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      Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)

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      redindian
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4075: Jan 07, 2018 09:28:22 am
      Not liking the way the 142 figure is being bandied about. It's 105 rising when and if add ons are met.

      Isn't it?

      basic fee of £106m, plus a further £36m in variables, of which £26m should be easily met. After the £105m basic, an additional £17m would be payable for the first 100 games Coutinho plays for Barcelona, £4.4m per 25 games. A further £4.4m would be paid for Champions League qualification in the first two seasons with a £4.4m bonus for winning the competition. Coutinho has agreed a five-and-a-half-year deal worth £12.1m a season

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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4076: Jan 07, 2018 09:50:54 am
      my real disappointment is that we wont have him for the City match.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4077: Jan 07, 2018 09:55:39 am
      my real disappointment is that we wont have him for the City match.

      He'd have faked injury anyway.

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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4078: Jan 07, 2018 10:23:09 am
      Well we have spineless Boston owners, never trust anything comes from Boston

      After 8 years nothing has changed, financial expediency takes priority over what this club exists for - success on the field.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4079: Jan 07, 2018 10:39:32 am
      Let's put things into perspective here, Coutinho not as good as Suarez but we got twice the amount for him. It's nothing to do with the owners investing or not, Klopp has already explained why the club had to let him go, the lad was desperate to go and nothing was going to stop him. Its simple, move on from trying to lay the blame.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4080: Jan 07, 2018 10:45:18 am
      my real disappointment is that we wont have him for the City match.
      Boy did he have some good games against City.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4081: Jan 07, 2018 10:49:23 am
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      Reply #4082: Jan 07, 2018 10:55:39 am
      Let's put things into perspective here, Coutinho not as good as Suarez but we got twice the amount for him. It's nothing to do with the owners investing or not, Klopp has already explained why the club had to let him go, the lad was desperate to go and nothing was going to stop him. Its simple, move on from trying to lay the blame.

      Would you be fine if we don't replace him in January?
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4083: Jan 07, 2018 11:11:02 am
      Let's put things into perspective here, Coutinho not as good as Suarez but we got twice the amount for him. It's nothing to do with the owners investing or not, Klopp has already explained why the club had to let him go, the lad was desperate to go and nothing was going to stop him. Its simple, move on from trying to lay the blame.

      The point is how long has this this scenario prevailed yet it has not been addressed until it could seriously impact on the team's campaign??

      As with every outstanding performer previously who left for greener pastures, nothing is done to replace the genius until the greenbacks are in hand and the quest to economise kicks in.

      Whether the full Coutinho fee is add ons, appearence related or straight cash it's accepted that his replacement will not entail the payment of anywhere near the full fee.

      Irrespective the January market is a f**king nightmare if looking to replace a player of that calibre which begs the question again of why the f**k does everyone wait for the edge of the cliff scenario before acting?

      If FSG acted in this manner with their business activities i.e. showed a complete lack of expediency and forward thinking, the company would be on it's arse.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4084: Jan 07, 2018 11:20:58 am

      It is being played out like Suarez act 2, with a greater financial reward.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4085: Jan 07, 2018 11:22:03 am
      Would you be fine if we don't replace him in January?

      Why do you reckon we bought Oxlade-Chamberlain?  (Who is now 'up to speed')
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4086: Jan 07, 2018 11:29:37 am
      I don't think we will miss him as much as we make out, the stats are out there showing we have won more games without him this season..

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      Reply #4087: Jan 07, 2018 11:31:39 am
      Why do you reckon we bought Oxlade-Chamberlain?  (Who is now 'up to speed')

      You know what? I was just thinking the same thing!
      Ox was bought as the cheaper alternative to Lamar as it was supposed to be one or the other.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4088: Jan 07, 2018 11:34:31 am
      Why do you reckon we bought Oxlade-Chamberlain?  (Who is now 'up to speed')

      Doubt very much anyone gave that proposition too much credibility, he still has a couple of gear shifts at least to get anywhere near the required performance level.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4089: Jan 07, 2018 11:42:22 am
      Well many were scratching their heads, wondering why we bought him at the time, who he had come in to replace.

      Wondering why he wasn't playing much at first and then slowly watched him get involved more and more and understand how we play.

      Both Lallana and Oxlade-Chamberlain can play in that left (but mostly middle) midfield-attack position.

      We're more stuffed if Firmino gets injured than Coutinho moving to Barcelona IMO.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4090: Jan 07, 2018 11:47:44 am
      I don't think we will miss him as much as we make out, the stats are out there showing we have won more games without him this season..

      Mate, it’s a massive loss, let’s not sugarcoat it.

      There’s a reason why Barcelona have gone all out to get him. Other Prem team are loving the fact we are now OFFICIALLY weaker.

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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4091: Jan 07, 2018 11:52:44 am
      Mate, it’s a massive loss, let’s not sugarcoat it.

      There’s a reason why Barcelona have gone all out to get him. Other Prem team are loving the fact we are now OFFICIALLY weaker.



      We would be weaker if we sold Salah or Bobby gets injured, I'm not concerned in the slightest Phil has  gone...

      Barca are ageing fast, they need a recruitment drive, they spunked the Neymar money & got nothing back in return..
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4092: Jan 07, 2018 11:54:43 am
      Other Prem team are loving the fact we are now OFFICIALLY weaker.

      Would you give van Dijk back to keep hold of Coutinho?
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      Reply #4093: Jan 07, 2018 11:54:46 am
      Both Lallana and Oxlade-Chamberlain can play in that left (but mostly middle) midfield-attack position

      I hear you but aswell as being totally different players they are levels below.
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      Reply #4094: Jan 07, 2018 12:00:05 pm
      Coutinho had a better goalscoring rate than Firmino who supposedly is "proving doubters wrong" in terms of his scoring ability. But then he's not going to be missed? Yeah right.

      Coutinho leaves many gaps in the squad. Chamberlain has been OK but far from spectacular. He offers work rate, pace and versatility, but is nowhere near as good in many other aspects - no one in the squad had a better passing range and vision than Coutinho. And Coutinho has probably scored more Premier League goals in one season than Alex did in 8.

      Chamberlain is another one of our players who is far better suited to a counter attacking system than he is against the deep defending teams. He doesn't have the extra bit of magic that Coutinho offered.

      Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is the end of the world. I am disappointed to see another top player leave, and I can already see the "what could have been" type of posts when he starts showing his class in Barcelona. We're a bit like our feeder club Southampton in that respect. What could have been!

      We're in a strong position to move forward without him though, and I sure have far more faith in the club to make wise use of that money than I was when Suarez left the club. We cannot compromise on UCL qualification this season. If Klopp is confident he can achieve it without a new signing, then so be it, but if he's not, then by all means spend it and spend it now. Only by becoming a regular UCL participant, and using the money that comes with it to then challenge for trophies, will we be able to stop that vicious cycle of losing our best players every couple of years.

      I know "there was nothing the club could do", like there was nothing we could do about Torres, Sterling, Suarez? There's obviously something we can do in the medium/long term and it is not to let the situation get to that point where players have been at the club for years and feel their careers stagnating and start looking for more. And it starts with a good European run this season hopefully, and Champions League qualification once again.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4095: Jan 07, 2018 12:03:30 pm
      Would you be fine if we don't replace him in January?
      difficult to replace of course. Not saying it's not a loss but you can't keep a unhappy player. He helped us into the cl but time for all of us to move on. Barca haven't done so bad since neymar left? It's not the end of the world, time for the rest of the players to step up.

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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4096: Jan 07, 2018 12:07:13 pm
      Well many were scratching their heads, wondering why we bought him at the time, who he had come in to replace.

      Wondering why he wasn't playing much at first and then slowly watched him get involved more and more and understand how we play.

      Both Lallana and Oxlade-Chamberlain can play in that left (but mostly middle) midfield-attack position.

      We're more stuffed if Firmino gets injured than Coutinho moving to Barcelona IMO.

      Agree entirely the lad has improved with every game he's played and personally I think he can get better than the 'up to speed' level described.

      My reply was essentially a response to the Coutinho replacement suggestion which in spite of Chamberlain's improvement still seems a tall order.
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      Reply #4097: Jan 07, 2018 12:12:05 pm
      We cannot compromise on UCL qualification this season. If Klopp is confident he can achieve it without a new signing, then so be it, but if he's not, then by all means spend it and spend it now. Only by becoming a regular UCL participant, and using the money that comes with it to then challenge for trophies, will we be able to stop that vicious cycle of losing our best players every couple of years.

      Entirely agree with this.  Crucial to make it a habit.

      But let's face it - WITH Coutinho we were not nailed on for a top four this season.  We've only just earned ourselves a tiny cushion (ironically thanks to our last 3 points at Burnley when Coutinho didn't play).

      Coutinho was not waltzing us through to a Champions League place but I think that the addition of van Dijk may save some points that could.  Time will tell on that.

      Right here right now I still think our priorities 1) another keeper and 2) a forward to cover Firmino/Salah.

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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4098: Jan 07, 2018 12:12:35 pm
      Good luck in barca, cou and thanks for the time.
      Was in saurez thread earlier today and people wrote that oh, Cou will be next. Much later and they were proven right sadly.

      Torres, Suarez, sterling and now cou. I won't be bitter and blame the players when it's our own fault. We need to be on the top of the food chain to keep the top players. How is argument for another time and thread.

      Hope the lad does well in barca, and we will surely miss him.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #4099: Jan 07, 2018 12:13:55 pm
      Well we have spineless Boston owners, never trust anything comes from Boston

      Were they also spineless in the summer? Are you really suggesting we keep a £140m player just playing in the ressies just to spite him and Barca, and then risk that Barca get so pissed off that they switch targets and we lose the money?? Thank f**k you aren't in charge of anything.
      Bottom line it sucks that he left mid season but its a very nice chunk of cash which we can use to really bolster the team and squad and I would rather get the cash in hand than have a pissed off player who can destabilise the rest of the team, especially Firminio, for the rest of the season.

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