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      HUYTON RED
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      Liverpool Under Investigation by Premier League for tapping up
      Mar 23, 2017 12:37:37 am
      Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up of Stoke City schoolboy star

      Liverpool are under investigation for allegedly tapping up and offering a forbidden inducement to a Stoke City schoolboy star.

      The Anfield side are also accused of reneging on an agreement to pay the youngster’s school fees, leaving his parents – who pulled out of a deal with the club as a result – in thousands of pounds of debt.

      To compound the family’s woes, the unnamed boy cannot now play for another team until Stoke receive a compensation fee of almost £50,000.

      An investigation into the claims was launched earlier this year by the Premier League, which had already been looking into allegations related to a grievance Liverpool had about one of their own schoolboys joining Manchester City.

      Both of the controversial transfers date back to last summer, when Liverpool allegedly tapped up a 12-year-old considered to be one of Stoke’s best youngsters.

      Stoke had been paying the boy’s school fees as part of a contract signed by his parents, who wanted Liverpool to do the same.

      Liverpool are alleged to have agreed to do so until the player turned 16, breaching a rule introduced around that time forbidding the practice unless a club offers to pay for all the schoolchildren on their books to be educated privately.

      It is claimed that, on learning of this, Liverpool refused to honour their commitment, leaving the player’s parents liable for thousands of pounds in fees.

      Stoke would have continued to pay those fees had the boy not moved to Anfield – even if his former club had released him.

      The youngster’s footballing future was also left in limbo because of a controversial rule that prevents him playing for another team until Stoke are paid £49,000 in compensation.

      A source with knowledge of the Premier League investigation said: “This is a shocking example of how children in Premier League football are being used and abused.

      “This kid has done nothing wrong at all but he’s been left out in the cold and his parents are having to foot the bill for private education that they can’t afford.

      “The whole thing is a total disgrace. Everyone at the top of the Premier League and both football clubs are fully aware of what has gone on, and it is something that must be stamped out of the game.

      “Everyone knows how children’s lives and education are being ruined with the promise of football riches and it needs to stop.”

      The Daily Telegraph revealed last year that children as young as 10 were being frozen out of the English’s game’s academy system because of compensation fees parents were unwittingly signing up to.

      The Premier League this evening declined to comment on its investigation into Liverpool, one of a handful it is understood to be conducting into alleged breaches of its rules on the transfer of academy players.

      It was forced to introduce a new five-step process for ratifying such moves following mounting concerns about the poaching of youngsters within the division.

      One of those steps involves parents and clubs signing a declaration that no inducements have been offered for a schoolboy to switch allegiance, with the Premier League able to demand the phone records of all involved if it has any suspicions to the contrary.

      It was unclear on Wednesday evening what sanction Liverpool would face if found guilty of breaching what are recently revamped regulations.

      They and Stoke declined to comment last night on the investigation, the tapping-up allegation or the row over the school and compensation fees.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/22/liverpool-investigation-alleged-tapping-stoke-city-schoolboy/

      This doesn't sound good.
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      Re: Liverpool Under Investigation by Premier League for tapping up
      Reply #1: Mar 23, 2017 12:57:39 am
      Murky murky world. Moneyball gone mad.

      No club should escape punishment.
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      Reply #2: Mar 23, 2017 06:59:46 am
      I doubt that there would not be many E.P.L. clubs not guilty of tapping and offering inducements  to young lads  to sign for them.I do not condone the system but clubs have used devious means for years to get kids and players to sign for them.
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      Reply #3: Mar 23, 2017 07:26:52 am
      Anyone guilty deserves all they get , but lets not forget the role parents play in this at the though of riches .
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      Reply #4: Mar 23, 2017 07:46:03 am
      As Billy says nothing new here it happens all the time, just need to look at City and Chelsea.
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      Reply #5: Mar 23, 2017 08:35:41 am
      Scary, no one comes out of this looking good.
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      Reply #6: Mar 23, 2017 09:17:51 am
      Disgraceful!

      LFC should do the right thing here and avoid further embarrassment and probably sanctions,

      We all know tapping up goes on,has done for yrs, and will continue,

      If the young lad is deemed good enough then Liverpool should pay what is due, get the lad onboard, what message does it send out for the future if we treat young lads like this,

      GET IT SORTED ASAP!!!


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      Reply #7: Mar 23, 2017 09:42:45 am
      Disgraceful!

      LFC should do the right thing here and avoid further embarrassment and probably sanctions,

      We all know tapping up goes on,has done for yrs, and will continue,

      If the young lad is deemed good enough then Liverpool should pay what is due, get the lad onboard, what message does it send out for the future if we treat young lads like this,

      GET IT SORTED ASAP!!!


      YNWA

      I 100% agree, I don't care if other clubs also do this, that doesn't make it right, and its certainly not right to leave this lad and his family high and dry. If the rule is that if you pay education for one lad then you have to pay for all the lads then pay all the lads education, it still only adds up to one players weekly wage ffs!
      This needs to get sorted out immediately.
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      Reply #8: Mar 23, 2017 10:00:03 am
      Leaving a family in debt aswell by renegading on an agreement.

      Not good. Deserve whatever comes our way out of this.
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      Reply #9: Mar 23, 2017 11:15:53 am
      agreed. just do the right thing and move on

      ffs it is 50k, thats like a weeks wages for most of our first team.  instead we put that family in stress, probably jaded the son and just added bad PR
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      Reply #10: Mar 23, 2017 01:29:47 pm
      agreed. just do the right thing and move on

      ffs it is 50k, thats like a weeks wages for most of our first team.  instead we put that family in stress, probably jaded the son and just added bad PR

      Why does this have the stench of Ian Ayre all over it, so glad that dickhead is finally leaving.
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      Reply #11: Mar 23, 2017 01:36:25 pm
      I opened the thread wondering who the F**k we had tried to tap up. Should have realised it was going to be a kid and for peanuts.

      Sad but not surprising that the "money men" even managed to F**k that up and renege on it...

      "Aye we will pay for his school fees... What the F**k d'ya mean all our kids have to go to a private school? We were thinking school bag, new blazer, P. E. kit, that sorta thing... Go F**k with that 'private' sh*t!"
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      Reply #12: Mar 23, 2017 01:44:51 pm
      Only 12? I bet you if Corballytard was still here he'd be telling us how he'd watched the lad for a few years now. 😂
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      Reply #13: Mar 23, 2017 06:10:20 pm
      LFC SORT IT .... and make it better for the family than even it would have been .

      Scandalous from  us  .     
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      Reply #14: Mar 23, 2017 07:34:58 pm
      I know our policy of buying youth and developing them to a standard which maximises income and revenue, is appealing to the owners. This kid must be another Stevie G.
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      Reply #15: Mar 23, 2017 07:53:27 pm
      We all know it goes on, and I assume none of us really like it, but such is the competition to find the next big star, that it's almost impossible for clubs not to do it.

      IMO if the club must do it, then they have to behave better.
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      Reply #16: Mar 23, 2017 08:19:48 pm
      Sounds like the revised rules wouldn't allow us to pay the school fees. It was allegedly agreed with the parents, then the F A moved the goal posts so it couldn't be done without breaking the new legislation. It all could have been dealt with better, and the financial loss to the parents should have been rectified by other means. I'm sure a personal compensation payment from JWH wouldn't have gone amiss, and wouldn't have contravened the FA's revised rules. FFS, even the old brown envelope would have done.
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      Reply #17: Mar 23, 2017 09:44:44 pm
      FFS, even the old brown envelope would have done.

      Exactly .

      My kind of deal for the family .
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      Reply #18: Mar 23, 2017 10:06:09 pm
      Only 12? I bet you if Corballytard was still here he'd be telling us how he'd watched the lad for a few years now. 😂

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      Reply #19: Mar 23, 2017 10:39:56 pm
      F**k up. Shouldn't be getting caught if we have to be doing this sort of thing. I too was expecting it to be a big name but a 12 year old kid is ridiculous. Must be thinking he's the absolute sh*t.
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      Reply #20: Mar 24, 2017 06:53:36 am
      I thought this might interest  some regarding under the counter payments to players.In 1921 we signed Fred Hopkins from Manure and the league were not happy with the transfer details.The league fined Manure 350 quid for paying Fred more than the regulation   maximum wage and promising him a percentage of the transfer fee.I bring this up to show that corruption was going on in those days  and nothing has changed.
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      Reply #21: Mar 25, 2017 09:00:47 am
      I thought this might interest  some regarding under the counter payments to players.In 1921 we signed Fred Hopkins from Manure and the league were not happy with the transfer details.The league fined Manure 350 quid for paying Fred more than the regulation   maximum wage and promising him a percentage of the transfer fee.I bring this up to show that corruption was going on in those days  and nothing has changed.

      Jesus billy, hope you weren't there at the time 😳
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      Reply #22: Mar 25, 2017 09:34:15 am
      Jesus billy, hope you weren't there at the time 😳


      I wasn't but my Dad was and often spoke about Fred Hopkins and so many other Liverpool players.
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      Reply #23: Mar 26, 2017 12:38:26 am
      Not good, the club need to put this right
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      Reply #24: Mar 26, 2017 12:48:30 am
      Remember Bolo Zenden? Not too long ago we got in trouble for that one also.
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      Reply #25: Mar 26, 2017 12:50:55 am
      Remember Bolo Zenden? Not too long ago we got in trouble for that one also.

      What?! There was nothing wrong with the Zenden transfer, he was out of contract. 
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      Reply #26: Mar 26, 2017 02:19:18 pm
      I wasn't but my Dad was and often spoke about Fred Hopkins and so many other Liverpool players.

      Fair play Billy. Top man 😁

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      Reply #27: Mar 26, 2017 02:30:56 pm
      Remember Bolo Zenden? Not too long ago we got in trouble for that one also.

      Christian ziege ?
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      Reply #28: Mar 30, 2017 06:02:34 pm
      There are suggestions now that we could face a transfer ban, although there appears to be confusion as to whether this would affect the academy or the club as a whole.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/30/liverpool-could-hit-transfer-ban-claims-tapping-stoke-city-schoolboy/
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      Reply #29: Mar 30, 2017 06:04:40 pm
      There are suggestions now that we could face a transfer ban, although there appears to be confusion as to whether this would affect the academy or the club as a whole.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/30/liverpool-could-hit-transfer-ban-claims-tapping-stoke-city-schoolboy/

      Hahaha sounds about right, club drop news to sports reporter that Klopp will get biggest transfer kitty ever, then we get a transfer ban!
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      Reply #30: Mar 30, 2017 06:29:11 pm
      If we get a transfer ban then the same best apply to Man City, Chelsea and every f**ker else in the league. As if we're the only ones doing this.
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      Reply #31: Mar 30, 2017 11:37:58 pm

      PARTY TIME!

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      Reply #32: Mar 31, 2017 04:56:10 am
      Read it would only apply to the academy, hopefully that is the case or we can forget about next season already.
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      Reply #33: Mar 31, 2017 03:19:32 pm
      It would apply only to academy even if we are charged with something that every other club in the world does. Maybe a blessing in disguise as the current academy stars can get more attention and time to prove themselves.
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      Reply #34: Apr 05, 2017 05:15:10 pm
      SSN reporting that LFC have been banned from signing Academy players for two years with the 2nd year of the ban suspended. I don't know if it also applies to foreign Academy players.
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      Reply #35: Apr 05, 2017 05:25:04 pm
      SSN reporting that LFC have been banned from signing Academy players for two years with the 2nd year of the ban suspended. I don't know if it also applies to foreign Academy players.
      Couldn't care less to be honest, I am fed up of signing potential anyway. I just want players that can walk into our first team. I am just glad the ban is academy only.
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      Reply #36: Apr 05, 2017 05:26:44 pm
      Couldn't care less to be honest, I am fed up of signing potential anyway. I just want players that can walk into our first team. I am just glad the ban is academy only.

      So we shouldn't bother then ?
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      Reply #37: Apr 05, 2017 05:29:57 pm
      We spend a lot on academy players that don't materialize anyway. If we really want to sign academy players we can just get them from outside domestic football as BBC are reporting "Liverpool will be banned from signing any academy players who have been registered with a Premier League or EFL club in the previous 18 months." I can't imagine FA will be happy forcing teams to get academy players from outside PL and EFL.
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      Reply #38: Apr 05, 2017 05:51:27 pm
      Not good but let's see if the likes of City get treated the same!

      https://twitter.com/telefootball/status/849653964610121729

      It's actually a 12 month ban with the second year suspended but doesnt stop us buying youngsters from abroad.
      « Last Edit: Apr 05, 2017 05:57:43 pm by HScRed1 »
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      Reply #39: Apr 05, 2017 06:39:45 pm
      We deserve punishment for this.

      Hope this is the kind of thing the league will crack down on.
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      Reply #40: Apr 05, 2017 06:56:37 pm
      We deserve it. We need to pay for our own actions but the persons responsible need to be fired.
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      Reply #41: Apr 05, 2017 06:57:47 pm
      Good. Good for English football, good for Liverpool FC long-term.

      The amount of top PL clubs that are stock-piling kids just for the sake of it is stupid. To think our club is doing anything shady is embarrassing, and anyone who says anything like "this is modern football" you can f*ck right off because we should be above all that.

      If we're not, as it seems, then shame on us. Add this to the long pile of shitty antics that's gone on behind the scenes at LFC.
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      Reply #42: Apr 05, 2017 06:59:29 pm
      Sack those responsible.

      They knew what they were doing.
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      Reply #43: Apr 05, 2017 07:24:30 pm
      2 year been from signing Academy players. So much for building for the future!  :f_steam:
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      Reply #44: Apr 06, 2017 07:57:19 pm
      Who gives a F**k anyway ?
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      Reply #45: Apr 06, 2017 08:01:57 pm

      Probably the academy staff and scouting teams who spend a lot of time and energy trying to improve this Football Club!

      As for the ban and punishment it seems fair to me and I only hope that the family In question were compensated in some way!
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      Reply #46: Apr 06, 2017 08:07:41 pm
      Probably the academy staff and scouting teams who spend a lot of time and energy trying to improve this Football Club!

      As for the ban and punishment it seems fair to me and I only hope that the family In question were compensated in some way!

      Yeh , but what difference is it gona make ?
      Maybe we'll start buying decent 1st teamers now.
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      Reply #47: Apr 11, 2017 11:06:10 pm
      just read that the club tried to get the father to lie to prem leavue investigators.  if that is true, i am disappointed with the club. all for what? 50k? 


      edit.  we got a 1yr ban on buying young players and fined 100k.   so now we have a black eye. cant find kids for 1 yr and spent more than the 49k.    hopefully club learn from this
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      Reply #48: Apr 11, 2017 11:55:50 pm
      Good. Good for English football, good for Liverpool FC long-term.

      The amount of top PL clubs that are stock-piling kids just for the sake of it is stupid. To think our club is doing anything shady is embarrassing, and anyone who says anything like "this is modern football" you can f*ck right off because we should be above all that.

      If we're not, as it seems, then shame on us. Add this to the long pile of shitty antics that's gone on behind the scenes at LFC.

      Stock piling ?

      The Chavs have been hoovering up players and now have 30 (thirty!) out on loan .
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      Reply #49: Apr 12, 2017 10:09:08 am
      How can represtatives of this club been so f***in stupid, yes it has gone on elsewhere but that's no excuse,

      It matters not a jot there was a rule change during the "tapping up' process the fact remains LFC reneged on the deal they made with those parents,

      It left them 5k in debt,  and perhaps far worse left the poor lad in limbo,
      Now we can't sign other young kids for 12 months,  are out of pocket with fines and could still face further financial penalties imminently,

      So who exactly is responsible for this absolute outrage?
      Names have been mentioned but are they solely responsible or does it go further up the chain,

      Whatever, whoever needs serious reprimanding, the club itself should do its upmost to appease the family concerned,  only then can we put this to bed!


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      Reply #50: Apr 16, 2017 12:39:47 am
      Stupid, whoever sanctioned this should be sent packing. Just because other clubs do it doesn't make it ok for us to do it. Let's be better than that.
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      Reply #51: Apr 16, 2017 12:48:26 am
      Stupid, whoever sanctioned this should be sent packing. Just because other clubs do it doesn't make it ok for us to do it. Let's be better than that.

      Lets hope we learn our lesson and not repeat this again.  :mad: :mad: :mad:
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      Reply #52: Apr 16, 2017 07:08:45 am
      Stupid, whoever sanctioned this should be sent packing. Just because other clubs do it doesn't make it ok for us to do it. Let's be better than that.

      Once upon a time, before the Premier League era, Liverpool FC was a renowned example of class and professionalism. With John Smith at the helm and Peter Robinson by his side, the club steered well clear of scandal and impropriety. Those days are gone now but I'm sure I'm not alone here amongst supporters of a certain age who remember those days with fondness. We also won some cups too!  ;D
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      Reply #53: Apr 16, 2017 09:52:07 am
      Once upon a time, before the Premier League era, Liverpool FC was a renowned example of class and professionalism. With John Smith at the helm and Peter Robinson by his side, the club steered well clear of scandal and impropriety. Those days are gone now but I'm sure I'm not alone here amongst supporters of a certain age who remember those days with fondness. We also won some cups too!  ;D

      Count me in Peter Robinson was the best secretary this club ever had.we started our success in 1959 when T.V.Williams appointed a certain William Shankly as our manager .He appointed Peter Robinson secretary as well.I have said many times our downfall started when John Smith sold his shareholding to Moores. Prior to Moores this club was a total success.

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