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      Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)

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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #25: Apr 14, 2017 04:24:07 pm
      this smells of the Lovren scenario

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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #26: Apr 14, 2017 04:26:15 pm
      I'm not suggesting Van Dijk would be a huge mistake, but...

      My worry over this and other potential signings that are being mooted is that the players tend to be either those who haven't really set the world on fire elsewhere despite obvious talent (Ox), or have had ONE really good season and been picked out regularly on TV by the pundits (Van Dijk).  The same could be said about other players we've signed / been linked with in the recent past.

      I'd rather our radar was firmly fixed on those players about whom you can use the old adage:

      'Form is temporary.  Class is permanent.'
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #27: Apr 14, 2017 05:21:56 pm
      And yet we know enough about it for Sakho to have broken squad rules on a number of occasions.

      Unless you're insinuating that Klopp isn't telling the truth?

      Not the first time either FMS

      Sakho made his debut for the French side when he was just 17, and was captain by 21. However, according to Johnson, his star waned due to a combination of disciplinary issues, strained relationships with coaches and problems with diet, Sakho went from being indispensable to fourth-choice central defender, before departing.

      According to Johnson:

      "...despite those traits making Sakho a potential world-class defender, the Frenchman has some character flaws that were eventually too severe to overcome in Paris.

      "His attitude, a lack of discipline including poor dieting habits and fractious relationships with certain members of staff, particularly in the early days, put his future at the club in jeopardy a long time ago. Many of his coaches were unhappy with his unprofessional demeanour, peaking with a nasty altercation with a journalist regarding his social habits, and PSG actually almost got rid of him as a teenager. However, at that time Sakho focused enough on his football to stay, although he arguably never embraced being a true professional."




      "Sakho also had to deal with criticism from within the hierarchy; sporting director Leonardo remarking that he was "a bit overweight" when asked why he wasn't featuring in the first team towards the end of the 2011-12 season. Then PSG managed to snare Brazil captain Thiago Silva from AC Milan at high cost, meaning there was realistically only one place in the side that he could now expect to occupy."





      Sakho maintained his cult status amongst fans, but new arrivals, coupled with coaches appearing to run out of patience, ultimately led to Sakho's departure as, according to Johnson, the player failed to "grow up."

      "He has not regressed, but he has also not evolved into the player that so many predicted that he would become two years ago. That is largely down to his loveable, but at times debilitating immaturity.

      "In essence, he needs to grow up. The move to Liverpool could be perfect for that, and if he does then the Reds have some genuine leadership material on their hands."



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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #28: Apr 14, 2017 05:47:06 pm
      I'm not suggesting Van Dijk would be a huge mistake, but...

      My worry over this and other potential signings that are being mooted is that the players tend to be either those who haven't really set the world on fire elsewhere despite obvious talent (Ox), or have had ONE really good season and been picked out regularly on TV by the pundits (Van Dijk).  The same could be said about other players we've signed / been linked with in the recent past.

      I'd rather our radar was firmly fixed on those players about whom you can use the old adage:

      'Form is temporary.  Class is permanent.'

      Very well said. Reminds me that I saw two well-taken goals last night on the Europa League highlights, by Iago Aspas of Celta Vigo and Ryan Babbel of Besiktas. Klopp should sign them based on those highlights.  ;D
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #29: Apr 14, 2017 06:21:10 pm
      So are Michael Beales quotes are to be ignored then? In that Klopp hasn't forgiven Sakho for missing Europa league final? There are always two sides to a story...



      Just because he behaved for a couple of months for Beale doesn't take away what he did under Rodgers & Klopp.
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #30: Apr 15, 2017 09:52:02 am
      Apparently Van Dijk is top of our wanted list with a £50m price tag.

      https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/liverpool-put-50m-van-dijk-top-of-wanted-list-clg00sfx5
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #31: Apr 15, 2017 02:17:11 pm
      £50m! :lmao:
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #32: Apr 15, 2017 02:22:42 pm
      20m plus Sakho would be good.
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #33: Apr 15, 2017 02:27:10 pm
      Isn't he currently injured?

      One thing I don't want is anymore injury plagued players. We need guys that play every week.

      Availability is the best ability sometimes.
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #34: Apr 15, 2017 02:42:38 pm
      Isn't he currently injured?

      One thing I don't want is anymore injury plagued players. We need guys that play every week.

      Availability is the best ability sometimes.

      He's not injury plagued though.

      He missed 7 games for Groningen because of an appendectomy, he missed 1 game for Celtic through injury so this makes it the first season in his career where he's missed a big chunk of games because of an actual injury.
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #35: Apr 15, 2017 05:10:48 pm
      If you were Van Dijk and had no preferred premier League team (you supported no team in particular) and had the chance to sign for Chelsea, Man City Both have which has won the Premier league in the last 4 years, both of which are regulars in the CL (City five times in the last five years and Chelsea 13 times in the last 16 years), both of which will pay you massive wages; or Liverpool which have not won the title in 25 years ago, have been in the CL eight times in 16 years and struggle to do so, and would pay a little above average wage Who would you sign for...? I'll give you a clue, It's not Liverpool
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #36: Apr 15, 2017 07:34:56 pm
      If you were Van Dijk and had no preferred premier League team (you supported no team in particular) and had the chance to sign for Chelsea, Man City Both have which has won the Premier league in the last 4 years, both of which are regulars in the CL (City five times in the last five years and Chelsea 13 times in the last 16 years), both of which will pay you massive wages; or Liverpool which have not won the title in 25 years ago, have been in the CL eight times in 16 years and struggle to do so, and would pay a little above average wage Who would you sign for...? I'll give you a clue, It's not Liverpool

      F**k me, you're a real bundle of optimism!!
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #37: Apr 15, 2017 09:06:56 pm
      F**k me, you're a real bundle of optimism!!
      No... just a realist
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #38: Apr 15, 2017 11:57:19 pm
      He would most likely be an immediate starter, but it's not like he's the only CB that could help out team. 50m seems ridiculous to me but it's not my money.
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #39: Apr 16, 2017 12:08:47 am
      We give them sakho plus £10m. That would do me.
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      Reply #40: Apr 16, 2017 08:21:04 am
      If you were Van Dijk and had no preferred premier League team (you supported no team in particular) and had the chance to sign for Chelsea, Man City Both have which has won the Premier league in the last 4 years, both of which are regulars in the CL (City five times in the last five years and Chelsea 13 times in the last 16 years), both of which will pay you massive wages; or Liverpool which have not won the title in 25 years ago, have been in the CL eight times in 16 years and struggle to do so, and would pay a little above average wage Who would you sign for...? I'll give you a clue, It's not Liverpool

      Lallana, Firmino, and Clyne all choose us over Utd, Milner could've stayed at City and Mane was happy to come to us. I don't think he would point blank turn us down, but if if came to a bidding war then we'd be screwed.
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      Reply #41: Apr 16, 2017 08:23:30 am
      So according to the poll there are people that actually think we would go head to head with another team to sign him! Where have you all been for the last 7 years? FSG don't do bidding wars ffs.
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      Reply #42: Apr 16, 2017 08:55:29 am
      So according to the poll there are people that actually think we would go head to head with another team to sign him! Where have you all been for the last 7 years? FSG don't do bidding wars ffs.

      I voted purely based on hope rather than expectation :D
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #43: Apr 16, 2017 09:24:45 am
      So according to the poll there are people that actually think we would go head to head with another team to sign him! Where have you all been for the last 7 years? FSG don't do bidding wars ffs.

      Out of interest how many bidding wars have we actually lost recently where we competed with another team for a signature. I can only really think of Sanchez and Arsenal. As a player I would think that playing for Liverpool and working under Klopp in fornt of an adoring world famous fan support must be a very attractive option, I would also relish the challenge of bringing success back to a sleeping giant.
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #44: Apr 16, 2017 09:33:37 am
      So according to the poll there are people that actually think we would go head to head with another team to sign him! Where have you all been for the last 7 years? FSG don't do bidding wars ffs.

      FSG don't do bidding wars and the £50m price tag is a white flag job.
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      Reply #45: Apr 16, 2017 10:01:19 am
      Out of interest how many bidding wars have we actually lost recently where we competed with another team for a signature. I can only really think of Sanchez and Arsenal. As a player I would think that playing for Liverpool and working under Klopp in fornt of an adoring world famous fan support must be a very attractive option, I would also relish the challenge of bringing success back to a sleeping giant.

      I can't remember a single player we bought after a bidding war. Some players reportedly choose us over other teams, but I don't remember is out bidding anyone.
      I do believe we could get him, but we'd need to tie it up quickly, Southampton might drag it out though to get the best price.
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      Reply #46: Apr 16, 2017 10:08:33 am
      I voted purely based on hope rather than expectation :D

      I think a better question would've been, "Are we interested in signing him for the right price?".
      But the whole going head to head thing doesn't stand up for me. But Foote what its worth I would spend what it takes, because plugging u are leaking defence could be the difference between a title challenge or not.
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #47: Apr 16, 2017 10:38:55 am
      I think a better question would've been, "Are we interested in signing him for the right price?".
      But the whole going head to head thing doesn't stand up for me. But Foote what its worth I would spend what it takes, because plugging u are leaking defence could be the difference between a title challenge or not.

      I'd imagine we'd sign anybody from a huge group of players if they were available for the right price.

      I think if he was the final piece of the jigsaw for our defence then I'd spend whatever it took but he'd be far from the final piece. We'd still need a top keeper and a left back.
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      Reply #48: Apr 16, 2017 10:42:11 am
      I'd imagine we'd sign anybody from a huge group of players if they were available for the right price.

      I think if he was the final piece of the jigsaw for our defence then I'd spend whatever it took but he'd be far from the final piece. We'd still need a top keeper and a left back.

      I agree, but a commanding CB would make a huge difference.
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      Reply #49: Apr 16, 2017 11:00:29 am
      Lallana, Firmino, and Clyne all choose us over Utd, Milner could've stayed at City and Mane was happy to come to us. I don't think he would point blank turn us down, but if if came to a bidding war then we'd be screwed.
      People always think that the club who offers the most money gets the player... A club looks for a certain amount for the player (What they think he is worth).... If two club  bid that amount let's say £40m the parent club then gives the other two club permission to speak to the player... One Club may bid more that the other (Maybe hoping the other may withdraw from the process, or to show the player that they value him more than the other club) but it still does not mean the one bidding the most money gets the player... example in question; Kaka ( Ricardo Izecson dos Santos Leite) then playing for AC Milan was a subject of a transfer battle between Chelsea and Real Madrid. It was reported on Sky Sports News that Chelsea had offer AC Milan £72.3m for Kaka while Real had only offered £56.8m...Both bids had been excepted by AC and the clubs were allowed to talk to the player... Kaka chose to sign for Real, the rest is history... Could have been a few reason why he chose Real,The weather, life style, or maybe the personal term Real offered him was better... point being the money offered just allows you to speak to the play and maybe strokes his ego saying how much you value him...

      Has for Lallana, Firmino and Clyne did we really have that much competition to sign them...? Milner was not getting the game time with City and there was a world cup coming up

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