than Bale in the Welsh games and I doubt many would refuse Bale.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #221: Jan 18, 2018 06:48:27 pm
      Personally glad that Klopp has halted Woodburn's move to Sunderland. That would be akin to the throwing him on a rubbish heap such is the direness of that team at the moment.

      And for what it's worth - Coleman isn't that good a manager so it's not like he's missing out on his juicy footballing wisdom. Bit of a charlatan who ran off the back of Gareth Bale's quality alone in that Wales side.

      He'd learn more in the U23s than at Sunderland.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #222: Jan 18, 2018 06:55:52 pm
      Personally glad that Klopp has halted Woodburn's move to Sunderland. That would be akin to the throwing him on a rubbish heap such is the direness of that team at the moment.

      And for what it's worth - Coleman isn't that good a manager so it's not like he's missing out on his juicy footballing wisdom. Bit of a charlatan who ran off the back of Gareth Bale's quality alone in that Wales side.

      He'd learn more in the U23s than at Sunderland.
      I think Woodburn should be on the bench in the next game.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #223: Jan 19, 2018 02:50:12 am
      To me a mistake. I like the kid a lot. But we cant expect him to cover the loss of Coutinho.

      I wouldn't think anyone be foolish enough to think he is going to cover Phil, that is going to fall on Ox and Lallana who by the looks of things with be fighting for the attack mid spot behind our front 3 (I don't expect a new signing unfortunately). He will be asked to take a role to make a impact off the bench more so than anything as I can see him and Ings rotating on the sub bench.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #224: Jan 19, 2018 03:53:35 am
      I wouldn't think anyone be foolish enough to think he is going to cover Phil, that is going to fall on Ox and Lallana who by the looks of things with be fighting for the attack mid spot behind our front 3 (I don't expect a new signing unfortunately). He will be asked to take a role to make a impact off the bench more so than anything as I can see him and Ings rotating on the sub bench.


       I remember watching Coutinho when Rafa had Inter Milan. He used him as an 18 yr old quite a bit. That was a team full of seasoned professionals of high quality (unfortunately bloated with age and weary). The point is, he did a good job when given the task. Rafa was somewhat forced to use Phil because the rest of the team (apart from Eto ) had mutinied. Maybe now Phil's gone it is time to give Woodburn the same opportunity. Not all the time but in some matches, give him a go.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #225: Jan 19, 2018 11:21:55 am
      I remember watching Coutinho when Rafa had Inter Milan. He used him as an 18 yr old quite a bit. That was a team full of seasoned professionals of high quality (unfortunately bloated with age and weary). The point is, he did a good job when given the task. Rafa was somewhat forced to use Phil because the rest of the team (apart from Eto ) had mutinied. Maybe now Phil's gone it is time to give Woodburn the same opportunity. Not all the time but in some matches, give him a go.

      I think the lead would excel in the team surrounded by the quality we have... Some quality players to learn from.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #226: Jan 19, 2018 08:46:38 pm
      Torn here.

      Really want to see someone come in with the Phil money but also really want to see more of Woodburn in the team. Don't think you can have both.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #227: Jan 19, 2018 11:08:04 pm
      Torn here.

      Really want to see someone come in with the Phil money but also really want to see more of Woodburn in the team. Don't think you can have both.

      Still not sure what position he would be best suited to in order have a good career with us.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #228: Jan 20, 2018 09:47:17 am
      Still not sure what position he would be best suited to in order have a good career with us.
      Forward. Same reason as Coutinho, too small to offer much midfield protection for defence. I don't like deep play makers who can't defend either, it's like having 10.5 men. To me Coutinho was always going to end up being a forward because he's so s**t at ariel duels and tackles etc... In my opinion anybody can't can't win the ball needs to be supplied the ball, so a forward. Ben Woodburn is like a young Coutinho in style of football, he needs to just get on our wing, we either buy somebody else and loan Woodburn or use him because he has proven he's talented.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #229: Jan 20, 2018 10:25:39 am
      Still not sure what position he would be best suited to in order have a good career with us.

      I think he’s a CAM all day long.

      Talented boy - delighted he’s staying and will see a bit more game time.
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      Reply #230: Jan 20, 2018 03:44:29 pm
      I think he’s a CAM all day long.

      Talented boy - delighted he’s staying and will see a bit more game time.
      maybe #10 is closest he can be to an ATM, but we don't use #10 in 433. Unless we have a very good DM, then ATM with woodburn leaves us exposed. Not being funny but I know you're a Hendonite, but most people don't think we have a good enough DM to go playing Woodburn as ATM. I'm not saying Woodburn can't be ATM, but we would need somebody at Kante's level behind him.

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      This would work when Lallana or Mane neee a rest. His loan is off because Coutinho has gone, it's him he's going to be covering.

      In that system he can have Ox, Can and Lallana behind him as opposed to being part of the midfield where he'll have additional responsibilities.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #231: Jan 23, 2018 01:31:07 pm
      Hope he gets game time against Albion we need to get him up to speed if there is no more incoming s which is looking like the case.

      I don't want to see Gini with Can against the Bus parkers.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #232: Jan 23, 2018 03:59:41 pm
      Hope he gets game time against Albion we need to get him up to speed if there is no more incoming s which is looking like the case.

      I don't want to see Gini with Can against the Bus parkers.

      I would actually look to sacrifice either Lallana or Ox and keep Can/Hendo and Wijnaldum/Milner on at times for Woodburn to have less defensive responsibility and more freedom to create.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #233: Jan 24, 2018 09:21:09 pm
      Definitely hope Klopp's decision means we are going to see more of him. I've been a little mystified at how little he's featured this season, but my understanding is that He is being taught more of a midfield role (more the Gini/Milner/Keita role than the Ox or Lallana role - I don't think those latter two will sit in favor of Ben this season). That said, it may be the forward line where he will have more chances to sub on the rest of the way this year.

      My fear is that we're not seeing him because Klopp thinks he is regressing. Hopefully that isn't it.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #234: Jan 24, 2018 09:53:55 pm
      Definitely hope Klopp's decision means we are going to see more of him. I've been a little mystified at how little he's featured this season, but my understanding is that He is being taught more of a midfield role (more the Gini/Milner/Keita role than the Ox or Lallana role - I don't think those latter two will sit in favor of Ben this season). That said, it may be the forward line where he will have more chances to sub on the rest of the way this year.

      My fear is that we're not seeing him because Klopp thinks he is regressing. Hopefully that isn't it.


      I think he has been protecting him more than anything....Gomez and Trent have been used as much as they have out of necessity; If Clyne was healthy I doubt we would have seen them as much.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #235: Jan 24, 2018 09:54:26 pm
      I think he has been protecting him more than anything....Gomez and Trent have been used as much as they have out of necessity; If Clyne was healthy I doubt we would have seen them as much.

      Spot on for me.
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      Reply #236: Jan 25, 2018 12:22:00 am
      I think he has been protecting him more than anything....Gomez and Trent have been used as much as they have out of necessity; If Clyne was healthy I doubt we would have seen them as much.

      Hope so, but I do see 18-year olds around the world playing a major role - Christian Pulisic played regularly as an 18-year old - and of course we have Owen, Fowler and McManaman as players who were thrown in by then.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #237: Jan 25, 2018 12:28:59 am
      Hope so, but I do see 18-year olds around the world playing a major role - Christian Pulisic played regularly as an 18-year old - and of course we have Owen, Fowler and McManaman as players who were thrown in by then.


      If there is one critisism of Jürgen he doesn't introduce young players early into a winning team.

      So Ben could have had some minutes towards the end of some of those trouncings handed out.

      There again Jürgen may have misbelieved that FSG have opened the purse strings seeing VVD arriving!

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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #238: Jan 25, 2018 03:27:44 pm
      Would be great to see Woodburn get a run out on Saturday. Aside from all the desires for glory and all that, one of the things I want to see out of Klopp's time at the club here is to produce a run of talent from the youth ranks that is comparable to decades past. In 5-10 years time I'd love to see a superbly crafted first eleven led by TAA, Woodburn and hopefully a few more up and coming youngsters.
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      Re: Benjamin Woodburn Player Thread
      Reply #239: Feb 02, 2018 06:53:56 am
      When he didn't go out on loan I figured he must have some role to play with the first team for the remainder of the season. We've barely seen him this season (except for Wales) and we're out of the Cup so I'm just wondering when he is going to play or make a squad? If he doesn't play it's a bit of a head scratcher for me. The lad needs to play and under U23s football really is a bag of shi...te.

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