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      Q. LFC Man of the Match v Hoffenheim?

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      Trent Alexander-Arnold
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      Dejan Lovren
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      Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion

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      KopiteLuke
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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #475: Aug 23, 2017 10:06:34 pm
      That was a good win , fantastic attack but sh*t defence again. That Elephant in the room is getting bigger and when we meet a top class team we'll get no chance.

      Hoffenheim are a good side, I know what you mean but doesn't our record against the top 6 last season give you at least some confidence, Jürgen has proven he knows how to exploit weaknesses in quality opposition and will continue to.

      Granted a Real or Bayern will rip some of our defending to absolute shreds at the moment, but that's the very top end, up until that point I think we'll be fine.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #476: Aug 23, 2017 10:06:48 pm
      Was all for Bobby MOTM  but give it to him a lot these days so I let Can have it for his two goals.

      Incredible pace and movement up front in the first half from the front four.

      Pleased to see Henderson lay the ball across to Bobby to score the 4th.
      Ask yourself ...would Moreno have done that?  No.

      Would have expected to have seen Solanke and Studge on for at least 20 minutes of the end of the second half  but I'm sure that minds more capable than ours have plans ready for the Arse.



      We're rolling.  Back in the CL proper. Back at the top table and no reason why we can not stay there.

      Come on FSG.   You can safely get the cheque book out and spend some more cash as of tomorrow.
      « Last Edit: Aug 23, 2017 10:15:55 pm by MIRO »
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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #477: Aug 23, 2017 10:08:08 pm
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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #478: Aug 23, 2017 10:08:29 pm
      Great in attack but the opposite in defence, please Klopp address please

      Is it mostly down to Lovren. Seams that every time we put in a poor defensive show Lovren seams to be in the frame. Is it time to cut him loose or is it really just that we do not defend as a unit. Is Hendo a real holding player or is he trying to be box to box. Do we defend well enough in front of the back 4. Can is always trying to get forward. Winnie isn't good enough going forward or on the back foot.

      Think that it could be Hendo is not playing the holding role and is getting caught between two stools. Plus we do not put enough effort into really attacking the ball on set pieces. No real leader at the back.Moreno isn't a better defender than Milner. Although TAA has done well, he's still getting used to playing with the defense.

      Klopp himself probably not sure of his best back 4. Play Matip,Gomez,Lovren and two wing backs V Arsenal. If we give them space & time they will kill us.
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      Reply #479: Aug 23, 2017 10:08:38 pm
      After seeing the post match presser from the Boss, we ain't signing anyone!
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      Reply #480: Aug 23, 2017 10:10:41 pm
      After seeing the post match presser from the Boss, we ain't signing anyone!

      Had that feeling for a while.
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      Reply #481: Aug 23, 2017 10:13:54 pm
      Hoffenheim are a good side, I know what you mean but doesn't our record against the top 6 last season give you at least some confidence, Jürgen has proven he knows how to exploit weaknesses in quality opposition and will continue to.

      Granted a Real or Bayern will rip some of our defending to absolute shreds at the moment, but that's the very top end, up until that point I think we'll be fine.
      I'm delighted with the win Luke but we won't last too long in the group stages with that defence Klopp needs to sort it out now.
       

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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #482: Aug 23, 2017 10:18:33 pm
      Great performance all round bar lovren 😡Inept,poor ,shits himself far too much for my liking and is a f**king divi!! Time to get shut he's our only liability
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      Reply #483: Aug 23, 2017 10:18:40 pm
      Get the f**k in there lads! Brilliant performance that in both legs in my opinion and job very professionally done, in our style :D

      Ratings:

      Migs: Thought he commanded his box very well indeed, don't think he did as well as he could have with the shots though, but good enough in the end. 6.5

      Moreno: Thought he was far better than most will give him credit for, it was a good display by Moreno who was put in the sh*t time and time again by his LCB and bailed Gini our more than a few times. Was a constant threat to them which gave us the overlaps we needed or forced their players on the back foot. 7

      Lovren: I could go on all night how poor he was but on the back of a victory and a step into the CL proper then I'm going to just leave it as a 2.

      Matip: In total contrast to his man next to him he was composed all night, took command when he had to and wasn't beaten by anyone that I saw, top quality as ever. 8

      Trent: Thought he was terrorised by Gnabry, still some delicious crosses and the way he stepped onto the crossfield pass and nearly burst through them reminded me very much of Gerrard with a little bit more speed, not seen that in our side since. Very exciting and think we'll see that more and more as people get used to him stepping up from deep. When Gnabry went off Trent was released and sh*t all over them for a while. 6.5

      Henderson: Still think he was the best of our midfielders, put in a real shift and the king of the sideways pass did the best one of the night, unselfish or not, that was the right decision and put it on a plate for the MotM. Thought he broke up play and offered quite decent protection for Trent, wasn't the same afforded for Alby though (check the tactics thread anyone wondering why). 8

      Can: Very good for some of the game, very poor for other portions, thought he had a good slice of luck for the first goal but some lovely passes by Emre and put himself about much more than in the first leg, let's hope his form continues in this trajectory. Also unlucky not to get his hatty if Mane had put him in earlier he'd have had it imo, but still nearly pulled it off. 7

      Gini: Started the game well but kept relying on his strength in the last 20 minutes of the first half and was getting picked on and Hoff saw a weakness there and started really exploiting it. Again fluctuated in the second half and should have had a couple of goals himself. 6.5

      Mane: He's a delight to watch, when he got trod on and stood up and got the crowd going, personally I absolutely love that. Not as much as I love the way he plays football, absolute pure class and he's going to be right up there with player of the season, not just for us, but of the entire league this season imo. 8.5

      Firmino: Pure class, world class tonight, despite his miss (Mane and Gini also missed 1v1s btw), the way he glued our entire attack together couldn't more evident than that first 21 minutes. Deserved more than just 1 goal and an assist tonight and was a joy to watch all evening. When you add what he did defensively, seriously watch it again if you didn't see it first time, I thought if he'd scored that 1v1 he'd have been a 10. Has to be a 9 though with that miss.

      Salah: Disappointing, needs to step it up and shake off the nerves, was far better when he allowed himself to relax in pre-season but still got another goal (albeit a tap in). Still decent but he can be so much better than decent. 6.5

      Milly: I like him as a late sub, his lack of pace is totally hidden and he looks a different player. 6

      Gomez: To be honest he didn't have too much to do, with Gnabry off their attacks down this side had dried up completely, did what he had to do and was steady but it wasn't exactly a tough examination. 6

      Klavan: N/A

      Klopp: That's how you shove the words down the opposition manager's throat. Could have scored 8 or 9 and we destroyed them from the off for 20 minutes or so that showed them exactly what Anfield is about. Needs to get after that lads for allowing  themselves to relax too much at 3-0 up but still, it was done and we had them by the throat and ripped it out. Top stuff boss and back in the big time as we deserve, now go and buy VvD ffs!! :D 8.5

      Well in lads!

      Spot on. Kept a very close eye on Moreno tonight after everything I've read recently and he did well. Don't think he put a foot wrong positionally and other than a few sloppy passes, I think he had an excellent game. Saw a lot of people getting on his back after missing that interception in the second half, but it's a clear instruction from Klopp to try and make that interception there. If he gets that, we're on the break again and we could create a big chance. It's the risk vs reward that we read about. Maybe when we're up by two goals he shouldn't be doing it, but I don't really mind there.

      Thought our midfield looked a lot more balanced than what we've seen from them in the past few games. Henderson and Can played well and Wijnaldum, even though not yet as good as we know he can be, was a lot better than what we've seen from him so far too.

      And instead of everyone discrediting our own defence (which I thought, bar Lovren, was very decent), might want to actually give some credit to that excellent offensive play by Hoffenheim who created quite a few chances with very good football.
      « Last Edit: Aug 23, 2017 10:26:46 pm by Danzel »
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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #484: Aug 23, 2017 10:26:16 pm

      Firmino:

      Pure class, world class tonight, despite his miss (Mane and Gini also missed 1v1s btw), the way he glued our entire attack together couldn't more evident than that first 21 minutes. Deserved more than just 1 goal and an assist tonight and was a joy to watch all evening. When you add what he did defensively, seriously watch it again if you didn't see it first time, I thought if he'd scored that 1v1 he'd have been a 10. Has to be a 9 though with that miss.



      Yes Luke mate .

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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #485: Aug 23, 2017 10:27:18 pm
      Hoffenheim are a good side, I know what you mean but doesn't our record against the top 6 last season give you at least some confidence, Jürgen has proven he knows how to exploit weaknesses in quality opposition and will continue to.

      Granted a Real or Bayern will rip some of our defending to absolute shreds at the moment, but that's the very top end, up until that point I think we'll be fine.

      Our record against top teams is better because they do not resort to basic high ball attacking. The more sophisticated the opponents the better we play. Up against a more basic team that requires true honest reliable defending is when we have problems.

      To defend really well it takes one defender to set the tone. One fully reliable defender to put in a solid shift and be decisive. That transmits to others. Simply put...we do not have a leader between the two central defenders. Matip & Lovren have proven ability but I don't see enough leadership qualities and untill we find a true leader at the back we will continue to concede poor goals.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #486: Aug 23, 2017 10:28:57 pm
      Matip & Lovren have proven ability but I don't see enough leadership qualities and untill we find a true leader at the back we will continue to concede poor goals.

      This is a good point and when you toss Mig's into the equation your 3 central defenders do not have a leader and do not communicate.

      We have not had that since Carra retired.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #487: Aug 23, 2017 10:30:14 pm
      Get in there. Real business starts now.

      Had a sh*te stream but by all accounts that first 20 minutes we were electric.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #488: Aug 23, 2017 10:30:26 pm
      Great performance all round bar lovren 😡Inept,poor ,shits himself far too much for my liking and is a f**king divi!! Time to get shut he's our only liability
      He's surely not our only liability, Migs is up there too.

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      Reply #489: Aug 23, 2017 10:33:01 pm
      GET THE FUCK IN.

      BOBBY MY MOTM

      I ALSO REALISE I'M STILL WRITING IN CAPS AND LOOK LIKE I AM SHOUTING BUT I'VE COME TOO FAR TO GO BACK WHEN PISSED ON PHONE.










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      Reply #490: Aug 23, 2017 10:35:49 pm
      Get in there. Real business starts now.

      Had a sh*te stream but by all accounts that first 20 minutes we were electric.

      Just get yourself a Mag 250 mate. £220 for install including first year then £100 a year after that. Every channel. I've fu**ed Sky right off.

      DM me if you want any info and a contact
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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #491: Aug 23, 2017 10:40:18 pm
      Get the f**k in!

      Bobby Firmino.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #492: Aug 23, 2017 10:48:27 pm
      Just get yourself a Mag 250 mate. £220 for install including first year then £100 a year after that. Every channel. I've fu**ed Sky right off.

      DM me if you want any info and a contact
      Is it legal?
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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #493: Aug 23, 2017 11:07:16 pm

      LOL do you even need to ask that!

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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #494: Aug 23, 2017 11:11:00 pm
      https://twitter.com/MrBoywunder/status/900445426985443328

      This goal is stupidly good for all the right reasons. Love Jürgen's reaction to it "That's football!", ripped them apart with ease but such precision.

      Also didn't give Gini the credit he deserved at the time for the pass, that was sumptuous!
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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #495: Aug 23, 2017 11:15:48 pm
      Still I am more worried about the big picture than before, despite our sweet win. We seem to have another season with another defense that is good for a couple of goals every game. That will kill us longterm. I wonder what Klopp thinks about it.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #496: Aug 23, 2017 11:18:07 pm
      After seeing the post match presser from the Boss, we ain't signing anyone!

      I totally disagree, I am now certain we will as he hinted twice that players want CL footy, well we can now offer that.
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      Reply #497: Aug 23, 2017 11:19:36 pm
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      Reply #498: Aug 23, 2017 11:21:55 pm
      I totally disagree, I am now certain we will as he hinted twice that players want CL footy, well we can now offer that.
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      I agree definate CB will be signed
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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #499: Aug 23, 2017 11:57:20 pm
      I totally disagree, I am now certain we will as he hinted twice that players want CL footy, well we can now offer that.

      We will find out within 7 days, that's for sure.

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