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      Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Liverpool 4-2 1899 Hoffenheim: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #525: Aug 24, 2017 09:47:15 am
      I've watched our third goal at least 20 times since full time. What a f**king move.

      Gets better on each watch - ball from Wijnaldum was perfect, whole move was delicious.
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      Reply #526: Aug 24, 2017 10:03:00 am
      I went looking for the foul on mane but couldn't find it, I wanted to see the after bit where the crowd started backing him but couldn't find it. Anyone?

      Goals and highlights though.

      https://youtu.be/wDmgJqw0dN8
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      Reply #527: Aug 24, 2017 10:26:29 am
      Love this goal, thanks for the reminder.
      A la Mcdermot v Spurs in the 7-0 win in '78 I think it was?
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      Reply #528: Aug 24, 2017 10:35:35 am
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      Reply #529: Aug 24, 2017 10:39:05 am
      Wow, what a performance, especially in the first half. That's what European nights are all about. Playing at a fast pace, blowing teams away with the atmosphere buzzing around the ground.

      The football at times was breathtakingly good and that third goal is one of the best I've ever seen at Anfield in my whole life. I do have a couple of small negatives (nothing that we all haven't spoken about before) and I'm certain our defensive issues and squad depth will bite us on the arse a few times this season but that was a great performance last night and the boys and Jürgen deserve huge credit. Hoffenheim are a very good side and we made them look like Everton.

      Coutinho must have been watching that last night just itching to get involved again. That's what you're missing out on sunshine so stop sulking and get a kit on.

      Mignolet.  Overall, he was pretty good. I do think he could have done a bit better for their first goal and kept that shot out, I also think for their second goal he could have collected the cross (must have been 8 yards out by the time it reached the guys head?) but maybe I'm being too harsh.

      Moreno. He played a lot better than usual and he did well supporting the attack last night but he made the same old type of mistakes. He was caught out of position a couple of times (I'll have to check the replays but I remember thinking he was all over the place for their first goal?) and he dived into a couple of tackles as usual and let the attacking player skip past him. I do think he has improved somewhat but he isn't the answer to our LB problems.

      Lovren. Wasn't happy seeing him on the team sheet but he did well for most parts. Again, some mistakes though and it was him who lost possession for their first goal if I remember rightly.

      Matip. Was very impressed with Joel against Palace and same again last night. Just imagine VVD alongside him. They'd be the best pairing in the league by far.

      TAA. This boy is special. Full of energy, full of life, really does have that scouse spirit. Very impressive going forward and he has probably made that right back position his own now which is very impressive for a boy of 18yrs old and taking it from an established England international. Due to age and inexperience he will make mistakes and he did get caught out once or twice last night and lost track of his man but he is only going to improve the more he plays.

      Henderson. God this lad frustrates the life out of me. I don't want to be too negative and put a dark cloud over what was a great team performance but I'm sorry I wasn't impressed with our skipper yet again. I thought his performance while we were in possession was poor but as usual he did well when they had the ball and covered ground for us. But even our fourth goal annoyed me and its bizarre saying that! Firstly, he sh*t out of the tackle and he was very lucky their centre half sh*t out even more than what he did. Secondly, name me a proper leader who passes in a one on one situation with the goalie, in a European cup qualifier, when you have the golden chance to take responsibility and send your team through infront of the kop? It was proper shithouse behaviour in my opinion.  Yes it came off, and passing to firmino proved to be the right decision, but imagine if it went horribly wrong? No sorry, if that was gerrard, suarez or even carra then they are putting their boot through that and sending us through. Proper men, proper leaders.

      Wijanldum. Much, much better than what we've seen of him so far this season. Much more involved and that pass to Mane for our third goal was inch perfect. He was unlucky not to score when he hit the post but luckily salah was there to tap it in. Got into the box a lot more, put himself about, won 50-50s, battled throughout. Much better Gini and you have to perform like this every single week and not go missing. We've all seen you can do it.

      Can. Great to see him getting forward more too and scoring 2 goals. In general he played well too. A very good performance from Emre.

      Mane. My motm. Hoffenheim couldn't cope with him (who can?). Mane has over taken coutinho now in being our best player, he is world class. He is involved in literally every one of our attacks. He looks like hes going to score in every game he plays for me and that is a sign of a top, top player. its probably been mentioned already, but I absolutely loved it when the hoffenheim fans were giving him stick and he reacted by clapping to the Liverpool fans then raising his arms up and down for us to make more noise. The ground responded and there was a real buzz followed by oooo MANE MANE der der der der der der. It was class.

      Firmino. He was amazing. A big part of our play going forward, showing his intelligence and quality on the ball but what impresses me is how hard he works for the team too and how much he battles. Firmino is a winner. He gave a top performance and he was another player Hoffenheim couldn't handle.

      Salah. Still a little rusty with his final ball or shot but this lad will be a great signing/player for us. He brings much more balance to our attack and is a constant threat with his pace. He really does have that knack of being in the right place at the right time. Another decent performance from Mo and he certainly plays his part in the best attack in the world.


      Very good performance from the mighty reds and its exciting to think Coutinho and Lallana are yet to come in and be a part of this. Looking forward for the draw later today now...its f**king great being back where we belong isn't it?

      You have a week John Henry, go and sign a couple of players and give us that much needed push and lets win number 6.





       








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      Reply #530: Aug 24, 2017 01:12:02 pm
      wonderful first 30 mins. just shows how exciting we can be going forward.  Play like that every week and it does not matter how many we concede cos we will score more.

      YNWA :kop5cf8koxp6: :aaliverpoolwz0: :aaliverpool2xt1:
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      Reply #531: Aug 24, 2017 01:16:45 pm
      Absolutely loved this game, having just watched it again this morning.  Well done lads, and the coaching staff, superb effort from the fans too. 

      I gave Gini the man of the match.  I know there are more obvious candidates, and just as deserving. 
      I always say this but its amazing when you read the live match thread how much stick our mids get.  Probably shredded nerves and fans on the edges of their sofas play a part in it, but I thought Hendo, Can and in particular, Gini were absolutely superb.  Having seen it again, and looked out for them in particular, I'm even more impressed. 

      Lots of people gave a lot of criticism for Dejan, and Mo's performances, and neither had a great game.  Dejan will get singled out for their first goal but it was actually a lack of midfield cover, Matip seeing this and rushing out of position, missing a tackle and then being slow to meet Dejan's quick pass to him that led to it, and to Bertie moving inside to cover and freeing Uth.  Dejan's mistake is just the more obvious one.

      Mo had an odd night, in spite of scoring off Gini's rebound.  I thought he looked pretty fed up at times.  Despite often losing the ball or running into dead-ends, he was a vital threat to their ragged defence and a useful out ball all night.  When he lost the ball, it was usually in a position where he had no options near him.  I'll let him off the hook. 

      My last word for Simon.  Some vital saves and interceptions, and much better command of his box.  He does have a few shortcomings, we know, but he kept us in the first leg and gave a good account of himself last night, bar the dropped high ball, in my opinion.  Can't fault him for the goals.

      Bring on Barca.  Let's show them who they're dealing with (or rather NOT dealing with).
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      Reply #532: Aug 24, 2017 01:19:47 pm
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      Reply #533: Aug 24, 2017 01:21:29 pm
      Yes, but look at the ground covered by Bobby through the whole sequence. He comes back into his own half to receive the pass from Moreno, plays it back to Gini and he's turning near midfield (still in his own half) when Gini plays the great pass for Sadio. But then Bobby makes a 55-yard lung-bursting run into the space ahead and to the left of Sadio, who sees the run and plays it perfectly. Bobby then caps the whole thing with a perfect chipped pass to Can for the finish.

      There's a lot of forwards who may get more headlines, but who would never have shown for the ball, made the smart pass back, made the run downfield (and quickly) or made the final pass. Perfect player for this system and as someone recently said on here, he basically is the system. Brilliance.

      That was me! :) :) :)
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      Reply #534: Aug 24, 2017 01:27:00 pm

      Indeed it was, and it remains spot on.

      Funny how some can't see it and keep insisting we need a "real" striker, or "fox in the box" type.
      If we played all the time with a central striker (like Sturridge) we would lose so many potent threats.

      Firmino = the glue that binds us together.
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      Reply #535: Aug 24, 2017 01:34:18 pm
      How good was Emre Can's second goal?! Must be the best team goal I've seen in a stadium. Simply beautiful, lethal counter attack. A very enjoyable night at Anfield!
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      Reply #536: Aug 24, 2017 02:15:37 pm
      Absolutely loved this game, having just watched it again this morning.  Well done lads, and the coaching staff, superb effort from the fans too. 

      I gave Gini the man of the match.  I know there are more obvious candidates, and just as deserving. 
      I always say this but its amazing when you read the live match thread how much stick our mids get.  Probably shredded nerves and fans on the edges of their sofas play a part in it, but I thought Hendo, Can and in particular, Gini were absolutely superb.  Having seen it again, and looked out for them in particular, I'm even more impressed. 

      Lots of people gave a lot of criticism for Dejan, and Mo's performances, and neither had a great game.  Dejan will get singled out for their first goal but it was actually a lack of midfield cover, Matip seeing this and rushing out of position, missing a tackle and then being slow to meet Dejan's quick pass to him that led to it, and to Bertie moving inside to cover and freeing Uth.  Dejan's mistake is just the more obvious one.

      Mo had an odd night, in spite of scoring off Gini's rebound.  I thought he looked pretty fed up at times.  Despite often losing the ball or running into dead-ends, he was a vital threat to their ragged defence and a useful out ball all night.  When he lost the ball, it was usually in a position where he had no options near him.  I'll let him off the hook. 

      My last word for Simon.  Some vital saves and interceptions, and much better command of his box.  He does have a few shortcomings, we know, but he kept us in the first leg and gave a good account of himself last night, bar the dropped high ball, in my opinion.  Can't fault him for the goals.

      Bring on Barca.  Let's show them who they're dealing with (or rather NOT dealing with).


      Gini man of the match, seriously?? he was about the only poor player we had last night, constantly got caught on the ball, misplaced passes. Compared to Mane he was fairly terrible, and you say you've watched the match twice, wow!!
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      Reply #537: Aug 24, 2017 02:32:05 pm
      Gini man of the match, seriously?? he was about the only poor player we had last night, constantly got caught on the ball, misplaced passes. Compared to Mane he was fairly terrible, and you say you've watched the match twice, wow!!

      He was quality.

      If it wasn't for Mane he'd have been my MotM to.
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      Reply #538: Aug 24, 2017 02:34:05 pm
      He was quality.

      If it wasn't for Mane he'd have been my MotM to.

      So was there someone else in midfield who kept losing the ball then, must have been 4-5 times at least, perhaps I'm being harsh on gini, but I thought he had a poor game.
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      Reply #539: Aug 24, 2017 02:58:52 pm

      Look I'm over the moon at the display yesterday and delighted with the result, no one was really terrible but I did think Lovren and Gini were the only 2 average'ish players and there was someone who kept losing the ball in midfield on quite a few occasions. Now I could mistaken thinking it was always Gini but if it wasn't him then I'm baffled who else it could have been.
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      Reply #540: Aug 24, 2017 03:06:00 pm
      So was there someone else in midfield who kept losing the ball then, must have been 4-5 times at least, perhaps I'm being harsh on gini, but I thought he had a poor game.

      Look back at the times when he lost the ball. It was his own team putting him in situations where he was under immediate pressure. Most of the time it was teammates (Lovren twice I think, Henderson too) blasting it into his feet, with him facing our own goal, wanting to get rid of it while Wijnaldum was surrounded by three Hoffenheim players who immediately started pressing him. I think he only lost it twice because of his own doing (could've been slightly more).

      I'm not saying he would've been my MOTM, but it was a much improved performance by him compared to the previous three and it was much more the Wijnaldum we were used to seeing in some of his best performance in the big games last season. He linked up play well and most importantly, he made his trademark runs into the box again. That's what I was missing from his last few games.
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      Reply #541: Aug 24, 2017 03:11:33 pm
      Look back at the times when he lost the ball. It was his own team putting him in situations where he was under immediate pressure. Most of the time it was teammates (Lovren twice I think, Hendersoon too) blasting it into his feet, with him facing our own goal, wanting to get rid of it while Wijnaldum was surrounded by three Hoffenheim players who immediately started pressing him. I think he only lost it twice because of his own doing (could've been slightly more).

      I'm not saying he would've been my MOTM, but it was a much improved performance by him compared by the previous three and it was much more the Wijnaldum we were used to seeing in some of his best performance in the big games last season. He linked up play well and most importantly, he made his trademark runs into the box again. That's what I was missing from his last few games.

      ok fair enough, anyway it was a fantastic team performance and a great game of football
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      Reply #542: Aug 24, 2017 03:15:54 pm
      Look back at the times when he lost the ball. It was his own team putting him in situations where he was under immediate pressure. Most of the time it was teammates (Lovren twice I think, Hendersoon too) blasting it into his feet, with him facing our own goal, wanting to get rid of it while Wijnaldum was surrounded by three Hoffenheim players who immediately started pressing him. I think he only lost it twice because of his own doing (could've been slightly more).

      I'm not saying he would've been my MOTM, but it was a much improved performance by him compared by the previous three and it was much more the Wijnaldum we were used to seeing in some of his best performance in the big games last season. He linked up play well and most importantly, he made his trademark runs into the box again. That's what I was missing from his last few games.

      Definitely a much improved performance from Gini, this is the sort of game where he excels with space to run into.

      It's when we face the low block teams where he needs to back his ability.
      There again if he had Coutinho or Lallana next to him it would take the pressure of him to be the creative link in midfield.

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      Reply #543: Aug 24, 2017 04:18:23 pm
      Seeing quite a few negative posts regarding Gini on yesterdays performance, I find it baffling if I'm honest the lad took the fight to Hoffenheim and never let up. Whenever he lost the ball it was generally after the 3rd Hoffenheim player finally managed to crowd him out.

      I'd also like to point out the difference in attitude towards our 2 starting full backs on the night from the crowd within Anfield. Both were excellent going forward, both made errors TAA twice in the first half, and Moreno once in the 2nd barring this both did OK defensively. However TAA got a standing ovation from the crowd when he was subbed for Gomez, Moreno got slated for his mishap and was immediately jeered and sniggered at. Lets get behind the lads FFS, if your going to vilify a player for 1 mishap when he's played a cracking game of football the lad must be bricking it to even step on to the turf in a red shirt!

      TAA is a proper talent, he's naïve defensively and needs time and experience to become a regular first teamer imo but he's got a management team that believe in him and he'll only improve and could well go on to become one of the very best full backs we've had (plus he's already outscoring my personal fav rb Rob Jones!!! :f_tongueincheek:). Moreno lets get behind the lad, he's improved no end imo since last year when the manager pulled him out of the limelight, you can see the coaching staff have work with him and for me it's paying off. He's still young and I believe if he continues to improve he'll be a big asset especially against the bus parkers that come to Anfield.

      Mane btw is a beast of a player, loved it when he was arm gesturing to the crowd when the away fans were giving him a bit. My MOTM for what it's worth but all in all a truly excellent performance from the lads. Love it when we start games so bright and quick more of the same please. YNWA
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      Reply #544: Aug 24, 2017 04:54:41 pm
      Now that I've changed my boxers for the 19th time after the excitement of that game, I can comment calmly.

      F***ING EH!

      So good to have the glittering European nights back. Hoffenheim are no Real but they're not a bad team, that display was awesome. Proud to be a Red as always.

      Ps; tiny small print...please please please get VDV or someone equivalent, let's not undermine a whole campaign of PL and CL because of our inability to close a deal on a glaringly obvious shortfall.
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      Reply #545: Aug 24, 2017 05:06:54 pm
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      Reply #546: Aug 24, 2017 05:45:13 pm
      Bit late but sensational performance last night. Reminded me of that 13-14 season. Would have been easy to sit back and see what happens but we took the bull by the horns and stomped all over them - get in!
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      Reply #547: Aug 24, 2017 06:40:00 pm
      Brilliant result last night, so happy for the lads. Could have been 10, i didn't expect them to keep that pace up all night.

      Well, on we roll, we just need to strengthen the squad now for what is going to be a gruelling campaign.

      Come on the Redmen!  :kop5cf8koxp6:
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      Reply #548: Aug 24, 2017 08:44:12 pm
      I've been in Cornwall on a site with no signal whatsoever ever 😳
      Have to travel to get a connection. Managed to se highlights and thought we played terrific but the old defensive sh*te called in again I see.
      Emphatic win in the end so well done all round. Gave bob motm, thought he was excellent.
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      Reply #549: Aug 25, 2017 01:54:49 am
      A very good overall performance. Our attack is lethal.  Very fast movement of the ball forward. No dallying, that's what I like most. Mane twisting to the left left and right  made a big difference. Defenders do not know which direction he will move. Everyone played their part well. Firminho's crosses are world class.  If we had a pure DM, it'll be more more devastating. I thought Matip was poor. He tried to play the role of DM but never got those early tackles in.
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