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      Liverpool players to keep, sell or loan out.

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      Re: Liverpool players to keep, sell or loan out.
      Reply #23: May 24, 2017 12:22:26 pm
      Ward's been performing very well this season, we can either waste time sending him on loan for another year, sell him or promote him to the number 2 goalkeeping spot. I'm sure he can develop more being the number 2 keeper at Liverpool than being the number in the Championship, being first choice in domestic cups and waiting in the wings in case Karius loses form. He and Karius are both the same age so why send him out on loan and not Karius? Karius may have played more games overall but Ward has played more in this country.

      And yes I do want Mignolet sold no matter what because selling him now makes business sense. Right now his stock is high. Four years out of four with us his head's fallen off at some point during the season and in two of them he's only reached acceptable levels after being dropped and our alternative not working out. Each end of season the same mistake has been made, an assumption that next year will be different, next season he'll retain his high performances, only to be proven wrong. Why take the chance that number five would be different? Better to sell him now whilst his stock is high, than wait for it to drop. Like I said, it makes business sense.


      So you'd go with Karius and Ward?

      If I'd have no real issue with that either. While I think Mignolet has improved and is a steady PL level keeper you do still feel a drop in form is lurking somewhere.

      But as I said before goalkeeper is a position I'm not overly bothered with this summer.
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      Reply #24: May 24, 2017 02:07:26 pm
      With the season over, if you were the manager who would you keep, sell or loan out.

      To keep:

      Loris Karius
      Nathaniel Clyne
      Georginio Wijnaldum
      Dejan Lovren
      James Milner
      Philippe Coutinho
      Roberto Firmino
      Joe Gomez
      Jordan Henderson
      Daniel Sturridge
      Marko Grujić
      Sadio Mané
      Adam Lallana
      Lucas Leiva (offer him a new contract)
      Simon Mignolet
      Emre Can
      Lazar Marković
      Trent Alexander-Arnold
      Divock Origi
      Danny Ings
      Joël Matip
      Danny Ward

      To sell:

      Mamadou Sakho
      Alex Manninger (Release)
      Ragnar Klavan
      Alberto Moreno
      Cameron Brannagan
      Ádám Bogdán
      Kevin Stewart
      Jon Flanagan
      Connor Randall
      Rhian Brewster
      Pedro Chirivella
      Andre Wisdom

      To loan out:

      Harry Wilson (Top Championship club)
      Ryan Fulton (Championship club)
      Ryan Kent (Championship club)
      Jack Dunn (Championship club)
      Ovie Ejaria (Top Championship club)
      Sheyi Ojo (Top Championship club or Premiership club)
      Ben Woodburn (Top Championship club)
      Allan (because of international clearance)
      Taiwo Awoniyi (Top Championship club)

      Agree with all the sells apart from Stewart, think keep him.

      Also sell Lucas, Ings and Oirigi...replace them with some squad players with money generated, but decent ones that can cope with long season of CL and PL. Buy 4 or 5 top players to compete for PL and CL. Time to spend 120+ mil to really challenge.
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      Reply #25: May 24, 2017 04:01:38 pm
      Agree with all the sells apart from Stewart, think keep him.

      Also sell Lucas, Ings and Oirigi...replace them with some squad players with money generated, but decent ones that can cope with long season of CL and PL. Buy 4 or 5 top players to compete for PL and CL. Time to spend 120+ mil to really challenge.

      ehh...Think Stewart is gone..he was given a run for a short time and we never saw him again' don't think the manager fancies him and he is a step below what this club needs in the mid-field. At his age he needs games and he's not going to get it here...should have a decent career for a lower PL club or Championship side.

      As for Lucas...everybody says sell him..OK if he wants to leave then we will let him go but don't be shocked if we sell him for pennies as the club will do anything possible to make sure he gets the club he wants even to the point of giving him away.

      Prefer to keep him myself, all up to him whether a cut-down role would suit him.
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      Re: Liverpool players to keep, sell or loan out.
      Reply #26: May 24, 2017 05:38:57 pm
      In what respect?

      For me it gives them experience in a proper level of football outside of the academy games, it gets them used to being around seasoned professionals, it's an opportunity to increase their confidence, it aids their development and it keeps them ticking over until a chance in the first team arrives.

      Obviously it doesn't always work like that but no transfer does either.

      Give me one example of a loaned player for us that's gone on to do anything for us
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      Reply #27: May 24, 2017 10:37:15 pm
      So you'd go with Karius and Ward?

      If I'd have no real issue with that either. While I think Mignolet has improved and is a steady PL level keeper you do still feel a drop in form is lurking somewhere.

      But as I said before goalkeeper is a position I'm not overly bothered with this summer.

      Therein lies my point. Why wait until he does and we can't get a balloon for him? Better to sell a player on the back of a good season than on the back of a bad one. It's just a common sense approach.
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      Reply #28: May 24, 2017 11:54:11 pm
      Therein lies my point. Why wait until he does and we can't get a balloon for him? Better to sell a player on the back of a good season than on the back of a bad one. It's just a common sense approach.

      A very fair point.

      I think Mignolet on his best form is a good enough keeper for us but I would have no real issue of we went with Karius and Ward.

      Honestly pretty relaxed over the keeper position this summer so whatever happens happens.
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      Reply #29: May 25, 2017 12:12:24 am
      A very fair point.

      I think Mignolet on his best form is a good enough keeper for us but I would have no real issue of we went with Karius and Ward.

      Honestly pretty relaxed over the keeper position this summer so whatever happens happens.

      I'd be seriously concerned if we went in with Karius and Ward. The former's hardly covered himself in glory in his time here and even though Ward had a great game last week, he's looked shaky in a few games I've seen him in for Huddersfield.

      I'd take Mignolet and Karius, it's not absolutely brilliant but there's other areas that need to be improved on first. If Mignolet goes though we need to go and get another experienced keeper or we're just asking for trouble.
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      Re: Liverpool players to keep, sell or loan out.
      Reply #30: May 25, 2017 02:41:37 am
      With the season over, if you were the manager who would you keep, sell or loan out.

      To keep:

      Loris Karius
      Nathaniel Clyne
      Georginio Wijnaldum
      Dejan Lovren
      James Milner
      Philippe Coutinho
      Roberto Firmino
      Joe Gomez
      Jordan Henderson
      Daniel Sturridge
      Marko Grujić
      Sadio Mané
      Adam Lallana
      Lucas Leiva (offer him a new contract)
      Simon Mignolet
      Emre Can
      Lazar Marković
      Trent Alexander-Arnold
      Divock Origi
      Danny Ings
      Joël Matip
      Danny Ward

      To sell:

      Mamadou Sakho
      Alex Manninger (Release)
      Ragnar Klavan
      Alberto Moreno
      Cameron Brannagan
      Ádám Bogdán
      Kevin Stewart
      Jon Flanagan
      Connor Randall
      Rhian Brewster
      Pedro Chirivella
      Andre Wisdom

      To loan out:

      Harry Wilson (Top Championship club)
      Ryan Fulton (Championship club)
      Ryan Kent (Championship club)
      Jack Dunn (Championship club)
      Ovie Ejaria (Top Championship club)
      Sheyi Ojo (Top Championship club or Premiership club)
      Ben Woodburn (Top Championship club)
      Allan (because of international clearance)
      Taiwo Awoniyi (Top Championship club)

      If I were the manager, no categories would exist, it would be down to me surely?
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      Reply #31: May 29, 2017 01:16:17 pm
      Don't we have a loan policy now that we loan out players if they are going to get 70% game time during a season.
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      Re: Liverpool players to keep, sell or loan out.
      Reply #32: May 29, 2017 06:11:01 pm
      Danny Ward as his penno save just put Huddersfield in the Prem 😁
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      Re: Liverpool players to keep, sell or loan out.
      Reply #33: May 29, 2017 09:37:57 pm
      I wouldn't loan out a single prospect. Championship level football experience breeds Championship level of players. If they're good enough a year training with the first team is far better than a year playing in the Championship. Sell them or keep them, loaning is a waste of time.
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      Re: Liverpool players to keep, sell or loan out.
      Reply #34: May 29, 2017 11:24:27 pm
      With the season over, if you were the manager who would you keep, sell or loan out.

      To keep:

      Loris Karius
      Nathaniel Clyne
      Georginio Wijnaldum
      Dejan Lovren
      James Milner
      Philippe Coutinho
      Roberto Firmino
      Joe Gomez
      Jordan Henderson
      Daniel Sturridge
      Marko Grujić
      Sadio Mané
      Adam Lallana
      Lucas Leiva (offer him a new contract)
      Simon Mignolet
      Emre Can
      Lazar Marković
      Trent Alexander-Arnold
      Divock Origi
      Danny Ings
      Joël Matip
      Danny Ward

      To sell:

      Mamadou Sakho
      Alex Manninger (Release)
      Ragnar Klavan
      Alberto Moreno
      Cameron Brannagan
      Ádám Bogdán
      Kevin Stewart
      Jon Flanagan
      Connor Randall
      Rhian Brewster
      Pedro Chirivella
      Andre Wisdom

      To loan out:

      Harry Wilson (Top Championship club)
      Ryan Fulton (Championship club)
      Ryan Kent (Championship club)
      Jack Dunn (Championship club)
      Ovie Ejaria (Top Championship club)
      Sheyi Ojo (Top Championship club or Premiership club)
      Ben Woodburn (Top Championship club)
      Allan (because of international clearance)
      Taiwo Awoniyi (Top Championship club)



      I have had a good look through and in the main I would agree with your choices
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      Reply #35: May 30, 2017 11:13:20 am
      Danny Ward as his penno save just put Huddersfield in the Prem 😁
      Sell him now :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
      I am from Reading, move to Tottenham in 1994  :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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      Reply #36: May 30, 2017 01:44:09 pm
      Sell him now :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
      I am from Reading, move to Tottenham in 1994  :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

      This you then?


       
      8)
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      Reply #37: May 30, 2017 09:42:39 pm
      I, Keepin' it real, with me Julie
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      Reply #38: May 30, 2017 11:57:29 pm
      Am I the only one who doesn't want to sell Moreno?

      We need a left back for the early cup games against Plymouth. He was pretty good in those this past season.

      Depth is the key next campaign. At all levels.
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      Reply #39: May 31, 2017 12:03:17 am
      Am I the only one who doesn't want to sell Moreno?


      Yes
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      Reply #40: May 31, 2017 12:04:53 am
      Am I the only one who doesn't want to sell Moreno?

      We need a left back for the early cup games against Plymouth. He was pretty good in those this past season.

      Depth is the key next campaign. At all levels.

      I'd only sell him if we got two LB in.

      Saying that Jürgen clearly doesn't rate him so not much point hanging onto a player who won't feature.
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      Re: Liverpool players to keep, sell or loan out.
      Reply #41: May 31, 2017 12:02:41 pm
      Am I the only one who doesn't want to sell Moreno?

      We need a left back for the early cup games against Plymouth. He was pretty good in those this past season.

      Depth is the key next campaign. At all levels.

      I want him still, but as a LM.
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      Reply #42: Jun 01, 2017 08:48:55 am
      There is no point in keeping a player for squad depth if they are sh*te and Moreno falls into that category. He isn't good enough for LFC. The lad has had numerous chances to prove otherwise.

      We need to sell Sturridge. Huge fan of him and I believe we would have had more points on the board this season if klopp had played him more (evident in our final two games) but he is never fit and supposedly doesn't suit a Jürgen klopp team. We can therefore never build the attack (or the team) around him so we need to let him go.

      Sakho is another one who I'm a huge fan of but he has no future here so sell.

      Klavan isn't good enough so sell him to somebody like Everton or Boro which is the standard he's at.  Gomez can cover if needed who's a better player.

      Moreno can go. We might not have a natural left back at the moment but if Milner gets injured then I'd play anynody else in the squad in that position before I would Moreno who is supposedly a 'natural left back'. He's a natural disaster in my opinion.

      Bogdan can go. Terrible signing.

      Flanagan can go. He's not getting into the team ahead of either clyne or TAA. As sad as it is, that injury seems to have finished him.

      Are wisdom and Randall on the books still? They too can go. Neither good enough.

      Stewart and Markovic can go. Neither are going to push anybody out of the team this season.

      Danny Ings can go too. Absolutely gutted for him but he's another one who isn't going to get a shirt any time soon.

      That's 11 players who aren't good enough for LFC, or don't fit into the managers plans, or they have injury problems which prevents them from realistically challenging for a shirt. Sakho and Sturridge would be great squad options but I think we need to sell them in order to raise funds.

      I would loan a few players out...

      First one being karius. He was a shambles whenever he played last season. Send him back to Germany and let him build some confidence.

      Woodburn, ojo, ejaria, Kent, brannagan can all be loaned. All have played small parts for us but none of really taken their chance. Let them go into championship teams and get some experience.

      So everybody else stays. I hope we give Lucas a deal because his experience could be useful now that we're back in Europe.

      The squad for next season:

      New GK. I think it's essential we sort this position once and for all and bring somebody like Joe hart in who is much more reliable.  Mignolet drops to the bench.

      Clyne, TAA, Matip, Gomez, Lovren, NEW CB, NEW LB, NEW SPARE LB.

      Can, Lallana, Henderson, Lucas, Wijnaldum, Milner, coutinho, Grujic, NEW CM to cover midfield

      Mane, Firmino, origi, solanke, NEW AM, NEW ST
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      Reply #43: Jun 06, 2017 08:34:10 pm
      I'd be seriously concerned if we went in with Karius and Ward. The former's hardly covered himself in glory in his time here and even though Ward had a great game last week, he's looked shaky in a few games I've seen him in for Huddersfield.

      I'd take Mignolet and Karius, it's not absolutely brilliant but there's other areas that need to be improved on first. If Mignolet goes though we need to go and get another experienced keeper or we're just asking for trouble.

      Agree with this but I still expect Karius to be our eventual number 1 despite his poor start here. This is a lad Klopp identified to replace Mignolet and he must have knew plenty about him with him being not only German but a former Mainz player. He was undeniably quite sh*t during his spell in the team but I don't think that's enough to change the manager's mind; he backs his own judgement, surely.
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      Reply #44: Jun 06, 2017 08:50:25 pm
      I'd get rid of Mignolet and let Karius and Ward battle it out to be an understudy to a world class Keeper.  Mignolet saved 1.5 shots per goal this season.  That means from for every 15 saves, he let 10 goals in.
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      Reply #45: Jun 06, 2017 10:03:53 pm
      I'd get rid of Mignolet and let Karius and Ward battle it out to be an understudy to a world class Keeper.  Mignolet saved 1.5 shots per goal this season.  That means from for every 15 saves, he let 10 goals in.

      Which 'World Class' goalkeeper would you sign then Ripa?

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