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      Liverpool players to keep, sell or loan out.

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      Liverpool players to keep, sell or loan out.
      May 22, 2017 06:48:22 pm
      With the season over, if you were the manager who would you keep, sell or loan out.

      To keep:

      Loris Karius
      Nathaniel Clyne
      Georginio Wijnaldum
      Dejan Lovren
      James Milner
      Philippe Coutinho
      Roberto Firmino
      Joe Gomez
      Jordan Henderson
      Daniel Sturridge
      Marko Grujić
      Sadio Mané
      Adam Lallana
      Lucas Leiva (offer him a new contract)
      Simon Mignolet
      Emre Can
      Lazar Marković
      Trent Alexander-Arnold
      Divock Origi
      Danny Ings
      Joël Matip
      Danny Ward

      To sell:

      Mamadou Sakho
      Alex Manninger (Release)
      Ragnar Klavan
      Alberto Moreno
      Cameron Brannagan
      Ádám Bogdán
      Kevin Stewart
      Jon Flanagan
      Connor Randall
      Rhian Brewster
      Pedro Chirivella
      Andre Wisdom

      To loan out:

      Harry Wilson (Top Championship club)
      Ryan Fulton (Championship club)
      Ryan Kent (Championship club)
      Jack Dunn (Championship club)
      Ovie Ejaria (Top Championship club)
      Sheyi Ojo (Top Championship club or Premiership club)
      Ben Woodburn (Top Championship club)
      Allan (because of international clearance)
      Taiwo Awoniyi (Top Championship club)
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      Re: Liverpool players to keep, sell or loan out.
      Reply #1: May 22, 2017 06:55:55 pm
      With the season over, if you were the manager who would you keep, sell or loan out.


      Why would you sell Brewster?

      Klavan I reckon will stay as a defensive backup.

      Otherwise that seems about right, unless Klopp sees one of those young players as ready to break through for regular inclusion in the first team.
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      Reply #2: May 22, 2017 06:58:41 pm
      Why would you sell Brewster?

      Klavan I reckon will stay as a defensive backup.

      Otherwise that seems about right, unless Klopp sees one of those young players as ready to break through for regular inclusion in the first team.

      I would sell Klavan because I think we would sign a top defender. With new CB, Matip starting in XI leaves Lovren, Gomez, Lucas as back up defenders.

      To be honest, I do not know much about Brewster, if he is any good then I would loan him.
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      Reply #3: May 22, 2017 07:07:03 pm
      I would sell Klavan because I think we would sign a top defender. With new CB, Matip starting in XI leaves Lovren, Gomez, Lucas as back up defenders.

      To be honest, I do not know much about Brewster, if he is any good then I would loan him.

      Seemed to really come on for the U18s then the 23s in the 2nd half of the season. Some of the staff are raving about him. A loan is probably more likely, although Klopp seems to like keeping the brightest prospects close by.
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      Reply #4: May 22, 2017 07:10:16 pm
      Seemed to really come on for the U18s then the 23s in the 2nd half of the season. Some of the staff are raving about him. A loan is probably more likely, although Klopp seems to like keeping the brightest prospects close by.


      If they are sent to a good manager like Wagner or managers who gives youth some time, I think loan time can be crucial.
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      Re: Liverpool players to keep, sell or loan out.
      Reply #5: May 22, 2017 07:14:14 pm
      Lovren, Markovic and Lucas can go too.
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      Reply #6: May 22, 2017 07:34:25 pm
      Lovren, Markovic and Lucas can go too.

      I had a long thought about those three as well but I came to the conclusion that Lovren has just signed new contract and we need a good defender as back-up (with Matip a little injury prone).

      Lucas if he is happy as a part player, I would give him a new contract for his qualities like leadership and experience.

      In Markovic, somewhere there is a player but his mentality is poor. I would give him some playing time and put Mane as his mentor because he has some pace as well. I would give him a last chance.
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      Reply #7: May 23, 2017 12:20:43 am
      In Markovic, somewhere there is a player but his mentality is poor. I would give him some playing time and put Mane as his mentor because he has some pace as well. I would give him a last chance.

      Waste of time IMO. Failed to impress this season with 2 different clubs. The first of which having his loan move terminated because it wasn't working out. Maybe in the right team he will flourish but that team isn't us. From that interview I read of his lately, I get the impression he is a bit of a big time Charlie and thinks he should be walking straight into our team.

      Much rather we bothered with someone who actually has the potential to go on and be a good player for us and that has the right mentality. So Markovic is on the list to go IMO.
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      Reply #8: May 23, 2017 12:51:02 am
      I don't know about the whole list, but I'd keep Sakho, I'd get rid of Moreno, and I'd loan out Origi.
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      Reply #9: May 23, 2017 01:33:32 pm
      To keep:

      Loris Karius
      Nathaniel Clyne
      Georginio Wijnaldum
      Dejan Lovren
      James Milner
      Philippe Coutinho
      Roberto Firmino
      Joe Gomez
      Jordan Henderson
      Daniel Sturridge
      Marko Grujić
      Sadio Mané
      Adam Lallana
      Lucas Leiva
      Simon Mignolet
      Emre Can
      Trent Alexander-Arnold
      Divock Origi
      Danny Ings
      Joël Matip
      Danny Ward
      Jon Flanagan (should be given another season)

      To sell:

      Lazar Marković
      Mamadou Sakho
      Alex Manninger
      Ragnar Klavan
      Alberto Moreno
      Cameron Brannagan
      Ádám Bogdán
      Kevin Stewart
      Connor Randall
      Pedro Chirivella
      Andre Wisdom

      To loan out:

      Anyone i have not mentioned.
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      Re: Liverpool players to keep, sell or loan out.
      Reply #10: May 23, 2017 02:22:56 pm
      Waste of time IMO. Failed to impress this season with 2 different clubs. The first of which having his loan move terminated because it wasn't working out. Maybe in the right team he will flourish but that team isn't us. From that interview I read of his lately, I get the impression he is a bit of a big time Charlie and thinks he should be walking straight into our team.

      Much rather we bothered with someone who actually has the potential to go on and be a good player for us and that has the right mentality. So Markovic is on the list to go IMO.

      Sakho's ship has sailed. We all need to accept that (or should have accepted at the beginning of the season). He is/will no longer be for LFC. Simples.
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      Reply #11: May 23, 2017 02:46:47 pm
      Sakho's ship has sailed. We all need to accept that (or should have accepted at the beginning of the season). He is/will no longer be for LFC. Simples.

      He is speaking about Markovic not Sakho.
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      Re: Liverpool players to keep, sell or loan out.
      Reply #12: May 23, 2017 02:55:38 pm
      To keep:

      Loris Karius
      Nathaniel Clyne
      Georginio Wijnaldum
      Dejan Lovren
      James Milner
      Philippe Coutinho
      Roberto Firmino
      Joe Gomez
      Jordan Henderson
      Daniel Sturridge
      Marko Grujić
      Sadio Mané
      Adam Lallana
      Lucas Leiva
      Simon Mignolet
      Emre Can
      Trent Alexander-Arnold
      Divock Origi
      Danny Ings
      Joël Matip
      Danny Ward
      Jon Flanagan (should be given another season)

      To sell:

      Lazar Marković
      Mamadou Sakho
      Alex Manninger
      Ragnar Klavan
      Alberto Moreno
      Cameron Brannagan
      Ádám Bogdán
      Kevin Stewart
      Connor Randall
      Pedro Chirivella
      Andre Wisdom

      To loan out:

      Anyone i have not mentioned.

      Danny Ward is a 100% loan out IMO. He needs more experience, experience he won't get as our 3rd choice keeper.
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      Re: Liverpool players to keep, sell or loan out.
      Reply #13: May 23, 2017 03:02:25 pm
      With the season over, if you were the manager who would you keep, sell or loan out.

      Wouldn't sell Klavan.

      Looked the better defender for the majority of the games when he played with Lovren.

      Be interesting to see what happens with Flanagan.  Gut feeling is that he's out the door.

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      Reply #14: May 23, 2017 03:32:14 pm
      He is speaking about Markovic not Sakho.

      Doh! I quoted the wrong post. :(

      I meant to qoute this post from FL Red.
      I don't know about the whole list, but I'd keep Sakho, I'd get rid of Moreno, and I'd loan out Origi.
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      Reply #15: May 23, 2017 03:38:20 pm
      To sell:

      Rhian Brewster
      Pedro Chirivella

      I am surprised you would want us to sell these 2, especially Brewster. I think he just turned 17 and has potential. As for Chirivella, he had a good season on loan, so if we were to sell Lucas, I wouldn't be against him being 3rd or 4th choice #6, that or another loan spell to a lower German or Prem team imo.

      To loan out:

      Ryan Kent (Championship club)
      Ovie Ejaria (Top Championship club)
      Sheyi Ojo (Top Championship club or Premiership club)
      Ben Woodburn (Top Championship club)

      I would also like to see these loaned out, but to a lower end prem team.

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      Reply #16: May 23, 2017 05:55:50 pm
      Doh! I quoted the wrong post. :(

      I meant to qoute this post from FL Red.
      I don't know about the whole list, but I'd keep Sakho, I'd get rid of Moreno, and I'd loan out Origi.

      I know Jürgen isn't going to keep him, I'm saying I would. I believe that was the spirit of the original topic no?
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      Reply #17: May 24, 2017 12:23:06 am
      By and large I agree but with one exception. Unsurprisingly, Mignolet. I know, I know he's had a good end of season but that's the point, for the third year running he's only reached acceptable levels of performance after being dropped. That's just not acceptable. Sell him now while he's had a decent end of season and his price is relatively high, bring back Ward and have him put pressure on Karius to perform. The money we get for Mignolet can go towards spending a bit more on other priority areas.
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      Reply #18: May 24, 2017 07:24:34 am
      Loans don't work.
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      Reply #19: May 24, 2017 09:46:01 am

      In what respect?

      For me it gives them experience in a proper level of football outside of the academy games, it gets them used to being around seasoned professionals, it's an opportunity to increase their confidence, it aids their development and it keeps them ticking over until a chance in the first team arrives.

      Obviously it doesn't always work like that but no transfer does either.
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      Reply #20: May 24, 2017 09:50:55 am
      By and large I agree but with one exception. Unsurprisingly, Mignolet. I know, I know he's had a good end of season but that's the point, for the third year running he's only reached acceptable levels of performance after being dropped. That's just not acceptable. Sell him now while he's had a decent end of season and his price is relatively high, bring back Ward and have him put pressure on Karius to perform. The money we get for Mignolet can go towards spending a bit more on other priority areas.

      Genuinely, what makes you think Ward is ready? Ward is not ready to play regularly for our first team so he won't be putting pressure on anybody. 

      Mignolet performs sh*t = sell him NOW. Mignolet has a really good mid to end of season = sell him NOW. Basically you just want him sold regardless? Sell Mignolet and our keeper situation becomes a hot mess. It'll become one of the main positions we then need to address. There's no harm in keeping Mignolet for one more season and loaning Ward out, that's the common sense thing to do IMO unless we're about to sign a top keeper.
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      Re: Liverpool players to keep, sell or loan out.
      Reply #21: May 24, 2017 10:52:50 am
      With the season over, if you were the manager who would you keep, sell or loan out.

      To keep:

      Jon Flanagan
      Ragnar Klavan
      Loris Karius
      Nathaniel Clyne
      Georginio Wijnaldum
      Dejan Lovren
      James Milner
      Philippe Coutinho
      Roberto Firmino
      Joe Gomez
      Jordan Henderson
      Marko Grujić
      Sadio Mané
      Adam Lallana
      Simon Mignolet
      Emre Can
      Trent Alexander-Arnold
      Divock Origi
      Joël Matip
      Danny Ward

      To sell:

      Mamadou Sakho
      Alex Manninger (Release)
      Alberto Moreno
      Cameron Brannagan
      Ádám Bogdán
      Kevin Stewart
      Connor Randall
      Rhian Brewster
      Pedro Chirivella
      Andre Wisdom
      Danny Ings
      Lazar Marković
      Lucas Leiva

      To loan out:

      Harry Wilson (Top Championship club)
      Ryan Fulton (Championship club)
      Ryan Kent (Championship club)
      Jack Dunn (Championship club)
      Ovie Ejaria (Top Championship club)
      Sheyi Ojo (Top Championship club or Premiership club)
      Ben Woodburn (Top Championship club)
      Allan (because of international clearance)
      Taiwo Awoniyi (Top Championship club

      Other
      Daniel Sturridge (Send him stateside or down under for treatment pre-season and use the first two months of the season to get him fit. If that can not be done sell him)

      We cannot afford to carry two sick note strikers in Ings and Sturridge. We all know on his day what Sturridge is capable of, Liverpool should have bite the bullet earlier this season and sent him away for treatment and physio even if it meant he would miss the season and get him back fully sorted and fit for the coming season.... Either commit to it now or Sell him



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      Reply #22: May 24, 2017 11:10:15 am
      Genuinely, what makes you think Ward is ready? Ward is not ready to play regularly for our first team so he won't be putting pressure on anybody. 

      Mignolet performs sh*t = sell him NOW. Mignolet has a really good mid to end of season = sell him NOW. Basically you just want him sold regardless? Sell Mignolet and our keeper situation becomes a hot mess. It'll become one of the main positions we then need to address. There's no harm in keeping Mignolet for one more season and loaning Ward out, that's the common sense thing to do IMO unless we're about to sign a top keeper.

      Ward's been performing very well this season, we can either waste time sending him on loan for another year, sell him or promote him to the number 2 goalkeeping spot. I'm sure he can develop more being the number 2 keeper at Liverpool than being the number in the Championship, being first choice in domestic cups and waiting in the wings in case Karius loses form. He and Karius are both the same age so why send him out on loan and not Karius? Karius may have played more games overall but Ward has played more in this country.

      And yes I do want Mignolet sold no matter what because selling him now makes business sense. Right now his stock is high. Four years out of four with us his head's fallen off at some point during the season and in two of them he's only reached acceptable levels after being dropped and our alternative not working out. Each end of season the same mistake has been made, an assumption that next year will be different, next season he'll retain his high performances, only to be proven wrong. Why take the chance that number five would be different? Better to sell him now whilst his stock is high, than wait for it to drop. Like I said, it makes business sense.

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