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      Re: News Stories (June 2017)
      Reply #325: Jun 24, 2017 03:34:06 pm
      Yeah a bit of "blame" doing the rounds at the moment, it will all come out in the end. Sounds to me like the firm who fitted must have known the cladding was flammable but also did the relevant dept in the council check what was going on the tower block. Either way there are lessons to be learned from this tragedy. 

      It shouldn't take dozens of people perishing in a towering inferno before the authorities and those responsible 'learn lessons'. There have been plenty of warnings. Even before the public inquiry it is already clear that this was a preventable man-made disaster. Those responsible should be held to account.
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      Reply #326: Jun 24, 2017 03:46:54 pm
      It shouldn't take dozens of people perishing in a towering inferno before the authorities and those responsible 'learn lessons'. There have been plenty of warnings. Even before the public inquiry it is already clear that this was a preventable man-made disaster. Those responsible should be held to account.

      True.
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      Reply #327: Jun 24, 2017 04:04:33 pm

      Hmm, I'd love to know how that is being calculated, is it purely public sector pay or private and public sector. I get Germany and Poland growing, and you can throw every eastern European country into the mix as well, but very surprised about France, their economy is more of a basket case than ours so how on earth are wages growing or is that why their economy is a basket case?
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      Reply #328: Jun 24, 2017 05:43:23 pm
      Hmm, I'd love to know how that is being calculated, is it purely public sector pay or private and public sector. I get Germany and Poland growing, and you can throw every eastern European country into the mix as well, but very surprised about France, their economy is more of a basket case than ours so how on earth are wages growing or is that why their economy is a basket case?

      It's not just about wages it's about inflation, goods being more expensive etc and while pay rises have been near non existent under austerity, the standard of living drops (for the majority). You could try and blame that on Labour also  :f_whistle:
      « Last Edit: Jun 24, 2017 05:48:23 pm by althebest1 »
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      Reply #329: Jun 24, 2017 05:44:52 pm
      Meanwhile, Corbyn tops the bill at Glastonbury..

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSEmuPMwvMQ
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      Reply #330: Jun 24, 2017 06:01:07 pm
      Indeed and (in my opinion) one lesson that should be learned is that it's vulgar, almost repulsive, for anyone to try to get political gain from a tragedy. Anyone. 😯


      The lesson was accepted and acted upon with the Hillsborough tragedy, the depths that f**king witch Thatcher would stoop to for political advantage was unimaginably immoral; a more sophisticated blame game is being played out with this disaster.
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      Reply #331: Jun 24, 2017 06:04:07 pm

      Could have least given us the chorus of sweet Caroline,  miserable old c**t, probably doesn't know all the words of the internationale
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      Reply #332: Jun 24, 2017 06:07:43 pm
      Could have least given us the chorus of sweet Caroline,  miserable old c**t, probably doesn't know all the words of the internationale

      Or when the reds go marching in  :D
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      Reply #333: Jun 24, 2017 09:48:05 pm
      Wasn't that figure a population rise and not net migration?

      Births, deaths, migration.

      I blame the coffin dodgers. Get rid of the winter fuel allowance, lets have the mother of all winters, throw in a bad strain of flu, an NHS strike and that figure will come down next year. (Conservative manifesto, Oct 2017)

      Decrease the surplus population, Bah humbug. ;D
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      Reply #334: Jun 25, 2017 06:30:02 am
      Exclusive: More than 40 convicted terrorists have used human rights laws to remain in UK

      ore than 40 foreign terrorists have used human rights laws to remain in the UK, according to an unpublished report delayed by the Home Office.

      The study highlights the near insurmountable problem for the Government in deporting dangerous jihadists and follows a series of Islamic State-inspired attacks in the UK.

      In the court cases, lawyers - typically funded through legal aid - have successfully prevented foreign-born terror suspects from being sent back to their home countries.

      At a time when Britain’s security services are fully stretched, the additional burden of monitoring so many foreign terrorist inevitably adds to the strain.

      Details are contained in a report ordered by Theresa May when Home Secretary into a scheme called Deportation with Assurances (DWA).

      The scheme - in theory - allows the UK to expel terror suspects with guarantees they will not be mistreated or even tortured in their home country.

      But it appears to have broken down allowing terrorists to remain in the UK.

      The report is potentially embarrassing for the prime minister because it is expected to highlight the collapse of an initiative she pushed hard for while in the Home Office.

      The DWA scheme led to the removal of Abu Qatada, a notorious al-Qaeda-linked cleric who was sent back to Jordan in 2013 to stand trial on terrorist offences. Qatada was cleared but since his case, it is understood, that no other foreign terror suspects have been returned under the scheme.

      The analysis of the Government’s practice of deportations with assurances was carried out by David Anderson QC, the then independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, and co-written with Professor Clive Walker, an international law expert.

      It was delivered to the Home Office in February.

      Prof Walker said: “My research suggests there are more than 40 foreign terrorists convicted in the UK who have avoided deportation using the human rights act. The figure is much larger than was previously thought.”

      Among those understood to have used the Human Rights Act to resist deportation including jihadists with links to the failed 21/7 bomb plot in 2005 who were jailed in the UK and subsequently released after serving their sentences.

      Another is an Algerian terrorist imprisoned for funding al-Qaeda training camps but since free after serving his sentence.

      He added: “The report is finished. It is a substantial piece of work. David [Anderson] has produced other reports critical or not of the Government which have always been published.

      “My role in it was to compile a detailed description of the rules and regulations about deportation with assurances. I still think the Home Office wish to pursue DWA.”

      Thirty-five people have been killed in three separate Islamic-State inspired terrorist attacks since March - at Westminster Bridge, London Bridge and at Manchester Arena. Another innocent victim died in a far-right attack on a mosque in Finsbury Park in the early hours of Monday.

      Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary, announced a review of Britain’s counter-terror strategy last week and put Mr Anderson in charge of it.

      The intelligence agencies and counter terror police are under huge pressure after it emerged that in the three recent Islamist terror attacks, the perpetrators were known to security services.

      Two of the attackers in the London Bridge atrocity were Moroccan born; one of them Youssef Zaghba had been on an international watch list having tried and failed to reach Syria from Italy in 2016. Zaghba was questioned on entering the UK but still allowed in.

      The threat to the UK from foreign-born jihadists remains high in the wake of those attacks and the inability to deport known terrorists compounds those concerns.

      Lord Carlile, Mr Anderson’s predecessor as the independent reviewer of terror legislation, said a shift was needed in the interpretation of the Human Rights Act to enable the deportation of more suspects.

      “The attacks in recent months demonstrates the need to protect the public and that this should outweigh the human rights of terrorists,” said Lord Carlile.

      Convicted terrorists who have avoided deportation include Siraj Yassin Abdullah Ali, who was released in 2011 after serving just half of his nine-year sentence for helping the July 21 bombers. The Government tried to deport him to his native Eritrea but was prevented from doing so because he faced “inhumane treatment or punishment” if returned.

      Ali was convicted of helping a terror cell of five al-Qaeda suicide bombers in their bid to repeat the carnage of the attacks of July 7, 2005, two weeks later. The bombs failed to explode.

      Another member of the network Ismail Abdurahman, who hid one of the 21/7 bombers Hussain Osman for three days, also escaped being deported to his native Somalia after judges feared for his safety.

      Baghdad Meziane, who was convicted of being an al-Qaeda fundraiser in 2003, also successfully used the Human Rights Act to resist being sent back to his native Algeria. Meziane was jailed in 2003 for 11 years for running a terror support network and is now out of prisoner and thought to be living in Leicester.

      It emerged earlier this year that Fowzi Nejad, the sole surviving terrorist of the Iranian embassy siege in 1980, had also evaded deportation to Iran to protect his human rights. He served 28 years in jail before his release on parole.

      It is understood just 12 foreign-born terrorists have been deported under the DWA. By contrast, France has deported more than 120.

      Britain set up the DWA scheme to send back terrorists under ‘non-torture’ deals. But in 2014, the official in charge of DWA - Anthony Layden, the former ambassador to Libya and Morocco - resigned because it wasn’t working. He has declined to say precisely what the problem was but told The Telegraph he had no wish to ‘help the terrorists’. He said his problem lay with the Home Office.

      The DWA scheme was introduced in 2005 and agreements signed with Algeria, Jordan, Ethiopia, Libya, Lebanon and Morocco.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/24/exclusive-40-convicted-terrorists-have-used-human-rights-laws/

      Keep the acronym DWA, just change the wording Deportation WITHOUT Assurances!

      Seriously, if France can deport 120 convicted terrorist to our 12 then we're (the general public) being failed by those whose job it is to keep this country safe. We all know these jihadist's want to rid the world of the kafar by murder. But then to exploit our system, money and liberties on top of that is simply beyond the pale, and yet nobody has closed the loopholes they and their lawyers exploit. Outrageous.

      I wonder what France do to navigate their way round the Human Rights Act that we don't.

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      Re: News Stories (June 2017)
      Reply #335: Jun 25, 2017 11:28:40 am
      Six hurt as car strikes crowd in Newcastle Eid celebration




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      Reply #336: Jun 25, 2017 01:30:33 pm

      Appears to have been an accident by someone participating in prayers etc, my guess she panicked went to hit the brake but hit the accelerator.
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      Reply #337: Jun 25, 2017 02:40:05 pm
      Appears to have been an accident by someone participating in prayers etc, my guess she panicked went to hit the brake but hit the accelerator.

      Police say the incident was not terror related.

      http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/westgate-road-newcastle-crash-video-13236153
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      Reply #339: Jun 25, 2017 04:08:09 pm
      Appears to have been an accident by someone participating in prayers etc, my guess she panicked went to hit the brake but hit the accelerator.

      Was indeed mate, she hit someone & people screamed which panicked her causing her to put her foot in the accelerator..

      Speedy recovery to all..
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      Reply #340: Jun 25, 2017 06:22:00 pm
      Was indeed mate, she hit someone & people screamed which panicked her causing her to put her foot in the accelerator..

      Speedy recovery to all..
      I am wondering if the first person she hit was walking across the road without using a crossing? I see it all to often that people jay walk, it puts lives at risk. If that happened, they should charge the jay walker with this.
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      Reply #341: Jun 26, 2017 01:59:10 pm
      The former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey has resigned from his last remaining formal role in the church after a review into child abuse.

      Lord Carey was criticised in an independent review of the church's handling of abuse carried out by Bishop Peter Ball, who was jailed in 2015 for historic offences against young men.

      Not going to heaven.
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      Reply #342: Jun 26, 2017 06:51:02 pm
      Exclusive: More than 40 convicted terrorists have used human rights laws to remain in UK

      ore than 40 foreign terrorists have used human rights laws to remain in the UK, according to an unpublished report delayed by the Home Office.

      The study highlights the near insurmountable problem for the Government in deporting dangerous jihadists and follows a series of Islamic State-inspired attacks in the UK.

      In the court cases, lawyers - typically funded through legal aid - have successfully prevented foreign-born terror suspects from being sent back to their home countries.

      At a time when Britain’s security services are fully stretched, the additional burden of monitoring so many foreign terrorist inevitably adds to the strain.

      Details are contained in a report ordered by Theresa May when Home Secretary into a scheme called Deportation with Assurances (DWA).

      The scheme - in theory - allows the UK to expel terror suspects with guarantees they will not be mistreated or even tortured in their home country.

      But it appears to have broken down allowing terrorists to remain in the UK.

      The report is potentially embarrassing for the prime minister because it is expected to highlight the collapse of an initiative she pushed hard for while in the Home Office.

      The DWA scheme led to the removal of Abu Qatada, a notorious al-Qaeda-linked cleric who was sent back to Jordan in 2013 to stand trial on terrorist offences. Qatada was cleared but since his case, it is understood, that no other foreign terror suspects have been returned under the scheme.

      The analysis of the Government’s practice of deportations with assurances was carried out by David Anderson QC, the then independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, and co-written with Professor Clive Walker, an international law expert.

      It was delivered to the Home Office in February.

      Prof Walker said: “My research suggests there are more than 40 foreign terrorists convicted in the UK who have avoided deportation using the human rights act. The figure is much larger than was previously thought.”

      Among those understood to have used the Human Rights Act to resist deportation including jihadists with links to the failed 21/7 bomb plot in 2005 who were jailed in the UK and subsequently released after serving their sentences.

      Another is an Algerian terrorist imprisoned for funding al-Qaeda training camps but since free after serving his sentence.

      He added: “The report is finished. It is a substantial piece of work. David [Anderson] has produced other reports critical or not of the Government which have always been published.

      “My role in it was to compile a detailed description of the rules and regulations about deportation with assurances. I still think the Home Office wish to pursue DWA.”

      Thirty-five people have been killed in three separate Islamic-State inspired terrorist attacks since March - at Westminster Bridge, London Bridge and at Manchester Arena. Another innocent victim died in a far-right attack on a mosque in Finsbury Park in the early hours of Monday.

      Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary, announced a review of Britain’s counter-terror strategy last week and put Mr Anderson in charge of it.

      The intelligence agencies and counter terror police are under huge pressure after it emerged that in the three recent Islamist terror attacks, the perpetrators were known to security services.

      Two of the attackers in the London Bridge atrocity were Moroccan born; one of them Youssef Zaghba had been on an international watch list having tried and failed to reach Syria from Italy in 2016. Zaghba was questioned on entering the UK but still allowed in.

      The threat to the UK from foreign-born jihadists remains high in the wake of those attacks and the inability to deport known terrorists compounds those concerns.

      Lord Carlile, Mr Anderson’s predecessor as the independent reviewer of terror legislation, said a shift was needed in the interpretation of the Human Rights Act to enable the deportation of more suspects.

      “The attacks in recent months demonstrates the need to protect the public and that this should outweigh the human rights of terrorists,” said Lord Carlile.

      Convicted terrorists who have avoided deportation include Siraj Yassin Abdullah Ali, who was released in 2011 after serving just half of his nine-year sentence for helping the July 21 bombers. The Government tried to deport him to his native Eritrea but was prevented from doing so because he faced “inhumane treatment or punishment” if returned.

      Ali was convicted of helping a terror cell of five al-Qaeda suicide bombers in their bid to repeat the carnage of the attacks of July 7, 2005, two weeks later. The bombs failed to explode.

      Another member of the network Ismail Abdurahman, who hid one of the 21/7 bombers Hussain Osman for three days, also escaped being deported to his native Somalia after judges feared for his safety.

      Baghdad Meziane, who was convicted of being an al-Qaeda fundraiser in 2003, also successfully used the Human Rights Act to resist being sent back to his native Algeria. Meziane was jailed in 2003 for 11 years for running a terror support network and is now out of prisoner and thought to be living in Leicester.

      It emerged earlier this year that Fowzi Nejad, the sole surviving terrorist of the Iranian embassy siege in 1980, had also evaded deportation to Iran to protect his human rights. He served 28 years in jail before his release on parole.

      It is understood just 12 foreign-born terrorists have been deported under the DWA. By contrast, France has deported more than 120.

      Britain set up the DWA scheme to send back terrorists under ‘non-torture’ deals. But in 2014, the official in charge of DWA - Anthony Layden, the former ambassador to Libya and Morocco - resigned because it wasn’t working. He has declined to say precisely what the problem was but told The Telegraph he had no wish to ‘help the terrorists’. He said his problem lay with the Home Office.

      The DWA scheme was introduced in 2005 and agreements signed with Algeria, Jordan, Ethiopia, Libya, Lebanon and Morocco.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/24/exclusive-40-convicted-terrorists-have-used-human-rights-laws/

      Keep the acronym DWA, just change the wording Deportation WITHOUT Assurances!

      Seriously, if France can deport 120 convicted terrorist to our 12 then we're (the general public) being failed by those whose job it is to keep this country safe. We all know these jihadist's want to rid the world of the kafar by murder. But then to exploit our system, money and liberties on top of that is simply beyond the pale, and yet nobody has closed the loopholes they and their lawyers exploit. Outrageous.

      I wonder what France do to navigate their way round the Human Rights Act that we don't.



      Exclusive: More than 40 convicted terrorists have used human rights laws to remain in UK

      ore than 40 foreign terrorists have used human rights laws to remain in the UK, according to an unpublished report delayed by the Home Office.

      The study highlights the near insurmountable problem for the Government in deporting dangerous jihadists and follows a series of Islamic State-inspired attacks in the UK.

      In the court cases, lawyers - typically funded through legal aid - have successfully prevented foreign-born terror suspects from being sent back to their home countries.

      At a time when Britain’s security services are fully stretched, the additional burden of monitoring so many foreign terrorist inevitably adds to the strain.

      Details are contained in a report ordered by Theresa May when Home Secretary into a scheme called Deportation with Assurances (DWA).

      The scheme - in theory - allows the UK to expel terror suspects with guarantees they will not be mistreated or even tortured in their home country.

      But it appears to have broken down allowing terrorists to remain in the UK.

      The report is potentially embarrassing for the prime minister because it is expected to highlight the collapse of an initiative she pushed hard for while in the Home Office.

      The DWA scheme led to the removal of Abu Qatada, a notorious al-Qaeda-linked cleric who was sent back to Jordan in 2013 to stand trial on terrorist offences. Qatada was cleared but since his case, it is understood, that no other foreign terror suspects have been returned under the scheme.

      The analysis of the Government’s practice of deportations with assurances was carried out by David Anderson QC, the then independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, and co-written with Professor Clive Walker, an international law expert.

      It was delivered to the Home Office in February.

      Prof Walker said: “My research suggests there are more than 40 foreign terrorists convicted in the UK who have avoided deportation using the human rights act. The figure is much larger than was previously thought.”

      Among those understood to have used the Human Rights Act to resist deportation including jihadists with links to the failed 21/7 bomb plot in 2005 who were jailed in the UK and subsequently released after serving their sentences.

      Another is an Algerian terrorist imprisoned for funding al-Qaeda training camps but since free after serving his sentence.

      He added: “The report is finished. It is a substantial piece of work. David [Anderson] has produced other reports critical or not of the Government which have always been published.

      “My role in it was to compile a detailed description of the rules and regulations about deportation with assurances. I still think the Home Office wish to pursue DWA.”

      Thirty-five people have been killed in three separate Islamic-State inspired terrorist attacks since March - at Westminster Bridge, London Bridge and at Manchester Arena. Another innocent victim died in a far-right attack on a mosque in Finsbury Park in the early hours of Monday.

      Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary, announced a review of Britain’s counter-terror strategy last week and put Mr Anderson in charge of it.

      The intelligence agencies and counter terror police are under huge pressure after it emerged that in the three recent Islamist terror attacks, the perpetrators were known to security services.

      Two of the attackers in the London Bridge atrocity were Moroccan born; one of them Youssef Zaghba had been on an international watch list having tried and failed to reach Syria from Italy in 2016. Zaghba was questioned on entering the UK but still allowed in.

      The threat to the UK from foreign-born jihadists remains high in the wake of those attacks and the inability to deport known terrorists compounds those concerns.

      Lord Carlile, Mr Anderson’s predecessor as the independent reviewer of terror legislation, said a shift was needed in the interpretation of the Human Rights Act to enable the deportation of more suspects.

      “The attacks in recent months demonstrates the need to protect the public and that this should outweigh the human rights of terrorists,” said Lord Carlile.

      Convicted terrorists who have avoided deportation include Siraj Yassin Abdullah Ali, who was released in 2011 after serving just half of his nine-year sentence for helping the July 21 bombers. The Government tried to deport him to his native Eritrea but was prevented from doing so because he faced “inhumane treatment or punishment” if returned.

      Ali was convicted of helping a terror cell of five al-Qaeda suicide bombers in their bid to repeat the carnage of the attacks of July 7, 2005, two weeks later. The bombs failed to explode.

      Another member of the network Ismail Abdurahman, who hid one of the 21/7 bombers Hussain Osman for three days, also escaped being deported to his native Somalia after judges feared for his safety.

      Baghdad Meziane, who was convicted of being an al-Qaeda fundraiser in 2003, also successfully used the Human Rights Act to resist being sent back to his native Algeria. Meziane was jailed in 2003 for 11 years for running a terror support network and is now out of prisoner and thought to be living in Leicester.

      It emerged earlier this year that Fowzi Nejad, the sole surviving terrorist of the Iranian embassy siege in 1980, had also evaded deportation to Iran to protect his human rights. He served 28 years in jail before his release on parole.

      It is understood just 12 foreign-born terrorists have been deported under the DWA. By contrast, France has deported more than 120.

      Britain set up the DWA scheme to send back terrorists under ‘non-torture’ deals. But in 2014, the official in charge of DWA - Anthony Layden, the former ambassador to Libya and Morocco - resigned because it wasn’t working. He has declined to say precisely what the problem was but told The Telegraph he had no wish to ‘help the terrorists’. He said his problem lay with the Home Office.

      The DWA scheme was introduced in 2005 and agreements signed with Algeria, Jordan, Ethiopia, Libya, Lebanon and Morocco.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/24/exclusive-40-convicted-terrorists-have-used-human-rights-laws/

      Keep the acronym DWA, just change the wording Deportation WITHOUT Assurances!

      Seriously, if France can deport 120 convicted terrorist to our 12 then we're (the general public) being failed by those whose job it is to keep this country safe. We all know these jihadist's want to rid the world of the kafar by murder. But then to exploit our system, money and liberties on top of that is simply beyond the pale, and yet nobody has closed the loopholes they and their lawyers exploit. Outrageous.

      I wonder what France do to navigate their way round the Human Rights Act that we don't.



      Simple BB they just ignore it and worry about the consequences after. Bit like they do when they ignore the EU and get fined and just ignore that sh*t as well. Good on them as well.
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      Re: News Stories (June 2017)
      Reply #343: Jun 26, 2017 06:52:54 pm

      He has no shame, using a festival to promote himself what a cock.
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      Re: News Stories (June 2017)
      Reply #344: Jun 26, 2017 07:21:46 pm
      He has no shame, using a festival to promote himself what a cock.

      Went down a storm with the festival goers...

      Ohh Jeremy Cooorrbbyyn.. Ohh Jeremy Cooorrbbyyn..
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      Reply #345: Jun 26, 2017 08:11:26 pm
      Went down a storm with the festival goers...

      Lets be honest the majority would have been that pissed, drugged up Mr Blobby would have had a similar effect..
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      Reply #346: Jun 26, 2017 08:32:26 pm
      Lets be honest the majority would have been that pissed, drugged up Mr Blobby would have had a similar effect..

      Nah.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I7mv2RYs0Ng
      « Last Edit: Jun 26, 2017 08:40:26 pm by Shabs »
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      Reply #347: Jun 26, 2017 08:40:26 pm
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      Reply #348: Jun 26, 2017 09:05:01 pm
      Lets be honest the majority would have been that pissed, drugged up Mr Blobby would have had a similar effect..

      Nothing wrong with that, better than getting into a scrap at Ascot like that right-wing bellend!!
      « Last Edit: Jun 26, 2017 09:36:47 pm by HUYTON RED »
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      Reply #349: Jun 26, 2017 09:39:46 pm
      Nothing wrong with that, better than getting bladdered and getting into a scrap at Ascot like that right-wing bellend!!

      Seen that, he punches like a little girl, I was howling, no wonder he's always getting his arse kicked.

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