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      Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      bmck
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #810: Aug 12, 2017 06:46:03 pm
      I genuinely believe Klopp will learn a lot from this game and take the appropriate actions.


      Dunno, has he not seen that before, many times?! And thought the action was to be taken during the summer, when we were promised plans were already in place, with lots of money available to buy new (quality) players.
      Since then, more guys have left than have come in.  What needs to be done is simply not getting done.
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #811: Aug 12, 2017 06:54:49 pm
      Another stoppage time goal conceded, apparently nothing has changed, defensive wise anyway !
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      Reply #812: Aug 12, 2017 06:58:50 pm
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      Roberto Firmino's game by numbers vs. Watford:
      100% take-ons completed
      4 blocks
      3 take-ons
      2 chances created
      1 assist
      1 shot
      1 goal

      I'm not wearing an 'I hate Bob' t-shirt. He's done well for us. Just think he was very poor today in general. Not sure if this Squawka guy actually watched the match! :)

      I'd been very critical of TAA, but thought he was much improved. Not perfect. But for a FB, his set piece deliveries should have had us at least one more goal.  Point being, amn't going to bash a guy cause I have some vendetta. If Bob plays better next week, will say.

      I'm not sure what those stats prove in fairness. What does '100% take-ons completed' mean?  Cause he gave the ball away constantly, particularly first half.
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #813: Aug 12, 2017 07:01:15 pm
      cant believe people are picking at firmino after THAT performance from LFC......
      scored a pen, his touch to salah to win the pen was gorgeous, and made the 3rd whether he meant it or not!

      fact is, we will get nowhere defending like this. its abysmal and nothing seems to be changing. mad.

      MOTM   I put him down for.   

      Armchair critics on Bobby's back yet again .
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #814: Aug 12, 2017 07:03:52 pm
      Just home from work.

      Same old story for us it appears.
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #815: Aug 12, 2017 07:05:31 pm
      Hendo is sh*t he just pass it sideways Gino just OK can is slow as f**k

      This
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      Reply #816: Aug 12, 2017 07:22:44 pm
      I'm not wearing an 'I hate Bob' t-shirt. He's done well for us. Just think he was very poor today in general. Not sure if this Squawka guy actually watched the match! :)

      I'd been very critical of TAA, but thought he was much improved. Not perfect. But for a FB, his set piece deliveries should have had us at least one more goal.  Point being, amn't going to bash a guy cause I have some vendetta. If Bob plays better next week, will say.

      I'm not sure what those stats prove in fairness. What does '100% take-ons completed' mean?  Cause he gave the ball away constantly, particularly first half.

      I'm not sure where everyone is getting that he was constantly giving the ball away. I watched the entire game and short a couple of wayward passes (the entire team is guilty of that), he was absolutely fantastic given that he was seldom given any space to operate and routinely deals with fouls without going down asking for them. He's relentless in his pressure, rarely loafs and usually is involved when we score a goal, one way or the other.
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #817: Aug 12, 2017 07:23:07 pm
      Mane will be next player will be hard keep when go other top club knows how win things sad true we not going win anything with klopp or fsg both need go

      Jesus fella - geez peace.....what's with the Klopp agenda?
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #818: Aug 12, 2017 07:41:19 pm
      Local lads get away with more.

      They shouldn't. Trent cost us a goal like Wijnaldum.
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #819: Aug 12, 2017 07:42:27 pm
      I what klopp win things same as next fan but he not leaning and spend bit money not saying spend like man city but least try get couple more players better that what we have
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #820: Aug 12, 2017 07:46:48 pm
      Until the defence is sorted, it will be an uphill struggle like previous seasons. Tired of pointing the obvious out tbh.
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #821: Aug 12, 2017 07:49:31 pm
      We actually started defending set pieces okay at the end of last season but reverted back to type, so frustrating as going forward even without lallana and phil we look pretty potent
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #822: Aug 12, 2017 08:00:36 pm
      Same here mate, bit of an over reaction from many in here. Clear we are short a couple players and we've got a squad that cannot cope with the loss of Coutinho, Lallana and Studge. Bring 2-3 more in and keep the Brazilian and we have the potential to be in terrific shape.

      Mate we've had to cope without Stu for 3 seasons now.
      « Last Edit: Aug 12, 2017 08:49:15 pm by bazspeedman »
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      Reply #823: Aug 12, 2017 08:06:18 pm
      Haven't seen the match yet, but from what I've read, it's same sh*t different year a far as defence is concerned.
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #824: Aug 12, 2017 08:07:26 pm
      Sell Coutinho and buy a bloody central defender. VVD is not the only good centre back in the world.
      Sooner have Gary Medel than Lovern
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      Reply #825: Aug 12, 2017 08:11:00 pm
      Mane will be next player will be hard keep when go other top club knows how win things sad true we not going win anything with klopp or fsg both need go

       You're talking out your arse now.
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #826: Aug 12, 2017 08:12:09 pm
      Well he's under contract and we don't have to sell him.

      If he wants to sulk for a season and ruin any chance of joining Barca next Summer that's his problem not ours.
      That's the point... It is our problem... Sell him now and we still have 19 days to bring someone in, plus a possible Ā£100+ m in which to do so, or sell him next season for less and have this season ruined
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #827: Aug 12, 2017 08:14:22 pm
      British/Irish  goalkeeper and centre halves required. Whatever they might lack in style theyll make up in heart and bravery. Body on the line mentallity would save us loints like today

      Sick of liverpool men ducking at corners etc
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      Reply #828: Aug 12, 2017 08:15:56 pm
      Far too many walking around smiling after conceding goals today. Not enough angry snides driven to win. Soft underbelly exposed again today.

      No b***ard, no c**t, no snide, nobody who is always at the ref, no iron, no leaders. Not enough of anything a side with aspirations of winning big should have.

      Bar 3 or 4, throughout the whole squad, it's all very nice and average.
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      Reply #829: Aug 12, 2017 08:23:16 pm
      No b***ard, no c**t, no snide, nobody who is always at the ref, no iron, no leaders. Not enough of anything a side with aspirations of winning big should have.

      Bar 3 or 4, throughout the whole squad, it's all very nice and average.

      It's not a question of build either, look at Mane, he has that arrogance.

      Saw after they went 2-1 up Hendo literally jogging away from the penalty area as if he didn't have a care in the world. First game of the season and just trotting back to the kick off positions. Sh*t like that winds me up, a captain should be rallying his troops, lighting fires and demanding more. If that was leading by example the others were following like sheep.

      Partly why I wanted Grujic in there so we couldn't be bullied, he is a unit and he's got a bit of that growl about him. Just give someone a snarl and a "back the f**k up". Throughout the first half our lads were second to every bouncing ball in the middle of the park, not just because they were against bigger men (see Lucas if you need to see how a shorter guy can win those battles) but the desire just isn't bubbling.

      It's why Can, Hendo and Wijnaldum should never be the 3, they're made too similar, accept failure as "oh well, we'll do better next time" and don't understand the sheer malaise some of their play spreads throughout the team and transmits to the fans, infuriating.
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #830: Aug 12, 2017 08:31:34 pm
      Watford were poor today
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #831: Aug 12, 2017 08:44:21 pm

      Yea they should have beat us easily.
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #832: Aug 12, 2017 08:46:55 pm

      Compared to previous years or other teams? I thought they looked very well organised and motivated today
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      Reply #833: Aug 12, 2017 08:47:28 pm
      That's the point... It is our problem... Sell him now and we still have 19 days to bring someone in, plus a possible Ā£100+ m in which to do so, or sell him next season for less and have this season ruined

      Why would we sell Cou for less next season?

      If anything his value will rise even more.

      What's the point in having  Ā£100 million to panic buy with?

      Have you not seen now this worked out for us in past seasons?
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #834: Aug 12, 2017 08:48:32 pm

      Gary Medel is not a CB mate.
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #835: Aug 12, 2017 08:52:02 pm
      Yea they should have beat us easily.

      Or we should of beat them easily.

      They were there for the taking
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #836: Aug 12, 2017 09:12:15 pm
      Compared to previous years or other teams? I thought they looked very well organised and motivated today

      It seem to me you are making excuses where non are deserved
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #837: Aug 12, 2017 09:22:25 pm
      Compared to previous years or other teams? I thought they looked very well organised and motivated today

      First half, yes.  Second half, we should have killed the game off early, could have been 4/5-2 to us tbh.
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      Re: Watford 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #838: Aug 12, 2017 09:27:23 pm
      First half, yes.  Second half, we should have killed the game off early, could have been 4/5-2 to us tbh.

      In fairness we hit the post when we well on top, if that had gone in we would have won with ease, its just a bit of bad luck in not finishing the game off, we really weren't as bad as some are saying, but we can of course play much much better, especially in defence.
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      Reply #839: Aug 12, 2017 09:33:36 pm
      It's not a question of build either, look at Mane, he has that arrogance.

      Saw after they went 2-1 up Hendo literally jogging away from the penalty area as if he didn't have a care in the world. First game of the season and just trotting back to the kick off positions. Sh*t like that winds me up, a captain should be rallying his troops, lighting fires and demanding more. If that was leading by example the others were following like sheep.

      Partly why I wanted Grujic in there so we couldn't be bullied, he is a unit and he's got a bit of that growl about him. Just give someone a snarl and a "back the f**k up". Throughout the first half our lads were second to every bouncing ball in the middle of the park, not just because they were against bigger men (see Lucas if you need to see how a shorter guy can win those battles) but the desire just isn't bubbling.

      It's why Can, Hendo and Wijnaldum should never be the 3, they're made too similar, accept failure as "oh well, we'll do better next time" and don't understand the sheer malaise some of their play spreads throughout the team and transmits to the fans, infuriating.
      This is a great post, like the comment about Henderson - oh well, lets kick off, like having a unit in midfield ala Viera and your right that midfield 3 are very similar and actually quite turgid.

      Just while I'm posting, not in reply to yours KL I'm surprised Salah is leading MOTM, he did OK but got tangled up half a dozen times and put a shot past the left post, a fairly straight forward half volley over the bar and a shot from about 5 yards into the right side netting.  Hope that isn't setting a benchmark

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