Can we all agree that Scientology is the biggest bullshit religion ever created?
To an extent I definitely agree - but then, to play devils advocate - I feel like it's pretty much just a modern version of any of the predominant religions of this day and age. Give Scientology a few thousand years in closed minded non-internet age as others have, where is it then? For me, Scientology is so easy to pick apart because people (who have somewhat open eyes) can see through the bullshit of something that has only just begun - somewhat like Mormonism. To me, some of the biggest hypocrites are those who align themselves with another religion or whatever, and yet deride something like Scientology. There's no more or less proof for either.
Now, do I believe Scientology is a particularly ridiculous religion with many aspects that go far beyond those of the more traditional religions? Absolutely. My point simply being that, in my opinion, they're all just 50 shades of bullshit.
So as most of you will have gathered, I am an atheist. Not an asshole atheist, not militant about it (don't ask me about it after 10 beers though) I just believe what I believe. Or believe nothing and have no purpose, according to some in this thread
I'm gonna respond to a few ideas I've seen posited here - not directly, just my thoughts on it really. I mean no offence to anyone when I say what I say - you may take offence, but just understand one thing: Many atheists see things in religious speak and ideology DAILY that is, in a way, offensive to us. However, being that we understand it's not direct - it's just archaic belief - we go about our purposeless day.
I saw some posters say something along the lines that if there is no creator, then we serve no purpose. That you can't find a reason to function, in essence, if you don't believe there is some greater good to it. I find this belief flabbergasting, and is something I will absolutely go in to bat for and explain why life is so much more beautiful when you embrace the randomness of the cosmos. For me, I look around and see beauty in everything - and I think it is so f**king cool that it is purely random. It is by the will of the universe that all this random sh*t happens. And, also why so much horrific sh*t happens - hurricanes, earthquakes, tornados etc etc etc. It is much easier to explain than "Why did god tear up this town in Oklahoma and kill innocent children and parents?" - my belief there is, if proof of a god ever does come, then that guy is a f**king c**t of man/woman/flying spaghetti monster.
The world is beautiful. The stars are beautiful. The endless expanse of the universe, from my chair outside at least, is f**king beautiful. If god is simply an all powerful cloud version of man that is obsessed with what us humans do on earth and is constantly judging, he couldn't have f**king done all that! No cynic who is obsessed with what other people do with their lives ever has that greater expanse of mind, openness, or ability to create the beauty that is the natural world. He woulda planted some flag in his yard and been all, f**k yeah what a house. Cracked a Pabst and called it Sunday. I truly believe that when you open your mind up to the possibility that the world is just a wonderful clusterfuck of random events and chance, it makes your own self more maleable to the world, its movements, its changes. You start seeing more, start experiencing more - you take chances, because that is what the world is. A world full of chance, experience, and random beauty at its very finest.
To extend this point, I've also seen some suggest - and this is the classic argument - that "ALL OF THIS CAN'T COME FROM NOTHING?!" That by simply being 'here' that this is in itself proof of a creator. Beside the fact this logic would be thrown out of court in a nanosecond, lets delve into it - why is this proof? There wasn't "nothing" before the big bang anyway, it was simply not "this" - just because the universe was not in it's current status, does not mean that there was nothing. In fact, for the "Big Bang" to take place, there still had to be "something" - it's just greater things than many minds have been able to grasp until recent history, and even then the worlds smartest and brightest scientists (all atheists, by the way - thats just straight up fact, not meant to be offensive) are working constantly to better understand the construct of the universe. The fact is, we simply don't know so many things about the universe still. What we do know is, that there is no proof of god, but there is proof of random events leading us to now. BEFORE anyone, by the way, says "simply look around us the proof of the creator is there" - NO, that is not PROOF. That is your belief. Proof is evidence. That is like me walking into a bank and saying "Hi, I'm Steve Jobs can I have my billions thanks" and the dude being like, "Yeah you look like a Steve, that's proof enough for me. Here you go old mate, enjoy the shrooms and creating cool-ass sh*t."
Furthermore, my belief is, always has been, and always will be - you give me proof of a god, like scientific 100% proof. And I'll be f**king stoked. Because then I can actually call god a c**t to his face for all the sh*t he does. But I will also then believe. As will every scientist and atheist on earth. Atheism isn't hateful of religion, it's the absence of belief in it. We believe in many things - the beauty of life, the beauty of nature, the beauty of the universe. Added to that, is the belief in our own life. It is what we make it. We can experience life in any which way we can. I derive my morals from the fact that we are here on this earth as our own beings, completely controlled by ourselves, and to make every man and woman enjoy life as they deserve to is what each and every one of us should be trying to do. Kinda like that pay it forward sh*t. Treat everyone as you want to be treated. I'm an emotional dude inside. I get incredibly sad when I see a fellow human struggling with life, whether it be financial, family, whatever. We all deserve happiness if it isn't at the expense of someone else - because we can all be happy without affecting anyone else, despite what the nutcases protesting gay marriage will tell you.
Be good to each other. Whether you're atheist, christian, muslim, jew, gay, black, white, pastafarian - we're all in this together.
I'd love to see this thread continue, but I fear that some simply can't hide from personal biting so I guess we'll see. An old bartender mate of mine once said to me - "There are two topics that should never be allowed in a bar - religion and politics."