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      Reply #345: May 06, 2017 11:29:22 am
      I am not sure that it is me who missed the point...

      Would you say that we had a better team under Rafa reign. and that it got better than when he started...? and yet year in year out we achieved less and less in ways of Cups,Finals etc... We stopped  investing  in proven talent (and before you point out Suarez, remember he was not proven at the time) and under FSG that has continue, you can say that you don't care about other teams but unfortunately It is those other team we measure ourselves against... You feel that we have progressed simple because we have done better since BR. BR got us to 2nd in the league and a CL spot, and into the Europa League the year that we got to the finals...What as Klopp done so far...?Thing could have turned out quite differently Good management a players play a large part in things unfortunately I believe that we had (BR) and have (JK) two good managers being let down by the owners...  We need to start building a team to compete at a top four level and improve that team year in year out instead of being happy with fleeting successes. Then we would have seen progress



      Nope, definitely you missing the point.
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      Reply #346: May 06, 2017 12:00:07 pm
      United will have a midfield/forward line of (possibly): Mkhitaryan, Pogba (£90m), Griezman (£85m), Zlatan, and we know they'll strengthen with more than just Griezman.

      We cannot compete with that with FSG

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      Reply #347: May 06, 2017 12:02:27 pm
      United will have a midfield/forward line of (possibly): Mkhitaryan, Pogba (£90m), Griezman (£85m), Zlatan, and we know they'll strengthen with more than just Griezman.

      We cannot compete with that with FSG



      We can, we have done & will continue to do so...

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      Reply #348: May 06, 2017 12:16:41 pm
      United will have a midfield/forward line of (possibly): Mkhitaryan, Pogba (£90m), Griezman (£85m), Zlatan, and we know they'll strengthen with more than just Griezman.

      We cannot compete with that with FSG



      As we have seen though money paid for a player doesn't mean much, both mikhitaryan and pogba (despite some desperate efforts fron the manc media machine) have been very average this season. Most of our biggest money buys have hardly set the league on fire.
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      Reply #349: May 06, 2017 12:16:45 pm
      We can, we have done & will continue to do so...


      For the longest time we have never competed with them at their level, not ever. Not even close
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      Reply #350: May 06, 2017 12:18:33 pm
      As we have seen though money paid for a player doesn't mean much, both mikhitaryan and pogba (despite some desperate efforts fron the manc media machine) have been very average this season. Most of our biggest money buys have hardly set the league on fire.
      Agreed. But when a club can keep on spending the obscene amounts of money they do, law of averages dictates they'll strike it lucky more often than not.
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      Reply #351: May 06, 2017 01:25:43 pm
      Nope, definitely you missing the point.
      Hey!!... It happens  ;D
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      Reply #352: May 06, 2017 01:34:50 pm
      United will have a midfield/forward line of (possibly): Mkhitaryan, Pogba (£90m), Griezman (£85m), Zlatan, and we know they'll strengthen with more than just Griezman.

      We cannot compete with that with FSG


      Griezman is one of the 20 or so players rumoured on a weekly basis to be of interest/possibility/signing for the mancs, irrespective of the billions involved. It's F***ing bullshit by the manc loving media.

      True tho' we cannot compete with the big spenders under FSG..

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      Reply #353: May 06, 2017 02:29:17 pm
      Basing progress on what we had in BR some three season ago is hardly progress... It like Chelsea fans claiming that Antonio Conte is an improvement on Jose Mourinho because Chelsea finished in 10th place under Jose Mourinho...Or that because we reach to Finals we have somehow made progress... Any team can make a final ask 1997 Middlesbrough Team...Reached both League Cup and FA Cup finals and still relegated

      The Reason a draw attention to the likes of Viera, Henry, Bergkamp etc was that Arsenal spent money on players of quality to improve the squad know that it would increase the chance of success and off of that success titles,thorpies and Regular CL qualifications the built the stadium... Most of that money  came from CL qualifications and the games that followed and not from fleecing the fans....
      We have two blueprints to model Our Club on...

      Arsenals Blueprint:- So Invest in Quality, Increase your chances of success and build from there...

      FSG Blueprint... Have success...Invest in Young players, sell at a profit, repeat...

      I know who's blueprint I would follow... Or we hope for New owners willing to spend big

      Yet since Klopp took over we have had 2 finals and 3 wins away from being back in the Champions League. Compare that to the season before when we were getting smashed 6-1 by Stoke.
      Yeah, you're right, no progress at all.

      Yeah, you're right, No 6-1 by Stoke just a 2-0 lose to Burnley, 4-3 lost to Bournemouth after giving up a 3-1 lead...4 Premiere League games in January and not a single Win, and knock out of both Cups by Southampton and Wolves... But hey we have made progress


      Progress is building a team to compete consistanly for a top four postition and strengening that team every season
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      Re: Chinese State Owned Company Everbright
      Reply #354: May 06, 2017 02:36:34 pm
      As we have seen though money paid for a player doesn't mean much, both mikhitaryan and pogba (despite some desperate efforts fron the manc media machine) have been very average this season. Most of our biggest money buys have hardly set the league on fire.
      You're right, but I believe if you give them a season or two more together will be a force to contend with...
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      Reply #355: May 06, 2017 02:52:30 pm
      United will have a midfield/forward line of (possibly): Mkhitaryan, Pogba (£90m), Griezman (£85m), Zlatan, and we know they'll strengthen with more than just Griezman.

      We cannot compete with that with FSG



      AH! So Greizmann is the key! The viagra to that limp dick of an 'attack' we've seen this year! Cool.

      We have Coutinho, Mane, Firmino, Lallana. They can take their 300 gazillion dollar lemons and f**k off, we'll be winning the league and pissing in their tear drop flavoured beers.

      *Disclaimer: Beer at 11pm after a 13.5 hour work day makes me one a hell of an honest/biased/hopeful/delusional c**t of a fella.
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      Reply #356: May 06, 2017 07:37:14 pm
      In our heyday we never bought players to stop other teams buying them . That's bollocks. We always bought players who we believed fitted our style of play and who would enhance the team .
      It never happened . We bought players to play for LFC , not to stop Arsenal getting a good midfielder. Anyone believing this rubbish hasn't been watching Liverpool for the last 40 yrs.

      Agree to disagree
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      Reply #357: May 07, 2017 11:25:08 am
      I find it sad and a bit pathetic to have people wish and hope for a takeover of the club by owners that will "splash the cash". Do you really want to give in to the mentality of Manchester City and their oil money? To what United has become after Ferguson? Is anything acceptable as long as it gives us trophies? Do you want to practically buy them outright, like City did and United is trying to do? We almost won it a few years ago spending half of what City did. Leicester won it last year. Right now we are above (in the table) both Manchester teams which have become a symbol of what too many teams in football have become: buying enterprises with a "buy till you make it" motto. Sad.

      We have the coach to take us to great things. Look what he did with Dortmund. Am I saying we should not buy? Of course not. We have to buy, we have to get reinforcements. But we cannot buy an entire team or let money dominate over football itself. Over actually trying to train a group of people into a great team, instead of buying finished products like Real Madrid. One of the things I`m proudest of Liverpool as a club is that we have a sense of honor, of not being willing to sell our souls. I have seen this tarnished by what we have done to Southampton and by buying a certain Italian player, but I still believe we are better than many big successful clubs. If you had been a City fan your entire life, would you mindlessly celebrate the clubs recent successes knowing that they are in majority owing to money? I for one hope this never happens. The day we become Mansour City is the day I`ll take a break from football and start watching more NBA and their admirable salary-cap system.

      I've just read this, mate, and I am absolutely in agreement.  This shameless parade of people desperate to flog the club to a Chinese consortium they know nothing about is crazy. 

      FSG?  Yes they have their faults, and I'm not entirely convinced of their motives, but they have done some things that suggest that they give a hoot about the fans and the history (ticket price climb-down, staying at Anfield instead of new-build, turning up to the odd match).  Is their player recruitment model going to bring success?  Who knows?  Hasn't yet.

      But look at Venkys at Blackburn.  Look at that pillock at Hull a couple of years ago or the one at Cardiff, or Blackpool, or Mike Ashley.  They come in and do what they want, ride roughshod over the fans and the club for their own gain and aggrandisement.  How does anyone on here know the Chinese won't do the same? 
      Or we get what Mancfester City have, or Chelsea.  Buy success (now and then) at a cost to the soul of the club and the identity, and lose the local fans in favour of corporates and tourists (I know, it's started) or those who can afford £70+ a ticket.

      Right now, better the devil we know. 

      Is this supposed 'take-over bid' still a genuine prospect, anyway?  I haven't seen or heard anything on hear for months that suggests anyone knows anything about it, other than "Hooray, some foreigners say they want to give us loads of money and buy us success!" 

      Last time anyone offered ME a deal like that it was via email and it was some dodgy scammer in Nigeria... 
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      Reply #358: May 07, 2017 11:44:25 am
      Obviously China is becoming more important in the football world and to that end we should open a stall in Beijing market, Friday morning I believe and I'm told yer can get some cheap stuff in China to.
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      Reply #359: May 07, 2017 09:03:54 pm
      I find it sad and a bit pathetic to have people wish and hope for a takeover of the club by owners that will "splash the cash". Do you really want to give in to the mentality of Manchester City and their oil money? To what United has become after Ferguson? Is anything acceptable as long as it gives us trophies? Do you want to practically buy them outright, like City did and United is trying to do? We almost won it a few years ago spending half of what City did. Leicester won it last year. Right now we are above (in the table) both Manchester teams which have become a symbol of what too many teams in football have become: buying enterprises with a "buy till you make it" motto. Sad.

      We have the coach to take us to great things. Look what he did with Dortmund. Am I saying we should not buy? Of course not. We have to buy, we have to get reinforcements. But we cannot buy an entire team or let money dominate over football itself. Over actually trying to train a group of people into a great team, instead of buying finished products like Real Madrid. One of the things I`m proudest of Liverpool as a club is that we have a sense of honor, of not being willing to sell our souls. I have seen this tarnished by what we have done to Southampton and by buying a certain Italian player, but I still believe we are better than many big successful clubs. If you had been a City fan your entire life, would you mindlessly celebrate the clubs recent successes knowing that they are in majority owing to money? I for one hope this never happens. The day we become Mansour City is the day I`ll take a break from football and start watching more NBA and their admirable salary-cap system.
      Your thoughts are admirable but that how things have gone nowadays you need to splash the cash to have a chance of success...One thing should please you though "Splashing The Cash" does not automatically grantee success it just helps to level the playing field, unless you want us to do a Leicester first title since they were formed in 1884...136 years ago in which case you only have to wait until 2126 till we are once again crowed Champions of England  :kop5cf8koxp6:
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      Re: Chinese State Owned Company Everbright
      Reply #360: May 08, 2017 04:58:40 pm
      United will have a midfield/forward line of (possibly): Mkhitaryan, Pogba (£90m), Griezman (£85m), Zlatan, and we know they'll strengthen with more than just Griezman.

      We cannot compete with that with FSG



      Yet other than Ibra for spells this season, they have been sh*te. just goes to show money spent isn't everything.

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