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      Lucas Leiva - Newcastle/Lazio

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      Re: Lucas Leiva - Newcastle
      Reply #30: Jul 14, 2017 04:11:40 pm
      He deserved that criticism. Nice guy but not good enough for us really.

      You know what Rib, instead of infecting this forum with your dire attempts at provocation and immature bullshit, for once in your f**king life try being magnanimous and complimentary on occasions like this. Your post history is nothing but a shitstream of sub standard bullshit.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva - Newcastle/Lazio
      Reply #31: Jul 14, 2017 04:12:49 pm
      Would like to see him stay but wish him all the best, fantastic player for the club, not one of the greatest players ability wise by any means but what he done, he done well, was reliable and it's a shame there haven't been a lot more players over the last 10years to have had his attitude. Never let the criticism get to him, always worked hard to improve and survived Woy and BR both trying to bin him off.

      But as Luke says, would much rather see Stewart go instead.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva - Newcastle/Lazio
      Reply #32: Jul 14, 2017 04:37:37 pm
      You know what Rib, instead of infecting this forum with your dire attempts at provocation and immature bullshit, for once in your f**king life try being magnanimous and complimentary on occasions like this. Your post history is nothing but a shitstream of sub standard bullshit.

      Frankly you are right on, some on here albeit only a few, show no humility or respect to a player who has given so much on and off the pitch.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva - Newcastle/Lazio
      Reply #33: Jul 14, 2017 04:45:17 pm
      I suspect Klopp would have gone to Lucas and said: Here's how much(little) I expect you will play this season. Lazio are in for you. If you want it, we'll accept, if you want to stay, you can stay.

      Best wishes to a class individual.


      I read that Lucas asked for a transfer last season, but after the injury to Gomez and issues with Sakho, Klopp asked him to stay.  He didn't mope or complain -- he went about his business and conducted himself with class at all times. 
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      Re: Lucas Leiva - Newcastle/Lazio
      Reply #34: Jul 14, 2017 04:46:36 pm
      I'm sure Lucas would have expected to collect more than one League Cup after a decades service at Liverpool but he did a good job overall for us and did have a golden spell.

      Contracts up next year, he's going to have to move somewhere else anyway in the next 12 months so if he can get a move and something a bit more secure then good luck to him.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva - Newcastle/Lazio
      Reply #35: Jul 14, 2017 05:01:19 pm
      Best of luck to a fine servant of LFC, just a pity for the lad he didn't leave with the trophy list of some of his predecessors.
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      Reply #36: Jul 14, 2017 07:40:19 pm
      You know what Rib, instead of infecting this forum with your dire attempts at provocation and immature bullshit, for once in your f**king life try being magnanimous and complimentary on occasions like this. Your post history is nothing but a shitstream of sub standard bullshit.
      I like Lucas as a person, he was loyal and good to us. I am grateful of his excellent attitude, but I never once believed in those 10 years he was good enough for us. I always said he would do better in Italy because it suits his midfield style much better. I believe this is mutually beneficial for both clubs and Lucas himself. I would be very happy if he returned to us some day in a coaching role. Perhaps once Gerrard becomes Klopps assistant he would be perfect to be the u21 coach.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva - Newcastle/Lazio
      Reply #37: Jul 14, 2017 08:29:34 pm
      Bought for 5m sold for 5m 10 years service had a patchy start but stuck at it and although not everyones cup of tea gets a thumbs up from me honest and gutsy pro . Good luck Lucas👍
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      Reply #38: Jul 14, 2017 11:14:12 pm
      Bought for 5m sold for 5m 10 years service had a patchy start but stuck at it and although not everyones cup of tea gets a thumbs up from me honest and gutsy pro . Good luck Lucas👍

      I thought he had an excellent start when he came on as sub against Everton at Goodison in his first match for us.I seem to recall a penalty.
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      Reply #39: Jul 15, 2017 12:19:21 am
      I thought he had an excellent start when he came on as sub against Everton at Goodison in his first match for us.I seem to recall a penalty.

      Yeah wasn't it Gerrard he came on for? I seem to recall thinking 'wtf - taking Gerrard off?' for one of those matches. And then he had a pop at goal and Gormless Twin Neville (I think) who handled on the line  and got a straight red (defuckinglightful).
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      Re: Lucas Leiva - Newcastle/Lazio
      Reply #40: Jul 15, 2017 12:41:29 am
      10 years at the club is excellent service. He played with great players, he played with sh*te players - and he particularly dragged some of the worst teams we've ever had at Liverpool almost by himself at times. In fact, he was arguably our most important player in picking up the debris from Roy Hodgson's short but immensely destructive tenure.

      You have to be a player of sound mentality to do that, and he has been undoubtedly one of our most professional players, made no more starker than the sheer unprofessionalism of many of his peers (and certain shitty ex-Halmstad manager).
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      Re: Lucas Leiva - Newcastle/Lazio
      Reply #41: Jul 15, 2017 12:42:17 am
      Meh don't want to be harsh but his leaving will make absolutely no difference to our season or how we move forward.

      Absolutely no doubt in my mind that those ACL injuries robbed us of a player who would have been rated like Makelele as the ultimate DM.

      He deserves to play full time, unfortunately the EPL is pretty unforgiving and the Italian league is as slow paced as you will get.

      All the best Leiva YNWA.
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      Reply #42: Jul 15, 2017 02:41:50 am
      Wish  him all the best , but  looking  at the market  at the moment  I think   
      we could  have double  the  price.
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      Reply #43: Jul 15, 2017 04:15:28 am
      I like Lucas as a person, he was loyal and good to us. I am grateful of his excellent attitude, but I never once believed in those 10 years he was good enough for us. I always said he would do better in Italy because it suits his midfield style much better. I believe this is mutually beneficial for both clubs and Lucas himself. I would be very happy if he returned to us some day in a coaching role. Perhaps once Gerrard becomes Klopps assistant he would be perfect to be the u21 coach.

      I think this is the problem with the 'do not say a bad word about Lucas' mob. You can in their eyes call him decent and nothing more but you must have to attribute the loyalty and professionalism tag to the end of that acknowledgement if you want to escape the diatribe that will undoubtedly follow.

      I get that people have a soft spot for Lucas 'the man' and do not for one minute begrudge him or them of acknowledging his admirable qualities, which in fairness don't seem to be in abundance throughout the world of football anymore.

      Yet, instead of these qualities being juxtaposed with Lucas 'the player' they're all rolled into one and calling Lucas an average player who was capable of the odd stonker just isn't enough for such folk, it's hearsay.

      I'll admit I was one of the figurative "boo boys" when Lucas first came here from Gremio - I'm not going to lie. I thought he was f**king hopeless. And to be fair, he wasn't far off that when he first joined when he was touted as a box-to-box midfielder - which he never became under Rafa. To give him his dues he stuck to it, in the face of those who DID actually boo him match day (which is shockingly wrong), but he was like another Firmino IMHO, a player with no real position. He took a while to find himself IMO. He was learning the DM role under Rafa IIRC - and he didn't measure up to his predecessor Hamman. The reckless fouls especially have stuck with him throughout his career like a signature, and he's put the team in so many precarious positions down the years that he just irritated me.

      However, he slightly warmed on me in his later (more recent) years, and he definitely matured with experience like a good bottle of red. He learned to read the game really well, ala Alonso. What he lacked in speed was made up by his footballing brain - all brought about through his experience. Those clumsy signature fouls weren't just clumsy anyone, there was a spattering of cynicism to them now, and he'd happily take one for the team. He was a good team player who learnt to specialise a role, but was limited as his apparent box-to-box-ness had all but disappeared - and his creativity to move the ball forward had evaporated if ever it was there in the first place.

      When I think of DM's, I think of Hamman, Alonso, and Mashcerano the destroyer, Lucas for me isn't/wasn't on their level by any stretch but he'd come along way from the hopeless days of his beginning. Still, a decent/good player but then Jürgen tried him at CB, and while I criticised Lucas for his performances there it was on the manager who would toy with this experiment because he left himself with no other options. Lucas tried to do the job the manager asked him, some days he'd do it okay, others it would be pretty much a nightmare - and poor Lucas was the cat that would often get kicked for it.

      He turned out to be decent/useful player. But the superlatives have often been exaggerated and I can't help but feel Lucas the player epitomised where we have found ourselves as a club over the last decade. I wish him all the best, and obviously would never begrudge him a testimonial or a return to the club in some shape or form in the future.
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      Reply #44: Jul 15, 2017 09:13:43 am
      You know what Rib, instead of infecting this forum with your dire attempts at provocation and immature bullshit, for once in your f**king life try being magnanimous and complimentary on occasions like this. Your post history is nothing but a shitstream of sub standard bullshit.
      i dont think you can say he didnt deserve criticism just because he's leaving. I like the guy but too many here flip flopping and paint false pictures. Sheeps in a herd. Honestly, truth is he was a wonderful guy that never really impressed on the pitch.
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      Reply #45: Jul 15, 2017 09:35:33 am
      I wonder if we will ever see another player on professional forms ever last 10 years at L.F.C. I have my doubts.
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      Reply #46: Jul 15, 2017 09:45:51 am
      i dont think you can say he didnt deserve criticism just because he's leaving. I like the guy but too many here flip flopping and paint false pictures. Sheeps in a herd. Honestly, truth is he was a wonderful guy that never really impressed on the pitch.

      So when you bid farewell to someone do you talk about the things that he was not so good at and could have improved? Can't you appreciate the good qualities he brought to us and wish him well.
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      Reply #47: Jul 15, 2017 11:19:39 am
      Top Top Lad - and a great player was Lucas!

      He got pelters for almost a decade from some of our shithouse fans - and indeed our best fans but never once did he make an issue of it - never once did he not put in a shift.

      Yeah, he wasent a 15 goal a season midfielder that we wanted when we heard he was from Brazil - but still did a f**king great job. Will be missed...

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      Reply #48: Jul 15, 2017 11:34:26 am
      So when you bid farewell to someone do you talk about the things that he was not so good at and could have improved? Can't you appreciate the good qualities he brought to us and wish him well.
      i am grateful his attitude and commitment. I just never rated him. Half the forum flip flopped their opinion because he is leaving. I would go through the player thread and quote peoples change in attitude from just two months ago but lazy. I wish him well though.
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      Reply #49: Jul 15, 2017 12:31:55 pm
      Gutted to see him go. He got off to a tough start here but eventually proved most of his doubters wrong and became a real fan favourite.

      Even now some fans don't appreciate him and realise how good he is. Lost his legs a little bit but his experience could have been crucial going into a champions league season.

      Best of luck Lucas mate, you'll be missed.
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      Reply #50: Jul 15, 2017 02:51:39 pm
      I will be sad to see him go. Always gave 100%. Despite not having the legs after injury he had a good football brain to be in the right place most of the time. Pity some of our other midfielders didn't pick up the skill to receive a ball, draw in an opposition player then play an offensive pass from him. Think he'll be missed behind the scenes also. It used to be Lucas that would ring up the young kids to gee them up when they were in with a shout of first team action. Did a captain's job without the armband.
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      Reply #51: Jul 15, 2017 03:52:21 pm
      I am gutted he's going, a fabulous player who always gave his very best. He really got the City and the fans and embraced it all. I wish him and his family all the very best, and I hope one day we'll see him back in some capacity.
      He will be missed, a great professional. 💕 😒
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      Reply #52: Jul 15, 2017 04:00:48 pm
      The very best of luck to Lucas and his family, sad to see adopted scousers leave us
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      Reply #53: Jul 15, 2017 04:14:15 pm
      You know what Rib, instead of infecting this forum with your dire attempts at provocation and immature bullshit, for once in your f**king life try being magnanimous and complimentary on occasions like this. Your post history is nothing but a shitstream of sub standard bullshit.



      Nailed it FMS, absolutely spot on, i can't remember Rib ever being complimentary to anyone who adorned the Liverpool Red, i also can't be arsed going thru previous posts but i really don't have to, because posts from the likes of him kind of get stuck in the memory banks, not because they are worth remembering but because you think to yourself, why the f**k should someone say that, obviously i cannot be particularly specific but the general consensus is his posts are like you said, a 'shitstream of sub standard bullshit', a very precise description of which i totally agree.


      ANYHOO !

      Good luck Lucas, a great player and servant to LFC, all the best lad.

      UNLUCKEEEEEEE!!!

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      Reply #54: Jul 15, 2017 04:16:58 pm
      I still think his performance in the League Cup Final last year against a very good Man City was a masterclass in defending that really put to shame our 'full time' central defenders, particularly Skrtel. One of the most honest, smart and dedicated players to have ever played for us and it's a real real shame that the prime of his career was ruined by injury and a club that was in dire straits thanks to the mess of Hicks, Gillett and Hodgson etc.
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      Reply #55: Jul 15, 2017 05:50:27 pm
      I still think his performance in the League Cup Final last year against a very good Man City was a masterclass in defending that really put to shame our 'full time' central defenders, particularly Skrtel. One of the most honest, smart and dedicated players to have ever played for us and it's a real real shame that the prime of his career was ruined by injury and a club that was in dire straits thanks to the mess of Hicks, Gillett and Hodgson etc.
      I can't say for the whole match because I honestly don't remember, but I remember he pretty much stood in front of Aguero for a few 3 seconds and didn't challenge for the ball which led to City scoring the opening goal. Moreno was in that calamity too, but honestly Lucas and Moreno both were terrible in that goal we conceded. That was a cup final game and got caught ball watching.

      here it is

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxIGAPJjPeI

      Anyway, maybe I am wrong and you are right and it was a masterclass  :f_whistle:
      Doesn't matter if I am right or wrong, but I will stick to my opinion, nice guy but was not good enough for Liverpool.
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      Reply #56: Jul 15, 2017 05:58:10 pm
      I can't say for the whole match because I honestly don't remember, but I remember he pretty much stood in front of Aguero for a few 3 seconds and didn't challenge for the ball which led to City scoring the opening goal. Moreno was in that calamity too, but honestly Lucas and Moreno both were terrible in that goal we conceded. That was a cup final game and got caught ball watching.

      here it is

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxIGAPJjPeI

      Anyway, maybe I am wrong and you are right and it was a masterclass  :f_whistle:
       

      Just watched it and Lucas was no way to blame! now f*ck off with your disrespect.
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      Reply #57: Jul 15, 2017 06:00:16 pm
      I can't say for the whole match because I honestly don't remember, but I remember he pretty much stood in front of Aguero for a few 3 seconds and didn't challenge for the ball which led to City scoring the opening goal. Moreno was in that calamity too, but honestly Lucas and Moreno both were terrible in that goal we conceded. That was a cup final game and got caught ball watching.

      here it is

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxIGAPJjPeI

      Anyway, maybe I am wrong and you are right and it was a masterclass  :f_whistle:
       

      Yeah what althebest said above. Clutching at straw ain't you.
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      Reply #58: Jul 15, 2017 06:02:09 pm
      Just watched it and Lucas was no way to blame! now f*ck off with your disrespect.
      It is not disrespectful to not rate a guy just because he was a nice guy and is leaving. It is called being honest. I don't care if I am hated on here for it, I won't change my mind and start rating Lucas now just to suit you guys. Like I already said, I wish him well and he is a great guy... but LFC quality? Not in my opinion.
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      Reply #59: Jul 15, 2017 06:08:48 pm
      Yeah what althebest said above. Clutching at straw ain't you.
      I think I remember now, he was very good in that game. I do still think he could have gone in and challenged for that though. There is a difference between rating and respecting a player, the two aren't the same. I honestly respect him but to say he didn't deserve fan criticism is barmy. Politically correct barmy brigade again. I respect Lucas more than Suarez, it has nothing to do with respect, purely football ability.
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