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      tommym9
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      Oct 22, 2016 03:08:24 pm
      Hi All,

      I understand the sensitivity of the standing debate with the Hillsborough verdict coming back recently. I don't want to cause any offence by raising the issue of safe standing.

      I've started a petition to get parliament to debate safe standing. If you could take a minute to sign and share it that would be amazing.

      Lots of people stand all game at present so why not let them do that safely? Clubs want it, fans want it and Germany has it so why not sign the petition:

      petition.parliament.uk/petitions/169323

      Cheers

      Tom
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      Re: Safe Standing
      Reply #1: Oct 22, 2016 04:00:05 pm
      Just so the clubs can make more money from the cattle?

      I won't be signing.
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      Re: Safe Standing
      Reply #2: Nov 09, 2016 05:28:38 pm
      Signed.

      If it's done like it is in Germany and like Celtic have done, I'd love to see that on the kop, won't happen like, but would improve the atmosphere at Anfield quite a lot.
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      Reply #3: Nov 09, 2016 08:32:24 pm
      Signed.

      If it's done like it is in Germany and like Celtic have done, I'd love to see that on the kop, won't happen like, but would improve the atmosphere at Anfield quite a lot.

      Surely it should be done on a club by club basis,as a regular who stood on our old KOP I never felt threatened.I will never forget being in the KOP with my DAD who was pretty ill at the time  and we were about 30 steps up behind the KOP goal.During the match he started feeling really ill and could not get his breath,other fans saw this and cleared a pathway to the back of the KOP were he got fresh air.The help we got that day was fantastic and I would never be afraid of standing as it used to be on the old KOP
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      Reply #4: Nov 12, 2016 12:19:20 pm
      I don't know how you felt back then, but when I watch the "surge" down the terrace after goals scored into the Kop in the 70's era, even after the fence was erected in 1978, I often wonder how that was not considered unsafe back then.

      Safe standing is safe. But it's a sensitive issue here, and I know Margaret Aspinall would be disgusted at any form of standing, so for her and the families sake, I would prefer if it wasn't introduced here.
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      Reply #5: Nov 12, 2016 01:09:51 pm
      I don't know how you felt back then, but when I watch the "surge" down the terrace after goals scored into the Kop in the 70's era, even after the fence was erected in 1978, I often wonder how that was not considered unsafe back then.

      Safe standing is safe. But it's a sensitive issue here, and I know Margaret Aspinall would be disgusted at any form of standing, so for her and the families sake, I would prefer if it wasn't introduced here.

      It's not as though it'll all be open though. Each row has a bar in front of it so that people can't move down the stands. Let's not pretend that people don't stand up for most of a game on the Kop.
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      Reply #6: Nov 12, 2016 01:11:18 pm
      I don't know how you felt back then, but when I watch the "surge" down the terrace after goals scored into the Kop in the 70's era, even after the fence was erected in 1978, I often wonder how that was not considered unsafe back then.

      Safe standing is safe. But it's a sensitive issue here, and I know Margaret Aspinall would be disgusted at any form of standing, so for her and the families sake, I would prefer if it wasn't introduced here.

      I remember back in the day standing on the Kop and it was imperative when choosing your speck, if possible and you got in early enough, so you stood in front of a barrier to prevent the surge lifting you off your feet and carrying you forward.
      Even so with all the movement of the crowd you ended up inevitably with no barrier behind you and you were subject to the massive forward pressure taking you off your feet. The lack of space between the crowd meant it was virtually impossible to fall with the horrifying implications seen at Hillsborough.
      The capacity of the Kop was born in mind and admission controlled, unlike Hillsborough when the Leppings Lane stand was allowed to fill to critical levels endangering the safety of those poor souls enclosed in it's barriers; that is the crux of the negligence claim against the police.

      The Kop had no such barriers to prevent escaping an emergency.
      There was never seen a catastrophe with the same affecting factors at Anfield or for that matter any ground.
      There were no barriers like those at Hillsborough at that time anywhere in the country, indeed on some old newsreel of big games spectators can be seen around the edges of pitch, in the days when admission numbers were not monitored.

      The great debate about standing at football grounds could be seen as yet another distraction from the deplorable actions of the police and football authorities at Hillsborough, the implication being of course that they were not entirely to blame while this debate continues about standing, sitting, barriers, surges etc etc.
      It does seem to be working for those who actually are to blame - 26 years and counting and nobody called to account for the deaths of 96 innocents.
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      Reply #7: Nov 12, 2016 01:56:58 pm
      Margaret Aspinall would be disgusted at any form of standing

      Margaret didn't even realise that people still stand at games now everywhere is all seater. 

      Sure she'll be disgusted at the thought we're possibly considering introducing it, she doesn't agree with standing at football matches in any shape or form so maybe shock tactics are needed for her to realise "safe standing" for those who want to stand is safer than standing as they do now.

      Put her in the top of the Kop, or wherever most people stand all game, then take her to Dortmund to experience safe standing there and let her see for herself which is safer.  I guess she'd be mortified at the risks some of our fans put themselves in at games.

      It's a minefield for us as a Club to tiptoe through after Hillsborough but dear god, surely they must realise by now that it wasn't standing that killed and injured hundreds of fans but the pens they were herded into.

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      Reply #8: Nov 12, 2016 03:27:36 pm
      I think we understand why she would be horrified at this club introducing safe standing. She doesn't really give a hoot about atmosphere tbh. Her main concern is that everyone comes home safe, and if that means no standing, then that's what it means.

      I'm aware that safe standing gives you your own crush barrier and is safe. But I think we should not consider the issue until the HFSG approves of it, and I can't see that happening anytime soon.
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      Reply #9: Nov 12, 2016 05:39:29 pm
      I am all for for standing at football grounds, I personal can not stand sitting at matches, no pun intended. At the pub I stand, even at home, I prefer to stand.

      We all know that standing was not the issue at Hillsborough, but the Police, the FA, SWFC who failed the fans on that fateful day.

      If you disagree, which is fine, but how can you explain being allowed to stand on a bus traveling at 40mph, or even a train at over 100mph, unsecured, with no air bags or crumple zones.

      Standing in seated areas is very hazardous, little leg room if you are pushed, loose your balance, and nothing to grab except someone else who is not supported either, domino effect per say.

      I fully respect others views on this matter, but I'd like it back.

      Poll added.



      Of course, it should & must be remembered, that the majority of tickets would be seated, and there is a second question, what about the away fans?
      « Last Edit: Nov 12, 2016 06:04:30 pm by RedPuppy »
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      Reply #10: Nov 12, 2016 05:58:56 pm
      I am all for for standing at football grounds, I personal can not stand sitting at matches, no pun intended. At the pub I stand, even at home, I prefer to stand.

      We all know that standing was not the issue at Hillsborough, but the Police, the FA, SWFC who failed the fans on that fateful day.

      If you disagree, which is fine, but how can you explain being allowed to stand on a bus traveling at 40mph, or even a train at over 100mph, unsecured, with no air bags or crumple zones.

      Standing in seated areas is very hazardous, little leg room if you are pushed, loose your balance, and nothing to grab except someone else who is not supported either, domino effect per say.

      I fully respect others views on this matter, but I'd like it back.

      Poll added.

      I was in two minds about this earlier, remembering the times I was squashed, and left the game bruised as a young lad after, perhaps foolishly, standing at the front and getting pushed against a fence during a surge, but you're right here.

      I'd like to see standing area's again, as it seems there's much more passion and noise when a lot of people are standing together.
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      Reply #11: Nov 13, 2016 11:18:31 am
      If I thought the genuine intention of all of this was to create a more atmospheric football experience for punters then I'd consider it.

      But I don't.

      More bodies in with lower overheads = more revenue.

      Good luck to those who fancy it. Not for me.
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      Reply #12: Nov 13, 2016 11:24:22 am
      There is nothing wrong with the way safe standing operates in many other countries.  And you could argue that the manner in which fans at Anfield - especially at the back of the Kop is fairly unsafe standing.

      I've been to plenty of games at Anfield in recent years where I have stood for the majority if not all of the game and there will be plenty on here who have too.

      Standing already happens - let's make it safe.

      Everybody on here knows that standing was not the cause of the Hillsborough disaster.  Fences, overcrowding caused by a failure in police control and an unacceptable response by all the emergency services was.

      If I thought the genuine intention of all of this was to create a more atmospheric football experience for punters then I'd consider it.

      But I don't.

      More bodies in with lower overheads = more revenue.

      Good luck to those who fancy it. Not for me.

      It may well allow more punters in and more money for the clubs, whether they charge the same price for the ticket is a a matter for them and whether people think it's reasonable.  And it may well make the atmosphere better for those who want to stand. 

      I'm not against the idea just because the clubs might make money out of it.  If someone is paying £50 for a seat they don't use then it's a good thing for them to pay less to do what they're doing?
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      Reply #13: Nov 13, 2016 11:50:30 am
      There is nothing wrong with the way safe standing operates in many other countries.  And you could argue that the manner in which fans at Anfield - especially at the back of the Kop is fairly unsafe standing.

      I've been to plenty of games at Anfield in recent years where I have stood for the majority if not all of the game and there will be plenty on here who have too.

      Standing already happens - let's make it safe.

      Everybody on here knows that standing was not the cause of the Hillsborough disaster.  Fences, overcrowding caused by a failure in police control and an unacceptable response by all the emergency services was.

      It may well allow more punters in and more money for the clubs, whether they charge the same price for the ticket is a a matter for them and whether people think it's reasonable.  And it may well make the atmosphere better for those who want to stand. 

      I'm not against the idea just because the clubs might make money out of it.  If someone is paying £50 for a seat they don't use then it's a good thing for them to pay less to do what they're doing?

      I hear you JD and I've stood many times back in the day - Anfield, Hampden, Wembley, Parkhead etc etc........big crowds and it wasn't always fun. Nor was it contantly terrifying either. However...........

      My neighbour died in the Ibrox disaster - I never knew the man but his boy couldn't go to football again. Now with two teenage boys of my own, one of whom goes to Parkhead fornightly with his Grandad, I honestly think it's better as is.

      I'm not saying it's wrong per se - though, personally, I think it's sponsored by clubs for the wrong reasons - it's just a bridge for me that I won't / can't cross.

      I'm not evangelical or anything about it - just think it's one of those that you have an emotional reaction for/against.

      Edit: I know that many on here will have experienced or known someone who experienced Hillsborough personally so I don't reference Ibrox glibly. Merely my personal starting point.......
      « Last Edit: Nov 13, 2016 01:16:29 pm by Scotia »
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      Reply #14: Nov 13, 2016 03:33:45 pm


      Of course, it should & must be remembered, that the majority of tickets would be seated, and there is a second question, what about the away fans?

      All the away fans stand at Anfield anyway, and whenever I go to away games, we all stand as well....I don't see the problem.

      Having been a season ticket holder on the old standing Kop with 25,000 kopites around, the atmosphere was boss, part and parcel of the game as you ended up a dozen steps further down the Kop, now I have a season ticket on a seated kop with 12,500 kopites and of course the atmosphere isn't the same unless its a big game or we're playing a big club when all the Kop stands anyway, like JD said, let's make standing safe as it's already done all over.

      There will always be people for and against standing, as it's personal choice at the end of the day.

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      Reply #15: Nov 14, 2016 06:46:58 am
      It's not as though it'll all be open though. Each row has a bar in front of it so that people can't move down the stands. Let's not pretend that people don't stand up for most of a game on the Kop.

      Good point, and a lot of people don't seem to take into account that fencing is longer in place.
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      Reply #16: Nov 14, 2016 01:12:41 pm
      If anyone can point me to a link where there has been fatalities directly from standing I would like to see it because I can't find any. Get back to standing but obviously make sure everything is organised properly.
      « Last Edit: Nov 14, 2016 01:41:14 pm by althebest1 »
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      Reply #17: May 02, 2017 08:27:48 pm
      In two years time it will be 30 years since that April day .

      Memories will never fade and the 96 will be in our hearts forever .

      I have read every post on this thread and agree with most of we ex Kopites me being a sixties boy when I first started standing on the Kop.

      The ritual of getting off the 510 at Shiel Road ice rink , walking down to the ground with my mates and climbing up to get our spec and it was only half one on match day .
      The grass looked incredible. Pure technicolour.

      Ciggies had to go in the top pocket of my denim jacket otherwise wouldn't be able to get to them when the match was on.
      The surges.  Just went with them and then scrambled back up.

      So.

      Thats what it was and no one got hurt.
      21,000 nearly half the capacity of the ground in one end.

      My own feelings and in full respect and sensitivity to the families of the 96 I believe that standing should return .

      It wasnt standing that caused the tragedy . The verdicts prove that .

      The advances we have made with Health and Safety   CCTV  and other positive safeguards would allow us to return the Kop to standing as it was for nearly 100 years.

      The Kop is Liverpool .

      Liverpool is the Kop .

      Its the DNA of Matchday and I think it should return.


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      Reply #18: May 03, 2017 06:16:51 pm
      In two years time it will be 30 years since that April day .

      Memories will never fade and the 96 will be in our hearts forever .

      I have read every post on this thread and agree with most of we ex Kopites me being a sixties boy when I first started standing on the Kop.

      The ritual of getting off the 510 at Shiel Road ice rink , walking down to the ground with my mates and climbing up to get our spec and it was only half one on match day .
      The grass looked incredible. Pure technicolour.

      Ciggies had to go in the top pocket of my denim jacket otherwise wouldn't be able to get to them when the match was on.
      The surges.  Just went with them and then scrambled back up.

      So.

      Thats what it was and no one got hurt.
      21,000 nearly half the capacity of the ground in one end.

      My own feelings and in full respect and sensitivity to the families of the 96 I believe that standing should return .

      It wasnt standing that caused the tragedy . The verdicts prove that .

      The advances we have made with Health and Safety   CCTV  and other positive safeguards would allow us to return the Kop to standing as it was for nearly 100 years.

      The Kop is Liverpool .

      Liverpool is the Kop .

      Its the DNA of Matchday and I think it should return.




      Have to agree with you there MIRO, the kop all stand anyway for the big games, so I don't think it makes any difference, and I don't care what anyone says, the atmosphere is always better when standing.
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      Reply #19: May 03, 2017 09:53:25 pm
      Celtic have shown it can work, a few, thousand seats at the back of the Kop would be awesome.
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      Reply #20: May 03, 2017 10:04:17 pm
      Celtic have shown it can work, a few, thousand seats at the back of the Kop would be awesome.

      How about the whole stand?

      We all stand anyway as Ms G has said for the big games, cup games, Europe etc!!
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      Reply #21: May 04, 2017 05:05:46 am
      How about the whole stand?

      We all stand anyway as Ms G has said for the big games, cup games, Europe etc!!

      Eventually, but I think it would need to be phased in.
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      Reply #22: May 04, 2017 10:39:54 am
      I am only a little guy, obviously prefer a seat, although at the same time recognise the fans desire to stand, especially in the Kop at Liverpool. Therefore I would certainly accept safe standing for the fans wishing to stand. Whilst those fans like myself can still sit down, on the increasingly rare occasions that I can visit Anfield.
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      Reply #23: May 04, 2017 12:42:50 pm
      I am only a little guy, obviously prefer a seat, although at the same time recognise the fans desire to stand, especially in the Kop at Liverpool. Therefore I would certainly accept safe standing for the fans wishing to stand. Whilst those fans like myself can still sit down, on the increasingly rare occasions that I can visit Anfield.

      You could always do what I did in the late 70's. Take your own milk create and stand on that.

      Seriously that's what we could do back then.
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      Reply #24: May 04, 2017 12:50:01 pm
      You could always do what I did in the late 70's. Take your own milk create and stand on that.

      Seriously that's what we could do back then.

      Knowing my luck, I would fall off, then things would turn a bit sour. Although see your point.
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      Reply #25: May 04, 2017 10:09:03 pm
      Knowing my luck, I would fall off, then things would turn a bit sour. Although see your point.

      Baaaaaaaaaaa dummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm tishhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhh!!

      I see what you did there and I like it ;)
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      Reply #27: Jul 23, 2017 08:14:25 pm
      It's a no brainer this. Should have been introduced ages ago at PL level.
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      Reply #29: May 24, 2018 02:23:02 pm
      Not sure where this should go. Looked and didn't find anything about the subject. Apologies if there is already a thread or it should go onto another board.

      Wondering how you veterans of terraces feel about this?

      https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/24/shrewsbury-safe-standing-league-one-rail-seating-rotherham-play-off-final

      For those who have only known all-seaters, how is what they are doing different than the old days? It looks like there is a barrier at every row which, stories from fans seem to indicate was not the case back then.

      « Last Edit: May 24, 2018 02:45:47 pm by redkenny, Reason: Altered title for relevance to the Kop »
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      Reply #30: May 24, 2018 02:53:38 pm
      Not sure where this should go. Looked and didn't find anything about the subject. Apologies if there is already a thread or it should go onto another board.

      Wondering how you veterans of terraces feel about this?

      https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/24/shrewsbury-safe-standing-league-one-rail-seating-rotherham-play-off-final

      For those who have only known all-seaters, how is what they are doing different than the old days? It looks like there is a barrier at every row which, stories from fans seem to indicate was not the case back then.



      Found it in here so merged for you, mate.

      Heard about this through the media the other day. Encouraging stuff.

      Think you've asked the right questions in regards to this as there'll be a lot of people in here who used to go to the game before all seating was installed.

      When I used to stand in the Kop, I used to love the feeling of being part of a crowd if that makes sense? I think it spurs on a togetherness nature more than everyone just sitting there observing.

      If it was introduced to Anfield in the future, I would be all for it.

      We must always take into account the thoughts of family, friends and survivors of Hillsborough, though.
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      Reply #31: May 24, 2018 03:52:12 pm
      Not sure where this should go. Looked and didn't find anything about the subject. Apologies if there is already a thread or it should go onto another board.

      Wondering how you veterans of terraces feel about this?

      https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/24/shrewsbury-safe-standing-league-one-rail-seating-rotherham-play-off-final

      For those who have only known all-seaters, how is what they are doing different than the old days? It looks like there is a barrier at every row which, stories from fans seem to indicate was not the case back then.



      Having stood on the old kop, the difference with the rail-seating is that it isn't terracing. It's like going the match now only having that bar in front to lean on while standing in your seat space.

      Still can't believe this wasn't looked into for the premier league clubs.
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      Reply #32: May 24, 2018 08:44:00 pm
      Having stood on the old kop, the difference with the rail-seating is that it isn't terracing. It's like going the match now only having that bar in front to lean on while standing in your seat space.

      Still can't believe this wasn't looked into for the premier league clubs.

      Using Shrewsbury as a trial balloon perhaps?
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      Reply #33: May 24, 2018 09:46:17 pm
      Using Shrewsbury as a trial balloon perhaps?


      Hahaha I love some of the phrases Americans use!!

      I think we'd refer to it as a trial run :laugh:
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      Reply #34: May 24, 2018 10:20:44 pm
      I started going in the Kop in when I was about 13 I was smart enough to stand with the barrier to my back and I never ever felt unsafe.
      I think the Kop held 25,000 in those days imagine the noise it could make compared to half that capacity now.
      Its not going to happen now these are different days and understandably a lot of people feel very uneasy at standing sections.
      The truth is and the practicalities are that people stand when the team attacks the end your sitting and I challenge anyone to remain seated when we are in full flow. Asking people to remain seated is just nonsense
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      Reply #35: May 25, 2018 07:27:04 pm
      Have been in the standing section while on a tour of Bayern Munich,s ground and it felt very safe to me, defiantly the way forward

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