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      Liverpool 0-0 Plymouth Argyle: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Plymouth Argyle: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #391: Jan 09, 2017 08:24:54 pm
      Oops. To quick with the "post" button.......old age and all that! For my two penneth, Plymouth came with a well drilled game plan (and stuck to it - fair play to them). We couldn't break them down (and boring it was). Clearly a 'pay day + (depending on a draw) for them' but that is the FA Cup. IMHO, still no better competition in the world where "pub teams" (bit unfair that) compete against, let's face it, the 'Elite' so to speak! Fair play to their fans too.........best I've heard for a long long time. I know this is their cup final but I also know they have amazing support wherever they go. I'm not worried about the replay. We have way too much class to lose!
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Plymouth Argyle: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #392: Jan 09, 2017 08:27:02 pm
      Oops. To quick with the "post" button.......old age and all that! For my two penneth, Plymouth came with a well drilled game plan (and stuck to it - fair play to them). We couldn't break them down (and boring it was). Clearly a 'pay day + (depending on a draw) for them' but that is the FA Cup. IMHO, still no better competition in the world where "pub teams" (bit unfair that) compete against, let's face it, the 'Elite' so to speak! Fair play to their fans too.........best I've heard for a long long time. I know this is their cup final but I also know they have amazing support wherever they go. I'm not worried about the replay. We have way too much class to lose!
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      Fair assessment that Sharpy, welcome to the forum.
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      Reply #393: Jan 09, 2017 08:39:20 pm
      Fair assessment that Sharpy, welcome to the forum.
      Thank you 😀 All new to me'!!
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Plymouth Argyle: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #394: Jan 09, 2017 10:16:08 pm
      After watching the game I was a tad disappointed but the young lads did alright,so I'm not going to go off on one about "league 2 opponents "and all that sh*te.
      Play it again Jürgen as I'm sure those lads will do you proud in the replay.
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      Reply #395: Jan 09, 2017 10:24:28 pm
      Hi all - Argyle fan in peace.

      I've been reading this thread as I always like to read the opposition view of the game. It wasn't a classic from a footballing point of view, but it's one of our greatest ever results. Sure, it wasn't your strongest team but give us some credit - your subs were Lallana, Firmino and Sturridge! And don't forget, Emre Can probably earns more than our entire squad combined.

      We almost lost our football club a few years back due to piss poor management in the board room and it's moments like this that remind you why you fell in love with the sport in the first place. You're not just another Premier League football club. You're Liverpool FC. You've won the European Cup five times. I don't need to tell you about our major honours list. There isn't one...

      Anyway, thank you for the weekend all. The hospitality not only at Anfield, but in the whole city, was tremendous. The reception to Gary Miller when he went off on the stretcher was fantastic and Klopp was a class act at the end shaking the hand of every Argyle player.

      I'd wish you all the best for the trip to Home Park, but I feel it's us that needs all the luck!
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Plymouth Argyle: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #396: Jan 09, 2017 10:28:23 pm
      Hi all - Argyle fan in peace.

      I've been reading this thread as I always like to read the opposition view of the game. It wasn't a classic from a footballing point of view, but it's one of our greatest ever results. Sure, it wasn't your strongest team but give us some credit - your subs were Lallana, Firmino and Sturridge! And don't forget, Emre Can probably earns more than our entire squad combined.

      We almost lost our football club a few years back due to piss poor management in the board room and it's moments like this that remind you why you fell in love with the sport in the first place. You're not just another Premier League football club. You're Liverpool FC. You've won the European Cup five times. I don't need to tell you about our major honours list. There isn't one...

      Anyway, thank you for the weekend all. The hospitality not only at Anfield, but in the whole city, was tremendous. The reception to Gary Miller when he went off on the stretcher was fantastic and Klopp was a class act at the end shaking the hand of every Argyle player.

      I'd wish you all the best for the trip to Home Park, but I feel it's us that needs all the luck!

      All the best for the return leg PL, hope we give you a good hiding and then it's on to promotion for you! :D

      It was a fantastic result for your lads and they fought manfully for every inch of turf in those final 18 yards (just kidding!). Really like hearing from opposition fans, even more so when so respectful like yourself, cheers.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Plymouth Argyle: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #397: Jan 09, 2017 10:36:21 pm
      Hi all - Argyle fan in peace.

      I've been reading this thread as I always like to read the opposition view of the game. It wasn't a classic from a footballing point of view, but it's one of our greatest ever results. Sure, it wasn't your strongest team but give us some credit - your subs were Lallana, Firmino and Sturridge! And don't forget, Emre Can probably earns more than our entire squad combined.

      We almost lost our football club a few years back due to piss poor management in the board room and it's moments like this that remind you why you fell in love with the sport in the first place. You're not just another Premier League football club. You're Liverpool FC. You've won the European Cup five times. I don't need to tell you about our major honours list. There isn't one...

      Anyway, thank you for the weekend all. The hospitality not only at Anfield, but in the whole city, was tremendous. The reception to Gary Miller when he went off on the stretcher was fantastic and Klopp was a class act at the end shaking the hand of every Argyle player.

      I'd wish you all the best for the trip to Home Park, but I feel it's us that needs all the luck!

      Welcome.

      Your credit is in the result you got.

      And we need to be better in the replay if we want to beat you.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Plymouth Argyle: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #398: Jan 09, 2017 10:41:28 pm
      Hi all - Argyle fan in peace.

      I've been reading this thread as I always like to read the opposition view of the game. It wasn't a classic from a footballing point of view, but it's one of our greatest ever results. Sure, it wasn't your strongest team but give us some credit - your subs were Lallana, Firmino and Sturridge! And don't forget, Emre Can probably earns more than our entire squad combined.

      We almost lost our football club a few years back due to piss poor management in the board room and it's moments like this that remind you why you fell in love with the sport in the first place. You're not just another Premier League football club. You're Liverpool FC. You've won the European Cup five times. I don't need to tell you about our major honours list. There isn't one...

      Anyway, thank you for the weekend all. The hospitality not only at Anfield, but in the whole city, was tremendous. The reception to Gary Miller when he went off on the stretcher was fantastic and Klopp was a class act at the end shaking the hand of every Argyle player.

      I'd wish you all the best for the trip to Home Park, but I feel it's us that needs all the luck!

      Again, congratulations on getting such a great result not only for the fans and the players but also financially. I think I read that you get £1m as a result of that draw yesterday, no doubt that sum of money could help your club tremendously.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Plymouth Argyle: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #399: Jan 09, 2017 11:32:00 pm
      My main issue with yesterday was why we played that young a team. Was it really because we wanted to or because we had to?

      Squad depth looks a bit sh*te doesn't it?
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      Reply #400: Jan 09, 2017 11:40:09 pm
      My main issue with yesterday was why we played that young a team. Was it really because we wanted to or because we had to?

      Squad depth looks a bit sh*te doesn't it?

      We had 7 games scheduled for this month excluding the 4th round FA Cup game and now the replay of the 3rd rd game. Something had to give and I'd rather it be a home game against Plymouth in a game that we have a second crack at than a semi-final game against Southampton or any league game. No team in the league has more games than us this month. It doesn't help when you have no Matip, Moreno at LB who isn't very reliable, a young kid as back up RB, no Coutinho, no Mane, no Henderson etc.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Plymouth Argyle: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #401: Jan 09, 2017 11:42:55 pm
      We had 7 games scheduled for this month excluding the 4th round FA Cup game and now the replay of the 3rd rd game. Something had to give and I'd rather it be a home game against Plymouth in a game that we have a second crack at than a semi-final game against Southampton or any league game. No team in the league has more games than us this month. It doesn't help when you have no Matip, Moreno at LB who isn't very reliable, a young kid as back up RB, no Coutinho, no Mane, no Henderson etc.

      Something else also gave - at the Stadium of light.
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      Reply #402: Jan 09, 2017 11:44:20 pm
      Positive way of looking at it is that it's another game. Hopefully we will get a comfortable win, another clean sheet and build to whatever momentum we have going at the time.
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      Reply #403: Jan 10, 2017 12:08:22 am
      We had 7 games scheduled for this month excluding the 4th round FA Cup game and now the replay of the 3rd rd game. Something had to give and I'd rather it be a home game against Plymouth in a game that we have a second crack at than a semi-final game against Southampton or any league game. No team in the league has more games than us this month. It doesn't help when you have no Matip, Moreno at LB who isn't very reliable, a young kid as back up RB, no Coutinho, no Mane, no Henderson etc.

      You've missed the point.
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      Reply #404: Jan 10, 2017 12:09:52 am
      Weren't we all going on about how great the squad depth is back when we beat Spurs in the League cup? Surely it's not changed since then! ;)

      Klopp has said he won't sign players if he thinks we've got a kid coming through in the same position so it's good to get so many of them out on the pitch for him to assess before the summer window.
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      Reply #405: Jan 10, 2017 01:03:10 am
      Weren't we all going on about how great the squad depth is back when we beat Spurs in the League cup? Surely it's not changed since then! ;)

      Had Origi's goal not been ruled out then I expect we would have got the win and doubt it would even be an issue.
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      Reply #406: Jan 10, 2017 01:15:05 am
      Weren't we all going on about how great the squad depth is back when we beat Spurs in the League cup? Surely it's not changed since then! ;)

      Klopp has said he won't sign players if he thinks we've got a kid coming through in the same position so it's good to get so many of them out on the pitch for him to assess before the summer window.

      No, not all of us.

      That was part of the honeymoon period where people were trying to kid themselves what an awesome an squad we have.

      It was as much of a myth back then as it is now with the chickens coming home to roost.
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      Reply #407: Jan 10, 2017 01:58:45 am
      Quote from mcarz
      We had 7 games scheduled for this month excluding the 4th round FA Cup game and now the replay of the 3rd rd game. Something had to give and I'd rather it be a home game against Plymouth in a game that we have a second crack at than a semi-final game against Southampton or any league game. No team in the league has more games than us this month.

      How many games do Plymouth have this month? More or less the same probably.  And remember their league is a marathon 46 games, usually 2 games a week, and they have to cope. They also had to win a replay in extra time, just to get this far.

      The Southampton game is two legs. We don't have to win the away one, just need to bring home a good result to finish the job off at home. We did have to beat Plymouth, still do, and our first team would have done that, probably before half time, even with their tactics. But we didn't play our first team, we played our reserves who were ultimately not up to the job of dealing with Plymouth at home. Now we have an extra game and the tried and trusted have to get the job done instead.

      The general scheduling is nothing special at this time of year, it's to be expected and prepared for. January is always busy. It's Klopp's job to have adequate cover should it be needed, as it usually is.
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      Reply #408: Jan 10, 2017 03:03:38 am
      No, not all of us.

      That was part of the honeymoon period where people were trying to kid themselves what an awesome an squad we have.

      It was as much of a myth back then as it is now with the chickens coming home to roost.
      As I am led to believe, the honeymoon period only comes when a manager just joins, and starts getting the results instantly(as we did at the back end of 2015). Not sure if we genuinely play well, you can term it as a honeymoon period.

      You have like 5 starters missing from the first team(due to injuries), and still you have a good starting 11 and a few bench options. Not sure what you want to imply with the second "honeymoon period", and we don't have squad depth or you just want to be termed as "the other side" just for the sake of it.
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      Reply #409: Jan 10, 2017 03:26:23 am
      How many games do Plymouth have this month? More or less the same probably.  And remember their league is a marathon 46 games, usually 2 games a week, and they have to cope. They also had to win a replay in extra time, just to get this far.

      The Southampton game is two legs. We don't have to win the away one, just need to bring home a good result to finish the job off at home. We did have to beat Plymouth, still do, and our first team would have done that, probably before half time, even with their tactics. But we didn't play our first team, we played our reserves who were ultimately not up to the job of dealing with Plymouth at home. Now we have an extra game and the tried and trusted have to get the job done instead based off the schedule that we have.

      The general scheduling is nothing special at this time of year, it's to be expected and prepared for. January is always busy. It's Klopp's job to have adequate cover should it be needed, as it usually is.

      They have 7 games but their league is nowhere even close to being played at a similar pace or intensity, football at that level is pretty slow so you can't compare them. Plymouth fans said as much on their forum after watching the Everton vs Southampton game. You say the tried and trusted have to get the job done instead but you have no idea what team will play that game, it'll no doubt be a very similar team to the home game.

      It's hard to plan for something when you suffer injuries or experience the absences of some very key players. There's an argument to be made for not playing all of the kids at the same time but we had Karius, Lucas, Moreno, Can, Stewart & Origi in that team and they were some of the poorest players on the day.
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      Reply #410: Jan 10, 2017 07:08:21 am

      It's hard to plan for something when you suffer injuries or experience the absences of some very key players. There's an argument to be made for not playing all of the kids at the same time but we had Karius, Lucas, Moreno, Can, Stewart & Origi in that team and they were some of the poorest players on the day.

      Take Coutinho out of the mix and add up the cost of these 'senior squad' players we have available and the ones who are unavailable and also sum them up in terms of ability.

      Not sure how key they are either.

      Nobody will tell me our squad doesn't need improving and coaching.
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      Reply #411: Jan 10, 2017 07:36:20 am
      Again, congratulations on getting such a great result not only for the fans and the players but also financially. I think I read that you get £1m as a result of that draw yesterday, no doubt that sum of money could help your club tremendously.
      The club owner reckons it's worth £1m to us, yes. That's 20% of our turnover!

      That's why I don't believe this nonsense about the magic of the FA Cup vanishing. Not too long ago our staff and players were working for free, because simply put, we couldn't afford to pay them. Peter Reid (sorry for the mention!) was selling his FA Cup medal and paying the utility bills out of his own pocket. We were rattling buckets at games home and away. We might be a small club, but it's our club, and we weren't far away at all from losing it all.

      Fast forward to the present day and in the last six months we've played at Wembley and will have played Liverpool twice. A new investor on the board (Argyle fan nontheless!) has just put in £5m to redevelop an old stand of ours and we're sat in 2nd place in the division. We just signed our first transfer for a fee (£25,000) in years and I believe it was Derek Adams first as a manager.

      So will lower league clubs playing for a draw ever kill off the FA Cup? Will it heck!

      If you ever fancy loaning us Woodburn though, it would be most appreciated! Good luck for the rest of the season.
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      Reply #412: Jan 10, 2017 09:26:25 am
      Hello

      Another Plymouth fan in peace........

      My first trip to Liverpool. The people were very friendly. Nobody could be more helpful. Even the police at Anfield were laughing and joking with the younger Argyle fans as were queued up.

      It didn't really matter about the result. It was a chance to go to a big club, a great stadium and play against one of the most iconic teams in English football. So really none of us wanted to see our side thrashed but at the same time there was very little pressure on the team and the management. That factor alone helps the players stay relaxed because for them it was probably the biggest match, in terms of standard of the opposition, that a lot of them had faced.

      You see whilst you did field a number of youngsters, Argyle finished the match with a number of youngsters themselves or players with very little football league experience.

      In the summer our squad was totally thread-bare. Most players had left and so Adams had to find around 15+ new professionals to create a squad to be competitive at league two level. To knit a squad together that has us in the top 3 of league two is a fantastic achievement after less than six months. So for us Argyle fans to witness those players who put in such an organised and well drilled display on sunday it really was a fabulous achievement because that is a team made up of free transfer journeyman, rejects & promising youngsters. The latter of which has also seen another two players in Garita and Tanner added to by loan market.

      If you watched Argyle this year, especially at home, you will see our strength in the team is in our fitness, character and never say die attitude. We have played some decent football but if I am honest most of the games have been about scraping and fighting hard to get over the line to obtain a result.

      So when we rock up to Anfield it was never going to be any different than unfortunately what you guys were going to witness. We would all love to be on the front foot, playing some decent football and having a go but unfortunately you would tear us apart. So we did what we know how to do well. Make the game a scrap and a fight.  My only problem with Argyle's tactics was I personally did not like the fact we didn't press the ball. Way too much time and space for the ball player to ping a pass to. In fact in that first 30 minutes I felt like it was only a matter of time before you guys scored because we were so deep and yet you still managed to get around the back of us. Fortunately, McCormick either pulled off a good save or the ball rebounded off in the wrong direction and went to an Argyle shirt.

      Yet we stood firm with the tactics and got through to half time.

      I did think in the second half we had more intent about going forward. Again it wasn't brilliant but we had more purpose in our play. Yet the biggest difference was that Liverpool seemed to be losing belief in what they were doing so well for the first 30 minutes of the game. It played beautifully into our hands.

      Had we lost the game you could argue about turning up for a game and not giving it a go. I mean after all its the FA CUP and for teams like us its all about having a go at a giant killing. Yet Derek Adams tactics were spot on simply because he managed to achieve a result that a number of us pilgrims before the game thought was very unrealistic to achieve. Even with a weakened Liverpool side.  His tactics achieved his objective. So how can you question the man who has just achieved one of Argyle's biggest results in their history and yet is in charge of a football club that hasn't brought a player for a transfer fee since our pre-administration days. Well that was true until we brought Nathan Blissett a few days ago (but he was cup tied).

      We try to play football at League two level. Unfortunately, a number of the pitches make this difficult. Newport for example have a rugby team play on their football pitch at Rodney Parade. Imagine trying to play decent football on this. I mention this, along with our transfer poilicy, just to show the gulf between ourselves and the Premier league as a whole. It gets wider and wider each season because of the tv revenues and so to achieve a result at your fabulous club where you have blown away most teams week in, week out, means a great deal of happiness, satisfaction and provides a fantastic memory to the GreenArmy to savior.

      As a fan of lower league football you are often left with very little enjoyment, as most of what is craved is to get out of footballs basement division. Its very hard seeing your team limp its way up and down the lower two tiers of English football for the years it has. And to see them limp against teams who main ambitions seem to be how can be time waste and slow the game down. Even if you can negate the opposition your left with man in the middle. The referee. Often it goes from appalling to dreadful. Some of them just don't have a "scooby doo" about what on earth they should be doing.

      So all these frustration build up inside you. So it may not seem much to some folk. It maybe be mildly amusing to others to think fans could celebrate their team entrenched in the oppositions half for so long. For a performance that wasn't eye catching in a beautiful way, but yet was in a gladiatorial way. For most, if not all of us that were there, it replaces the dark days of administration, the relegation and struggles that followed it with a nicer memory which allows us to think our club could be back on the rise. As if you don't have hope as a lower league football fan. What else you left with? What would be the point?

      With regards to the replay, I do think it will be a one sided affair unfortunately. You will enjoy passing it around on our playing surface which has to be one of the best outside of the championship. I think this time you will get a goal early on as you will have learnt from your mistakes on sunday and so as Argyle try to open up a little the game should get easier for you. Obviously I would love to say will get a win and have a great chance but in all realism your team should, and i imagine will, be too strong for us. Your team yesterday was still filled with many decent international players. You have youngsters who you would find are paid far more than our top earner. Talented players like Woodburn who, looking at his quick feet in the box yesterday, have a bright future ahead of him maybe young but they still have a significantly higher skill set than some of our developing talent . Even these "youngster" could easily grace the championship and perform in that league to a high standard. That in itself shows the gulf in levels of talent between the two clubs.

      So I guess this is our moment in the sun. Yet if you asked most Argyle fans all they care about and want is promotion. Liverpool was a great experience. A day to Savior. However, the league is our priority and we would of all swapped a 5-0 drubbing for a guaranteed top 3 spot finish.

      In terms of your club. Did Klopp get the team selection wrong? Well maybe but, and surely this was the weaker game in your fixture list and with the experience and talent you had on the field you should feel confident about it being enough to knock us out. Klopp was magnificent in the way he went over to all Argyle players and shook their hands. That went down so well among the Argyle support well because he is so magnanimous and gracious towards us on sunday. You have the right man in charge from what I have seen both on and off the field to deliver you back the championship you all crave for. Its refreshing to hear a manager just talk. The lack of BS he speaks when talking about the games is also favorable. Plus he has a great sense of humor which is perfect to handle the media. I'm confident he will bring back the title to Anfield because he is seems so driven but knowledgeable already about what is needed to make a decent team for the premier league. The only thing that will stop him I believe is that he isn't given enough funding so he can compete with the Chelsea's and Man City's.

      Anyhow, to all those who do come down to Home Park I wish you a safe journey and I do hope our fans, but more importantly the people in our city show you guys the same hospitality and courtesy that you showed us when we came to town. Many thanks for helping make the day so very enjoyable!




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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Plymouth Argyle: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #413: Jan 10, 2017 10:49:45 am
      Some brilliant posts from Plymouth fans, be assured that most (nearly all) Liverpool fans applaud what was a great effort from your team and fans. Well done!

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