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      Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread

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      Kopite78
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #1000: Sep 23, 2020 12:04:17 pm
      He will leave next season on a free

      Jürgen seems to want that too so im cool with it
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      Reply #1001: Sep 23, 2020 12:04:46 pm
      Not this season though. Picked for the starting XI last weekend and will be again vs. Arsenal.


      Not sure it would make sence to keep him Robby unless he's just after a bigger wage packet. Don't know how long he has on his contract but if it's only a year he has to go now otherwise lose him on a free next year.
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      Reply #1002: Sep 23, 2020 12:19:37 pm
      Not sure it would make sence to keep him Robby unless he's just after a bigger wage packet. Don't know how long he has on his contract but if it's only a year he has to go now otherwise lose him on a free next year.

      His value to us is on the pitch. He's helped us win two major trophies and will help us compete for more this season. He isn't...cargo.

      We'll manage to pay the light bill without selling him, I'm confident.
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      Reply #1003: Sep 23, 2020 12:25:18 pm
      His value to us is on the pitch. He's helped us win two major trophies and will help us compete for more this season. He isn't...cargo.

      We'll manage to pay the light bill without selling him, I'm confident.

      I don't think he was instrumental in you winning the league though. On a personal note I think you could of won it without him. I don't rate the lad highly as some do but only my opinion.
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      Reply #1004: Sep 23, 2020 12:49:27 pm
      I don't think he was instrumental in you winning the league though. On a personal note I think you could of won it without him. I don't rate the lad highly as some do but only my opinion.

      He started 41 matches last season. Must have been doing something right.

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      Reply #1005: Sep 23, 2020 12:58:03 pm
      He started 41 matches last season. Must have been doing something right.



      Maguire not missed a match at United and done f**k all  ;D Seriously though obviously he's played his part but he's not at  the top of my list if I was a Liverpool fan and thought he needed to stay.

      Klopps view is now going to be very interesting in which way he wants to go. It's a good story line and one to follow.
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      Reply #1006: Sep 23, 2020 01:02:48 pm
      His value to us is on the pitch. He's helped us win two major trophies and will help us compete for more this season. He isn't...cargo.

      We'll manage to pay the light bill without selling him, I'm confident.

      So he's worth £600k per week then in your opinion, because that's what he'll cost us this season (wages plus lost transfer fee). Sorry but I disagree, I think he is by far the least important midfielder we have now, I wouldn't even have him in my starting XI, I think most games it will be Thiago, Keita and Fabinho/Henderson.
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      Reply #1007: Sep 23, 2020 02:13:33 pm
      So he's worth £600k per week then in your opinion, because that's what he'll cost us this season (wages plus lost transfer fee). Sorry but I disagree, I think he is by far the least important midfielder we have now, I wouldn't even have him in my starting XI, I think most games it will be Thiago, Keita and Fabinho/Henderson.

      I thought we wanted depth and options?

      If he's so unimportant why would he draw such a transfer fee in the final year of his contract.

      Anyway, disagreeing about his value is fine, but I think it's been pretty well established that he's not moving this year. That story was put to bed in the last couple of weeks.

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      Reply #1008: Sep 23, 2020 02:19:04 pm
      We are not afraid of letting a player go on a free. He is more valuable to us this year than the money we'd get for him.
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      Reply #1009: Sep 23, 2020 02:30:21 pm
      I thought we wanted depth and options?

      If he's so unimportant why would he draw such a transfer fee in the final year of his contract.

      Anyway, disagreeing about his value is fine, but I think it's been pretty well established that he's not moving this year. That story was put to bed in the last couple of weeks.



      In an ideal world he'd accept his new contract and stay in the squad but it seems that he he doesn't want that, he wants to run down his contract and f**k the club over.
      You have to ask yourself, is he worth £600k per week this season, is he really that crucial to our team now that we have Thiago, yes or no?
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      Reply #1010: Sep 23, 2020 02:30:51 pm
      I don't think he was instrumental in you winning the league though. On a personal note I think you could of won it without him. I don't rate the lad highly as some do but only my opinion.





      Unlike you Keith to underestimate our players, if he weren’t with us Ole would be after him, he’s as good as you have for sure, I hope things get sorted out between him & the club, if not good luck to the lad, he has given us more than anyone could ask for, it’s possible the deal offered isn’t as good as he could get at Barca, if so, that’s fair enough, he’ll give his all for us in the time he has left, I think Jürgen trusts him to do that and not just take the money and warm the bench.




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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #1011: Sep 23, 2020 02:37:22 pm
      In an ideal world he'd accept his new contract and stay in the squad but it seems that he he doesn't want that, he wants to run down his contract and f**k the club over.
      You have to ask yourself, is he worth £600k per week this season, is he really that crucial to our team now that we have Thiago, yes or no?

      Once again you haven’t got a f**king clue

      He wants a 4 year extension a club only looking at either a 2-3 deal , it’s got nothing to do with screwing the club over , he wants to stay
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      Reply #1012: Sep 23, 2020 02:42:06 pm
      Once again you haven’t got a f**king clue

      He wants a 4 year extension a club only looking at either a 2-3 deal , it’s got nothing to do with screwing the club over , he wants to stay

      Well he's not getting a f**king 4 year contract so he either signs a 3 year one or he can find employment elsewhere, does he think he's in a position to dictate terms to the club or something? He must think that we are so desperate to have him in the team that we'll give him anything he wants, he sounds like a bit of a trouble maker to me, bad for team spirit.
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      Reply #1013: Sep 23, 2020 02:44:32 pm
      Well he's not getting a f**king 4 year contract so he either signs a 3 year one or he can find employment elsewhere,

      He will

      In 12 months

      he sounds like a bit of a trouble maker to me, bad for team spirit.


      Yeah ,Jürgen  strikes me as someone whod keep one of them around 

      Also hes literally never given that impression and seems a very popular member of the team

      Seems like you're talking out of your arse again and making statements based on f**k all
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      Reply #1014: Sep 23, 2020 02:59:38 pm
      He will

      In 12 months


      Yeah ,Jürgen  strikes me as someone whod keep one of them around 

      Also hes literally never given that impression and seems a very popular member of the team

      Seems like you're talking out of your arse again and making statements based on f**k all


      Well whoopee for Gini, meanwhile the club we all support loses a transfer fee, what part of that is confusing to you?

      Any player who runs down their contract is a bit of a tw*t in my book, you'd only do that if you hate the club or manager/owners. Even if Gini wants a longer contract he could easily sign a new contract with us now, then look elsewhere next summer, then he gets his 4 years and we get a transfer fee, everyone's a winner. This current situation is only good for one person, GINI.
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      Reply #1015: Sep 23, 2020 03:02:21 pm
      Well whoopee for Gini, meanwhile the club we all support loses a transfer fee, what part of that is confusing to you?

      Any player who runs down their contract is a bit of a tw*t in my book, you'd only do that if you hate the club or manager/owners. Even if Gini wants a longer contract he could easily sign a new contract with us now, then look elsewhere next summer, then he gets his 4 years and we get a transfer fee, everyone's a winner. This current situation is only good for one person, GINI.

      😂
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      Reply #1016: Sep 23, 2020 03:19:37 pm
      Seems like you're talking out of your arse again and making statements based on f**k all

      It’s called assumption. Everything will be reversed once we come out to say we are so and so, working inside Melwood in this or that capacity, and so we know better than everyone else here. Still waiting to hear that. But let’s just call that an assumption for now. From what we know, Gini is a really nice bloke.
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      Reply #1017: Sep 23, 2020 03:24:26 pm




      Unlike you Keith to underestimate our players, if he weren’t with us Ole would be after him, he’s as good as you have for sure, I hope things get sorted out between him & the club, if not good luck to the lad, he has given us more than anyone could ask for, it’s possible the deal offered isn’t as good as he could get at Barca, if so, that’s fair enough, he’ll give his all for us in the time he has left, I think Jürgen trusts him to do that and not just take the money and warm the bench.




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      Just a different opinion on this one Billy.
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      Reply #1018: Sep 23, 2020 03:27:52 pm
      I thought we wanted depth and options?

      If he's so unimportant why would he draw such a transfer fee in the final year of his contract.

      Anyway, disagreeing about his value is fine, but I think it's been pretty well established that he's not moving this year. That story was put to bed in the last couple of weeks.



      Yea he's not going anywhere. He's literally the only midfielder (aside from maybe Fab) that we can count on to always be healthy. I think even Milner missed more games due to injury than Gini.
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      Reply #1019: Sep 23, 2020 03:51:40 pm
      Yea he's not going anywhere. He's literally the only midfielder (aside from maybe Fab) that we can count on to always be healthy. I think even Milner missed more games due to injury than Gini.

      perhaps that's why we have 8 midfielders
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      Reply #1020: Sep 23, 2020 04:20:04 pm
      Just a different opinion on this one Billy.



      No worries Keith mate 😁
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #1021: Sep 23, 2020 04:27:23 pm
      In an ideal world he'd accept his new contract and stay in the squad but it seems that he he doesn't want that, he wants to run down his contract and f**k the club over.
      You have to ask yourself, is he worth £600k per week this season, is he really that crucial to our team now that we have Thiago, yes or no?

      My problem is with "and f**K the club over." He has a contract. He gets paid for the duration of it and so long as he is putting in the work and performing at the standard expected, he's doing no such thing. If a player's contract expires and the club stops paying him a wage, are they screwing the player over? Of course not. Players aren't bought to be sold, they are bought to perform during the time for which they are under contract.

      I don't accept your question. Thiago makes the team better, but that doesn't equal the idea that Gini is no longer important. He still brings value. You are always going about more value, more players to do a job and provide depth and more opportunity to challenge on multiple fronts. Keeping Gini does that.

      If Gini doesn't want to be here THIS year then we're talking about something else, but I've heard no hint of that.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #1022: Sep 23, 2020 04:44:39 pm
      In an ideal world he'd accept his new contract and stay in the squad but it seems that he he doesn't want that, he wants to run down his contract and f**k the club over.
      You have to ask yourself, is he worth £600k per week this season, is he really that crucial to our team now that we have Thiago, yes or no?

      That is a really poor, ignorant approach.

      Let's review the definition of "f**k the club over" with an example:

      Player A signs a long-term contract extension and couple months later demands a transfer and refuses to play for the team, going as far as faking injury and force his move.

      Remember him?
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      Reply #1023: Sep 23, 2020 04:46:31 pm
      My problem is with "and f**K the club over." He has a contract. He gets paid for the duration of it and so long as he is putting in the work and performing at the standard expected, he's doing no such thing. If a player's contract expires and the club stops paying him a wage, are they screwing the player over? Of course not. Players aren't bought to be sold, they are bought to perform during the time for which they are under contract.

      I don't accept your question. Thiago makes the team better, but that doesn't equal the idea that Gini is no longer important. He still brings value. You are always going about more value, more players to do a job and provide depth and more opportunity to challenge on multiple fronts. Keeping Gini does that.

      If Gini doesn't want to be here THIS year then we're talking about something else, but I've heard no hint of that.

       if Wijnaldum wants to play another season with Liverpool and leave to join someone on a Bosman for a massive pay packet then so be it, he can do what he wants and I’m sure Klopp wouldn’t hate him for it. He’s been superb for us, hardly ever injured and a big game player!

      Love him
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      Reply #1024: Sep 23, 2020 07:53:57 pm
      Thiago makes the team better, but that doesn't equal the idea that Gini is no longer important. He still brings value.

      I think there’s something you don’t understand. Let me help you. ;D

      Based on an entirely new management style I learnt recently, which is really cutting edge, no one has used it yet, so modern, it’s going to be the next big trend over the next few years, every good manager is going to be doing like this...

      You bring in a Thiago. He walks into the first team. Someone loses his place at Thiago’s benefit. Because Thiago is also human, imperfect. He will have off days. When he does, punish him to the bench. Argue that there’s no one pushing him for the starting role and he’s getting complacent. Support your argument by saying there’s no one on the bench good enough to provide real competition for Thiago. Mention how poor your bench and the disappointing Thiago is. Talk down on your players.

      Then, the grass is always greener on the other side. Praise whichever team that looks infallible including the coaches and the players. Talk up every player outside of your own team as if your team is useless. Because it seems like only other players apart from your team are the solution. Advocate getting rid your bench in attempt to upgrade them to world class first team players. And to keep everyone happy, you’ll implement the buzzword called rotation as the answer. In actual fact, it’s punishment in the name of the great rotation.

      And you’re confident of telling these world class players they’ll be playing only 50% of all matches because you’ll need to keep the other world class lad happy. Or they’ll get to play when you decide to punish the other world class lad.

      Goals and appearance bonuses? This new management style has yet to incorporate it. So I guess the players remuneration will sort itself out automatically. Or you just tell them to suck it up and lose those because you decided to punish them.

      Hope enlightenment to this new unproven management style will help to explain why Gini is no longer important. It’s therefore important that we sell him now to collect back some ££££.

      Oh wait. I think I remember that I found perpetual success of this management style on a simulator. My team was invincible. 100% win rate. Partly because I cheated by not progressing if I dropped a single point.  :aaliverpool2xt1:

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