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      UK General Election June 2017

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      FATKOPITE10
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      Re: UK General Election June 2017
      Reply #3450: Dec 15, 2017 05:15:00 pm
      I find the idea of international borders somewhat absurd.
      They are only there because at some point in history, a fella had an army and said "right, this is mine now" and proceeded to exploit those living there.

      It's used for exactly the same purpose today; keep people divided and enriching the rentier class.

      Reminds me of the story of the Liechtensteiners army who went off to face the threat of war with 80 men and returned with 81 after an austrian decided to tag along
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      Re: UK General Election June 2017
      Reply #3451: Dec 22, 2017 12:56:24 am
      I find the idea of international borders somewhat absurd.
      They are only there because at some point in history, a fella had an army and said "right, this is mine now" and proceeded to exploit those living there.

      It's used for exactly the same purpose today; keep people divided and enriching the rentier class.

      Very much agree with this. Reminds me of a story a Marine in my Iraq War class in college told us, about sheep farmers on the Iraqi border. I can't recall which border it was, but anyway these guys come across this sheep farmer, old weathered guy that you can just tell has been doing this his whole life, and knows not much about the world apart from his little piece of it right there.

      He's in the process of slowly moving his herd of sheep along, paying no mind to much else. Unfortunately he is moving them across a border, I guess, so they have to ask him "Why are you moving your sheep across borders" or something to that effect. The farmer has the best response: "Why did you put a border where my sheep graze?"
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      Re: UK General Election June 2017
      Reply #3452: Dec 22, 2017 10:30:26 am
      Why put into law if it changes absolutely nothing?

      To make it official in UK law which will be replacing EU law.
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      Re: UK General Election June 2017
      Reply #3453: Dec 22, 2017 10:32:27 am
      Well in this case, as 70% of young people voted to stay in, you could say that they are being oppressed. I've seen nationalism and patriotism perverted to often, as well as being far too aware of this countries history to have pride for something that is intrinsically so intangible and is used as a blunt weapon that can't be used to batter truth and logic.

      Most young people have absolutely no idea what's good for them, they are arrogant yet know very little. Its one reason why throughout history society has been run by elders who have gained wisdom and knowledge throughout their lives.
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      Reply #3454: Dec 22, 2017 10:34:08 am
      I find the idea of international borders somewhat absurd.
      They are only there because at some point in history, a fella had an army and said "right, this is mine now" and proceeded to exploit those living there.

      It's used for exactly the same purpose today; keep people divided and enriching the rentier class.

      Is the option a new world order with one government, one currency etc, if so then no thanks, I don't really want to be ruled by India and China who would represent close to half the world population.
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      Re: UK General Election June 2017
      Reply #3455: Dec 22, 2017 12:04:48 pm
      Most young people have absolutely no idea what's good for them, they are arrogant yet know very little. Its one reason why throughout history society has been run by elders who have gained wisdom and knowledge throughout their lives.

      Most old people don't have a clue either. Think that longevity provides perspective when it has just re-enforced their own biases.
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      Reply #3456: Dec 22, 2017 12:17:24 pm
      Most old people don't have a clue either. Think that longevity provides perspective when it has just re-enforced their own biases.

      There are indeed a lot of old fools, cough cough Corbyn and McDonnell cough cough :-), but in general older people have more perspective and experience on most things.
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      Re: UK General Election June 2017
      Reply #3457: Dec 22, 2017 12:53:22 pm
      There are indeed a lot of old fools, cough cough Corbyn and McDonnell cough cough :-), but in general older people have more perspective and experience on most things.

      Not in my experience. They have become set in their ways and prejudices, I know very few who accept their view points being challenged and far too many who believe the outright lies in the Mail, Express & S*n.
      « Last Edit: Dec 22, 2017 05:15:24 pm by Roddenberry »
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      Reply #3458: Dec 22, 2017 01:47:50 pm
      Not in my experience. They have become set in their ways and prejudices, I know very few who accept change their view points being challenged and far too many who believe the outright lies in the Mail, Express & S*n.

      Pound down, productivity down, inflation up, wages stagnant, NHS in crisis, 58 "special reports" of "excruciating detail" turn out to be copy and paste from wiki, £40 (?) billion leave bill, leaving already costing £350 m a week, but hey the idiots have got blue passports back.
      You just know that when they try to use those passports, they'll do nothing but complain about having to queue at customs.

      All this talk of "they depend more on us than we do on them" is errant nonsense, and the tories don't have a clue what they're doing.
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      Reply #3459: Dec 23, 2017 01:14:52 am
      Most young people have absolutely no idea what's good for them, they are arrogant yet know very little. Its one reason why throughout history society has been run by elders who have gained wisdom and knowledge throughout their lives.

      This might be in the top five of the stupidest comments I've seen in my entire life.

      I guess I'm young and dumb though.
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      Reply #3460: Dec 23, 2017 12:10:10 pm
      Most young people have absolutely no idea what's good for them, they are arrogant yet know very little. Its one reason why throughout history society has been run by elders who have gained wisdom and knowledge throughout their lives.
      depends on how young. When I was under 25 I agree, I didn't know what I know now.. but after a certain age I think Wisdom can regress. They may know some more facts about some wars and who were the best singers in 1950 etc... But those same people appear on TV and can't tell the difference between a fraudulent email and a real one and say they lost x amount of money etc.... Wisdom is only as good as the time it's useful in. It's quality not quantity.

      Next generation will probably like oculus rift, i wouldn't go near one of those ridiculous looking monstrousities.

      As for politics, elder generations have robbed younger generations by borrowing and making things easier for themselves and lumping the cost on the current generation. They continue to screw the younger generation by voting in fat cats for their own gain, whilst there is record levels of homeless children.
      « Last Edit: Dec 23, 2017 12:24:34 pm by Ribapuru »
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      Reply #3461: Dec 25, 2017 10:08:42 am
      To make it official in UK law which will be replacing EU law.

      Yes but you said it changes absolutely nothing, so why make it into UK law I ask again? It's another Tory gimmick along with the passport colour change to keep the brexiteers sweet, the government needs to stick to the important things not gimmicks.
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      Re: UK General Election June 2017
      Reply #3462: Dec 25, 2017 10:33:57 am
      Not in my experience. They have become set in their ways and prejudices, I know very few who accept their view points being challenged and far too many who believe the outright lies in the Mail, Express & S*n.

      So the snowflake take offence at everything generation have in your no doubt vast experience and opinion more wisdom than the older generation, erm ok.
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      Re: UK General Election June 2017
      Reply #3463: Dec 25, 2017 10:40:52 am
      Pound down, productivity down, inflation up, wages stagnant, NHS in crisis, 58 "special reports" of "excruciating detail" turn out to be copy and paste from wiki, £40 (?) billion leave bill, leaving already costing £350 m a week, but hey the idiots have got blue passports back.
      You just know that when they try to use those passports, they'll do nothing but complain about having to queue at customs.

      All this talk of "they depend more on us than we do on them" is errant nonsense, and the tories don't have a clue what they're doing.

      Pound is devalued yes, which is good for exporters and was a correction which was way oversdue.
      inflation was due to rise anyway so nothing to do with Brexit
      Wages stagnant is obviously not good but increasing public sector slaries to even higher than private sector will do little to help.
      NHS funding is year on year every year going up, maybe we need to have fewer people in the country or a more efficient NHS?
      £40 billion leaving bill is equivalent to 2 years membership and is based on us getting a free trade agreement so who cares really.
      How is leaving costing £350 million a week, more detail and facts on this please
      Blue passports are a sign of independence from the EU, they should be celebrated not mocked and there is no reason why you sholdn't still be able to use the fast lane when flying within the EU, that is just petty from the EU.

      The EU sell more to the UK than the UK sell to the EU so even in a worst case scenario the government could use collected tariffs on imports to subsidide exporters and still have a profit so yeah they kind of do need one of their biggest markets.

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      Reply #3464: Dec 25, 2017 10:41:50 am
      This might be in the top five of the stupidest comments I've seen in my entire life.

      I guess I'm young and dumb though.

      Yes you are snowflake and f**king arrogant as well if you believe you know more of the world than an older person.
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      Reply #3465: Dec 25, 2017 10:47:14 am
      Pound is devalued yes, which is good for exporters and was a correction which was way oversdue.
      inflation was due to rise anyway so nothing to do with Brexit
      Wages stagnant is obviously not good but increasing public sector slaries to even higher than private sector will do little to help.
      NHS funding is year on year every year going up, maybe we need to have fewer people in the country or a more efficient NHS?
      £40 billion leaving bill is equivalent to 2 years membership and is based on us getting a free trade agreement so who cares really.
      How is leaving costing £350 million a week, more detail and facts on this please
      Blue passports are a sign of independence from the EU, they should be celebrated not mocked and there is no reason why you sholdn't still be able to use the fast lane when flying within the EU, that is just petty from the EU.

      The EU sell more to the UK than the UK sell to the EU so even in a worst case scenario the government could use collected tariffs on imports to subsidide exporters and still have a profit so yeah they kind of do need one of their biggest markets.



      Load of sh*t towing the Tory f*cking line and fabrication. You may pull the wool with some people but not me. Have a good Christmas.
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      Reply #3466: Dec 25, 2017 10:47:40 am
      depends on how young. When I was under 25 I agree, I didn't know what I know now.. but after a certain age I think Wisdom can regress. They may know some more facts about some wars and who were the best singers in 1950 etc... But those same people appear on TV and can't tell the difference between a fraudulent email and a real one and say they lost x amount of money etc.... Wisdom is only as good as the time it's useful in. It's quality not quantity.

      Next generation will probably like oculus rift, i wouldn't go near one of those ridiculous looking monstrousities.

      As for politics, elder generations have robbed younger generations by borrowing and making things easier for themselves and lumping the cost on the current generation. They continue to screw the younger generation by voting in fat cats for their own gain, whilst there is record levels of homeless children.

      Yes but you said it changes absolutely nothing, so why make it into UK law I ask again? It's another Tory gimmick along with the passport colour change to keep the brexiteers sweet, the government needs to stick to the important things not gimmicks.

      No you misunderstand a bit, when I said it changes nothing I was referring to the remainers attempts to block it. We leave on the 29th March 2019 whether it is written into UK law or not but obviously its better to have these things nice and official. However in this case EU law says that we leave and we are still under that auspicious judiciary until 29th March 2019 so we are leaving.
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      Reply #3467: Dec 25, 2017 10:48:42 am
      Load of sh*t towing the Tory f*cking line and fabrication. You may pull the wool with some people but not me. Have a good Christmas.

      And fantastic socialist avoidance of answering any questions or arguments.

      Having said I wish you all a very Merry Christmas :-)
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      Re: UK General Election June 2017
      Reply #3468: Dec 25, 2017 11:08:41 am
      So the snowflake take offence at everything generation have in your no doubt vast experience and opinion more wisdom than the older generation, erm ok.

      The thing that has most upset this generation has been the general acceptance of casual racism and greed of the previous generation, which seems to upset that generation a lot, I guess that makes everyone a snowflake. How apt for this time of year.

      The truth is, I've seen a far higher percentage of people become more racist, embrace hatred as they age than I have seen embrace change and stick to things they call 'tried and tested' in an era where they are no longer fit for purpose.

      And this generation didn't ask for participation trophies or other crap like that, that was what the previous generation who foisted it upon them.  This generation asked for bullying to stop, sexual harassment to stop, gender inequality to stop and that, for some unknown reason and yet again triggered these older snowflakes. All I can say is screw 'em, they're on the wrong side of history this time.
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      Reply #3469: Dec 25, 2017 12:17:24 pm
      Pound is devalued yes, which is good for exporters and was a correction which was way oversdue.
      inflation was due to rise anyway so nothing to do with Brexit
      Wages stagnant is obviously not good but increasing public sector slaries to even higher than private sector will do little to help.
      NHS funding is year on year every year going up, maybe we need to have fewer people in the country or a more efficient NHS?
      £40 billion leaving bill is equivalent to 2 years membership and is based on us getting a free trade agreement so who cares really.
      How is leaving costing £350 million a week, more detail and facts on this please
      Blue passports are a sign of independence from the EU, they should be celebrated not mocked and there is no reason why you sholdn't still be able to use the fast lane when flying within the EU, that is just petty from the EU.

      The EU sell more to the UK than the UK sell to the EU so even in a worst case scenario the government could use collected tariffs on imports to subsidide exporters and still have a profit so yeah they kind of do need one of their biggest markets.



      You really believe that NHS spending is going up year on year don't you? You believe everything that comes out of the Tories gobsh*te whether it be Osborne or May or Hammond. Look into the facts properly instead of believing everything a politician says, all the "proper" info is out there if you bother to look but I don't think you want to believe that the Tories are lying. The only way to have a fully functioning NHS (or any public service) is to raise taxes and national insurance contributions, yes you may pay an extra 300 quid a year but if everyone wants a decent service the money has to come from taxes and it must only go where it is meant to go. Of course governments are so scared of losing power. The Tories are the self proclaimed party of low taxes, and would prefer to cut funding to services instead, it's madness, they are asking the NHS to find 22 billion in savings! That's a f*ck lot of dosh but don't get me wrong here, I am sure savings can be made and I am all for that as long as it doesn't affect the efficiency that people deserve. I could be wrong but I truly believe if one of the main parties stuck it's neck out and said "look, the truth is we need extra money for the NHS in the form of taxes and you will have a second to none health service" the majority would want to stump up. Everyone needs the service so everyone should put into it. Actually the only politician to speak the truth on this was Tim Farron.
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      Re: UK General Election June 2017
      Reply #3470: Dec 25, 2017 02:06:21 pm
      Yes you are snowflake and f**king arrogant as well if you believe you know more of the world than an older person.

      :lmao:

      The wise old man calls me a snowflake and f**king arrogant. The irony in your statements of wisdom and know-it-all, only to come at me with the most generic of old man insults without any basis, is f**king hilarious.

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      Re: UK General Election June 2017
      Reply #3471: Dec 25, 2017 09:05:02 pm
      Most young people have absolutely no idea what's good for them, they are arrogant yet know very little. Its one reason why throughout history society has been run by elders who have gained wisdom and knowledge throughout their lives.

      :lmao:
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      Reply #3472: Dec 25, 2017 10:01:26 pm
      That's the Crimbo spirit!

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      Reply #3473: Dec 25, 2017 10:26:17 pm
      Yes you are snowflake and f**king arrogant as well if you believe you know more of the world than an older person.
       

      f**king hell.old tory tw*t making us old anarcho skinheads look f**king bad,viva la revolution.

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      Re: UK General Election June 2017
      Reply #3474: Dec 26, 2017 12:44:37 am

      I'm sorry Shabs, I'm just not old and wise enough to really know what Christmas spirit is. You're talking about alcohol right? No? Man I feel f**king dumb. I hope the next 10-20 years go by quick so I can be smart and wise like heimdall and Donald Trump!

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