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      Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)

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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4080: Jan 07, 2018 10:45:18 am
      my real disappointment is that we wont have him for the City match.
      Boy did he have some good games against City.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4081: Jan 07, 2018 10:49:23 am
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      Reply #4082: Jan 07, 2018 10:55:39 am
      Let's put things into perspective here, Coutinho not as good as Suarez but we got twice the amount for him. It's nothing to do with the owners investing or not, Klopp has already explained why the club had to let him go, the lad was desperate to go and nothing was going to stop him. Its simple, move on from trying to lay the blame.

      Would you be fine if we don't replace him in January?
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4083: Jan 07, 2018 11:11:02 am
      Let's put things into perspective here, Coutinho not as good as Suarez but we got twice the amount for him. It's nothing to do with the owners investing or not, Klopp has already explained why the club had to let him go, the lad was desperate to go and nothing was going to stop him. Its simple, move on from trying to lay the blame.

      The point is how long has this this scenario prevailed yet it has not been addressed until it could seriously impact on the team's campaign??

      As with every outstanding performer previously who left for greener pastures, nothing is done to replace the genius until the greenbacks are in hand and the quest to economise kicks in.

      Whether the full Coutinho fee is add ons, appearence related or straight cash it's accepted that his replacement will not entail the payment of anywhere near the full fee.

      Irrespective the January market is a f**king nightmare if looking to replace a player of that calibre which begs the question again of why the f**k does everyone wait for the edge of the cliff scenario before acting?

      If FSG acted in this manner with their business activities i.e. showed a complete lack of expediency and forward thinking, the company would be on it's arse.
      « Last Edit: Jan 07, 2018 11:22:41 am by stuey »
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4084: Jan 07, 2018 11:20:58 am

      It is being played out like Suarez act 2, with a greater financial reward.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4085: Jan 07, 2018 11:22:03 am
      Would you be fine if we don't replace him in January?

      Why do you reckon we bought Oxlade-Chamberlain?  (Who is now 'up to speed')
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4086: Jan 07, 2018 11:29:37 am
      I don't think we will miss him as much as we make out, the stats are out there showing we have won more games without him this season..

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      Reply #4087: Jan 07, 2018 11:31:39 am
      Why do you reckon we bought Oxlade-Chamberlain?  (Who is now 'up to speed')

      You know what? I was just thinking the same thing!
      Ox was bought as the cheaper alternative to Lamar as it was supposed to be one or the other.
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      Reply #4088: Jan 07, 2018 11:34:31 am
      Why do you reckon we bought Oxlade-Chamberlain?  (Who is now 'up to speed')

      Doubt very much anyone gave that proposition too much credibility, he still has a couple of gear shifts at least to get anywhere near the required performance level.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4089: Jan 07, 2018 11:42:22 am
      Well many were scratching their heads, wondering why we bought him at the time, who he had come in to replace.

      Wondering why he wasn't playing much at first and then slowly watched him get involved more and more and understand how we play.

      Both Lallana and Oxlade-Chamberlain can play in that left (but mostly middle) midfield-attack position.

      We're more stuffed if Firmino gets injured than Coutinho moving to Barcelona IMO.
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      Reply #4090: Jan 07, 2018 11:47:44 am
      I don't think we will miss him as much as we make out, the stats are out there showing we have won more games without him this season..

      Mate, it’s a massive loss, let’s not sugarcoat it.

      There’s a reason why Barcelona have gone all out to get him. Other Prem team are loving the fact we are now OFFICIALLY weaker.

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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4091: Jan 07, 2018 11:52:44 am
      Mate, it’s a massive loss, let’s not sugarcoat it.

      There’s a reason why Barcelona have gone all out to get him. Other Prem team are loving the fact we are now OFFICIALLY weaker.



      We would be weaker if we sold Salah or Bobby gets injured, I'm not concerned in the slightest Phil has  gone...

      Barca are ageing fast, they need a recruitment drive, they spunked the Neymar money & got nothing back in return..
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4092: Jan 07, 2018 11:54:43 am
      Other Prem team are loving the fact we are now OFFICIALLY weaker.

      Would you give van Dijk back to keep hold of Coutinho?
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      Reply #4093: Jan 07, 2018 11:54:46 am
      Both Lallana and Oxlade-Chamberlain can play in that left (but mostly middle) midfield-attack position

      I hear you but aswell as being totally different players they are levels below.
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      Reply #4094: Jan 07, 2018 12:00:05 pm
      Coutinho had a better goalscoring rate than Firmino who supposedly is "proving doubters wrong" in terms of his scoring ability. But then he's not going to be missed? Yeah right.

      Coutinho leaves many gaps in the squad. Chamberlain has been OK but far from spectacular. He offers work rate, pace and versatility, but is nowhere near as good in many other aspects - no one in the squad had a better passing range and vision than Coutinho. And Coutinho has probably scored more Premier League goals in one season than Alex did in 8.

      Chamberlain is another one of our players who is far better suited to a counter attacking system than he is against the deep defending teams. He doesn't have the extra bit of magic that Coutinho offered.

      Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is the end of the world. I am disappointed to see another top player leave, and I can already see the "what could have been" type of posts when he starts showing his class in Barcelona. We're a bit like our feeder club Southampton in that respect. What could have been!

      We're in a strong position to move forward without him though, and I sure have far more faith in the club to make wise use of that money than I was when Suarez left the club. We cannot compromise on UCL qualification this season. If Klopp is confident he can achieve it without a new signing, then so be it, but if he's not, then by all means spend it and spend it now. Only by becoming a regular UCL participant, and using the money that comes with it to then challenge for trophies, will we be able to stop that vicious cycle of losing our best players every couple of years.

      I know "there was nothing the club could do", like there was nothing we could do about Torres, Sterling, Suarez? There's obviously something we can do in the medium/long term and it is not to let the situation get to that point where players have been at the club for years and feel their careers stagnating and start looking for more. And it starts with a good European run this season hopefully, and Champions League qualification once again.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4095: Jan 07, 2018 12:03:30 pm
      Would you be fine if we don't replace him in January?
      difficult to replace of course. Not saying it's not a loss but you can't keep a unhappy player. He helped us into the cl but time for all of us to move on. Barca haven't done so bad since neymar left? It's not the end of the world, time for the rest of the players to step up.

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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4096: Jan 07, 2018 12:07:13 pm
      Well many were scratching their heads, wondering why we bought him at the time, who he had come in to replace.

      Wondering why he wasn't playing much at first and then slowly watched him get involved more and more and understand how we play.

      Both Lallana and Oxlade-Chamberlain can play in that left (but mostly middle) midfield-attack position.

      We're more stuffed if Firmino gets injured than Coutinho moving to Barcelona IMO.

      Agree entirely the lad has improved with every game he's played and personally I think he can get better than the 'up to speed' level described.

      My reply was essentially a response to the Coutinho replacement suggestion which in spite of Chamberlain's improvement still seems a tall order.
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      Reply #4097: Jan 07, 2018 12:12:05 pm
      We cannot compromise on UCL qualification this season. If Klopp is confident he can achieve it without a new signing, then so be it, but if he's not, then by all means spend it and spend it now. Only by becoming a regular UCL participant, and using the money that comes with it to then challenge for trophies, will we be able to stop that vicious cycle of losing our best players every couple of years.

      Entirely agree with this.  Crucial to make it a habit.

      But let's face it - WITH Coutinho we were not nailed on for a top four this season.  We've only just earned ourselves a tiny cushion (ironically thanks to our last 3 points at Burnley when Coutinho didn't play).

      Coutinho was not waltzing us through to a Champions League place but I think that the addition of van Dijk may save some points that could.  Time will tell on that.

      Right here right now I still think our priorities 1) another keeper and 2) a forward to cover Firmino/Salah.

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      Reply #4098: Jan 07, 2018 12:12:35 pm
      Good luck in barca, cou and thanks for the time.
      Was in saurez thread earlier today and people wrote that oh, Cou will be next. Much later and they were proven right sadly.

      Torres, Suarez, sterling and now cou. I won't be bitter and blame the players when it's our own fault. We need to be on the top of the food chain to keep the top players. How is argument for another time and thread.

      Hope the lad does well in barca, and we will surely miss him.
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      Reply #4099: Jan 07, 2018 12:13:55 pm
      Well we have spineless Boston owners, never trust anything comes from Boston

      Were they also spineless in the summer? Are you really suggesting we keep a £140m player just playing in the ressies just to spite him and Barca, and then risk that Barca get so pissed off that they switch targets and we lose the money?? Thank f**k you aren't in charge of anything.
      Bottom line it sucks that he left mid season but its a very nice chunk of cash which we can use to really bolster the team and squad and I would rather get the cash in hand than have a pissed off player who can destabilise the rest of the team, especially Firminio, for the rest of the season.
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      Reply #4100: Jan 07, 2018 12:17:19 pm
      Mate, it’s a massive loss, let’s not sugarcoat it.

      There’s a reason why Barcelona have gone all out to get him. Other Prem team are loving the fact we are now OFFICIALLY weaker.



      I don't think we are weaker, I think the addition of VVD in defence more than compensates for the loss of Couts, if we can also bring someone in for Couts then we are mightily strengthened overall, see how I managed to find a silver lining, some of you miserable fuckers need to try a bit harder to do the same, its not the end of the world FFS!
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      Reply #4101: Jan 07, 2018 12:18:17 pm
      Well at least we have a manager who will spend the transfer money wisely and not blow it on sh*t ala Rodgers and the TC.
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      Reply #4102: Jan 07, 2018 12:18:20 pm
      Coutinho had a better goalscoring rate than Firmino who supposedly is "proving doubters wrong" in terms of his scoring ability. But then he's not going to be missed? Yeah right.

      Coutinho leaves many gaps in the squad. Chamberlain has been OK but far from spectacular. He offers work rate, pace and versatility, but is nowhere near as good in many other aspects - no one in the squad had a better passing range and vision than Coutinho. And Coutinho has probably scored more Premier League goals in one season than Alex did in 8.

      Chamberlain is another one of our players who is far better suited to a counter attacking system than he is against the deep defending teams. He doesn't have the extra bit of magic that Coutinho offered.

      Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is the end of the world. I am disappointed to see another top player leave, and I can already see the "what could have been" type of posts when he starts showing his class in Barcelona. We're a bit like our feeder club Southampton in that respect. What could have been!

      We're in a strong position to move forward without him though, and I sure have far more faith in the club to make wise use of that money than I was when Suarez left the club. We cannot compromise on UCL qualification this season. If Klopp is confident he can achieve it without a new signing, then so be it, but if he's not, then by all means spend it and spend it now. Only by becoming a regular UCL participant, and using the money that comes with it to then challenge for trophies, will we be able to stop that vicious cycle of losing our best players every couple of years.

      I know "there was nothing the club could do", like there was nothing we could do about Torres, Sterling, Suarez? There's obviously something we can do in the medium/long term and it is not to let the situation get to that point where players have been at the club for years and feel their careers stagnating and start looking for more. And it starts with a good European run this season hopefully, and Champions League qualification once again.

      Thank for posting this. I wholeheartedly agree with this, if my English would have been good as your Diego then I would have composed a post like this.
      although I would like to add that it's no point being bitter towards the player. It's our own fault. Like Diego have pointed out, we need to have a long term plan  for being in CL every year so we can have any hope of stopping our best players to leave.
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      Reply #4103: Jan 07, 2018 12:23:39 pm
      I don't think we are weaker, I think the addition of VVD in defence more than compensates for the loss of Couts, if we can also bring someone in for Couts then we are mightily strengthened overall, see how I managed to find a silver lining, some of you miserable fuckers need to try a bit harder to do the same, its not the end of the world FFS!

      Don't be ridiculous Cou is a world class player entering his prime he's a massive loss.

      We are now left with Lallana and Ox to fill the void left by Cou who are nowhere near his class.

      You can find all the silver linings you want to mate but the bottom line is we are now a weaker team.

      Sure VVD is quality and will improve us defensively but I guarantee we will struggle to score goals in games for the rest of the season.
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      Reply #4104: Jan 07, 2018 12:24:12 pm
      Entirely agree with this.  Crucial to make it a habit.

      But let's face it - WITH Coutinho we were not nailed on for a top four this season.  We've only just earned ourselves a tiny cushion (ironically thanks to our last 3 points at Burnley when Coutinho didn't play).

      Coutinho was not waltzing us through to a Champions League place but I think that the addition of van Dijk may save some points that could.  Time will tell on that.

      Right here right now I still think our priorities 1) another keeper and 2) a forward to cover Firmino/Salah.



      I agree a keeper would be my top priority. Someone who would make an instant impact like VVD. Oblak and Alisson are my favourites

      But I still think we'll miss many of Coutinho's attributes in this squad, such as vision, passing, set pieces, and also positionally, as he was the best left sided player we had.

      We probably won't find a like for like replacement, but we could do it in parts.

      For example: with Thomas Lemar, we'd have a player who's well suited to playing on the left, and who, in my opinion, can also play as a 10 or perhaps even as CM if necessary. I don't really watch French football on a regular basis to be honest, but I did see a bit of Monaco last season, including live at the Etihad, and I feel he's that good.

      We'd still be missing the "inside forward" type of play that Coutinho offers, though, cutting inside from the left with his right. And as we say, we need cover for Firmino - if he's injured, we have no one even close to resemble what he offers, Solanke is so far behind it's not even funny, Sturridge is unreliable and I think it unrealistic to expect much from Ings at this point.

      So we could potentially sign a player who could offer a bit of both. Say Gonçalo Guedes from PSG/Valencia is a very good inside forward, as is Lozano from PSV. Can they also play Firmino's role? Not sure, but Lozano most likely yes. And then we could probably see two players incoming and be stronger as a result, squad wise.

      Well anyway, I trust Klopp to find the right man. I'm not sure if I trust LFC to get him at the right time, but Klopp's eye for talent is quite obvious.
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      Reply #4105: Jan 07, 2018 12:34:34 pm
      I always like to look at what other fans are saying about us, as it’s a more honest opinion (unless it’s Everton or Utd fans) everyone including arsenal fans are just mocking us for selling our best player in January and completly derailing our own season.

      If we don’t have a plan and someone new coming in then we are in for a right tough time come May if we finish outside of the top 4, then the excuses of not having champions league to attract better players will come up again.

      So far under FSG 1 step forward 2 steps back, every single time we look to be making progress.

      Only we could make summers embarrassing transfer window look decent 5 months later.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4106: Jan 07, 2018 12:36:29 pm


      c**t...isnt he injured. smiling rat! hope you get bad injury...so muc h for his love with liverpool.
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      Reply #4107: Jan 07, 2018 12:50:53 pm
      Yeah I for one expected him to be in tears of extreme sadness for getting the move he asked for.
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      Reply #4108: Jan 07, 2018 12:57:20 pm
      Let's not pussyfoot about we have just gone and sold our best player yet again.

      F***ing oath we are worse of without him and IMO he was a class above anyone in our squad barring Mo, replacing him will be near impossible this window.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4109: Jan 07, 2018 01:01:09 pm
      Other fans club saying we are sell best player to buy would we brought vvd and keita without selling phi

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