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      Naby Keita - RB Leipzig

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      HScRed1
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      Re: Neiby Keita - RB Leipzig
      Reply #810 : Jul 15, 2017 11:25:58 pm »
      It's less than 10% bud.

      If it was 6.50 we'd be talking about throwing in another .50.

      Or pocket change.


      If we were Chelsea or City yeah that's nothing but for us that means potentially £5M less to spend on our next target.
      At the end of the day any business will try and get the best deal, we as consumers sure would.
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      Reply #811 : Jul 16, 2017 10:18:53 am »
      but for us that means potentially £5M less to spend on our next target.
      Who's that mate?

      Who's the "next" target and what is it, exactly, that makes him more important than the player Jürgen wanted first? 🤔

      To be honest; I would have thought that, if "the next target" really is so good, that we'd sacrifice Keita, (over £5m) for him, then surely... we would have went for him first. 🙄

      « Last Edit: Jul 16, 2017 01:03:03 pm by bad boy bubby »
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      Reply #812 : Jul 16, 2017 10:29:27 am »
      If we were Chelsea or City yeah that's nothing but for us that means potentially £5M less to spend on our next target.
      At the end of the day any business will try and get the best deal, we as consumers sure would.
      how many times have we sat their lowballing for another club to just swoop in and offer the asking price? Don't be suprised to see him in a City shirt for 70m if we dont cough up soon. If we just bid 70m he would be our payer now. There is real mutual interest between Keita and city and that has happened due to our lowballing.
      « Last Edit: Jul 16, 2017 10:37:31 am by Ribapuru »
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      Reply #813 : Jul 16, 2017 01:58:14 pm »
      Yeah, we're gonna f**k this one up as well aren't we?
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      Reply #814 : Jul 16, 2017 02:39:58 pm »
      Yeah, we're gonna f**k this one up as well aren't we?
      If we bid 70m to begin with it would have been accepted. I feel unsure 70m will be enough now Inter and City shown interest.
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      Reply #815 : Jul 16, 2017 07:54:22 pm »
      I've enjoyed everyone flipping out about us not offering be asking price, but the figure quoted was £65m... Leipzig have been asking for €70m.
      On the current (admittedly googled) exchange rate, our improved offer is €74m, which is €4m over what they asked for... that's not lowballing.
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      Reply #816 : Jul 16, 2017 09:50:22 pm »
      We will need to offer 95 Mio € minimum. That is the borderline offer where Leipzig and Rangnick would at the very best consider making themselves look like fool by giving away their superstar despite a comfortable financial position and CL football. After digging deeper on forums and talking to RB fans I find only 150 Mio. € will make Rangnick "wet". I stated it before: A lot points towards RB not selling Keita and Liverpool - fully aware of it - just offering to show Keita their appreciation so that comes next year he might be emotionally sold for Liverpool. (Liverpool did this with Klopp the same way, just as a note)

      Liverpool will go for VVD and Aubameyang, though I don't think we really need a one-dimensional (speed) player that won't help us in 80% of the games where we have to play 11 opponents in the box.
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      Reply #817 : Jul 16, 2017 10:23:01 pm »
      I've enjoyed everyone flipping out about us not offering be asking price, but the figure quoted was £65m... Leipzig have been asking for €70m.
      On the current (admittedly googled) exchange rate, our improved offer is €74m, which is €4m over what they asked for... that's not lowballing.
      Leipzig wanted £70m. We offered £65m.
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      Reply #818 : Jul 16, 2017 10:34:14 pm »
      Guys it really does sound pretty daft when you say stuff like "Leipzig would accept £70m, if we'd offered that in the first place this deal would be done" or words similar.

      If we offered £70m to begin with the most likely scenario is that we'd end up paying considerably more, it's almost accepted practise that in negotiations the first offer is flatly refused, especially when you're not actively selling. If someone ever wants to buy something off you when you're not advertising, for god sake knock back their first offer, that's just as basic as it gets.

      So while FSG frustrate the hell out of me with their negotiating technique, the way it's playing out since the initial bid was lodged has to be accepted and as long as we go in with an improved offer then we will be most definitely testing Leipzig's resolve and all the noises/vibes/rumours/reliable tweets seem to suggest that this deal has a high chance of actually happening. This is the statement signing we've all been looking for and would most definitely push us on to the next level.
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      Reply #819 : Jul 16, 2017 11:15:46 pm »
      A possible bidding war? Run FSG! Run!
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      Reply #820 : Jul 16, 2017 11:33:35 pm »
      Guys it really does sound pretty daft when you say stuff like "Leipzig would accept £70m, if we'd offered that in the first place this deal would be done" or words similar.

      If we offered £70m to begin with the most likely scenario is that we'd end up paying considerably more, it's almost accepted practise that in negotiations the first offer is flatly refused, especially when you're not actively selling. If someone ever wants to buy something off you when you're not advertising, for god sake knock back their first offer, that's just as basic as it gets.

      So while FSG frustrate the hell out of me with their negotiating technique, the way it's playing out since the initial bid was lodged has to be accepted and as long as we go in with an improved offer then we will be most definitely testing Leipzig's resolve and all the noises/vibes/rumours/reliable tweets seem to suggest that this deal has a high chance of actually happening. This is the statement signing we've all been looking for and would most definitely push us on to the next level.


      Is there a buyout clause that triggers next Summer? Soz if I've missed it or if I've even dreamt it.

      Thought I read it somewhere a day or two ago but not sure.
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      Reply #821 : Jul 16, 2017 11:35:06 pm »
      Is there a buyout clause that triggers next Summer? Soz if I've missed it or if I've even dreamt it.

      Thought I read it somewhere a day or two ago but not sure.

      Yes mate, think it's £42m, from memory. (Definitely in the 40's)
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      Reply #822 : Jul 16, 2017 11:44:43 pm »
      A possible bidding war? Run FSG! Run!

      A probably non existent bidding war intent on upping the fee
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      Reply #823 : Jul 16, 2017 11:51:44 pm »
      A probably non existent bidding war intent on upping the fee

      There was an article in the Guinean press quoting Neiby's agent saying City came to him last week and was sniffing around and the agent/player told him he only want's LFC...take it with a grain of salt as the validity of the Guinean press might be questionable.

      A new development in the transfer saga is that Manchester City have contacted Naby Keïta’s agent. This is according to foot224.com journalist Amadou Makadji, who claims that the 22-year-old only wants Liverpool.


      https://www.rousingthekop.com/2017/07/15/manchester-city-want-keita-wants-liverpool/

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      Reply #824 : Jul 17, 2017 12:03:28 am »
      Yes mate, think it's £42m, from memory. (Definitely in the 40's)

      mcarz mentioned it was for German clubs (Bayern :p) only.
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      Reply #825 : Jul 17, 2017 12:56:28 am »
      mcarz mentioned it was for German clubs (Bayern :p) only.

      And the sporting director says there is none at all.

      Ie...nobody knows and nobody probably ever will.
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      Reply #826 : Jul 17, 2017 02:08:38 am »
      Guys it really does sound pretty daft when you say stuff like "Leipzig would accept £70m, if we'd offered that in the first place this deal would be done" or words similar.

      If we offered £70m to begin with the most likely scenario is that we'd end up paying considerably more, it's almost accepted practise that in negotiations the first offer is flatly refused, especially when you're not actively selling. If someone ever wants to buy something off you when you're not advertising, for god sake knock back their first offer, that's just as basic as it gets.

      So while FSG frustrate the hell out of me with their negotiating technique, the way it's playing out since the initial bid was lodged has to be accepted and as long as we go in with an improved offer then we will be most definitely testing Leipzig's resolve and all the noises/vibes/rumours/reliable tweets seem to suggest that this deal has a high chance of actually happening. This is the statement signing we've all been looking for and would most definitely push us on to the next level.
      no, it is just standard here that first bids refused. It allows for other teams to push it up.
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      Reply #827 : Jul 17, 2017 02:24:18 am »
      There was an article in the Guinean press quoting Neiby's agent saying City came to him last week and was sniffing around and the agent/player told him he only want's LFC...take it with a grain of salt as the validity of the Guinean press might be questionable.

      A new development in the transfer saga is that Manchester City have contacted Naby Keïta’s agent. This is according to foot224.com journalist Amadou Makadji, who claims that the 22-year-old only wants Liverpool.


      https://www.rousingthekop.com/2017/07/15/manchester-city-want-keita-wants-liverpool/


      That source is basically where most of this speculation is coming from to start with. It's where Joyce has been getting his info so if it's not reliable this whole thing is a sham. ;D
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      Reply #828 : Jul 17, 2017 07:49:13 am »
      no, it is just standard here that first bids refused. It allows for other teams to push it up.

      If your first bid is accepted you're doing something wrong.
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      Reply #829 : Jul 17, 2017 08:51:05 am »
      If your first bid is accepted you're doing something wrong.
      Whilst this is not strictly true, it is a very good way of looking at things.
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      Reply #830 : Jul 17, 2017 09:12:18 am »
      Whilst this is not strictly true, it is a very good way of looking at things.
      I dont generally see our rivals signings in the paper until it is close to completion. With us it gets plastered over the papers as soon as there is a small setback. If we are to go in with lower offers to start with it's a shame it has to be such big news infront of our rivals.
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      Reply #831 : Jul 17, 2017 12:40:21 pm »
      I dont generally see our rivals signings in the paper until it is close to completion. With us it gets plastered over the papers as soon as there is a small setback. If we are to go in with lower offers to start with it's a shame it has to be such big news infront of our rivals.
      Been thinking about this, is it just us, or is it the case that it seems it isn't other clubs because we don't follow them? I mean, if anything, I tend to see a lot more talk on Sky about Citeh, Chelsea, Utd etc.
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      Reply #832 : Jul 17, 2017 01:38:14 pm »
      Guys it really does sound pretty daft when you say stuff like "Leipzig would accept £70m, if we'd offered that in the first place this deal would be done" or words similar.

      If we offered £70m to begin with the most likely scenario is that we'd end up paying considerably more, it's almost accepted practise that in negotiations the first offer is flatly refused, especially when you're not actively selling. If someone ever wants to buy something off you when you're not advertising, for god sake knock back their first offer, that's just as basic as it gets.

      So while FSG frustrate the hell out of me with their negotiating technique, the way it's playing out since the initial bid was lodged has to be accepted and as long as we go in with an improved offer then we will be most definitely testing Leipzig's resolve and all the noises/vibes/rumours/reliable tweets seem to suggest that this deal has a high chance of actually happening. This is the statement signing we've all been looking for and would most definitely push us on to the next level.


      There is no doubt whatever mate the player is a next level job but unfortunately it is FSG's negotiating techniques traits that are our Achilles heel.

      We all know the boot sale routine with the unrealistic asking price as no more than a joke, if it was taken as set boot sales would disappear.
      Sometime or other FSG have got to get shut of the f**k ups - the f**king transfer committee as it is which is more of a f**king hindrance than a help and most importantly of all pay the money to improve our prospects.

      A common factor with those two anomalies is they both negate the outlay of any sizeable amounts of dosh, a very agreeable proposition for JWH&Co but in the long term disastrous for LFC. 
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      Reply #833 : Jul 17, 2017 02:56:25 pm »
      With Lucas now leaving signing Keita is imperative.

      we thought ...or should I say the club assumed ... we were getting Sanchez after Suarez went ...and we all know what happened there.
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      Reply #834 : Jul 17, 2017 03:06:57 pm »
      Totally contradictory reports on The Echo blog today about this move. One says the club have doubled down on not selling and that Keita accepts this, another says that club execs plan to sell him and are just waiting for the next bid. Who knows what is going on.
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      Reply #836 : Jul 17, 2017 03:16:01 pm »
      If your first bid is accepted you're doing something wrong.


      Or right... 🙉🙈🙊

      ... but only if, you genuinely want and can afford the thing you're bidding on.

      Oh... and... obviously, only if others are interested too.

      Take say Salah (for e.g.) say you believe that you're the only f**ker interested and you offer, what's seen as, a derisory, unacceptable, sum then some other c**t comes in and grabs him with their "opening bid".

      You were 'wrong' they were 'right'... (if you really wanted him, that is.) 😉
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      Reply #837 : Jul 17, 2017 04:16:36 pm »
      Not here yet then?

      Laters.

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      Reply #838 : Jul 17, 2017 04:45:00 pm »

      Or right... 🙉🙈🙊

      ... but only if, you genuinely want and can afford the thing you're bidding on.

      Oh... and... obviously, only if others are interested too.

      Take say Salah (for e.g.) say you believe that you're the only f**ker interested and you offer, what's seen as, a derisory, unacceptable, sum then some other c**t comes in and grabs him with their "opening bid".

      You were 'wrong' they were 'right'... (if you really wanted him, that is.) 😉


      If you have your first offer accepted, then you're overpaying may have been a more accurate statement.
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      Reply #839 : Jul 17, 2017 05:12:58 pm »

      Or right... 🙉🙈🙊

      ... but only if, you genuinely want and can afford the thing you're bidding on.

      Oh... and... obviously, only if others are interested too.

      Take say Salah (for e.g.) say you believe that you're the only f**ker interested and you offer, what's seen as, a derisory, unacceptable, sum then some other c**t comes in and grabs him with their "opening bid".

      You were 'wrong' they were 'right'... (if you really wanted him, that is.) 😉

      If you have your first offer accepted, then you're overpaying may have been a more accurate statement.

      Or alternatively, there were many offers during a drawn out negotiation but all those negotiations didn't include some knobhead itk'ing himself to any journalist who'd f**king listen to him.

      The end result of negotiating without a journalists whore is it looks like the clubs just totally got each other and one bid over tea and scones resulted in a group hug and contracts signed, not likely.

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