Is It Our Coaching ...Or What ?

Our manager hasn't sorted out plan B either

Plan B left at the end of the season and scored two goals against last week!

Tpm stands for?

Could it be the coaching or could it be that the majority of players we have bought in recent  seasons have not been good enough and should never have been bought.

This the the closest reason to what I thought. Please Mr. Klopp no more going back to the Bundeslique and waste a bucketful of dosh to recruit slow mos and lighweights. It simply won't work in the PL which is fast and furious. I would say get a bloody fast and robust DM and left back in as a top priority. Too manyy players with one hollywood performance and gone missing in the next 5 games. Too many average players.

I would keep only Matip, Mane and Cou. 

Could it be the coaching or could it be that the majority of players we have bought in recent  seasons have not been good enough and should never have been bought.

I think all the one's that shouldn't have been bought have been pretty much cleared off, in Klopp's eyes.

The boss was happy with what he had...

In fact, he was that happy he only brought in Gini, Matip and Mane to the existing eleven, and gave the likes of Mignolet and Lovren new contracts.

So, you tell me.

Too much fudging around, too much playing politics with selection, too much experimentation and ad-hoc gap-filling with patchy reserves, too much so-called 'philosophy' and too little thought about playing to the strengths of the players we have.

When you have a striker like Carroll or Benteke, you send in crosses.  Good ones, and lots of them.  We asked them to play like f**king Messi.  Madness.

We had 2 past managers who rely heavily on a 'style' and 'method' as opposed to working with the tools they are given.

So perfectly fine players who 'don't fit into the system' get sold on after 1 year of buying them.

This policy is very bizarre to me. Complete waist of money. Astonishingly, we aren't even crafty enough to only sell certain players to non-premier league clubs.

We quite possibly have thee worst transfer record in the top 5/6 over the past couple of season. People should be losing their jobs imho.

Are you confident that even if we had large investment in the squad this summer that the players would work out? I certainly dont.

Tpm stands for?

The previous manager?

Or as the was the case with TPM playing politics with players in not playing them to prove a point to the Committee.

Yet... Jürgen didn't keep Balotelli [or play to his strengths] and didn't want to play the disruptive Sakho either: presumably to prove the same point to the same people? 

Are we now accepting that Brendan got it right with those two? Nice one - that acceptance shows a growth in mental maturity if nothing else. 

As for "square pegs" Skip; do you mean like Milner? 

As for "square pegs" Skip; do you mean like Milner? 

Milner has been a revelation at left back  the only square peg being Moreno .

Milner has been a revelation at left back

So... to answer your original question...
 

Square pegs in round holes ?

... it's not the concept of square pegs in round holes that's a problem.   

 

So... to answer your original question...
 

... it's not the concept of square pegs in round holes that's a problem.   

 

What is  ?

What is  ?

Well let's look at it logically to see if I can help you. You offered three 'options'...

So what is it ?
 
Coaching ?

Style of play?

Square pegs in round holes ?

And... we have just ruled out "Square pegs?" That leaves two; "coaching?" and "style of play?".

I assume like me you believe Jürgen to be a top coach so it can't be "coaching?".

That just leaves... "style of play?".

See?

Wasn't that easy? 

You're welcome.

What a distortion of the truth!

Balotelli - Shouldn't have been bought. Brendan ended up accepting his purchase and in doing so became responsible for getting the most out of him, along with the rest of the strikers he wanted to go into that season with. He couldn't!

Jürgen didn't keep Balotelli for his own reasons but if I were to speculate it was most probably because we don't play a system that suits him and he also recognised in Firmino we had a player who was much better. Trying to say this is the same as what Brendan did is the hilarious part, it's the exact opposite! Same as with Sakho, he got rid of the disruptive aspect as soon as he could, Brendan signed him! Both problems Brendan oversaw, both problems Brendan introduced which Jürgen is now attempting to put right, those are the facts. Trying to equate them is an hilarious juggling act of the truth.

Square pegs in round holes - take a look at the discussions prior to the season, it was suggested many times that Milner being the starting LB would be a mistake and if he starts there next season it will be an even bigger mistake. The difference though couldn't be bigger - in Brendan's case we went from having a cohesive and devastating unit to one with absolutely no chemistry, chopping and changing systems, as many as 4 or 5 times during a single match. Brendan bought the square pegs! The transformation from the nearly year to beyond that highlighted just what a poor job he was doing, the two were unrecognisable. Now Jürgen is in the building phase, he is putting the pieces together nicely and the chemistry/cohesion and identity of the team is becoming quite clear. When he gets this team to the stage where we either win the league or come close then I don't believe we'll see him selling our best players and replacing them with a group square pegs for round holes, if he does he'll be met with the same level of criticism Brendan was. Trying to make out that keeping Milner on as LB (after trying to sign LBs) is equatable to what Brendan did is total and utter bullshit but frankly par for the course.

The fact that you still can't let go of these issues after all this time is truly pathetic. Not surprising that you keep twisting the facts until you're comfortable with your position but honestly you'd be better served by letting go of all this angst. Very sad.

I'm struggling to see any evidence of coaching when it comes to the defence. What's changed ?

I'm struggling to see any evidence of coaching when it comes to the defence. What's changed ?

Can't coach poor players like Klavan and Lucas to play CB.

Lovren imo is not good enough either for the way Jürgen sets up the team with both full backs high up the pitch meaning the CBs gave to win their 1v1 battles something where Lovren is poor and with Lucas plaing DM exacerbates the issues.

Get better defenders like Matip and Clyne and although we will still leak goals because we are such an attacking team we should not see the comical goals conceded.

Can't coach poor players like Klavan and Lucas to play CB.

Lovren imo is not good enough either for the way Jürgen sets up the team with both full backs high up the pitch meaning the CBs gave to win their 1v1 battles something where Lovren is poor and with Lucas plaing DM exacerbates the issues.

Get better defenders like Matip and Clyne and although we will still leak goals because we are such an attacking team we should not see the comical goals conceded.

Alladyce does it with every team he goes to. He gets a response and improves the way the team defends. That is down to coaching.
I don't rate Clyne as a defender .

Alladyce does it with every team he goes to. He gets a response and improves the way the team defends. That is down to coaching.
I don't rate Clyne as a defender .

What happened to his coaching today with his first choice CB's out?

What happened to his coaching today with his first choice CB's out?

Ha he not improved that clusterfuck of a team ?

Ha he not improved that clusterfuck of a team ?

He has done what all the top managers do, shore up the defence and grab a lucky goal, Allardyce does it, Bruce does, Pulis does it, Mourinho does it.

Its not improvement, its desperate times require desperate measures tactics. Against Burnley, Allardyce got found out.

He has done what all the top managers do, shore up the defence and grab a lucky goal, Allardyce does it, Bruce does, Pulis does it, Mourinho does it.

Its not improvement, its desperate times require desperate measures tactics. Against Burnley, Allardyce got found out.

Yeh , after beating us , Chelsea and Arsenal . F***ing hell . Mourinho wins sh*t loads of trophies where ever he goes.

Alladyce does it with every team he goes to. He gets a response and improves the way the team defends. That is down to coaching.
I don't rate Clyne as a defender .

Okay. Let's get Allardyce to replace Klopp at LFC. 

Okay. Let's get Allardyce to replace Klopp at LFC. 

What are you doing,trying to start a riot.

Okay. Let's get Allardyce to replace Klopp at LFC. 

He'll keep us up.