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      Is It Our Coaching ...Or What ?

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      MIRO
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      Is It Our Coaching ...Or What ?
      Apr 27, 2017 12:53:51 pm
      Last weekend we saw an ex player Benteke score two goals against us .
      A player we bought then sold on.
      A player now getting into positions.
      Someone Tim Sherwood described as "If you feed the beast he will give you goals" meaning send the crosses in. With us in some games he looked woefully lost.

      We've seen Mama being a revelation at Palace instead of someone who at times was afraid of the ball.  In the same team Martin Kelly is central to the defensive set up  there.

      Then we turn to Box Of Frogs Balotelli who TPM sat down for two hours with to "get inside his head". He is banging in goals left right and centre for Nice .

      Aspas ?  Another reject of ours who is currently fifth highest scorer in La Liga on 21 .

      Theres plenty of other examples of players who didn't perform for us but are now doing their stuff at other clubs .

      So what is it ? 
      Coaching ? Style of play?

      Square pegs in round holes ?
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      Reply #1: Apr 27, 2017 01:24:32 pm
      it probably has alot to do with the coaching musical chairs we have had in recent years.  new coaches mean new tactics and the desire to find his own players to fulfil vision

      hence why i hope we hang to klopp for along time. he needs a few seasons to weed out the garbage and find his players and then hopefully we see the fruits of his work

      there is also the commitee......
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      Re: Is It Our Coaching ...Or What ?
      Reply #2: Apr 27, 2017 01:36:58 pm
      Last weekend we saw an ex player Benteke score two goals against us .
      A player we bought then sold on.
      A player now getting into positions.
      Someone Tim Sherwood described as "If you feed the beast he will give you goals" meaning send the crosses in. With us in some games he looked woefully lost.

      We've seen Mama being a revelation at Palace instead of someone who at times was afraid of the ball.  In the same team Martin Kelly is central to the defensive set up  there.

      Then we turn to Box Of Frogs Balotelli who TPM sat down for two hours with to "get inside his head". He is banging in goals left right and centre for Nice .

      Aspas ?  Another reject of ours who is currently fifth highest scorer in La Liga on 21 .

      Theres plenty of other examples of players who didn't perform for us but are now doing their stuff at other clubs .

      So what is it ? 
      Coaching ? Style of play?

      Square pegs in round holes ?


      It happens everywhere.  Diego Forlan? Absolute waste of time at United, went on to be key for Athletico.

      It happens so often and for so many different players and clubs it's impossible to pinpoint one issue.

      Sakho for example i don't think Klopp didn't rate as a player, it's just he made an example of him in terms of the discipline of the squad.

      Benteke on the other hand might have been more what you describe as a square peg in a round hole. Just didn't suit the system.

      Each example will be different but it's definitely not an issue only we have. In fact it works the other way too, for example Mascherano was frozen out at West Ham, came here and played brilliantly for a few seasons before joining Barca.
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      Reply #3: Apr 27, 2017 01:43:28 pm
      Last weekend we saw an ex player Benteke score two goals against us .
      A player we bought then sold on.
      A player now getting into positions.
      Someone Tim Sherwood described as "If you feed the beast he will give you goals" meaning send the crosses in. With us in some games he looked woefully lost.

      We've seen Mama being a revelation at Palace instead of someone who at times was afraid of the ball.  In the same team Martin Kelly is central to the defensive set up  there.

      Then we turn to Box Of Frogs Balotelli who TPM sat down for two hours with to "get inside his head". He is banging in goals left right and centre for Nice .

      Aspas ?  Another reject of ours who is currently fifth highest scorer in La Liga on 21 .

      Theres plenty of other examples of players who didn't perform for us but are now doing their stuff at other clubs .

      So what is it ? 
      Coaching ? Style of play?

      Square pegs in round holes ?


      Can't be the coach Skip we got a brand new big shiny red one  ;D!

      seriously it's down to our style and perhaps level required,
      In Benteke it was definitely style he just didn't fit in with what Jürgen wanted, and it could be argued he has found his level,
      Same with Aspas although to be fair to the lad he wasn't given enough opportunities, maybe he too has found a club that suits his level,

      Kelly again for me wasn't given enough opportunities, he's much more mature now and obviously experienced, so good luck to him,

      As for Balotelli he was just a f***in nutter,  determined to F**k things up regardless who he worked under, he will shine in France but I'm betting he has the 'Frogs' eating out of his hands tho,


      See what I did there Skip?

      YNWA

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      Re: Is It Our Coaching ...Or What ?
      Reply #4: Apr 27, 2017 02:32:20 pm
      Last weekend we saw an ex player Benteke score two goals against us .
      A player we bought then sold on.
      A player now getting into positions.
      Someone Tim Sherwood described as "If you feed the beast he will give you goals" meaning send the crosses in. With us in some games he looked woefully lost.

      We've seen Mama being a revelation at Palace instead of someone who at times was afraid of the ball.  In the same team Martin Kelly is central to the defensive set up  there.

      Then we turn to Box Of Frogs Balotelli who TPM sat down for two hours with to "get inside his head". He is banging in goals left right and centre for Nice .

      Aspas ?  Another reject of ours who is currently fifth highest scorer in La Liga on 21 .

      Theres plenty of other examples of players who didn't perform for us but are now doing their stuff at other clubs .

      So what is it ? 
      Coaching ? Style of play?

      Square pegs in round holes ?


      Maybe too pressurized by us fans. They have no room for mistakes and are expected to win every match. We tend to blame everything but ourselves. We should consider this as well.
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      Re: Is It Our Coaching ...Or What ?
      Reply #5: Apr 27, 2017 02:45:33 pm
      Last weekend we saw an ex player Benteke score two goals against us .
      A player we bought then sold on.
      A player now getting into positions.
      Someone Tim Sherwood described as "If you feed the beast he will give you goals" meaning send the crosses in. With us in some games he looked woefully lost.

      We've seen Mama being a revelation at Palace instead of someone who at times was afraid of the ball.  In the same team Martin Kelly is central to the defensive set up  there.

      Then we turn to Box Of Frogs Balotelli who TPM sat down for two hours with to "get inside his head". He is banging in goals left right and centre for Nice .

      Aspas ?  Another reject of ours who is currently fifth highest scorer in La Liga on 21 .

      Theres plenty of other examples of players who didn't perform for us but are now doing their stuff at other clubs .

      So what is it ? 
      Coaching ? Style of play?

      Square pegs in round holes ?


      We don't play with orthodox wingers to lump in crosses.

      Sakho a revelation really? He has just done what he did here for the last 3 years, look decent for a run of games then get injured. - Dont bother to look at the number of games he has played for us in the last 3.5 years you might get a shock!

      Balotelli has found his level in the French League.

      Aspas, good technical little player but who weighs about 6 stone and not able to cope with the EPL.

      I would say its the "OR" I would suggest you should look at our recruitment policy instead?
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      Reply #6: Apr 27, 2017 02:50:53 pm
      Last weekend we saw an ex player Benteke score two goals against us .
      A player we bought then sold on.
      A player now getting into positions.
      Someone Tim Sherwood described as "If you feed the beast he will give you goals" meaning send the crosses in. With us in some games he looked woefully lost.

      We've seen Mama being a revelation at Palace instead of someone who at times was afraid of the ball.  In the same team Martin Kelly is central to the defensive set up  there.

      Then we turn to Box Of Frogs Balotelli who TPM sat down for two hours with to "get inside his head". He is banging in goals left right and centre for Nice .

      Aspas ?  Another reject of ours who is currently fifth highest scorer in La Liga on 21 .

      Theres plenty of other examples of players who didn't perform for us but are now doing their stuff at other clubs .

      So what is it ? 
      Coaching ? Style of play?

      Square pegs in round holes ?


      The problem for me is the last part mate. Square pegs in round holes, the manager didn't want the likes of Balotelli, Aspas, perhaps even Sakho (look at the recruitment of Lovren to back that up).

      So he wasn't inclined to play to their strengths and get the best out of them to then lessen his hand in the famous 'committee', it was all part of the total sh*t show that was our transfer policy while Brendan was in charge and thankfully, as mentioned in another thread, it appears that we're moving away from that. Never again do I want to see players bougtht and never play for us without clear and obvious reasons.

      The manager's vision and how he wants us to play has to be the driving force behind these decisions and I hope the rumours of "FSG learning their lessons" are true because with or without Jürgen (I do think he's been the catalyst for change) we can't move forward under that old system.
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      Reply #7: Apr 27, 2017 05:14:22 pm
      Never again do I want to see players bougtht and never play for us without clear and obvious reasons.

      Or as the was the case with TPM playing politics with players in not playing them to prove a point to the Committee.

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      Reply #8: Apr 27, 2017 05:24:53 pm
      If Tim Sherwood said it, then it must be true.

      "TPM", seriously?
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      Reply #9: Apr 27, 2017 05:48:38 pm
      Silk purses and sow's ears spring to mind.
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      Reply #10: Apr 27, 2017 06:17:22 pm
      If Tim Sherwood said it, then it must be true.

      "TPM", seriously?

      I don't get all this TPM stuff at all.

      Even Hodgson seems to get his name used on here more than Brendan.

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      Reply #11: Apr 27, 2017 06:26:59 pm
      I don't get all this TPM stuff at all.

      Even Hodgson seems to get his name used on here more than Brendan.

      Ridiculous, isn't it.
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      Reply #12: Apr 27, 2017 06:50:37 pm

      The manager's vision and how he wants us to play has to be the driving force behind these decisions and I hope the rumours of "FSG learning their lessons" are true because with or without Jürgen (I do think he's been the catalyst for change) we can't move forward under that old system.


      I also hope the 'rumours' of 'FSG learning a lesson' have some credibility Luke.

      Unfortunately 8 (eight) seasons of similar optimism has proved groundless, someone is consistently telling porkies with LFC's status shot to F***ing bits as a result.

      There is no reason anything of any consequence will happen to affect FSG's modus operandi which is now set in stone, regardless of the placations.

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      Reply #13: Apr 27, 2017 06:58:52 pm
      I also hope the 'rumours' of 'FSG learning a lesson' have some credibility Luke.

      Unfortunately 8 (eight) seasons of similar optimism has proved groundless, someone is consistently telling porkies with LFC's status shot to f**king bits as a result.

      There is no reason anything of any consequence will happen to affect FSG's modus operandi which is now set in stone, regardless of the placations.



      Agreed mate, Corbs made a good point on twitter about how the rumours of large transfer funds seems to always come out just prior to season ticket renewals so those cynics amongst us will probably bite on that idea.
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      Reply #14: Apr 27, 2017 07:49:22 pm
      The coaching must have something to do with our form, just look at corners, both for and against, can't score from them and can't defend from them and most of that is down to organisation
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      Reply #15: Apr 27, 2017 08:18:45 pm
      The coaching must have something to do with our form, just look at corners, both for and against, can't score from them and can't defend from them and most of that is down to organisation

      So why aren't people crying out for a defensive coach to be signed like they were when Brendan was in charge?
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      Reply #16: Apr 27, 2017 08:19:39 pm
      The coaching must have something to do with our form, just look at corners, both for and against, can't score from them and can't defend from them and most of that is down to organisation

      We still have a free kick  / set piece problem that we cant seem to overcome.
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      Reply #17: Apr 27, 2017 08:27:50 pm
      Agreed mate, Corbs made a good point on twitter about how the rumours of large transfer funds seems to always come out just prior to season ticket renewals so those cynics amongst us will probably bite on that idea.

      Corbs being cynical, surely not
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      Reply #18: Apr 27, 2017 10:02:25 pm
      We still have a free kick  / set piece problem that we cant seem to overcome.

      Our World class manager still hasn't sorted that.

      One of a few disappointments on his behalf.
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      Reply #19: Apr 28, 2017 08:13:45 am
      Our manager hasn't sorted out plan B either
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      Reply #20: Apr 28, 2017 08:45:54 am
      Could it be the coaching or could it be that the majority of players we have bought in recent  seasons have not been good enough and should never have been bought.
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      Reply #21: Apr 28, 2017 09:10:55 am
      I don't get all this TPM stuff at all.
      Ha ha ha... (if i remember) it all stems back to a time when moderator(s), in a thread, suggested Brendan was being discussed too much because his name was causing friction Si - if you recall it was like a Red rag to a hypocrite. 😁

      To circumvent the 'ban' [and to annoy the hypocrites no doubt] the term TPM entered forum lingo... as did average ppg. 😂

      Crazy times but funny as F**k. Anyways... next season; eh? 😎

      On topic: there are a myriad of reasons why players preform better elswhere; coaching may be just one (a small one).

      « Last Edit: Apr 28, 2017 09:17:41 am by bad boy bubby »
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      Reply #22: Apr 28, 2017 09:40:20 am
      I don't get all this TPM stuff at all.

      Even Hodgson seems to get his name used on here more than Brendan.



      It's embarrassing.

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