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      Frankly, Mr Shankly
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      PR Nightmares!
      Mar 03, 2017 06:34:50 pm
      Had a discussion on the Leicester City match thread regarding the club's PR strategy of late inspired by the mind boggling and insulting announcement just minutes after that humiliating defeat to Leicester City to announce a new CEO. What is it about the football club, or the all round PR and 'online engagement' strategy that makes them think that we will lap this sh*t up? This week has been absolutely vintage by their standards with the PR department in full firefighting mode pithily combating the righteous anger that has stemmed from the supporters in the aftermath of that terrible defeat.

      Just look at the daily interventions by the players and coaching staff since that defeat, rolling out the usual pre made statements banging on about how we 'must do better' and the usual claptrap which wouldn't be so insulting if it weren't be trotted out for about the zillionth time under these current owners. A brief look at the official website will lead us to such well meaning headlines as:

      "Simon Mignolet: We've got to look forward and not for excuses"

      "Lallana: It's time to stand up and be counted"

      They've even got old legends in on the game!

      "Luis Garcia: Reds must look forward, not back"

      "Sami Hyypia: Reds must stick together and trust themselves"


      And yet just days before the Leicester City, Mignolet (LFC OFFAL favourite) was rolled out banging on about how 'Team ethic is making us harder to face'...I sh*t you not! Now I know in this age of media it's impossible to be silent and you must be seen to be saying something because saying something equals doing something...right? So that should excuse their strategy and all that? Does it f**k.

      How many times have we gone through this cycle in the last few years? Win spectacularly - posture big. Lose pathetically - cower apologetically. And repeat. Only that it becomes even more depressing when just minutes later the social media stooge hits send to a link of videos reminding us of all the wonderful goals and great moments of years that seem more distant than ever - Fernando Torres smashing it into the top of the net from a tight angle, Gerrard scorching one in from 30 yards or Reina flying down to his left to save another penalty during the good days, an act of online activity so self defeating in that it only makes us compare it to the latest dropped bollock by Mignolet or yet another selfish scuffed slither of a shot by "Barca bound" Coutinho.

      And then there's the fan engagement which descends into parody, just like a few weeks back when they got fans to design promo in conjunction with the whoring out of the latest Hollywood popcorn flick. I mean...just look at the state of this. Not surprisingly supporters were quick to point out that we hadn't actually won a league game in 2017 when this monstrosity was spread around the internet providing more embarrassment for us fans than if John Henry himself had accidentally tweeted a dick pic for all to see.

      https://twitter.com/LFC/status/829426578115350528

      This false deification of the players continues into match day. Like when LFC on Facebook alert us to the arrival of the big red bus. 'THEY'RE HERE!' they exclaim. 'WHERE?!' we all excitingly scream...or so they imagine. Yes that's right Beatlemania had nothing on this sh*t. Because these players are just such hot property at the moment that we just CRAVE to see them trudging off the bus, headphones on, sporting serious faces as they convincingly march their way to another heroic defeat to a relegation threatened team.

      It feels misguided at best, infantile at worst. When you see your team revert back to the squalid averageness that has become the norm in the last few years it's hard for me or anyone to lap up the 'celeb' appeal of this. We're supposed to sit back and suck in the 'remorseful' attitude from the 'players' and that we will absolutely get on board with the notion that they are going to 'learn from this' and 'stand up'...for about the 1000th time in the last 7 years or so. All the while thinking that we care enough to fangirl over them.

      Speaking to other fans, it seems that there's a distance between team and supporter that has never been bigger. Even at the heights of the start of the season we still couldn't be bothered to roll out a song for them that is on a par with 'Steve Gerrard Gerrard' or 'Luis Garcia, he drinks sangria'. And while performances and a lack of charisma on the field may have a lot to do with that, FSG's PR and engagement strategy to whore these players out to advertisers galore, trot out pre prepared media statements and generally put them on a pedestal which they haven't deserved has probably contributed to this distance than anything else. And we wonder why the atmosphere at Anfield has been so funereal of late?

      Just because these guys 'play for Liverpool' they continue to think that that is good enough for us. We are essentially 'thickos', an ever present sample of guinea pigs to conduct market research on and feed us the latest sh*te because after all we're just 'consumers' aren't we?

      This isn't a f**king Simon Cowell manufactured boy band. We're not brain dead idiots who will buy into and believe any old sh*t. This is Liverpool FC. We deserve better and FSG could make a start by not insulting our intelligence and love of the club by sledgehammering it's ghastly and cringeworthy PR on us.
      « Last Edit: Mar 04, 2017 03:08:40 am by Frankly, Mr Shankly »
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      Reply #1: Mar 03, 2017 06:41:01 pm
      Couldn't agree more with every word, top post, would plus 10 if I could.

      Definitely something that needed saying and very well said indeed.

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      Reply #2: Mar 03, 2017 06:54:25 pm
      Agree completely. Every time I see those headlines from players on how we must do better (after a loss) or how we could beat anyone (after a win), I cringe hard. The only words I wanna hear from the team are either from the manager or the captain. Who bloody cares what Mignolet thinks.
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      Reply #3: Mar 03, 2017 07:01:27 pm
      Couldn't agree more with every word, top post, would plus 10 if I could.

      Definitely something that needed saying and very well said indeed.

       :gt-happyup:

      Credit to Skip on the Leicester match thread for really making me focus on this aberration. Something that's been building up over a while now and only now have I decided to try and untangle it.
      « Last Edit: Mar 03, 2017 07:50:54 pm by Frankly, Mr Shankly »
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      Reply #4: Mar 03, 2017 07:03:55 pm
      Great post FMS,I've always been a firm believer in the motto 'actions speak louder than words' so redmen
      'Do your talking on the pitch'.
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      Reply #5: Mar 03, 2017 07:04:24 pm
      All true man, on a similar but different note, 1 that got me was just before kick off we had Adam Lallana rubbing Nivea in his shiny face in yet another advert and after the result the first advert was Klopp chatting sh*t about football for the benefit of Victor Chandler.

      Back to the original point, when did we (the club) become so F***ing cringey and annoying? Who is actually entertained by this puerile drivel.
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      Reply #6: Mar 03, 2017 07:11:36 pm
      All true man, on a similar but different note, 1 that got me was just before kick off we had Adam Lallana rubbing Nivea in his shiny face in yet another advert and after the result the first advert was Klopp chatting sh*t about football for the benefit of Victor Chandler.

      Back to the original point, when did we (the club) become so f**king cringey and annoying? Who is actually entertained by this puerile drivel.

      I'd say it started with 'Being Liverpool'. We thought that was as bad as it got. We were wrong.

      I simply can't follow the club on social media any more. We are the butt of many a joke and deservedly so. If it were any other club doing this I'd be pissing myself with laughter. Bet Victor and Nivea ads as you mentioned just reinforce the point further. Even more insulting when they continue to get broadcast AFTER a humiliating loss.
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      Reply #7: Mar 03, 2017 07:13:48 pm
      Had a discussion on the Leicester City match thread regarding the club's PR strategy of late inspired by the mind boggling and insulting announcement just minutes after that humiliating defeat to Leicester City to announce a new CEO. What is it about the football club, or the all round PR and 'online engagement' strategy that makes them think that we will lap this sh*t up?

      The official outlets have no choice but to tow the party line.  Website, social media, TV station.  Because of the official nature it is devoid of any real debate, criticism or highlighting mistakes.    It's all pretty much the 'legends' giving the same old spin before showing a clip of Jason McAteer taking a shot at a robot in Hong Kong.

      It does cater to a specific audience and that audience, weirdly, is probably not the die hard supporter. 

      As for the PR announcement re: Mr EA Sports minutes after we got beat - well where do you start.  In fact the only possible motivation I can think is that they wanted everyone to forget about the game and wonder why our PR department are such F***ing clowns?

      If that was the motivation - congrats because it sort of worked. 
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      Reply #8: Mar 03, 2017 07:14:35 pm
      Bravo, it had to be said.

      Over saturation is what it is - mediocrity being thrown at us from all angles, it's like David Walliams being all over the f**king telly, only this time it's our beloved football club which is being whored out.

      Who our representatives on the field in past history dictates, and maybe somewhat distorts our impression and expectations of the current flimsy bunch (that includes the apparent 'world class' players like Coutinho, the abject weakling he is).

      When they try to act all heroic, it's because we've seen this from past players and they've proven it. But all they're doing is desecrating the words and deeds of our true heroes who, when they stood up and said something, would deliver and not disappoint.

      The players and FSG quite frankly are making a mockery of this great club.
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      Reply #9: Mar 03, 2017 07:26:48 pm
      I doubt the FSG stooges will have anything to respond to.
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      Reply #10: Mar 03, 2017 07:28:28 pm
      For many years the club has traded (and so have many of us, to be fair) on long-past glories.

      I think FSG and its PR dept realise that's worn a bit thin since the last big trophy in 2005, so they've decided that the most marketable aspect of the club is the 'boy band' players.  It's laughable to other club's fans, especially those with more recent glories to exploit.  I'd be laughing too if it didn't turn my stomach.

      The far east and middle east markets are being opened up to our club, and FSG are throwing every PR stunt they can to keep LFC current and 'relevant'.  Until we win something worth shouting about, I too wish the players would only appear in kids magazines until they run out on the Anfield pitch to play. 

      Also, shouldn't there be some rule against current players and managers promoting betting sites?  It just feels wrong.

      Great thread.

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      Reply #11: Mar 03, 2017 07:31:25 pm
      I'd say it started with 'Being Liverpool'. We thought that was as bad as it got. We were wrong.

      I simply can't follow the club on social media any more. We are the butt of many a joke and deservedly so. If it were any other club doing this I'd be pissing myself with laughter. Bet Victor and Nivea ads as you mentioned just reinforce the point further. Even more insulting when they continue to get broadcast AFTER a humiliating loss.

      Yeah, agreed.

      Personally I dont go on the official site, not been on there in about 5 years, too sanitised for me.


      Same story with the channel. Not going to get any good debates on there with Fenway owning the bloody thing, so its all about small talk, hot air and bullshit, sandwhiched in between tedious 'funny' features and segments like rejected soccer am ideas.

      I'm a miserable c**t and can't be doing with forced, false fun so it's not for me.

      Again not entirely sure who finds it all entertaining but there are that type of weird fan out there i'm sure.
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      Reply #12: Mar 03, 2017 07:32:07 pm
      Maybe just not look at the offi site then? it's not really aimed at the wasp chewing, arms crossed,been there done that types is it?they wanna engage the kids,the merch buyers,those that wanna belong to the" lfc family".it's f***in sh*te but it is what every club pretty much does.
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      Reply #13: Mar 03, 2017 07:38:50 pm
      Great post FMS, it's getting almost cringey now, then you add in the almost daily LFC are looking at this and that player.
      When was the last time we signed a player who we have allegedly followed for 6 month?

      FSG must have Peter Mandelson advising them!
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      Reply #14: Mar 03, 2017 07:40:02 pm
      Maybe just not look at the offi site then? it's not really aimed at the wasp chewing, arms crossed,been there done that types is it?they wanna engage the kids,the merch buyers,those that wanna belong to the" lfc family".it's f***in sh*te but it is what every club pretty much does.

      Maybe these cu*ts could stop hijacking the club and turning it into an all american cringe fest.

      Every day i get a message off somebody, a manc, a bitter, even blackburn fans about something else embarrassing we've bloody done.
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      Reply #15: Mar 03, 2017 07:40:15 pm
      Maybe just not look at the offi site then? it's not really aimed at the wasp chewing, arms crossed,been there done that types is it?they wanna engage the kids,the merch buyers,those that wanna belong to the" lfc family".it's f***in sh*te but it is what every club pretty much does.

      What sort of adult allows their kids on facebook and twitter with all the sh*t that is going on there? Not many so there's very little audience for it. And as far as I'm concerned, when I was a kid, the best way for me to engage with Liverpool was actually following them with each match not feeling the need to be patronised by the online sh*t of superimposing their faces on the body of Matt f**king Damon

      'How did you become a Liverpool fan?'

      'Because I clicked on a link online and there were these ex pros doing Kung fu fighting which made them look like a Steps tribute act'

      Said no one ever.

      It is NOT a case of simply refusing to 'click the link' or read the players 'reactions'. This is all about how the club is presented and the falsities that come with it. We all CARE about this club.
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      Reply #16: Mar 03, 2017 07:53:37 pm
      Maybe these cu*ts could stop hijacking the club and turning it into an all american cringe fest.

      Every day i get a message off somebody, a manc, a bitter, even blackburn fans about something else embarrassing we've bloody done.
       

      wah, some one sent me a nasty message,kin'ell.
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      Reply #17: Mar 03, 2017 07:55:05 pm
       

      wah, some one sent me a nasty message,kin'ell.

      Nobody sent you a nasty message, don't be such a soft lad.
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      Reply #18: Mar 03, 2017 08:07:04 pm
      What sort of adult allows their kids on facebook and twitter with all the sh*t that is going on there? Not many so there's very little audience for it. And as far as I'm concerned, when I was a kid, the best way for me to engage with Liverpool was actually following them with each match not feeling the need to be patronised by the online sh*t of superimposing their faces on the body of Matt f**king Damon

      'How did you become a Liverpool fan?'

      'Because I clicked on a link online and there were these ex pros doing Kung fu fighting which made them look like a Steps tribute act'

      Said no one ever.

      It is NOT a case of simply refusing to 'click the link' or read the players 'reactions'. This is all about how the club is presented and the falsities that come with it. We all CARE about this club.
       

      If ya don't wanna be offended by what the club puts out don't read it,i had no clue about that wall photo till you posted it.it's F***ing shockingly sh*te but i'm not gonna bust a ball over something that is clearly not aimed at me.I don't think what the club is doing is any different to any other club,look it doesn't sit right with me either, i never liked that they put newspaper rumors on the official site but ya can't ignore the hoards of people that like that  stuff. life's to short to worry about this stuff.
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      Reply #19: Mar 03, 2017 08:07:44 pm
      Had a discussion on the Leicester City match thread regarding the club's PR strategy of late inspired by the mind boggling and insulting announcement just minutes after that humiliating defeat to Leicester City to announce a new CEO. What is it about the football club, or the all round PR and 'online engagement' strategy that makes them think that we will lap this sh*t up? This week has been absolutely vintage by their standards with the PR department in full firefighting mode pithily combating the righteous anger that has stemmed from the supporters in the aftermath of that terrible defeat.

      Just look at the daily interventions by the players and coaching staff since that defeat, rolling out the usual pre made statements banging on about how we 'must do better' and the usual claptrap which wouldn't be so insulting if it weren't be trotted out for about the zillionth time under these current owners. A brief look at the official website will lead us to such well meaning headlines as:

      "Simon Mignolet: We've got to look forward and not for excuses"

      "Lallana: It's time to stand up and be counted"

      They've even got old legends in on the game!

      "Luis Garcia: Reds must look forward, not back"

      "Sami Hyypia: Reds must stick together and trust themselves"


      And yet just days before the Leicester City, Mignolet (LFC OFFAL favourite) was rolled out banging on about how 'Team ethic is making us harder to face'...I sh*t you not! Now I know in this age of media it's impossible to be silent and you must be seen to be saying something because saying something equals doing something...right? So that should excuse their strategy and all that? Does it f**k.

      How many times have we gone through this cycle in the last few year? Win spectacularly - posture big. Lose pathetically - cower apologetically. And repeat. Only that it becomes even more depressing when just minutes later the social media stooge hits send to a link of videos reminding us of all the wonderful goals and great moments of years that seem more distant than ever - Fernando Torres smashing it into the top of the net from a tight angle, Gerrard scorching one in from 30 yards or Reina flying down to his left to save another penalty during the good days, an act of online activity so self defeating in that it only makes us compare it to the latest dropped bollock by Mignolet or yet another selfish scuffed slither of a shot by "Barca bound" Coutinho.

      And then there's the fan engagement which descends into parody, just like a few weeks back when they got fans to design promo in conjunction with the latest whoring out of the latest Hollywood popcorn flick. I mean...just look at the state of this. Not surprisingly supporters were quick to point out that we hadn't actually won a league game in 2017 when this monstrosity was spread around the internet providing more embarrassment for us fans than if John Henry himself had accidentally tweeted a dick pick for all to see.

      https://twitter.com/LFC/status/829426578115350528

      This false deification of the players continues into match day. Like when LFC on Facebook alert us to the arrival of the big red bus. 'THEY'RE HERE!' they exclaim. 'WHERE?!' we all excitingly scream...or so they imagine. Yes that's right Beatlemania had nothing on this sh*t. Because these players are just such hot property at the moment that we just CRAVE to see them trudging off the bus, headphones on, sporting serious faces as they convincingly march their way to another heroic defeat to a relegation threatened team.

      It feels misguided at best, infantile at worst. When you see your team revert back to the squalid averageness that has become the norm in the last few years it's hard for me or anyone to lap up the 'celeb' appeal of this. We're supposed to sit back and suck in the 'remorseful' attitude from the 'players' and that we will absolutely get on board with the notion that they are going to 'learn from this' and 'stand up'...for about the 1000th time in the last 7 years or so. All the while thinking that we care enough to fangirl over them.

      Speaking to other fans, it seems that there's a distance between team and supporter that has never been bigger. Even at the heights of the start of the season we still couldn't be bothered to roll out a song for them that is on a par with 'Steve Gerrard Gerrard' or 'Luis Garcia, he drinks sangria'. And while performances and a lack of charisma on the field may have a lot to do with that, FSG's PR and engagement strategy to whore these players out to advertisers galore, trot out pre prepared media statements and generally put them on a pedestal which they haven't deserved has probably contributed to this distance than anything else. And we wonder why the atmosphere at Anfield has been so funereal of late?

      Just because these guys 'play for Liverpool' they continue to think that that is good enough for us. We are thickos, an ever present sample of guinea pigs to conduct market research...because after all we're just 'consumers' aren't we?

      This isn't a f**king Simon Cowell manufactured boy band. We're not brain dead idiots who will buy into and believe any old sh*t. This is Liverpool FC. We deserve better and FSG could make a start by not insulting our intelligence and love of the club by sledgehammering it's ghastly and cringeworthy PR on us.

      Wow! That really is from the heart and to be frank, absolutely spot on! The gap grows ever bigger, because your average supporters may earn 20k a year, but these primadonas are on frankly obscene money, so how can they "connect"?

      To the majority of players, it's a job, albeit a F***ing good one. How many actually play for "their teams" though?

      These players aren't just players anymore. They see themselves as celebrities and they love it!

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      Reply #20: Mar 03, 2017 08:09:46 pm
      Nobody sent you a nasty message, don't be such a soft lad.
       

      Nah mate,i meant you getting upset cos ya mates were sending ya messages,that kinda stuff ain't worth bothering about is it?
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      Reply #21: Mar 03, 2017 08:10:27 pm
       

      If ya don't wanna be offended by what the club puts out don't read it,i had no clue about that wall photo till you posted it.it's f**king shockingly sh*te but i'm not gonna bust a ball over something that is clearly not aimed at me.I don't think what the club is doing is any different to any other club,look it doesn't sit right with me either, i never liked that they put newspaper rumors on the official site but ya can't ignore the hoards of people that like that  stuff. life's to short to worry about this stuff.

      Again, it's about how the club is presented, because WE CARE.
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      Reply #22: Mar 03, 2017 08:29:41 pm
       

      Nah mate,i meant you getting upset cos ya mates were sending ya messages,that kinda stuff ain't worth bothering about is it?

      They're not nasty it's just ammo in the battle to take the piss out of each other, and sadly for me Fenway keep loading the bullets with their cringeworthy sh*te.

      It's not important but it just goes to show a lot of people are picking up on how cheesy we have become.
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      Reply #23: Mar 03, 2017 08:48:54 pm
      to be fair, we've lost FIVE TIMES. its not that bad.

      But i see what youre saying ;D
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      Reply #24: Mar 03, 2017 09:30:45 pm
      We don't always see eye to eye you and i, hold nothing against we just look at things a bit differently is all... But I always say that when you're right you're right...
      A excellent post, and really good read... from someone who clearly loves LFC and understand the damage being reeked on the club by FSG...Thank you
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      Reply #25: Mar 03, 2017 10:45:09 pm
      to be fair, we've lost FIVE TIMES. its not that bad.

      But i see what youre saying ;D

      This post is nothing to do with on the field matters more how the club engages with fans online something that is relevant when we win as when we lose. The defeat to Leicester merely shine more light on it and from my point of view it is entirely cynical and insulting.

      The club's ploy to push the false modesty button in defeat at a time when they are presenting our players as something even the players themselves would rather not be presented as they have yet to achieve anything of note at this club. That the club treats our players as 'winners deserving of deification' is a massive problem and probably highlights the belief amongst FSG cynics that at the end of the day it doesn't matter if they have medals round their necks. All that matters is that they are marketed to seem like men with medals round their necks.
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      Reply #26: Mar 03, 2017 10:50:17 pm
      As cringey as all this junk is, it won't make our football any better.

      Don't lose focus of what really is important.
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      Reply #28: Mar 03, 2017 11:34:16 pm
      I also truly dislike how we are apparently linked to every player under the sun.  and our crappy transfer strategy is for all to see...

      take lorenze as an example.  top rated player. we are competing with other top 4 contenders for his signature

      we offer him 45mil.   the exact same as the other top 4 teams.  the ones like arsenal that will get CL and play in london.  ffs



      on and every f***in time we lose.  we get the 'stand up and be counted' pledge.  as far as i am concerned, after the horrible month of january, everyone should be on their tippy toes by now
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      Reply #30: Mar 04, 2017 02:45:15 am
      Seriously, if at this point you don't believe that as a Liverpool supporter you are getting treated like and spoken to like a dickhead by these owners then you are probably either:

      A) An FSG apologist
      B) FSG
      C) A little bit thick

      The only time I feel more in a spin is when I'm in that mad roundabout city that they call Milton Keynes.
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      Reply #31: Mar 04, 2017 03:17:12 am
      Seriously, if at this point you don't believe that as a Liverpool supporter you are getting treated like and spoken to like a dickhead by these owners then you are probably either:

      A) An FSG apologist
      B) FSG
      C) A little bit thick

      The only time I feel more in a spin is when I'm in that mad roundabout city that they call Milton Keynes.

      Yeah true, but let's face it, this is just unadulterated deflection from what is turning into another sh*t season.

      I have little time, nor inclination to even go near such clickbait - until it is usually broadcasted on here via twatter or mouthpieces of the club.

      And though the two aren't mutually exclusive (FSG's methodology and our team's performances), the fact is, this thread wouldn't be alive if we were having a good season.

      Depressing as F**k, this.
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      Reply #32: Mar 04, 2017 04:52:06 am
      Yeah true, but let's face it, this is just unadulterated deflection from what is turning into another sh*t season.

      I have little time, nor inclination to even go near such clickbait - until it is usually broadcasted on here via twatter or mouthpieces of the club.

      And though the two aren't mutually exclusive (FSG's methodology and our team's performances), the fact is, this thread wouldn't be alive if we were having a good season.

      Depressing as f**k, this.

      Well of course this thread wouldn't be alive if we were having a good season - the article is centred around the fact that the club is chundering out this shoddy shameless celeb spun PR at a time when the supporters are hurt at the rotten form. Obviously.

      It's crass, insensitive... completely out of touch. Fine, your armchair 'supporters' who care more about Coutinhos latest pair of trainers and don't know their Bill Shanklys from their Bob Paisleys are probably slurping all this sh*t up like Eamonn Holmes at a buffet, but for the rest of us hardcore fans, it's humiliating. At this moment in time, seeing the club big up failures with awful PR and try to distract us with a 'mega goals from Torres' compilation is like dancing on a corpse at a funeral.
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      Reply #33: Mar 04, 2017 05:54:55 am
      Well of course this thread wouldn't be alive if we were having a good season - the article is centred around the fact that the club is chundering out this shoddy shameless celeb spun PR at a time when the supporters are hurt at the rotten form. Obviously.

      It's crass, insensitive... completely out of touch. Fine, your armchair 'supporters' who care more about Coutinhos latest pair of trainers and don't know their Bill Shanklys from their Bob Paisleys are probably slurping all this sh*t up like Eamonn Holmes at a buffet, but for the rest of us hardcore fans, it's humiliating. At this moment in time, seeing the club big up failures with awful PR and try to distract us with a 'mega goals from Torres' compilation is like dancing on a corpse at a funeral.

      Thank you for confirming my point.

      You can worry about what the club are up to with regards to garnering support from the football tourist with their Torres compilations; let the "hardcore" support worry about what's happening on the pitch.

      What we need are better owners who don't resemble the Tories in government with their lack of investment into the team. Everything else around them is just American guff. Subscribe to it, and feed off it at your peril.
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      Reply #34: Mar 04, 2017 07:41:50 am
      Quote from Frankly, Mr Shankly
      The club's ploy to push the false modesty button in defeat at a time when they are presenting our players as something even the players themselves would rather not be presented as they have yet to achieve anything of note at this club. That the club treats our players as 'winners deserving of deification' is a massive problem and probably highlights the belief amongst FSG cynics that at the end of the day it doesn't matter if they have medals round their necks. All that matters is that they are marketed to seem like men with medals round their necks.

      I don't know what the solution, if any, is tbh. Marketing is an essential part of any professional football club. Sometimes it goes ott, but most fans are able to see the difference between glossy, one sided, marketing off the field and the reality on the pitch.
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      Reply #35: Mar 04, 2017 02:45:42 pm
      Slightly short sighted there.

      It's not the last two months, it's the way the club's being run, progressively worse.

      If you can't see that, look deeper.

      How is the club being run by FSG, that they didn't tell us when they first started and John Henry did that interview long interview talking about his plans and our transfer policy? Or did everyone miss that?
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      Reply #36: Mar 04, 2017 03:59:56 pm
      How is the club being run by FSG, that they didn't tell us when they first started and John Henry did that interview long interview talking about his plans and our transfer policy? Or did everyone miss that?

      I love how the FSG fans hold up the 'they always said they would do things this way', whilst conviniently forgetting the sh*te about 'competing with anyone in the world' and 'we're here to win' and 'returning the club to greatness' and 'returning LFC to the pinnicle'.

      Those are just off the top of my head from what I remember. So tell me, did you miss all of that whilst you were busy licking their hoop?

      Our balance sheet is great, brilliant. The squad is sh*te and we have become continual losers under them, which is something that I'm a little more interested in.

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      Reply #37: Mar 04, 2017 04:04:56 pm
      Brilliant post and topic. Totally agree.

      We need to answer less media questions so not to shoot our own foot.
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      Reply #38: Mar 04, 2017 06:27:26 pm
      I love how the FSG fans hold up the 'they always said they would do things this way', whilst conviniently forgetting the sh*te about 'competing with anyone in the world' and 'we're here to win' and 'returning the club to greatness' and 'returning LFC to the pinnicle'.

      Those are just off the top of my head from what I remember. So tell me, did you miss all of that whilst you were busy licking their hoop?

      Our balance sheet is great, brilliant. The squad is sh*te and we have become continual losers under them, which is something that I'm a little more interested in.

      I love how anyone that tries to use common sense is instantly labelled a 'FSG FAN'

      I warned about FSG from the start. Its interesting because every time we play sh*t the fsg pitchforks come out, but when we play well everyone is in love with Klopp.

      My point is klopp made some decisions that have nothing to do with FSG. He's alienated good players which has weakened our squad, that has nothing to do with FSG. He should be able to get better performances from our players against shitty teams, point blank. Thats not fsg's fault.

      our squad could be a lot better, more balanced and i want FSG to invest more.

      But our squad is not sh*te.
      Imbalanced yes
      sh*te? HELL NO

      I don't buy that one bit.
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      Re: PR Nightmares!
      Reply #39: Mar 14, 2017 05:04:13 pm
      Careful, you may make Mighty Red angry with this thread

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      Reply #40: Mar 14, 2017 06:03:59 pm
      Careful, you may make Mighty Red angry with this thread



      Isn't that tpm Brendan Rodgers?
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      Reply #41: Mar 14, 2017 06:07:56 pm
      How is the club being run by FSG, that they didn't tell us when they first started and John Henry did that interview long interview talking about his plans and our transfer policy? Or did everyone miss that?

      Did you see many people agreeing with it though? I certainly didn't. They told us the ffp rules would level the playing field, they were wrong, but they've suck fast to their policy despite if falling spectacularly.

      They can tell us all they want about the money they are bringing in, but it's on the field where I want to see success.
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      Reply #42: Mar 14, 2017 06:15:39 pm

      The teeth give it away don't they?
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      Reply #43: Mar 15, 2017 01:17:44 am
      Careful, you may make Mighty Red angry with this thread



      He'll be even angrier when Anfield Arnie and Kopkat find him and fill him in!!
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      Reply #44: Mar 15, 2017 06:55:01 am
      He'll be even angrier when Anfield Arnie and Kopkat find him and fill him in!!

      I have no idea if these even exist but that did make me laugh 👏👏😄😄
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      Reply #45: Mar 15, 2017 12:42:04 pm
      I have no idea if these even exist but that did make me laugh 👏👏😄😄

      Anfield Arnie was the club mascot from the 90s without the stupid Mighty Red outfit, Kop Kat was a mascot of the Liverpool Supporters Club in the 80s, think he was on the front of some commemorative album that was out about 84
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      Reply #46: Mar 20, 2017 07:05:51 pm
      Really interesting thread this.

      I think all clubs who have had a decent amount of success in the past and a worldwide following will have a certain type of PR at the forefront of all operations. Brand took over footy matters a long time ago.

      The thing is, it's up to us as reds to get our point across and keep the kids educated. It's also up to the senior management at LFC board level to allow our point to get across, because there's definitely lower level management on off field matters who feel the same as us. There has to be.

      I'm still angry at our performance against Leicester and no level of PR distraction will stop that.
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      Reply #47: Mar 24, 2017 03:29:26 pm
      Anyone know why lfctv is free on sky today?
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      Reply #48: Mar 24, 2017 03:33:46 pm
      Anyone know why lfctv is free on sky today?

      Enjoy LFCTV free for the next 10 days

      Fans can enjoy free access to everything LFCTV has to offer during the next 10 days.

      Until midnight on Monday April 3, the official club channel will be available for no extra cost to Sky and Virgin Media customers only.

      That means Reds supporters can tune in to see a host of star names feature for the Liverpool FC Legends against Real Madrid at Anfield on Saturday afternoon.

      Watch the likes of Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher face the Spanish giants with the whole game live on LFCTV, with build-up beginning at 2pm.

      The following weekend, soak up our unrivalled build-up to the Merseyside derby, with exclusive interviews and previews to the big clash with Everton on Saturday April 1.

      Don’t miss a brand new series, ‘Premier League Heroes’, which premiered on Wednesday evening and is repeated regularly. The first episode focuses on the remarkable career of Reds icon Gerrard.

      There’ll be special documentaries, a range of weekly shows and behind-the-scenes access you can’t find anywhere else throughout the next 10 days, too.

      So, what are you waiting for? Tune in to Sky channel 429 or Virgin Media channel 544 now!

      http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/announcements/257356-enjoy-lfctv-free-for-the-next-10-days

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      Reply #49: Mar 25, 2017 08:53:05 am
      Speaking to other fans, it seems that there's a distance between team and supporter that has never been bigger. Even at the heights of the start of the season we still couldn't be bothered to roll out a song for them that is on a par with 'Steve Gerrard Gerrard' or 'Luis Garcia, he drinks sangria'. And while performances and a lack of charisma on the field may have a lot to do with that, FSG's PR and engagement strategy to whore these players out to advertisers galore, trot out pre prepared media statements and generally put them on a pedestal which they haven't deserved has probably contributed to this distance than anything else. And we wonder why the atmosphere at Anfield has been so funereal of late?
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      Fantastic post. Couldn't agree more. I remember when I was a kid, Steve Heighway came to our school and sat with a procession of classes, just chatting to them and talking about football. It was fantastic. He didn't hide behind a curtain to be revealed like some Greek God. There were no cameras to capture our awe-struck faces. He was just there. Normal, friendly, modest. It's great that our lads visit schools and hospitals – they put a lot of hours in doing that, and they're a credit to the community – but the cynic in me can't help but think the PR bods are working overtime in the background making sure we all see it. The distance between team and fans that you mention is key. The guys who used to play when I was an impressionable kid... you had a feeling they were just like you. Normal people. Today they're pearl-toothed hairdressing models in golden chariots. If they haven't forgotten where they come from, sometimes it looks to me as if they're glad to be shut of it.

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